Digital broadcasting on shortwave
 

Radio Netherlands, Netherlands

.... this diversification into TV should be proceeding apace at the very time
when we are on the brink of a new era of digital broadcasting on shortwave -
or are we ...

http://www.rnw.nl/realradio/features/html/tv040415.html

Analysis by Andy Sennitt, 15 April 2004

Mike Terry schreef:

Radio Netherlands, Netherlands

... this diversification into TV should be proceeding apace at the very time
when we are on the brink of a new era of digital broadcasting on shortwave -
or are we ...

http://www.rnw.nl/realradio/features/html/tv040415.html

Analysis by Andy Sennitt, 15 April 2004

It is a very good analysis and I agree with Andy.
Actuallly ShortWave s facing what happened to radio in the 50-ties when
TV came up and radio had to find an answer to that.

As a result Music Radio (top 40 radio) emerged, and certainly now in
most parts of the world people use television as their main information
source.
In international broadcasting I see a parallel, and the question is what
answer will Short wave radio give, if any.
SW content now is quite a lot of news and propaganda, not to mention the
vast amount of relegious broadcasters, including the state controlled
Koran stations.
What lacks in SW is entertainment, but given the uncountable number of
music/entertainment based stations on FM in most countries, is there
still a role for Short Wave.

As for me I could do with some more pop-music from the 50 60 and 70ties,
hardly available on AM/FM.
The audience group of SW is 40+ and dominantly male, so some uptempo top
40 muzic from the past (not just the major hits as played by the Gold
stations) could be an alternative.

That would me make to hit the SW button!
ruud

As for me I could do with some more pop-music from the 50 60 and 70ties,
hardly available on AM/FM.
The audience group of SW is 40+ and dominantly male, so some uptempo top
40 muzic from the past (not just the major hits as played by the Gold
stations) could be an alternative

not only that, but how about the top music from the 50's, 60's, and 70's of
each country broadcasting on shortwave? That should give some musical variety.

Being a shortwave listener, I have heard music from Africa that would never be
played in the U.S. at the time since it wasn't the kind of music that was
popular in the U.S. at that time.

And have heard other types of music from other countries. such as oriental
music.

I haven't really listened to shortwave much in years though, as my radio broke
and I didn't have one that worked for that band until recently. So I'm just
getting bacxk into the shortwave radio listening hobby.

So I'm not really sure what the shortwave bands are like today ) the types (or
formats) of the stations.

When I used to listen in the 70's and 80's, it was mostly news.

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 21:08:50 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Terry"
wrote:

http://www.rnw.nl/realradio/features/html/tv040415.html

Thanks for bringing that to the NG's attention.

/*
This is my own personal prognostication. It is very likely to be
wrong in nearly every aspect. It's probably not even worth the
electrons it took to send to you. But I can't resist...
*/

I think the SW spectrum is about to lose an awful lot of broadcasters.
In and of itself, this is not a bad thing. It is a big change, but I
look forward to a wider variety of other uses such as the militaries
of the world, ships at sea, probably more than a few pirates, maybe a
drug smuggler, and who knows what else.

It's worth noting that the transmitting hardware used by European
countries won't be disappearing overnight. I would not be surprised
to see a few small countries with limited budgets purchase some of
this hardware for domestic use of some sort. Intra-continental
broadcasting in Africa and Asia will probably continue for some time.

Meanwhile, SWBC domestic broadcasts are not likely to abate any time
soon. In fact, we may see them increase as the price of hardware
drops. I predict that if any of them are in business for a profit,
however, they'll lose their shirts because of BPL.

BPL will run its course. I predict it will be a miserable failure for
all its investors; but nevertheless, it will chase away most SW users
because of the wasteland it will make on the air.

I wonder what will happen after that?

73,


Jake Brodsky, AB3A
"Beware of the massive impossible!"

"Jake Brodsky" wrote in message
...


BPL will run its course. I predict it will be a miserable failure for
all its investors; but nevertheless, it will chase away most SW users
because of the wasteland it will make on the air.

I wonder what will happen after that?


It will be like one of Roger Corman's post-nuclear apocolypse movies. The
world, or in this case -- the shortwave bands, will be dominated by all
sorts of strange and wonderful mutants.

Frank Dresser

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 15:09:01 GMT, "Frank Dresser"
wrote:

"Jake Brodsky" wrote in message
.. .

I wonder what will happen after that?


It will be like one of Roger Corman's post-nuclear apocolypse movies. The
world, or in this case -- the shortwave bands, will be dominated by all
sorts of strange and wonderful mutants.

And Gosh! Some of them may attempt to broadcast using (horrors)
Digital Modulation!

:-D


Jake Brodsky, AB3A
"Beware of the massive impossible!"

"Jake Brodsky" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 15:09:01 GMT, "Frank Dresser"
wrote:

"Jake Brodsky" wrote in message
.. .

I wonder what will happen after that?


It will be like one of Roger Corman's post-nuclear apocolypse movies.
The
world, or in this case -- the shortwave bands, will be dominated by all
sorts of strange and wonderful mutants.

And Gosh! Some of them may attempt to broadcast using (horrors)
Digital Modulation!

:-D



As Count Floyd says "Oooh! That's scary, scary stuff!!"

Frank Dresser

BPL interference will give new meaning to the term "utility station."

Bill, K5BY

In article ,
(Waterperson77) wrote:

As for me I could do with some more pop-music from the 50 60 and 70ties,
hardly available on AM/FM.
The audience group of SW is 40+ and dominantly male, so some uptempo top
40 muzic from the past (not just the major hits as played by the Gold
stations) could be an alternative

not only that, but how about the top music from the 50's, 60's, and 70's of
each country broadcasting on shortwave? That should give some musical variety.

Being a shortwave listener, I have heard music from Africa that would never be
played in the U.S. at the time since it wasn't the kind of music that was
popular in the U.S. at that time.

And have heard other types of music from other countries. such as oriental
music.

I haven't really listened to shortwave much in years though, as my radio broke
and I didn't have one that worked for that band until recently. So I'm just
getting bacxk into the shortwave radio listening hobby.

So I'm not really sure what the shortwave bands are like today ) the types (or
formats) of the stations.

When I used to listen in the 70's and 80's, it was mostly news.



Now it's mostly religion.

Sadly.

Leonard

--
"Everything that rises must converge"
--Flannery O'Connor

"Mike Terry" wrote in message ...
Radio Netherlands, Netherlands

... this diversification into TV should be proceeding apace at the very time
when we are on the brink of a new era of digital broadcasting on shortwave -
or are we ...

I really doubt it. No one will care about digital BC on SW, except for
a few hard core SW listeners. The mainstream public would ignore it.
The SW bands will continue to steadily die off as far as analog BC is
concerned. And I don't see them being replaced by digital. Who would
care enough to listen and make it a feasable project for the
broadcaster? Who would waste the money for the receive gear needed?
When you can buy hi-fi stereo satellite radio with half a zillion
channels, digi SW would be lame in comparison to the average user. I
don't doubt *some* radio will eventually go digital, as TV is already,
but I don't see it hitting big on the SW bands. In my head, I see it
more likely on hi-fi VHF FM, and SAT radio, etc. I see SW-BC dieing
off nearly totally eventually, although it will still be quite a few
years off. To be replaced by SAT and internet channeled radio, that
gives the user the option of listening to the ACTUAL *local*
programming desired. IE: Africa...Instead of digital SW-BC, I see
digital SAT radio with rebroadcast of the many local African stations
a more viable option. Much like listening to far off local BC stations
on the internet...I actually enjoy that myself, although it seems the
push for internet radio kind of flopped. I used to listen to one
Australian AM-BC station quite a bit on the internet...It's weird
listening to an AM station on the other side of the world with a
perfectly noise free signal and no fading...:) MK

On 30 Apr 2004 00:01:36 -0700, (Mark Keith) wrote:

"Mike Terry" wrote in message ...
Radio Netherlands, Netherlands

... this diversification into TV should be proceeding apace at the very time
when we are on the brink of a new era of digital broadcasting on shortwave -
or are we ...

I really doubt it. No one will care about digital BC on SW, except for
a few hard core SW listeners. The mainstream public would ignore it.
The SW bands will continue to steadily die off as far as analog BC is
concerned. And I don't see them being replaced by digital. Who would
care enough to listen and make it a feasable project for the
broadcaster? Who would waste the money for the receive gear needed?
When you can buy hi-fi stereo satellite radio with half a zillion
channels, digi SW would be lame in comparison to the average user. I
don't doubt *some* radio will eventually go digital, as TV is already,
but I don't see it hitting big on the SW bands. In my head, I see it
more likely on hi-fi VHF FM, and SAT radio, etc. I see SW-BC dieing
off nearly totally eventually, although it will still be quite a few
years off. To be replaced by SAT and internet channeled radio, that
gives the user the option of listening to the ACTUAL *local*
programming desired. IE: Africa...Instead of digital SW-BC, I see
digital SAT radio with rebroadcast of the many local African stations
a more viable option. Much like listening to far off local BC stations
on the internet...I actually enjoy that myself, although it seems the
push for internet radio kind of flopped. I used to listen to one
Australian AM-BC station quite a bit on the internet...It's weird
listening to an AM station on the other side of the world with a
perfectly noise free signal and no fading...:) MK

Yeah Mark - just look at what's in the pipeline for content listeners
(as opposed to station dxers):
http://www.reciva.com/