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Chandler7600 February 11th 04 08:58 PM

(OT ) Sen. John
 
Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts repeats his winning mantra in state after
state:
"I am running for president to create jobs in America
and to keep jobs in America."

- Anyone know someone who's job was " Offshored " ??



N8KDV February 11th 04 09:25 PM



Chandler7600 wrote:

Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts repeats his winning mantra in state after
state:
"I am running for president to create jobs in America
and to keep jobs in America."

- Anyone know someone who's job was " Offshored " ??


Yes, they "Offshored" the LifeSavers plant here to Canada. Sugar and cardboard
were less expensive. Not sure about labor.

Guess that counts.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B



Michael Bryant February 11th 04 09:40 PM

Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts repeats his winning mantra in state after
state:
"I am running for president to create jobs in America
and to keep jobs in America."

- Anyone know someone who's job was " Offshored " ??


Yeah, AOL outsourced their tech support jobs to India.

Did you see the Bush aide in the news today bragging that increased outsourcing
is just another sign that Bush is taking the economy in the right direction?

No wonder Bush is falling like a rock in the polls!



Diverd4777 February 11th 04 09:59 PM

In article ,
ojunk (Michael Bryant) writes:

Subject: (OT ) Sen. John
From:
ojunk (Michael Bryant)
Date: 11 Feb 2004 21:40:07 GMT

Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts repeats his winning mantra in state after
state:
"I am running for president to create jobs in America
and to keep jobs in America."

- Anyone know someone who's job was " Offshored " ??


Yeah, AOL outsourced their tech support jobs to India.

Did you see the Bush aide in the news today bragging that increased
outsourcing
is just another sign that Bush is taking the economy in the right direction?

No wonder Bush is falling like a rock in the polls!

Knew a guy working at Another ISP
he'd come in & find some guy in India had done his work overnight
Then they outsourced the whole Cust support & Some C++ Development
to India

Slick scheme:
They send your job Overseas, pay someone 1/8 your salary
Pocket the difference...





RHF February 12th 04 03:16 AM

Chandler,

Hell My Job was Elimated by John ("F"ing) Kerry's Vote on BRAC-95
and Signed into Law by Bill Clinton.

Thank You John F Kerry - thank you, Thank You. THANK YOU ! :o)

fal... ~ RHF [ Retired-Healthy-and-Free ]
= = = Free At Last... Thank God - I Am Free At Last - Amen !
..
..
= = = (Chandler7600)
= = = wrote in message ...

Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts repeats his winning mantra
in state after state:

"I am running for president to create jobs in America
and to keep jobs in America."

- Anyone know someone who's job was " Offshored " ??

..

Burr February 12th 04 03:22 AM

I will not vote for Bush again, thank you.

I will "swing" my vote if need be.

Michael Bryant wrote:
s just another sign that Bush is taking the economy in the right direction?

No wonder Bush is falling like a rock in the polls!




LW February 12th 04 04:10 AM

wrote ...

- Anyone know someone who's job was " Offshored " ??


Tech support for Dell, IBM, HP, AOL; AP/AR call center for General
Electric Capital Corp., gone to India. (GE is employing speech
therapists to teach the Indian workers to speak English with an
"American" accent.)

Most consumer electronics to the Pacific Rim.

Lots of textiles to Bangladesh. (Including the 5,500 jobs that were
just lost in North Carolina the past few months when PilowTex closed
all their plants.)

Rumors going around that Wal-Mart is China's biggest trade partner. I
can't confirm it, but from what I see for sale in Wal-Mart lately, I
wouldn't be surprised.

LW February 12th 04 04:15 AM

(Michael Bryant) wrote ...

Did you see the Bush aide in the news today bragging that increased
outsourcing is just another sign that Bush is taking the economy in
the right direction?


Didn't see it, Professor. But any more I reluctantly admit I believe
it.

If I don't have a job by election day, my beloved Republican party can
kiss my vote good-bye. And if they think I'm the only one making that
promise, they're in for a rude awakening.

Mark S. Holden February 12th 04 06:30 AM

LW wrote:

(Michael Bryant) wrote ...


Did you see the Bush aide in the news today bragging that increased
outsourcing is just another sign that Bush is taking the economy in
the right direction?



Didn't see it, Professor. But any more I reluctantly admit I believe
it.

If I don't have a job by election day, my beloved Republican party can
kiss my vote good-bye. And if they think I'm the only one making that
promise, they're in for a rude awakening.


Lots of people complain about jobs going overseas, but look how many
people in this thread are still using AOL even though they know AOL has
moved customer service to India.

You can get dial up from a variety of ISP's with call centers in the
USA, for under $10. My dad pays under $7 a month for unlimited access.

If you want the US economy to improve, you can help by adjusting your
purchases to favor goods and services from the USA.

How many of us can say most of our radios were made in the USA?



















Brenda Ann February 12th 04 07:09 AM


"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
...
LW wrote:

(Michael Bryant) wrote ...


Did you see the Bush aide in the news today bragging that increased
outsourcing is just another sign that Bush is taking the economy in
the right direction?



Didn't see it, Professor. But any more I reluctantly admit I believe
it.

If I don't have a job by election day, my beloved Republican party can
kiss my vote good-bye. And if they think I'm the only one making that
promise, they're in for a rude awakening.


Lots of people complain about jobs going overseas, but look how many
people in this thread are still using AOL even though they know AOL has
moved customer service to India.

You can get dial up from a variety of ISP's with call centers in the
USA, for under $10. My dad pays under $7 a month for unlimited access.

If you want the US economy to improve, you can help by adjusting your
purchases to favor goods and services from the USA.

How many of us can say most of our radios were made in the USA?


Who makes radios in the USA? Don't think anyone has in years..

As for ISP's, no matter which one you use, you're still likely paying
(indirectly) a backbone provider that uses mostly outsourced workers (if not
wholly owned outside the US).

If you want to support US workers anymore, you have to buy a Japanese or
Korean car because the ones sold in the states are mostly made there..




Mark S. Holden February 12th 04 12:39 PM

Brenda Ann wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
...
snip

Lots of people complain about jobs going overseas, but look how many
people in this thread are still using AOL even though they know AOL has
moved customer service to India.

You can get dial up from a variety of ISP's with call centers in the
USA, for under $10. My dad pays under $7 a month for unlimited access.

If you want the US economy to improve, you can help by adjusting your
purchases to favor goods and services from the USA.

How many of us can say most of our radios were made in the USA?



Who makes radios in the USA? Don't think anyone has in years..

snip



Radios made in the USA include:

Palstar, Ten-tec, Drake, and Harris.



Mark S. Holden February 12th 04 03:29 PM

N8KDV wrote:

Chandler7600 wrote:

Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts repeats his winning mantra in state after
state:
"I am running for president to create jobs in America
and to keep jobs in America."

- Anyone know someone who's job was " Offshored " ??


Yes, they "Offshored" the LifeSavers plant here to Canada. Sugar and cardboard
were less expensive. Not sure about labor.

Guess that counts.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B


George Will's column for today mentions the Lifesavers plant moving to Canada. They're saving $10,000,000 a year on sugar.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/s_179066.html

N8KDV February 12th 04 06:11 PM



"Mark S. Holden" wrote:

N8KDV wrote:

Chandler7600 wrote:

Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts repeats his winning mantra in state after
state:
"I am running for president to create jobs in America
and to keep jobs in America."

- Anyone know someone who's job was " Offshored " ??


Yes, they "Offshored" the LifeSavers plant here to Canada. Sugar and cardboard
were less expensive. Not sure about labor.

Guess that counts.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B


George Will's column for today mentions the Lifesavers plant moving to Canada. They're saving $10,000,000 a year on sugar.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/s_179066.html


Thanks for that link Mark.

Steve
Holland, MI


LW February 12th 04 07:57 PM

Speaking of John Kerry the war hero ..

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...3002-8027r.htm

Llgpt February 12th 04 08:14 PM

Subject: (OT ) Sen. John
From: (LW)
Date: 2/12/2004 1:57 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Speaking of John Kerry the war hero ..

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...3002-8027r.htm







Bill Clinton was criticized in 1992, when it was reported that he used
political pressure to avoid the Vietnam-era draft after he ignored a written
agreement to accept a slot in the ROTC at the University of Arkansas. He was
further cited for his involvement in the antiwar movement as a student at
Oxford University in England, including his work in coordinating the largest
antiwar, anti-U.S. demonstration on foreign soil.


Kinda like Duhbya did in getting an air guard assignment because his father
wrote a letter?

Politics as usual.....................


My reaction is that the American people have had it with the big lie," she told
CNN Wednesday. "Any attempts to link Kerry to me and make him look bad with
that connection is completely false. We were at a rally for veterans at the
same time. I spoke, Donald Sutherland spoke, John Kerry spoke at the end. I
don't even think we shook hands.

"I'm tired of the government lying. I'm tired of people desperately pulling out
anything that they can do to hurt another candidate, and I think that the
American people feel that way, too," she said. "It's a bunch of hogwash."

She also said that she does not recall meeting Kerry during the antiwar
movement, although she said she did meet him years later after he became a
senator and she was married to Ted Turner, who founded CNN but no longer has
any management role with the network.

Kerry aides said he did not support Fonda's trip to Vietnam, an action for
which many veterans still refuse to forgive her more than 30 years later.

On the campaign trail, Kerry frequently talks about both his war record and his
antiwar activities after coming home, and he has said he is proud of both.

But his so-called association with Fonda has begun to draw fire from
conservatives and veterans.

"It bothered us, anyone who associated themselves with Jane Fonda, with (her
husband)Tom Hayden, with the antiwar movement," said Rep. Randy "Duke"
Cunningham, R-California, a former Navy pilot shot down in 1972.

"We just wanted to do our job, complete our mission for our country that sent
us and come back alive. And having people like Sen. Kerry protest that was kind
of a slap in the face to us."

But the president of the Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation, Bobby Muller,
said Kerry has strong support among Vietnam vets.

"We have been contacted by veterans across the country [asking], 'How do I
connect to the Kerry campaign?'" he said. "I have not seen in the 26 years that
I've been in Washington, ever, the kind of dynamic and energizing of a Vietnam
veteran community in this country as I am right now."

It seems as though we have a mexican standoff on who did what...............

Les

Mark S. Holden February 12th 04 09:23 PM

LW wrote:

Speaking of John Kerry the war hero ..

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...3002-8027r.htm


If you want John Kerry news, try:

http://www.drudgereport.com/mattjk1.htm

RHF February 13th 04 10:03 AM

= = = "Stinger"
= = = wrote in message ...
- - - S N I P - - -

Will he instead call for a "draft Hillary" movement to save the day?

- - - S N I P - - -
-- Stinger

- - - S N I P - - -

FO&A,

Regaurdless of who the final Democrat Pary Presidential Candidate
is in 2004. Hillary will be the "Vice" Presidential Candiadte on
the united party ticket. This will preposition her for a run in 2008.

jm2cw ~ RHF

..

..

me February 13th 04 12:21 PM

On 11 Feb 2004 20:58:46 GMT, (Chandler7600)
wrote:

Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts repeats his winning mantra in state after
state:


Good take this **** to a political group asshole.



me February 13th 04 12:30 PM

On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:21:33 -0600, "Stinger"
wrote:

Republican tactics?


Hey Stinger asshole, why not take this to a political group where you
can talk all you want about it without ****ing up this group you
inconsiderate asshole.

Michael Bryant February 13th 04 05:25 PM

From: me

On 11 Feb 2004 20:58:46 GMT,
(Chandler7600)
wrote:

Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts repeats his winning mantra in state after
state:


Good take this **** to a political group asshole.


Gee, you're really a loser, aren't you? You want non-political posts? Either
learn to use your filter or try some of the better-moderated Yahoo groups.

We don't need no net nanny!



Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)

Michael Bryant February 13th 04 05:27 PM

From: me

Hey Stinger asshole, why not take this to a political group where you
can talk all you want about it without ****ing up this group you
inconsiderate asshole.


Big talk from an anonymous coward. Don't you think your own language is hurting
the group?

Please go away net-nanny!


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)

Rick KB1KIL February 13th 04 05:48 PM


"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts repeats his winning mantra in state

after
state:
"I am running for president to create jobs in America
and to keep jobs in America."

- Anyone know someone who's job was " Offshored " ??


Yeah, AOL outsourced their tech support jobs to India.

Did you see the Bush aide in the news today bragging that increased

outsourcing
is just another sign that Bush is taking the economy in the right

direction?

No wonder Bush is falling like a rock in the polls!


Dell Computer has outsourced most of it's tech support and online sales to
India. It's been that way for over 3 years now.

An article in Wired magazine explains how outsourcing to India is good for
the US. I however don't buy it.

--
73's
Rick

Drake R8 R8B
ICOM R75
Yaesu 7700
Hammarlund SP-600-JX-17

"If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done?"



CW February 13th 04 09:44 PM

Nobody in their right mind buys it.

"Rick KB1KIL" wrote in message
...



An article in Wired magazine explains how outsourcing to India is good

for
the US. I however don't buy it.




MnMikew February 13th 04 10:22 PM


"Chandler7600" wrote in message
...
Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts repeats his winning mantra in state after
state:
"I am running for president to create jobs in America
and to keep jobs in America."

- Anyone know someone who's job was " Offshored " ??

Yeah, mine in about 6 months.





MnMikew February 13th 04 10:23 PM


"LW" wrote in message
m...
(Michael Bryant) wrote ...

Did you see the Bush aide in the news today bragging that increased
outsourcing is just another sign that Bush is taking the economy in
the right direction?


Didn't see it, Professor. But any more I reluctantly admit I believe
it.

If I don't have a job by election day, my beloved Republican party can
kiss my vote good-bye. And if they think I'm the only one making that
promise, they're in for a rude awakening.


I'm with you LW.



Llgpt February 13th 04 10:27 PM

Subject: (OT ) Sen. John
From: "MnMikew"
Date: 2/13/2004 4:23 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"LW" wrote in message
om...
(Michael Bryant) wrote ...

Did you see the Bush aide in the news today bragging that increased
outsourcing is just another sign that Bush is taking the economy in
the right direction?


Didn't see it, Professor. But any more I reluctantly admit I believe
it.

If I don't have a job by election day, my beloved Republican party can
kiss my vote good-bye. And if they think I'm the only one making that
promise, they're in for a rude awakening.


I'm with you LW.



Duhbya is undoubtedly the dumbest sob to ever be a president.

Les


CW February 14th 04 01:40 AM

Has nothing to do with sitting behind a desk. The manufacturing industry is
going away fast. Manufacturing has been the economic backbone of this
country for fifty years. There is nothing to replace it with. The only ting
that really can't be outsourced are jobs were somebody has to be right
there. That leaves burger flippers and construction workers but the
government has an answer to that too. The alien import plan is meant to
replace what's left.

"Chandler7600" wrote in message
...
ext.
If you sit at a desk, your job can be offshored..
- Creepy..!






Stinger February 14th 04 02:03 AM

Nah...unlike you, I do know how to use a post filter!

Watch!

PLONK!

-- Stinger

"me" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:21:33 -0600, "Stinger"
wrote:

Republican tactics?


Hey Stinger asshole, why not take this to a political group where you
can talk all you want about it without ****ing up this group you
inconsiderate asshole.




Stinger February 14th 04 02:04 AM

At last, we agree, Michael.

;^)

-- Stinger
"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
From: me


On 11 Feb 2004 20:58:46 GMT,
(Chandler7600)
wrote:

Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts repeats his winning mantra in state

after
state:


Good take this **** to a political group asshole.


Gee, you're really a loser, aren't you? You want non-political posts?

Either
learn to use your filter or try some of the better-moderated Yahoo groups.

We don't need no net nanny!



Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)




Stinger February 14th 04 02:19 AM

Nobody that has used it likes it, either.

My son, a college student specializing in computer networking, makes some
pretty good extra money by troubleshooting and repairing computers.

A retired couple bought their first Dell the other day, and asked my son to
help them with their ADSL installation. They got the computer out of the
box, and it wouldn't power on.

So, not wanting to violate their warranty, he called "tech support" to tell
them what was up. After a 35-minute wait, he got a tech-support guy in
India with an accent so heavy that he had serious trouble understanding him.
Then, the guy was insisting on going through his "trouble-tree," even though
he was talking to someone with multiple certifications (including A+ and
MCSE).

Finally, the Indian tech support guy realized he was in over his head, and
let a supervisor (who was actually in the states) take over. With his
permission, my son opened the case, pulled off the CPU cowling, and found
what he had suspected all along -- the P4 processor had been jammed in --
bending several pins that didn't go into the processor mount on the
motherboard. No problem, Dell shipped another new unit (but you'd think
they'd check these things before they leave the factory, wouldn't you?).

Too many short-cuts, both in support and manufacturing!

-- Stinger

"CW" wrote in message
...
Nobody in their right mind buys it.

"Rick KB1KIL" wrote in message
...



An article in Wired magazine explains how outsourcing to India is good

for
the US. I however don't buy it.






me February 14th 04 06:15 AM

On 13 Feb 2004 17:27:33 GMT, ojunk (Michael Bryant)
wrote:

From: me


Hey Stinger asshole, why not take this to a political group where you
can talk all you want about it without ****ing up this group you
inconsiderate asshole.


Big talk from an anonymous coward. Don't you think your own language is hurting
the group?

Please go away net-nanny!


At least I don't have a homosexual affair with N8KDV

me February 14th 04 06:19 AM

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:19:39 -0600, "Stinger"
wrote:

With his
permission, my son opened the case, pulled off the CPU cowling, and found
what he had suspected all along -- the P4 processor had been jammed in --
bending several pins that didn't go into the processor mount on the
motherboard.


Oh bull****. Your son didn't suspect that. Look at this a guy who
claims his son can tell the symptoms of bent pins without opening the
case.

No problem, Dell shipped another new unit (but you'd think
they'd check these things before they leave the factory, wouldn't you?).


Why didn't your wiz of a son just straighten the pins? Sounds to me
like he bent them while taking the CPU out of the socket.


N8KDV February 14th 04 08:25 AM



me wrote:

On 13 Feb 2004 17:27:33 GMT, ojunk (Michael Bryant)
wrote:

From: me


Hey Stinger asshole, why not take this to a political group where you
can talk all you want about it without ****ing up this group you
inconsiderate asshole.


Big talk from an anonymous coward. Don't you think your own language is hurting
the group?

Please go away net-nanny!


At least I don't have a homosexual affair with N8KDV


Of course not! Just who are you having a homosexual affair with?

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



Stinger February 14th 04 01:07 PM

Oooh. Good one, Steve! That one's gonna leave a mark ;^)

Nice shot.

-- Stinger

"N8KDV" wrote in message
...


me wrote:

On 13 Feb 2004 17:27:33 GMT, ojunk (Michael Bryant)
wrote:

From: me


Hey Stinger asshole, why not take this to a political group where you
can talk all you want about it without ****ing up this group you
inconsiderate asshole.

Big talk from an anonymous coward. Don't you think your own language is

hurting
the group?

Please go away net-nanny!


At least I don't have a homosexual affair with N8KDV


Of course not! Just who are you having a homosexual affair with?

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm






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