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JCJ April 30th 04 05:06 PM

Best digital PLL MW radio receiver?
 
Can anyone give me opionions as to which one is the best true portable
PLL synthesized DIGITAL radio receiver for listening to MW(AM)?

Please consider the size no bigger than the ATS909 (No S350)

In order of importance please consider these:
1.-Sensitivity
2.-Selectivity
3.-Must have a tuning knob
4.-Sound (must have internal speaker)
5.-Memories

Bill Everhart April 30th 04 07:59 PM

On 30 Apr 2004 09:06:31 -0700, (JCJ) wrote:

Can anyone give me opionions as to which one is the best true portable
PLL synthesized DIGITAL radio receiver for listening to MW(AM)?

Please consider the size no bigger than the ATS909 (No S350)

In order of importance please consider these:
1.-Sensitivity
2.-Selectivity
3.-Must have a tuning knob
4.-Sound (must have internal speaker)
5.-Memories



SONY 2010

Have fun.

CW May 1st 04 01:13 AM

You didn't read what he wrote, did you?

"Bill Everhart" wrote in message
...
On 30 Apr 2004 09:06:31 -0700, (JCJ) wrote:

Can anyone give me opionions as to which one is the best true portable
PLL synthesized DIGITAL radio receiver for listening to MW(AM)?

Please consider the size no bigger than the ATS909 (No S350)

In order of importance please consider these:
1.-Sensitivity
2.-Selectivity
3.-Must have a tuning knob
4.-Sound (must have internal speaker)
5.-Memories



SONY 2010

Have fun.




Bill Everhart May 1st 04 01:50 AM

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:13:55 -0700, "CW"
wrote:

You didn't read what he wrote, did you?

"Bill Everhart" wrote in message
.. .
On 30 Apr 2004 09:06:31 -0700, (JCJ) wrote:

Can anyone give me opionions as to which one is the best true portable
PLL synthesized DIGITAL radio receiver for listening to MW(AM)?

Please consider the size no bigger than the ATS909 (No S350)

In order of importance please consider these:
1.-Sensitivity
2.-Selectivity
3.-Must have a tuning knob
4.-Sound (must have internal speaker)
5.-Memories



SONY 2010

Have fun.



Uh..... I did read it.

Gregg May 1st 04 02:11 AM

Pete, KE90A is cookin' something up in his cauldron for you ;-)

--
Gregg
*It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca

Mark S. Holden May 1st 04 02:31 AM

Bill Everhart wrote:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:13:55 -0700, "CW"
wrote:


You didn't read what he wrote, did you?

"Bill Everhart" wrote in message
. ..

On 30 Apr 2004 09:06:31 -0700, (JCJ) wrote:


Can anyone give me opionions as to which one is the best true portable
PLL synthesized DIGITAL radio receiver for listening to MW(AM)?

Please consider the size no bigger than the ATS909 (No S350)

In order of importance please consider these:
1.-Sensitivity
2.-Selectivity
3.-Must have a tuning knob
4.-Sound (must have internal speaker)
5.-Memories


SONY 2010

Have fun.



Uh..... I did read it.


Does the 2010 have a tuning knob?



Mark S. Holden May 1st 04 03:04 AM

Mark S. Holden wrote:

Bill Everhart wrote:

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:13:55 -0700, "CW"
wrote:


You didn't read what he wrote, did you?

"Bill Everhart" wrote in message
...

On 30 Apr 2004 09:06:31 -0700, (JCJ) wrote:


Can anyone give me opionions as to which one is the best true portable
PLL synthesized DIGITAL radio receiver for listening to MW(AM)?

Please consider the size no bigger than the ATS909 (No S350)

In order of importance please consider these:
1.-Sensitivity
2.-Selectivity
3.-Must have a tuning knob
4.-Sound (must have internal speaker)
5.-Memories



SONY 2010

Have fun.



Uh..... I did read it.



Does the 2010 have a tuning knob?


Checked the Universal site, it does - so I'm not sure what CW was
getting at.


LW May 1st 04 04:11 AM

Bill Everhart

SONY 2010

Have fun.


I was at Big Lots in Greenville, SC yesterday. The stock clerk rolled
out a pallet of 2010's and set it down in a back corner of the store.
Hung a price tag that said $29.95 each and walked away.

Then I woke up.

What a dream.

Brian Hill May 1st 04 04:18 AM


"JCJ" wrote in message
om...
Can anyone give me opionions as to which one is the best true portable
PLL synthesized DIGITAL radio receiver for listening to MW(AM)?

Please consider the size no bigger than the ATS909 (No S350)

In order of importance please consider these:
1.-Sensitivity
2.-Selectivity
3.-Must have a tuning knob
4.-Sound (must have internal speaker)
5.-Memories


I think the Super Radios are good choice. Most dedicated SW rigs have
attenuation that is present across the AM broadcast band which
substantially lowers the sensitivity.
--
73 Brian
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A lot of radios and 100' of rusty wire!
Brian's Radio Universe
http://webpages.charter.net/brianehill/



Pete KE9OA May 1st 04 05:40 AM

Thanks for the endorsement Gregg! I think this unit will be a desk top unit
though.
Right now, I have the synthesizer and the loop amplifier/tuning circuit
captured into Protel DXP. I still need to do the Rx section and the Sync
Detector. A couple days more work.............then the fun stuff begins.

Pete

"Gregg" wrote in message
news:KOCkc.152$m03.103@clgrps13...
Pete, KE90A is cookin' something up in his cauldron for you ;-)

--
Gregg
*It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca




CW May 1st 04 07:47 AM

Just didn't understand it then.

"Bill Everhart" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:13:55 -0700, "CW"
wrote:

You didn't read what he wrote, did you?

"Bill Everhart" wrote in message
.. .
On 30 Apr 2004 09:06:31 -0700, (JCJ) wrote:

Can anyone give me opionions as to which one is the best true portable
PLL synthesized DIGITAL radio receiver for listening to MW(AM)?

Please consider the size no bigger than the ATS909 (No S350)

In order of importance please consider these:
1.-Sensitivity
2.-Selectivity
3.-Must have a tuning knob
4.-Sound (must have internal speaker)
5.-Memories


SONY 2010

Have fun.



Uh..... I did read it.




CW May 1st 04 07:48 AM


"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
...

Checked the Universal site, it does - so I'm not sure what CW was
getting at.

The first requirement that he listed, size.



CW May 1st 04 07:50 AM

Since when did they add PLL to a Super Radio?

"Brian Hill" wrote in message
...

"JCJ" wrote in message
om...
Can anyone give me opionions as to which one is the best true portable
PLL synthesized DIGITAL radio receiver for listening to MW(AM)?

Please consider the size no bigger than the ATS909 (No S350)

In order of importance please consider these:
1.-Sensitivity
2.-Selectivity
3.-Must have a tuning knob
4.-Sound (must have internal speaker)
5.-Memories


I think the Super Radios are good choice. Most dedicated SW rigs have
attenuation that is present across the AM broadcast band which
substantially lowers the sensitivity.
--
73 Brian
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A lot of radios and 100' of rusty wire!
Brian's Radio Universe
http://webpages.charter.net/brianehill/





Gregg May 1st 04 11:45 AM

Behold, Pete KE9OA signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:

Thanks for the endorsement Gregg!


Anytime :-)

I'm pro'lly one of the more excited ones here about your project :-D

--
Gregg
*It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca

Bill Everhart May 1st 04 01:42 PM

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 23:50:58 -0700, "CW"
wrote:

Since when did they add PLL to a Super Radio?

"Brian Hill" wrote in message
...

"JCJ" wrote in message
om...
Can anyone give me opionions as to which one is the best true portable
PLL synthesized DIGITAL radio receiver for listening to MW(AM)?

Please consider the size no bigger than the ATS909 (No S350)

In order of importance please consider these:
1.-Sensitivity
2.-Selectivity
3.-Must have a tuning knob
4.-Sound (must have internal speaker)
5.-Memories


I think the Super Radios are good choice. Most dedicated SW rigs have
attenuation that is present across the AM broadcast band which
substantially lowers the sensitivity.
--
73 Brian
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A lot of radios and 100' of rusty wire!
Brian's Radio Universe
http://webpages.charter.net/brianehill/





Yea, he's talking about the new digital Super Radio IV. :-))

Brian Hill May 1st 04 02:51 PM


"CW" wrote in message
...
Since when did they add PLL to a Super Radio?



Dah! I should have read it better. I was just thinking of a good MW
receiver. Sorry CW!
--
73 Brian
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A lot of radios and 100' of rusty wire!
Brian's Radio Universe
http://webpages.charter.net/brianehill/



CW May 1st 04 06:11 PM


"Bill Everhart" wrote in message

Yea, he's talking about the new digital Super Radio IV. :-))


Yea...Right. :)



CW May 1st 04 06:13 PM

Good radio though, if he can live without the digital aspect.

"Brian Hill" wrote in message
...

"CW" wrote in message
...
Since when did they add PLL to a Super Radio?



Dah! I should have read it better. I was just thinking of a good MW
receiver. Sorry CW!
--
73 Brian
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A lot of radios and 100' of rusty wire!
Brian's Radio Universe
http://webpages.charter.net/brianehill/





CRUSH THE LEFT May 2nd 04 02:39 AM

wrote:



Can anyone give me opionions as to which one is the best true portable
PLL synthesized DIGITAL radio receiver for listening to MW(AM)?

Please consider the size no bigger than the ATS909 (No S350)


Well, your size preference kind of limits your options. If you're willing to go
a bit bigger, the Sony 2010 wins hands down. Otherwise, the Sony ICF-7600 is
pretty good on MW. Sony's AM synchronous detector really helps the selectivity.

Although not a "true" portable (no built-in ferrite rod antenna) the Palstar
R30 fits your size category, can operate off of internal batteries, and is a
fantastic MW radio, better than the Sony 2010.



starman May 2nd 04 07:39 AM

Pete KE9OA wrote:

Thanks for the endorsement Gregg! I think this unit will be a desk top unit
though.
Right now, I have the synthesizer and the loop amplifier/tuning circuit
captured into Protel DXP. I still need to do the Rx section and the Sync
Detector. A couple days more work.............then the fun stuff begins.

Pete


Do you get much flak from the bean counters about trimming costs in the
design? This seems to be one of the major reasons that some great
receivers don't make it to market.


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Joe Analssandrini May 2nd 04 05:55 PM

You're not going to find a radio with all of your requirements as no
such receiver exists.

If you can live without #3, the tuning knob, in my opinion the best
portable for listening to MW is the Sony ICF-SW7600GR in conjunction
with a Select-A-Tenna, or similar. Note: The Sony An-LP1 does not work
on MW. I believe the above combination would come closest to your
requirements. It would eight or your nine requiremens.

Hope this helps, Joe

(JCJ) wrote in message . com...
Can anyone give me opionions as to which one is the best true portable
PLL synthesized DIGITAL radio receiver for listening to MW(AM)?

Please consider the size no bigger than the ATS909 (No S350)

In order of importance please consider these:
1.-Sensitivity
2.-Selectivity
3.-Must have a tuning knob
4.-Sound (must have internal speaker)
5.-Memories


Al Arduengo May 2nd 04 07:20 PM

LW wrote:
Bill Everhart

SONY 2010

Have fun.



I was at Big Lots in Greenville, SC yesterday. The stock clerk rolled
out a pallet of 2010's and set it down in a back corner of the store.
Hung a price tag that said $29.95 each and walked away.

Then I woke up.

What a dream.

Man, I was getting ready call 'em. Shame on you...

Pete KE9OA May 2nd 04 10:08 PM

No, they are leaving the design details up to me. The owner of the company
is also a MW Dxer like myself.

Pete

"starman" wrote in message
...
Pete KE9OA wrote:

Thanks for the endorsement Gregg! I think this unit will be a desk top

unit
though.
Right now, I have the synthesizer and the loop amplifier/tuning circuit
captured into Protel DXP. I still need to do the Rx section and the Sync
Detector. A couple days more work.............then the fun stuff begins.

Pete


Do you get much flak from the bean counters about trimming costs in the
design? This seems to be one of the major reasons that some great
receivers don't make it to market.


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radiok3pi May 3rd 04 03:06 AM

This is all very exciting Pete.
Wonder if the mechanical on/off switch made it to the final design?
Also, are you willing to hazard a guess (realizing of course that
other projects could change it) as to an approx. availability date?

really looking fwd to it!

73 Russ K3Pi

Pete KE9OA May 4th 04 02:39 AM

Hi Russ,
I am not sure about the ship date yet.................our
software person still needs to free up from the big project before he can
work on this one. And yes, this unit will have a mechanical power switch.
I've got a Drake SW8, and although it is a fun receiver, I really hate that
soft power switch. The manufacturer must have thought people would have the
unit plugged in all the time It is going to be a good receiver.
If this project takes off the way I hope it will, I would also like to do a
general cover version of the receiver. The Rx circuit will be the same, with
the exception of switchable band-pass filters for the front end, and of
course, a different synthesizer topology. If that comes to pass, I will
probably use a hybrid DDS/PLL design.

Pete

"radiok3pi" wrote in message
om...
This is all very exciting Pete.
Wonder if the mechanical on/off switch made it to the final design?
Also, are you willing to hazard a guess (realizing of course that
other projects could change it) as to an approx. availability date?

really looking fwd to it!

73 Russ K3Pi




Grumpus May 4th 04 05:53 PM

"CW" wrote in message ...
Since when did they add PLL to a Super Radio?


In the early 80's to the fabled and little seen Digital Super Radios.

Regards,

Grumpus



"Brian Hill" wrote in message
...

"JCJ" wrote in message
om...
Can anyone give me opionions as to which one is the best true portable
PLL synthesized DIGITAL radio receiver for listening to MW(AM)?

Please consider the size no bigger than the ATS909 (No S350)

In order of importance please consider these:
1.-Sensitivity
2.-Selectivity
3.-Must have a tuning knob
4.-Sound (must have internal speaker)
5.-Memories


I think the Super Radios are good choice. Most dedicated SW rigs have
attenuation that is present across the AM broadcast band which
substantially lowers the sensitivity.
--
73 Brian
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A lot of radios and 100' of rusty wire!
Brian's Radio Universe
http://webpages.charter.net/brianehill/



starman May 5th 04 04:18 AM

Pete KE9OA wrote:

If this project takes off the way I hope it will, I would also like to do a general cover version of the receiver. The Rx circuit will be the same, with the exception of switchable band-pass filters for the front end, and of course, a different synthesizer topology. If that comes to pass, I will
probably use a hybrid DDS/PLL design.


What kind of store might sell that version?


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RHF May 6th 04 02:44 AM

= = = "CW" wrote in message
= = = ...
Since when did they add PLL to a Super Radio ?


FO&A,

"Please consider the size no bigger than the ATS909 (No S350)"

Since when did they make a GE Superadio 'as small as' a
Sangean ATS-909 ? - or smaller ?

One Wonders ~ RHF
..
..

"Brian Hill" wrote in message
...

"JCJ" wrote in message
om...
Can anyone give me opionions as to which one is the best true portable
PLL synthesized DIGITAL radio receiver for listening to MW(AM)?

Please consider the size no bigger than the ATS909 (No S350)

In order of importance please consider these:
1.-Sensitivity
2.-Selectivity
3.-Must have a tuning knob
4.-Sound (must have internal speaker)
5.-Memories


I think the Super Radios are good choice. Most dedicated SW rigs have
attenuation that is present across the AM broadcast band which
substantially lowers the sensitivity.
--
73 Brian
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A lot of radios and 100' of rusty wire!
Brian's Radio Universe
http://webpages.charter.net/brianehill/



Pete KE9OA May 13th 04 06:41 AM

I think we probably will sell direct to the public. I contacted a couple of
the big shortwave receiver distributors, and they didn't seem too
interested.

Pete

"starman" wrote in message
...
Pete KE9OA wrote:

If this project takes off the way I hope it will, I would also like to

do a general cover version of the receiver. The Rx circuit will be the
same, with the exception of switchable band-pass filters for the front
end, and of course, a different synthesizer topology. If that comes to
pass, I will
probably use a hybrid DDS/PLL design.


What kind of store might sell that version?


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Diverd4777 May 13th 04 03:03 PM

Pete:

- Please post a link to whatever website you will be using to Sell your
receiver from when it's ready to ship !

Thanks

Dan


I think we probably will sell direct to the public. I contacted a couple of
the big shortwave receiver distributors, and they didn't seem too
interested.

Pete

"starman" wrote in message
...
Pete KE9OA wrote:

If this project takes off the way I hope it will, I would also like to

do a general cover version of the receiver. The Rx circuit will be the
same, with the exception of switchable band-pass filters for the front
end, and of course, a different synthesizer topology. If that comes to
pass, I will
probably use a hybrid DDS/PLL design.


What kind of store might sell that version?


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