Greenland
 

Have any East Coasters (or anyone else for that matter) been able to
hear Greenland on 3815 USB during their scheduled time at 2125-2225?

Just wondering if they are indeed on.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

Isn't skip a little short to hear that on 75M that mid-late afternoon?

/Carl
Dallas TX

N8KDV wrote:

Have any East Coasters (or anyone else for that matter) been able to
hear Greenland on 3815 USB during their scheduled time at 2125-2225?

Just wondering if they are indeed on.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

....(forgot) - and wouldn't it be LSB down there?

'73 - Carl

Carl / W5SU wrote:

Isn't skip a little short to hear that on 75M that mid-late afternoon?

/Carl
Dallas TX

N8KDV wrote:

Have any East Coasters (or anyone else for that matter) been able to
hear Greenland on 3815 USB during their scheduled time at 2125-2225?

Just wondering if they are indeed on.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

Carl / W5SU wrote:

...(forgot) - and wouldn't it be LSB down there?

Why?



'73 - Carl

Carl / W5SU wrote:

Isn't skip a little short to hear that on 75M that mid-late afternoon?

/Carl
Dallas TX

N8KDV wrote:

Have any East Coasters (or anyone else for that matter) been able to
hear Greenland on 3815 USB during their scheduled time at 2125-2225?

Just wondering if they are indeed on.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

Carl / W5SU wrote:

Isn't skip a little short to hear that on 75M that mid-late afternoon?

In mid winter it might be possible.



/Carl
Dallas TX

N8KDV wrote:

Have any East Coasters (or anyone else for that matter) been able to
hear Greenland on 3815 USB during their scheduled time at 2125-2225?

Just wondering if they are indeed on.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

Probably a good time to listen to stuff "over the poles". I talked to
a guy in Mongolia last night around 0045 on 20 meters. Will be hanging
out there again tonight (14198).

Jim

On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 16:31:51 -0500, N8KDV
wrote:

Have any East Coasters (or anyone else for that matter) been able to
hear Greenland on 3815 USB during their scheduled time at 2125-2225?

Just wondering if they are indeed on.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

"R.F. Collins" wrote:

Probably a good time to listen to stuff "over the poles". I talked to
a guy in Mongolia last night around 0045 on 20 meters. Will be hanging
out there again tonight (14198).

That's nice. However the original question I posed really had little to do
with anything being propagated "over the poles".

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

Isn't that around 2,000 miles? (East coast or MI). How many hops E skip is
that? Seems like a long shot at that time of day unless you've got some BIG
antennas on your side.

jw
wb9uai

J999w wrote:

Isn't that around 2,000 miles? (East coast or MI). How many hops E skip is
that? Seems like a long shot at that time of day unless you've got some BIG
antennas on your side.

jw
wb9uai

E skip? What darn propagation school did you guys go to?

Sheesh, I ask a simple question...

Isn't that around 2,000 miles? (East coast or MI). How many hops E skip is
that? Seems like a long shot at that time of day unless you've got some BIG
antennas on your side.

jw
wb9uai

E skip? What darn propagation school did you guys go to?

Sheesh, I ask a simple question...


Well, to cover 2,000 miles how many different propagation modes do you have?
and what are the odds? E skip? F skip? What else is there for this path???

I'd guess perhaps 2 hops for E skip would be the most prevalent mode (I could
be way off here). So what are the chances considering the time of day,
frequency (3.8mhz), transmitter power (?), high latitude the path has to cover,
and receiving equipment.

Just thinking out loud on this one.

jw
wb9uai

J999w wrote:


Isn't that around 2,000 miles? (East coast or MI). How many hops E skip is
that? Seems like a long shot at that time of day unless you've got some BIG
antennas on your side.

jw
wb9uai

E skip? What darn propagation school did you guys go to?

Sheesh, I ask a simple question...


Well, to cover 2,000 miles how many different propagation modes do you have?
and what are the odds? E skip? F skip? What else is there for this path???

I'd guess perhaps 2 hops for E skip would be the most prevalent mode (I could
be way off here). So what are the chances considering the time of day,
frequency (3.8mhz), transmitter power (?), high latitude the path has to cover,
and receiving equipment.

Just thinking out loud on this one.

jw
wb9uai

It shouldn't be that difficult. At least from an East Coast perspective in December
or January.

If Euro pirates running a couple hundred watts are audible here at times in that
frequency range prior to sunset, then at least from an East Coast vantage point
Greenland should, or could be audible.

I personally do not subscribe to the 'hops' theory. Ionospheric ducting and dumping
perhaps, but not hops.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

J999w wrote:

Isn't that around 2,000 miles? (East coast or MI). How many hops E skip is
that? Seems like a long shot at that time of day unless you've got some BIG
antennas on your side.

jw
wb9uai

You might wish to try some modeling of the darkness path around that time in
Dec. and Jan. with this site:

http://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/uncgi/Earth

I already have Greenland QSL'd on 3999 kHz when they were operating on that
frequency.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

E skip? What darn propagation school did you guys go to?

Sheesh, I ask a simple question.

LMBO.....I don't know about it being all that tough. I'll make a note of it
and see what I can hear. Not right (I don't think) but I'll make note of it
and if I hear something I'll post it here first.:-)

I know what you meant Steve. With you beverage or long wires you ought to give
it a shot.

Have any East Coasters (or anyone else for that matter) been able to
hear Greenland on 3815 USB during their scheduled time at 2125-2225?

I 'think' it's *gettable*......that's at 4:30pm EST here in Cincinnati,Ohio.
Right. {?}

I have a slew of receivers and antennas to throw at it.

***Nah, that'd be 4:25pm EST in Ohio to 5:25pm.***

Hey Steve,
That freq for Greenland isn't in the Passport. Did you get it from the ILG? I
have to print that list out definitely and put it in a ringed binder.

Dxluver wrote:

Hey Steve,
That freq for Greenland isn't in the Passport. Did you get it from the ILG? I
have to print that list out definitely and put it in a ringed binder.

I don't know if it's in ILG or not. It is on the EiBi site.

Dxluver wrote:

E skip? What darn propagation school did you guys go to?

Sheesh, I ask a simple question.

LMBO.....I don't know about it being all that tough. I'll make a note of it
and see what I can hear. Not right (I don't think) but I'll make note of it
and if I hear something I'll post it here first.:-)

I know what you meant Steve. With you beverage or long wires you ought to give
it a shot.

A bit late in the season here, but possible I suppose on the East Coast if indeed
they are on.

N8KDV wrote:

Have any East Coasters (or anyone else for that matter) been able to
hear Greenland on 3815 USB during their scheduled time at 2125-2225?

Just wondering if they are indeed on.

Per Glenn Hauser on World of Radio 1166 (January 22, 2003) the station
runs 100 watts.

Whether they are still on or not is up in the air!



Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

I don't know if it's in ILG or not. It is on the EiBi site.


I wrote down that site, I don't think I was familiar with it.

I'll make a note of it
and see what I can hear. Not right (I don't think) but I'll make note of it

A typo there. I meant"Not right now." Just to clear that up.

"N8KDV" wrote in message
...
Have any East Coasters (or anyone else for that matter) been able to
hear Greenland on 3815 USB during their scheduled time at 2125-2225?

Just wondering if they are indeed on.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm


Steve,
I'm on the east coast but I've never tried receiving Greenland.
I'll check the schedule and give it a try and post my results.

-Rick

Down on 80 meters, the F layer would be the mode of propagation. I
wonder...................with Greenland being that far north. would it
propagate over the pole?

Pete

"J999w" wrote in message
...

Isn't that around 2,000 miles? (East coast or MI). How many hops E skip
is
that? Seems like a long shot at that time of day unless you've got some
BIG
antennas on your side.

jw
wb9uai

E skip? What darn propagation school did you guys go to?

Sheesh, I ask a simple question...


Well, to cover 2,000 miles how many different propagation modes do you
have?
and what are the odds? E skip? F skip? What else is there for this path???

I'd guess perhaps 2 hops for E skip would be the most prevalent mode (I
could
be way off here). So what are the chances considering the time of day,
frequency (3.8mhz), transmitter power (?), high latitude the path has to
cover,
and receiving equipment.

Just thinking out loud on this one.

jw
wb9uai

Pete KE9OA wrote:

Down on 80 meters, the F layer would be the mode of propagation. I
wonder...................with Greenland being that far north. would it
propagate over the pole?

Why would it have to propagate over the pole to reach the East Coast USA or even
Michigan for that matter?



Pete

"J999w" wrote in message
...

Isn't that around 2,000 miles? (East coast or MI). How many hops E skip
is
that? Seems like a long shot at that time of day unless you've got some
BIG
antennas on your side.

jw
wb9uai

E skip? What darn propagation school did you guys go to?

Sheesh, I ask a simple question...


Well, to cover 2,000 miles how many different propagation modes do you
have?
and what are the odds? E skip? F skip? What else is there for this path???

I'd guess perhaps 2 hops for E skip would be the most prevalent mode (I
could
be way off here). So what are the chances considering the time of day,
frequency (3.8mhz), transmitter power (?), high latitude the path has to
cover,
and receiving equipment.

Just thinking out loud on this one.

jw
wb9uai

Why? Take a look at a globe, and you will see that the most direct path from
Greenland to the USA is over the pole.

Pete

"DxAce" wrote in message
...


Pete KE9OA wrote:

Down on 80 meters, the F layer would be the mode of propagation. I
wonder...................with Greenland being that far north. would it
propagate over the pole?

Why would it have to propagate over the pole to reach the East Coast USA
or even
Michigan for that matter?



Pete

"J999w" wrote in message
...

Isn't that around 2,000 miles? (East coast or MI). How many hops E
skip
is
that? Seems like a long shot at that time of day unless you've got
some
BIG
antennas on your side.

jw
wb9uai

E skip? What darn propagation school did you guys go to?

Sheesh, I ask a simple question...


Well, to cover 2,000 miles how many different propagation modes do you
have?
and what are the odds? E skip? F skip? What else is there for this
path???

I'd guess perhaps 2 hops for E skip would be the most prevalent mode
(I
could
be way off here). So what are the chances considering the time of day,
frequency (3.8mhz), transmitter power (?), high latitude the path has
to
cover,
and receiving equipment.

Just thinking out loud on this one.

jw
wb9uai

Pete KE9OA wrote:

Why? Take a look at a globe, and you will see that the most direct path from
Greenland to the USA is over the pole.

You are joking of course?



Pete

"DxAce" wrote in message
...


Pete KE9OA wrote:

Down on 80 meters, the F layer would be the mode of propagation. I
wonder...................with Greenland being that far north. would it
propagate over the pole?

Why would it have to propagate over the pole to reach the East Coast USA
or even
Michigan for that matter?



Pete

"J999w" wrote in message
...

Isn't that around 2,000 miles? (East coast or MI). How many hops E
skip
is
that? Seems like a long shot at that time of day unless you've got
some
BIG
antennas on your side.

jw
wb9uai

E skip? What darn propagation school did you guys go to?

Sheesh, I ask a simple question...


Well, to cover 2,000 miles how many different propagation modes do you
have?
and what are the odds? E skip? F skip? What else is there for this
path???

I'd guess perhaps 2 hops for E skip would be the most prevalent mode
(I
could
be way off here). So what are the chances considering the time of day,
frequency (3.8mhz), transmitter power (?), high latitude the path has
to
cover,
and receiving equipment.

Just thinking out loud on this one.

jw
wb9uai

Pete KE9OA wrote:

Why? Take a look at a globe, and you will see that the most direct path from
Greenland to the USA is over the pole.

Here is a link to a map I just made up which shows the great circle path from
the (supposed) transmitter site near Tasiilaq, Greenland (airport code AGM) and
Holland, MI (airport code HLM).

http://makeashorterlink.com/?G13726F97

Show me where the path crosses the pole?

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm





Pete

"DxAce" wrote in message
...


Pete KE9OA wrote:

Down on 80 meters, the F layer would be the mode of propagation. I
wonder...................with Greenland being that far north. would it
propagate over the pole?

Why would it have to propagate over the pole to reach the East Coast USA
or even
Michigan for that matter?



Pete

"J999w" wrote in message
...

Isn't that around 2,000 miles? (East coast or MI). How many hops E
skip
is
that? Seems like a long shot at that time of day unless you've got
some
BIG
antennas on your side.

jw
wb9uai

E skip? What darn propagation school did you guys go to?

Sheesh, I ask a simple question...


Well, to cover 2,000 miles how many different propagation modes do you
have?
and what are the odds? E skip? F skip? What else is there for this
path???

I'd guess perhaps 2 hops for E skip would be the most prevalent mode
(I
could
be way off here). So what are the chances considering the time of day,
frequency (3.8mhz), transmitter power (?), high latitude the path has
to
cover,
and receiving equipment.

Just thinking out loud on this one.

jw
wb9uai

DxAce wrote:

Pete KE9OA wrote:

Why? Take a look at a globe, and you will see that the most direct path from
Greenland to the USA is over the pole.

Here is a link to a map I just made up which shows the great circle path from
the (supposed) transmitter site near Tasiilaq, Greenland (airport code AGM) and
Holland, MI (airport code HLM).

http://makeashorterlink.com/?G13726F97

Show me where the path crosses the pole?

It does pass through the northern auroral zone and that's all it takes
to mess up the signal if the propagation conditions are disturbed.


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starman wrote:

DxAce wrote:

Pete KE9OA wrote:

Why? Take a look at a globe, and you will see that the most direct path from
Greenland to the USA is over the pole.

Here is a link to a map I just made up which shows the great circle path from
the (supposed) transmitter site near Tasiilaq, Greenland (airport code AGM) and
Holland, MI (airport code HLM).

http://makeashorterlink.com/?G13726F97

Show me where the path crosses the pole?

It does pass through the northern auroral zone and that's all it takes
to mess up the signal if the propagation conditions are disturbed.

Yes, but that is not 'over the pole' ;-)



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