On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 01:42:13 GMT, "Frank Dresser"
wrote:


"Tracy" wrote in message
.. .

I disagree...Ask most people what they think about it and I think that
they would see it as very perverted.

Tracy

There are many anti-internet porn groups such as Morality in Media. How
many similiar anti-transexual groups are there?

Have the anti-transsexual groups ever testified before Congress?

Frank Dresser

Those questions I cannot answer, but I would think that if a person
took a street survey they would find that most people would be against
it. I would venture to say that a good 95 percent would not agree with
it. Just because people don't speak out against it does not mean that
they support it.

Porn is just so much larger that it attracts attention to a very large
degree. Look at the spam that the average person gets. Most of it is
porn related. I filter my kids computers. I don't agree with porn
either.

Tracy

"Tracy" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 01:42:13 GMT, "Frank Dresser"
wrote:


There are many anti-internet porn groups such as Morality in Media.
How
many similiar anti-transexual groups are there?

Have the anti-transsexual groups ever testified before Congress?

Frank Dresser

Those questions I cannot answer, but I would think that if a person
took a street survey they would find that most people would be against
it. I would venture to say that a good 95 percent would not agree with
it. Just because people don't speak out against it does not mean that
they support it.


Hardly anybody speaks out against it. Hardly anybody even thinks about
it. It's not much of an issue for most people.



Porn is just so much larger that it attracts attention to a very large
degree. Look at the spam that the average person gets. Most of it is
porn related. I filter my kids computers. I don't agree with porn
either.

Tracy

Let's imagine some other person asked you for some good moral parenting
tips. I imagine you'd emphisize good loving discipline, good study
habits, restrict internet access, have some fun, go to church, etc.

I really can't imagine the first thing you'd emphisize would "Make sure
the kids don't become transvestites!".

Frank Dresser

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 02:06:10 GMT, "Frank Dresser"
wrote:


"Tracy" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 01:42:13 GMT, "Frank Dresser"
wrote:


There are many anti-internet porn groups such as Morality in Media.
How
many similiar anti-transexual groups are there?

Have the anti-transsexual groups ever testified before Congress?

Frank Dresser

Those questions I cannot answer, but I would think that if a person
took a street survey they would find that most people would be against
it. I would venture to say that a good 95 percent would not agree with
it. Just because people don't speak out against it does not mean that
they support it.


Hardly anybody speaks out against it. Hardly anybody even thinks about
it. It's not much of an issue for most people.



Porn is just so much larger that it attracts attention to a very large
degree. Look at the spam that the average person gets. Most of it is
porn related. I filter my kids computers. I don't agree with porn
either.

Tracy

Let's imagine some other person asked you for some good moral parenting
tips. I imagine you'd emphisize good loving discipline, good study
habits, restrict internet access, have some fun, go to church, etc.

I really can't imagine the first thing you'd emphisize would "Make sure
the kids don't become transvestites!".

Frank Dresser

Your right! Just because it lacks popularity within the framework of
moral does not mean that people agree with it or even come close to
agreeing. Like I said, porn is everywhere, people see it all the time.
Probably 1 in 500000 people are transsexuals. It's not on people
minds. Does that make it any less immoral? Most people would probably
agree that they think more about porn, gays or lesbians as issues but
if the subject where brought up I would gamble that they would agree
that it is perverted and immoral. You don't hear about pedophilia as
much either but is it any less immoral that porn?

Tracy

"Tracy" wrote in message
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Your right! Just because it lacks popularity within the framework of
moral does not mean that people agree with it or even come close to
agreeing. Like I said, porn is everywhere, people see it all the time.
Probably 1 in 500000 people are transsexuals. It's not on people
minds. Does that make it any less immoral? Most people would probably
agree that they think more about porn, gays or lesbians as issues but
if the subject where brought up I would gamble that they would agree
that it is perverted and immoral. You don't hear about pedophilia as
much either but is it any less immoral that porn?

Tracy

Among the stories on today's news, there was one about a teacher who was
arrested for molesting a young girl. A couple of weeks ago, some guy
was arrested for trying to seduce a 14 year old girl in a chatroom
relationship. The pedophile priest scandal hasn't gone away, even if
some of the accusations are 10 or 20 years old. The pedophelia issue
gets more attention than the internet porn issue.

The penalities are certainly more severe. Anyway, links internet porn
are a common occourance on newsgroups, even this one.

But as far as the morality goes, clearly pedophelia is the most immoral.
Internet porn can be seen as a threat to the public morals, especially
the morals of children. Transvestism threatens no one.

Frank Dresser

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 04:31:39 GMT, "Frank Dresser"
wrote:


"Tracy" wrote in message
.. .

Your right! Just because it lacks popularity within the framework of
moral does not mean that people agree with it or even come close to
agreeing. Like I said, porn is everywhere, people see it all the time.
Probably 1 in 500000 people are transsexuals. It's not on people
minds. Does that make it any less immoral? Most people would probably
agree that they think more about porn, gays or lesbians as issues but
if the subject where brought up I would gamble that they would agree
that it is perverted and immoral. You don't hear about pedophilia as
much either but is it any less immoral that porn?

Tracy

Among the stories on today's news, there was one about a teacher who was
arrested for molesting a young girl. A couple of weeks ago, some guy
was arrested for trying to seduce a 14 year old girl in a chatroom
relationship. The pedophile priest scandal hasn't gone away, even if
some of the accusations are 10 or 20 years old. The pedophelia issue
gets more attention than the internet porn issue.

The penalities are certainly more severe. Anyway, links internet porn
are a common occourance on newsgroups, even this one.

But as far as the morality goes, clearly pedophelia is the most immoral.
Internet porn can be seen as a threat to the public morals, especially
the morals of children. Transvestism threatens no one.

Frank Dresser


I never said it threatened anyone. I'm saying it's immoral and most
people would say that it is perverted.

That said, I wouldn't want one teaching one of my childrens classes
and I would do everything in my power to stop it!

Tracy

"Tracy" wrote in message
...

I never said it threatened anyone. I'm saying it's immoral and most
people would say that it is perverted.

That said, I wouldn't want one teaching one of my childrens classes
and I would do everything in my power to stop it!

Tracy

OK, so you haven't claimed transvestisism isn't a physical threat to
anyone. You haven't claimed it's a moral threat to anyone. You haven't
claimed it's a threat to anyone.

So why make a big deal about it?

Frank Dresser

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:34:53 GMT, "Frank Dresser"
wrote:


"Tracy" wrote in message
.. .

I never said it threatened anyone. I'm saying it's immoral and most
people would say that it is perverted.

That said, I wouldn't want one teaching one of my childrens classes
and I would do everything in my power to stop it!

Tracy

OK, so you haven't claimed transvestisism isn't a physical threat to
anyone. You haven't claimed it's a moral threat to anyone. You haven't
claimed it's a threat to anyone.

So why make a big deal about it?

Frank Dresser

Never tried to claim it was a moral threat to anyone. Never tried to
claim it was a physical threat to anyone. What I'm saying is: If you
question the morals of others, then plan on having your own morals
questioned. She had a sex change and became a lesbian. Her morals are
for ****! End of story!

Are you having a problem understanding what I'm trying to tell you?
All you have been doing is trying to twist around what I'm saying to
make it sound like it is no big deal.

It is sick perversion. PERIOD!

Tracy

Tracy wrote:

I never said it threatened anyone. I'm saying it's immoral and most
people would say that it is perverted.

That said, I wouldn't want one teaching one of my childrens classes
and I would do everything in my power to stop it!

If it's not a threat to anyone, it can't be a threat to your children.
You can't have it both ways. What do you think would happen to your
children if they had a transsexual teacher?


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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:09:36 -0500, longwave
wrote:

Tracy wrote:

I never said it threatened anyone. I'm saying it's immoral and most
people would say that it is perverted.

That said, I wouldn't want one teaching one of my childrens classes
and I would do everything in my power to stop it!

If it's not a threat to anyone, it can't be a threat to your children.
You can't have it both ways. What do you think would happen to your
children if they had a transsexual teacher?

Nothing, because they won't have one. Gays and lesbians try to take
advantage of young and impressionable minds.


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Frank has continually tried to show that they are not a threat. I
have really never said that they were or weren't! My point is this:
She had a sex change to become a lesbian. If you are going to have a
sex change to become a woman, then why not find yourself a man. Why go
out an get a female partner? This does not help her situation.
Transgenders want to be welcome in society, but to have the operation
and become a lasbian? That is nothing more than common perversion.

This conversation was to see if we disagree. I do.

Tracy