Icom R75 vs Satellit 800 purchase choice?
 

Ok, I've got enought for either the R75 or the Sat800. They're
both about the same price. I'm not too concerned about portability
but looking for a great all around box for the money.

What do you listen to, Mostly
and what do you listen to
Occasionally ?
How important is the sound coming from the radio's speaker?
Can you hook up an external speaker or use headphones??

Are you interested in Strong, clear signals or more to the "Digging out
Pirates"
type of listener..


In article , DEE
writes:


Ok, I've got enought for either the R75 or the Sat800. They're
both about the same price. I'm not too concerned about portability
but looking for a great all around box for the money.

DEE wrote:

Ok, I've got enought for either the R75 or the Sat800. They're
both about the same price. I'm not too concerned about portability
but looking for a great all around box for the money.

Personally, in that price range, I'd go with a used Drake R8.

Of the two you mentioned, the Sat 800 is likely to be better than the R75 for program listening - but the large number of refurb sat 800's on the market leads me to feel they still have quality control issues. If you go for a Sat 800 - you're probably
better off with a refurb - it'll cost you less, and presumably someone has gone over it to fix flaws.

The R75 is likely to be better than the Sat 800 for utility use. The sync detector doesn't work very well. Other than the design flaws, they seem to be well made.

Otherwise the R75 is a good choice if you like to tinker. Several hobbyists have discovered inexpensive ways to fix the engineering goofs. Now if only Icom would decide to incorporate these fixes into future production...

DEE, you'll have to have cap mods done on the a.g.c, audio, and sync for your
R-75 to perform up to its' potential. If you're proficient with a soldering
iron, why not consider Ten-Tech's 1254 World Band Radio kit for $195? Passport
says it's "a fun weekend project, and the manufacturer's track record for
hand-holding means that when you're through, the radio should reall work"!

DEE wrote:

Ok, I've got enought for either the R75 or the Sat800. They're
both about the same price. I'm not too concerned about portability
but looking for a great all around box for the money.


Sound: If you listen mostly with headphones, either is great. If
you like to listen mostly with speakers, the "as-it-comes" sound of the
Grundig is great. The Icom's built-in speaker is of afterthought
quality, but any external speaker works well with it.

If you like listening to mainstream broadcast SW, you'd be perfectly
happy with the Grundig. If you like best-possible reception abilities
with a good antenna, (serious DX) the Icom comes out well ahead. If you
like to do a lot of CW/RTTY listeningk the Icom gets the nod, but if you
are a really SERIOUS CW/RTTY person, you'd need some additional filters
for the Icom for best performance.

Tony


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I have both, which I bought as novice, a couple of years ago (and
overzealously added BC 780 (scanner), and Sony 7800 GR (portable)...

I agree with Tony M's answer precisely...BUT, if I could only have one,
it would be the R-75. Each works great, but I believe it's due
to working until you get the antenna(e) right, which IMHO is
the trick to making this stuff work , )

Relax, have fun, enjoy and don't worry about the "right"
decision - either way you'll be okay. You simply can't get it "all" up
front 'cause there's so much to learn and it takes time to zero in on
what you like ('kinda like a boat - otherwise you'd hold out 'till you
could buy a yacht , )


BTW, I would be happy to sell any or all of the above, as I'm
ready to move up to a single specialized pro receiver to fit my
preferred listening style, e.g the ICOM 8500, or NRD 545, et al.
(plus, I only use each of the above for special interest; 'still have
boxes, manuals, etc. each is mint)!


In article ,
Tony Meloche wrote:

DEE wrote:

Ok, I've got enought for either the R75 or the Sat800. They're
both about the same price. I'm not too concerned about portability
but looking for a great all around box for the money.


Sound: If you listen mostly with headphones, either is great. If
you like to listen mostly with speakers, the "as-it-comes" sound of the
Grundig is great. The Icom's built-in speaker is of afterthought
quality, but any external speaker works well with it.

If you like listening to mainstream broadcast SW, you'd be perfectly
happy with the Grundig. If you like best-possible reception abilities
with a good antenna, (serious DX) the Icom comes out well ahead. If you
like to do a lot of CW/RTTY listeningk the Icom gets the nod, but if you
are a really SERIOUS CW/RTTY person, you'd need some additional filters
for the Icom for best performance.

Tony


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The R75 is a much better receiver than the SAT800. The R75 excels at digging
weak signals out of the mud.

I have both and I'm just not very impressed by the SAT800. With external
speakers or headphones, the R75 is just as good for regular program listening
and the R75 is lightyears ahead of the SAT800 in dealing with DX.

If you want decent program audio consider the far cheaper Grundig S350.


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)

No, it's not just as good for program listening. The sync detector
makes AM DX much more listenable on the S-800.

On 21 Feb 2004 16:27:07 GMT, ospam (Michael Bryant)
wrote:

The R75 is a much better receiver than the SAT800. The R75 excels at digging
weak signals out of the mud.

I have both and I'm just not very impressed by the SAT800. With external
speakers or headphones, the R75 is just as good for regular program listening
and the R75 is lightyears ahead of the SAT800 in dealing with DX.

If you want decent program audio consider the far cheaper Grundig S350.


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)

In article ,
ospam (Michael Bryant) wrote:

The R75 is a much better receiver than the SAT800. The R75 excels at digging
weak signals out of the mud.

I have both and I'm just not very impressed by the SAT800. With external
speakers or headphones, the R75 is just as good for regular program listening
and the R75 is lightyears ahead of the SAT800 in dealing with DX.

If you want decent program audio consider the far cheaper Grundig S350.

Bryant is entitled to his opinion but this is to strong an inditement
against the SAT800 and to praiseworth of the R75. The R75 excels at
generating more BS posts about its performance than anything else.

I would not recommed the R75 to anyone unless they intend to spend all
their listening time on SSB or narrower bandwidth transmissions. The R75
has an advantage over a radio like the SAT800 with narrow band
transmissions but not (lightyears) that much.

The R75 is not a good radio for the wider AM mode international
transmissions where the audio bandwith will be limited. The limited
bandwidth means it will just not sound as good as the SAT800. The sync
circuits don't work right in the radio and have to be modified to work
right. The sync circuit is an advantage for AM reception that you don't
have unless the radio is modified.

There are problems with the AGC in the R75 that cause reception problems
and this needs to be fixed also.

Without modifications the R75 is a good narrow band receiver and with
modifications it is an OK wide AM international broadcast receiver but
not nearly as good as a SAT800.

Bryant probably has not figured out how to use the selectable sideband
sync on his SAT800 yet.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

From: David

No, it's not just as good for program listening. The sync detector
makes AM DX much more listenable on the S-800.


The sync detector on the S800 also increases the noise floor. You are right
that the sync lock (combined with a much better speaker) on the S800 does make
listening to the very strongest stations much better, But if you're trying to
listen to a weaker-than-superpower station the combined effects of AC hum,
digital hash, and noise from the sync can be real disappointing.

I've operated the R75 and the SAT800 side-by-side for almost two years. I don't
have any problem listening to broadcast stations on the R75 in either SSB or
AM. If tuning AM, detune (up or down) about 1.2 kHz to fine the "sweet" spot in
AM narrow. Headphones or external speakers improve the audio even more.

I really think my Sony SW-77 is a better radio than the SAT800.

I know a lot of people think differently. I know that there are probably people
that will simply respond calling me a liar. They call me that no matter what I
say.

But I know what I like and I'm not thrilled about the SAT800. I might even put
a 7600GR with good external speakers above a SAT800.

Just my two cents.


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)

In article ,
ospam (Michael Bryant) wrote:

From: David

No, it's not just as good for program listening. The sync detector
makes AM DX much more listenable on the S-800.


The sync detector on the S800 also increases the noise floor. You are
right that the sync lock (combined with a much better speaker) on the
S800 does make listening to the very strongest stations much better,
But if you're trying to listen to a weaker-than-superpower station
the combined effects of AC hum, digital hash, and noise from the sync
can be real disappointing.

I've operated the R75 and the SAT800 side-by-side for almost two
years. I don't have any problem listening to broadcast stations on
the R75 in either SSB or AM. If tuning AM, detune (up or down) about
1.2 kHz to fine the "sweet" spot in AM narrow. Headphones or external
speakers improve the audio even more.

I really think my Sony SW-77 is a better radio than the SAT800.

I know a lot of people think differently. I know that there are
probably people that will simply respond calling me a liar. They call
me that no matter what I say.

Yes and it is your own doing. You continually post lies and how are we
to determine when you stop?

But I know what I like and I'm not thrilled about the SAT800. I might
even put a 7600GR with good external speakers above a SAT800.

Just my two cents.

You have been downgraded to one cent.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon wrote:

In article ,
ospam (Michael Bryant) wrote:

From: David

No, it's not just as good for program listening. The sync detector
makes AM DX much more listenable on the S-800.


The sync detector on the S800 also increases the noise floor. You are
right that the sync lock (combined with a much better speaker) on the
S800 does make listening to the very strongest stations much better,
But if you're trying to listen to a weaker-than-superpower station
the combined effects of AC hum, digital hash, and noise from the sync
can be real disappointing.

I've operated the R75 and the SAT800 side-by-side for almost two
years. I don't have any problem listening to broadcast stations on
the R75 in either SSB or AM. If tuning AM, detune (up or down) about
1.2 kHz to fine the "sweet" spot in AM narrow. Headphones or external
speakers improve the audio even more.

I really think my Sony SW-77 is a better radio than the SAT800.

I know a lot of people think differently. I know that there are
probably people that will simply respond calling me a liar. They call
me that no matter what I say.

Yeah, no matter what you say!



Yes and it is your own doing. You continually post lies and how are we
to determine when you stop?

But I know what I like and I'm not thrilled about the SAT800. I might
even put a 7600GR with good external speakers above a SAT800.

Just my two cents.

You have been downgraded to one cent.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Michael Bryant wrote:
From: David


No, it's not just as good for program listening. The sync detector
makes AM DX much more listenable on the S-800.



The sync detector on the S800 also increases the noise floor. You are right
that the sync lock (combined with a much better speaker) on the S800 does make
listening to the very strongest stations much better, But if you're trying to
listen to a weaker-than-superpower station the combined effects of AC hum,
digital hash, and noise from the sync can be real disappointing.

I've operated the R75 and the SAT800 side-by-side for almost two years. I don't
have any problem listening to broadcast stations on the R75 in either SSB or
AM. If tuning AM, detune (up or down) about 1.2 kHz to fine the "sweet" spot in
AM narrow. Headphones or external speakers improve the audio even more.

I really think my Sony SW-77 is a better radio than the SAT800.

I know a lot of people think differently. I know that there are probably people
that will simply respond calling me a liar. They call me that no matter what I
say.

But I know what I like and I'm not thrilled about the SAT800. I might even put
a 7600GR with good external speakers above a SAT800.

Just my two cents.


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)

Have you ever had a chance to compare your Sat 800 head to head with
another one?

I'm wondering if yours is performing up to spec.

You wouldn't be the first person to get one that wasn't working quite right.

From: N8KDV, aka, Steve "master Centurion" Lare

Telamon wrote:


Yes and it is your own doing. You continually post lies and how are we
to determine when you stop?

Ah, another Telamon re-post.

Please notice that this person's motives can be discrened by his total
abandonment of any SW-related discussion. So, we all know who went OT first,
right?

So, what is it that you think I continually lie about, Telly? My personal
history? I was there you weren't. Why is this such a problem for you? Yes, I
had a very minor run-in with the law in the past. Our interpretations of what
actually transpired are very different. Why are you following me around in the
newsgroup and calling me names? Get a life. All you got is one badly slanted
newspaper article. RHF was nice enough to produce the URLs that backed up my
story. You, your sanctimonious self, have been caught LYING about who you've
PLONK'd. Gee, I guess no one's perfect, right?

Did I lie about poltics, something about George Bush? Don't we have that right
to disagree?

Keep at it loser. I'm convinced that the window into your darkened soul is
pretty obvious.

I don't really care whether you answer or not. I won't read it as long as no
one re-posts your drivel. If they do, I guess we can make a judgement about
their motives, too.

What do you really get out of keeping this up? I ask anyone reading this to
ponder that question.


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)

From: "Mark S. Holden"

Have you ever had a chance to compare your Sat 800 head to head with
another one?

I'm wondering if yours is performing up to spec.

You wouldn't be the first person to get one that wasn't working quite right.


Yep, my first thought, too. Unfortunately, it seems very similar to two other
SAT800s I compared it too. I guess there's the possiblilty that all three were
"bad." If so, that seems like an independent reason to think twice.

Look, I'm hurting my own re-sale value, right?


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)

In article ,
ospam (Michael Bryant) wrote:

From: N8KDV, aka, Steve "master Centurion" Lare

Telamon wrote:


Yes and it is your own doing. You continually post lies and how are we
to determine when you stop?

Ah, another Telamon re-post.

Yeah, and here is another Bryant lying post.

Please notice that this person's motives can be discrened by his total
abandonment of any SW-related discussion. So, we all know who went OT first,
right?

My motive is to counter the BS you post.

So, what is it that you think I continually lie about, Telly? My personal
history? I was there you weren't. Why is this such a problem for you? Yes, I
had a very minor run-in with the law in the past. Our interpretations of what
actually transpired are very different. Why are you following me around in the
newsgroup and calling me names? Get a life. All you got is one badly slanted
newspaper article. RHF was nice enough to produce the URLs that backed up my
story. You, your sanctimonious self, have been caught LYING about who you've
PLONK'd. Gee, I guess no one's perfect, right?

Everything Mikey. Your personal history yes. You post one thing one day
and the next contradict yourself so I do not have to know what actually
happened in your past to know that one of your posts is a lie.

Here is a news flash for you I could care less about your past. I care
about you posting lies on the newsgroup. I care about you contracting
yourself on the newsgroup. If you do not what me to comment about your
past do not bring it up and then lie about it.

Did I lie about poltics, something about George Bush? Don't we have that right
to disagree?

Make the comments radio related like " I heard this about Bush on radio
Netherlands" instead of posting crap from some malcontents web page.
Like I've posted before there is twice as much crap I could cut and
paste from the Internet about any of the Democratic candidates so your
point would be what?

Keep at it loser. I'm convinced that the window into your darkened soul is
pretty obvious.

Look in the mirror.

I don't really care whether you answer or not. I won't read it as long as no
one re-posts your drivel. If they do, I guess we can make a judgement about
their motives, too.

Its oblivious you do not have a conscience.

What do you really get out of keeping this up? I ask anyone reading this to
ponder that question.

What do you get out of posting lies and other OT crap on the news group?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

In article ,
ospam (Michael Bryant) wrote:

From: "Mark S. Holden"

Have you ever had a chance to compare your Sat 800 head to head with
another one?

I'm wondering if yours is performing up to spec.

You wouldn't be the first person to get one that wasn't working quite right.


Yep, my first thought, too. Unfortunately, it seems very similar to two other
SAT800s I compared it too. I guess there's the possiblilty that all three were
"bad." If so, that seems like an independent reason to think twice.

Look, I'm hurting my own re-sale value, right?

You are an expert at making your lies obvious to anyone with the
misfortune to read your posts so yes you do hurt yourself in many ways.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

I guess some people have had success with their Sat-800, and they do have a
nice control layout. I especially liked the tuning dial. However, I returned
3 Sat-800's in a row that had something or other wrong with them, and while
I did have them, they didn't outperform the 7600GR. That was 2 years ago.
Maybe they're better now, but if it were me, I would get something else.
Pierre

Telamon wrote:

In article ,
ospam (Michael Bryant) wrote:

From: N8KDV, aka, Steve "master Centurion" Lare

Telamon wrote:


Yes and it is your own doing. You continually post lies and how are we
to determine when you stop?

Ah, another Telamon re-post.

Yeah, and here is another Bryant lying post.

Please notice that this person's motives can be discrened by his total
abandonment of any SW-related discussion. So, we all know who went OT first,
right?

My motive is to counter the BS you post.

So, what is it that you think I continually lie about, Telly? My personal
history? I was there you weren't. Why is this such a problem for you? Yes, I
had a very minor run-in with the law in the past. Our interpretations of what
actually transpired are very different. Why are you following me around in the
newsgroup and calling me names? Get a life. All you got is one badly slanted
newspaper article. RHF was nice enough to produce the URLs that backed up my
story. You, your sanctimonious self, have been caught LYING about who you've
PLONK'd. Gee, I guess no one's perfect, right?

Everything Mikey. Your personal history yes. You post one thing one day
and the next contradict yourself so I do not have to know what actually
happened in your past to know that one of your posts is a lie.

Here is a news flash for you I could care less about your past. I care
about you posting lies on the newsgroup. I care about you contracting
yourself on the newsgroup. If you do not what me to comment about your
past do not bring it up and then lie about it.

Did I lie about poltics, something about George Bush? Don't we have that right
to disagree?

Make the comments radio related like " I heard this about Bush on radio
Netherlands" instead of posting crap from some malcontents web page.
Like I've posted before there is twice as much crap I could cut and
paste from the Internet about any of the Democratic candidates so your
point would be what?

Keep at it loser. I'm convinced that the window into your darkened soul is
pretty obvious.

Look in the mirror.

I don't really care whether you answer or not. I won't read it as long as no
one re-posts your drivel. If they do, I guess we can make a judgement about
their motives, too.

Its oblivious you do not have a conscience.

What do you really get out of keeping this up? I ask anyone reading this to
ponder that question.

What do you get out of posting lies and other OT crap on the news group?

Little ******* said he wouldn't email me anymore, and then he turns around and does
it again. He's pathological.



--
Telamon
Ventura, California

DEE wrote in message ...
Ok, I've got enought for either the R75 or the Sat800. They're
both about the same price. I'm not too concerned about portability
but looking for a great all around box for the money.

All around box? The R-75 if it were me. Good enough for BC, but good
at the other modes also.
IE: SSB, CW, etc...Also, I agree with one, the Drake R-8 is worthy of
a look.
It covers all the bases fairly well also. MK

MWB,

Although I would disagree with you on your 'personal' assessment
of the Grundig Satellit 800 M and the Icom IC-R75 (R-75 :o).

This is one of those YMMV type of things based upon individual
listening habits and location.

I have both the Grundig Satellit 800 M and the Icom IC-R75 (R-75 :o)
- But, I do not run them side-by-side.

* For 'me' the of the Grundig Satellit 800 M is my "Kitchen Radio"
and "Gets Listened To" more then most of my other radios.

* The Icom IC-R75 (R-75 :o) is located in one of two positions
in my shack and "Gets Listened AT".

MWB - "Just my two cents." is this not 'compressing' the Truth.
Everyone 'knows' that a Man of Your Education and Intelligence
has more than Two Cent to "Contribute" to any Discussion.
[ OBTW: I Am Not Calling You A Liar :]


Just for the Fun of It ~ RHF
..
..
= = = ospam (Michael Bryant)
= = = wrote in message ...
From: David

No, it's not just as good for program listening. The sync detector
makes AM DX much more listenable on the S-800.


The sync detector on the S800 also increases the noise floor. You are right
that the sync lock (combined with a much better speaker) on the S800 does make
listening to the very strongest stations much better, But if you're trying to
listen to a weaker-than-superpower station the combined effects of AC hum,
digital hash, and noise from the sync can be real disappointing.

I've operated the R75 and the SAT800 side-by-side for almost two years. I don't
have any problem listening to broadcast stations on the R75 in either SSB or
AM. If tuning AM, detune (up or down) about 1.2 kHz to fine the "sweet" spot in
AM narrow. Headphones or external speakers improve the audio even more.

I really think my Sony SW-77 is a better radio than the SAT800.

I know a lot of people think differently. I know that there are probably people
that will simply respond calling me a liar. They call me that no matter what I
say.

But I know what I like and I'm not thrilled about the SAT800. I might even put
a 7600GR with good external speakers above a SAT800.

Just my two cents.


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)

..

Mark Keith wrote:

DEE wrote in message ...
Ok, I've got enought for either the R75 or the Sat800. They're
both about the same price. I'm not too concerned about portability
but looking for a great all around box for the money.

All around box? The R-75 if it were me. Good enough for BC, but good
at the other modes also.
IE: SSB, CW, etc...Also, I agree with one, the Drake R-8 is worthy of
a look.
It covers all the bases fairly well also. MK


I have had the opportunity to use both the Drake R8B and the Icom
R-75 before buying. For *me* personally (trying to be as objective as I
could,) I thought the Drake was the better of the two, but (and again,
for *me* personally,) the ways *I* use a receiver, the Icom was 95% of
the Drake - at one-third the cost. I bought the Icom - I have not
regretted it for a moment.

Tony


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I also own both and find the Sat800's lack of a notch filter puts it way
behind the R75 in digging out weak distorted signals...



"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
From: David

No, it's not just as good for program listening. The sync detector
makes AM DX much more listenable on the S-800.


The sync detector on the S800 also increases the noise floor. You are
right
that the sync lock (combined with a much better speaker) on the S800 does
make
listening to the very strongest stations much better, But if you're trying
to
listen to a weaker-than-superpower station the combined effects of AC hum,
digital hash, and noise from the sync can be real disappointing.

I've operated the R75 and the SAT800 side-by-side for almost two years. I
don't
have any problem listening to broadcast stations on the R75 in either SSB
or
AM. If tuning AM, detune (up or down) about 1.2 kHz to fine the "sweet"
spot in
AM narrow. Headphones or external speakers improve the audio even more.

I really think my Sony SW-77 is a better radio than the SAT800.

I know a lot of people think differently. I know that there are probably
people
that will simply respond calling me a liar. They call me that no matter
what I
say.

But I know what I like and I'm not thrilled about the SAT800. I might even
put
a 7600GR with good external speakers above a SAT800.

Just my two cents.


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)

Tony Meloche wrote:

I have had the opportunity to use both the Drake R8B and the Icom
R-75 before buying. For *me* personally (trying to be as objective as I
could,) I thought the Drake was the better of the two, but (and again,
for *me* personally,) the ways *I* use a receiver, the Icom was 95% of
the Drake - at one-third the cost. I bought the Icom - I have not
regretted it for a moment.

Have you done any mod's to the R75?


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