"tommyknocker" wrote in message
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Stinger wrote:


"tommyknocker" wrote in message
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Frank White wrote:

In article ,
says...

Apparently a South Korean news agency has reported that two
gasoline
loaded trains have collided in North Korea, killing thousands and
leveling an entire town. Radio Exterior de Espana noted that there
has
been no independent confirmation of this. NBC News (US) has
reported
that it was near the border with China and that phone lines between
NK
and China have been cut in order to prevent info from getting out.
I
don't have my Yaesu hokked up so I can't tune around and see what
others
are saying. What's Radio Korea Intl (NOT VoK, but South Korea)
reporting? Anybody hear anything?

The BBC was airing initial reports within minutes. True, those
reports were mainly "There may have been a massive disaster, but
NK has cut all communication"; but they were on it.

And they stayed on it through the day, providing details as they
got them while digging up background like interviews with
reporters familiar with North Korea and its determination to
control all information going in and out of the country; a
talk with the head of a civilian satellite imaging company who was
unable to talk about what might have happened yesterday (since
the satellites weren't in position to see such immediate
details) but COULD talk about how previous scans showed that
the railway station was a rabbit warren of interconnecting,
converging tracks and it would be easy for trains to run into
each other there (and that huge numbers of houses were right there
besides the tracks); a discussion of how the NK railroad system is
the SAME one set up by the Japanese more than 60 years ago when
they held Korea as a colonial possession and is in terrible shape,
but is the NK government's main means of transport because it's
all they've got that runs...

The BBC's coverage was VERY informative!

And on the flip side, I notice that US domestic shortwave
braodcasters - the looney tune section - are already insisting
it was really an accidental nuke detonation the North Koreans
are trying to disguise as an conventional accident...

FW


CBS (US) is reporting this morning that the trains were filled with
dynamite and that they ran into a downed live power line, thus
touching
off the explosion.



Major Disaster! And just as the Soviets did, the North Koreans are
doing.

First, they cut external communications.

Next, they floated a story about a gasoline and fuel oil explosion.

When that didn't fly, it became a gasoline and LP gas explosion.

When that didn't fly, it suddenly became a dynamite train explosion.

However, several sources say that it was a trainload of rocket fuel,
which
they got from our supposed friends, the Chinese.

If that finally turns out to be the fact....well gee...it's a shame that
blew up.

-- Stinger

Where did you hear the rocket fuel story? On shortwave? Just curious.

But we'll probably never know exactly what it was. Explosive fuels, by
their nature, are self obliterating. And North Korea is the most
reclusive country on earth. But whatever caused it, it was BIG, big
enough to force the North Koreans to turn to the Red Cross for help.
That indicates a whole train filled with SOMETHING explosive.


WWL-AM mentioned it while I was on my way to work this morning.

-- Stinger

"tommyknocker" wrote in message
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Apparently the Beloved Leader had passed through the area NINE HOURS
before the explosion. That sort of time lag rules out an assassination
attempt.


The time lag doesn't rule out an incompetant assassination attempt. And we
can count on incompetant conspiracy theorists to keep the speculation alive.

Frank Dresser

In article ,
"Stinger" wrote:

"tommyknocker" wrote in message
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Stinger wrote:


"tommyknocker" wrote in message
...
Frank White wrote:

In article ,

says...

Apparently a South Korean news agency has reported that two
gasoline loaded trains have collided in North Korea, killing
thousands and leveling an entire town. Radio Exterior de
Espana noted that there has been no independent confirmation
of this. NBC News (US) has reported that it was near the
border with China and that phone lines between NK and China
have been cut in order to prevent info from getting out. I
don't have my Yaesu hokked up so I can't tune around and see
what others are saying. What's Radio Korea Intl (NOT VoK,
but South Korea) reporting? Anybody hear anything?

The BBC was airing initial reports within minutes. True,
those reports were mainly "There may have been a massive
disaster, but NK has cut all communication"; but they were on
it.

And they stayed on it through the day, providing details as
they got them while digging up background like interviews
with reporters familiar with North Korea and its
determination to control all information going in and out of
the country; a talk with the head of a civilian satellite
imaging company who was unable to talk about what might have
happened yesterday (since the satellites weren't in position
to see such immediate details) but COULD talk about how
previous scans showed that the railway station was a rabbit
warren of interconnecting, converging tracks and it would be
easy for trains to run into each other there (and that huge
numbers of houses were right there besides the tracks); a
discussion of how the NK railroad system is the SAME one set
up by the Japanese more than 60 years ago when they held
Korea as a colonial possession and is in terrible shape, but
is the NK government's main means of transport because it's
all they've got that runs...

The BBC's coverage was VERY informative!

And on the flip side, I notice that US domestic shortwave
braodcasters - the looney tune section - are already
insisting it was really an accidental nuke detonation the
North Koreans are trying to disguise as an conventional
accident...

FW


CBS (US) is reporting this morning that the trains were filled
with dynamite and that they ran into a downed live power line,
thus touching off the explosion.



Major Disaster! And just as the Soviets did, the North Koreans
are doing.

First, they cut external communications.

Next, they floated a story about a gasoline and fuel oil
explosion.

When that didn't fly, it became a gasoline and LP gas explosion.

When that didn't fly, it suddenly became a dynamite train
explosion.

However, several sources say that it was a trainload of rocket
fuel, which they got from our supposed friends, the Chinese.

If that finally turns out to be the fact....well gee...it's a
shame that blew up.

Where did you hear the rocket fuel story? On shortwave? Just
curious.

But we'll probably never know exactly what it was. Explosive fuels,
by their nature, are self obliterating. And North Korea is the most
reclusive country on earth. But whatever caused it, it was BIG, big
enough to force the North Koreans to turn to the Red Cross for
help. That indicates a whole train filled with SOMETHING explosive.


WWL-AM mentioned it while I was on my way to work this morning.


Nobody else has mentioned it so I will.

Maybe the Red Cross should bring some geiger counter with them.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

= = = tommyknocker wrote in message
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RHF wrote:

FW,

Actually the Beloved Leader was returning from a trip to China.

His special train had just past through the very place where
this 'accident' was about to happen.

Some may wish to connect the 'dots' and conclude that this 'accident'
was a missed Assassination Attempt on the Beloved Leader.

And 'if' so, planned by who... China, the USofA, or was it an inside job ?

One Wonders ~ RHF

Apparently the Beloved Leader had passed through the area NINE HOURS
before the explosion. That sort of time lag rules out an assassination
attempt.


TK,

So then we have the two Clocks Theory plus Reality.

The Beloved Leader was on 'local' time.

The Assassins were on UTC Time.

Plus the Reality that North Korean Trains 'never' run On-Time :o)

jftfoi ~ RHF

..

In article , says...

RHF wrote:

FW,

Actually the Beloved Leader was returning from a trip to China.

His special train had just past through the very place where
this 'accident' was about to happen.

Some may wish to connect the 'dots' and conclude that this 'accident'
was a missed Assassination Attempt on the Beloved Leader.

And 'if' so, planned by who... China, the USofA, or was it an inside job
?

One Wonders ~ RHF

Apparently the Beloved Leader had passed through the area NINE HOURS
before the explosion. That sort of time lag rules out an assassination
attempt.

At least a competant attempt.

Although circumstances can sometimes work against even the best
laid plans. In WWII a couple of Czech partisans attempted to
assassinate a particularly vicious and high ranging SS officer,
Reinhart Hayden I think his name was, the so called 'Butcher of
Prague', who was in charge of Nazi occupied Czechosolvakia and
was running the whole country like a concentration camp. They
observed his habits carefully and came up with a perfect plan
both for the hit and for their escape; and on the day of the
attack they confronted Hayden, pointed at him the machine gun
they'd trained and practiced with to the point of being dead
shots, squeezed the trigger... and the gun jammed.

Fortunately they had a back up bomb. The explosion when they
threw it incapacitated the Nazi with injuries and ultimately
killed him through infection.

Plans can go REALLY bad...

FW

Hey all you Steve Quayle fans out there, don't forget Cheney was in
Beijing this week!

Grumpus



(RHF) wrote in message . com...
= = = tommyknocker wrote in message
= = = ...
RHF wrote:

FW,

Actually the Beloved Leader was returning from a trip to China.

His special train had just past through the very place where
this 'accident' was about to happen.

Some may wish to connect the 'dots' and conclude that this 'accident'
was a missed Assassination Attempt on the Beloved Leader.

And 'if' so, planned by who... China, the USofA, or was it an inside job ?

One Wonders ~ RHF

Apparently the Beloved Leader had passed through the area NINE HOURS
before the explosion. That sort of time lag rules out an assassination
attempt.


TK,

So then we have the two Clocks Theory plus Reality.

The Beloved Leader was on 'local' time.

The Assassins were on UTC Time.

Plus the Reality that North Korean Trains 'never' run On-Time :o)

jftfoi ~ RHF

.

(Frank White) wrote in message ...

In WWII a couple of Czech partisans attempted to
assassinate a particularly vicious and high ranging SS officer,...


Reinhard Heydrich

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Heydrich


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Reinhard Tristan Eugen Heydrich (sometimes incorrectly spelled as
Reinhardt, March 7, 1904 - June 4, 1942) was an obergruppenführer
(general) in the Nazi German paramilitary corps - the SS led by
Heinrich Himmler. He was nicknamed The Butcher of Prague, The Blond
Beast and Der Henker (German for the hangman).


He also figures in the alternate history "The Man in the High Castle,"
by Philip K. Dick.

http://www.philipkdick.com/works_novels_mancastle.html


Plot Summary:
It's America in 1962. Slavery is legal once again. The few Jews who
still survive hide under assumed names. In San Francisco, the I Ching
is as common as the Yellow Pages. All because some 20 years earlier
the United States lost a war--and is now occupied jointly by Nazi
Germany and Japan.

This harrowing, Hugo Award-winning novel is the work that established
Philip K. Dick as an innovator in science fiction while breaking the
barrier between science fiction and the serious novel of ideas. In it
Dick offers a haunting vision of history as a nightmare from which it
may just be possible to awake.

In article ,
says...

(Frank White) wrote in message
...

In WWII a couple of Czech partisans attempted to
assassinate a particularly vicious and high ranging SS officer,...


Reinhard Heydrich

Yep, him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Heydrich


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Reinhard Tristan Eugen Heydrich (sometimes incorrectly spelled as
Reinhardt, March 7, 1904 - June 4, 1942) was an obergruppenführer
(general) in the Nazi German paramilitary corps - the SS led by
Heinrich Himmler. He was nicknamed The Butcher of Prague, The Blond
Beast and Der Henker (German for the hangman).

He was not only one of the main architects of the Final Solution,
AND the man who most made the SS the efficient and brutal
nightmare it was, but he actually fit the stereotype of the Nazi
superman: Tall, blonde, broad shouldered, narrow hipped,
fearless, brilliant, driven... completely devoid of humanity or
compassion...

Better dead.

FW

Frank White wrote:

In article ,
says...

(Frank White) wrote in message
...

In WWII a couple of Czech partisans attempted to
assassinate a particularly vicious and high ranging SS officer,...


Reinhard Heydrich

Yep, him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Heydrich


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Reinhard Tristan Eugen Heydrich (sometimes incorrectly spelled as
Reinhardt, March 7, 1904 - June 4, 1942) was an obergruppenführer
(general) in the Nazi German paramilitary corps - the SS led by
Heinrich Himmler. He was nicknamed The Butcher of Prague, The Blond
Beast and Der Henker (German for the hangman).

He was not only one of the main architects of the Final Solution,
AND the man who most made the SS the efficient and brutal
nightmare it was, but he actually fit the stereotype of the Nazi
superman: Tall, blonde, broad shouldered, narrow hipped,
fearless, brilliant, driven... completely devoid of humanity or
compassion...

Better dead.

FW


It seems that a lot of the proponents of eugenics didn't fit the Nordic
"master race" stereotype, at least not physically.

(Frank White) wrote in message ...
In article ,
says...

(Frank White) wrote in message
...

In WWII a couple of Czech partisans attempted to
assassinate a particularly vicious and high ranging SS officer,...


Reinhard Heydrich

Yep, him.


It's people like Reinhard Heydrich that gave Nazis a bad name.