Let's debate: Should Amateur Radio be made a free for all?
 

Could you have followed up with a complaint or something to the FCC?


that's what I thought at first. However, I wasn't able to for several reasons.

It's my understanding that the FCC can't do anything about it becaue that
wasn't an on-air violation. It would be a civil matter.

plus those particular hams were going through my mail so that anything I tried
to mail out that they didn't like wouldn't get mailed while I thought that it
was mailed. I had only found out much later that they were doing that.

and they had also tapped my phone in a way so that when I called some place,
they were the ones that recieved the call and pretended to be the place I was
calling, when they wanted to, so that my calls never got through to any actual
places that I was calling when they didn't want them to.

Plus the paid off the local judges here to rule in their favor.

I know that's not supposed to happen with judges (conflict of interest), but as
I found out the hard waty, in real life it does hapen.

I would call all three of those "criminal activities"

although those particular hams were also guilty of committing much more serious
criminal activity than that.

And no, I wasn't being paranoid about it. I didn't even find out about it until
much later. And no, I'm not paranoid about it. I'm not worried about them.

They were just a few , I want to call them jerks, stupid, or idiots, but they
weren't and aren't any of those. They were very smart and intelligent to be
able to pull off all they were able to pull off. They were also very smart and
intelligent at making "catch 22" situations for other people to be caught in.

so calling them just a few morons won't work, either, since they definitely
were not morons.

They were just a few very intelligent people who were involved in committing
serious crimes and experts at getting away with it.

sort of like the fictional "Lionel Luthor" on the tv series "Smallville". I
think that's the best way to describe them.

If you have ANY proof, evidence or data linking these guys to ANY of the
activities you're claiming, then you'd damn well better get on it with the FCC,
the FBI and anyone else who'll listen. I think having a ham license wrongfully
denied you is NOTHING compared to wiretapping, mail tampering and obstruction
of justice/bribery of the bench.
Unless you have no proof of these crimes having taken place.
Either way, I think you may be a bit paranoid indeed if you "know" they've done
these wholly illegal things to you, but haven't sought justice.
So, where's the evidence of all this incredibly criminal activity that requires
more than a handful of hams to pull off?

It's my understanding that the FCC can't do anything about it becaue that
wasn't an on-air violation. It would be a civil matter.

I know that's not right, because just north of me, three VE's got their
licenses revoked permanently, and fines of $10,000 each, for fixing test
results, taking bribes to give licenses without exams, altering/disregarding
legal exam content and requirements, denying deserving applicants with their
legal licenses, granting extra class status to non-extra deserving licensees,
and many other illegal activities associated with their status as Volunteer
Examiners. They didn't do a thing 'over-the-air' that was illegal, but the FCC
absolutely had the jurisdiction and authority to investigate the claims and
throw them out.
If you do have evidence of any of this, you are obligated (in my view) to lay
it out, and put these folks away. If you don't have proof, stop crying the same
mournful tune and let it go.
Linus

If you have ANY proof, evidence or data linking these guys to ANY of the
activities you're claiming, then you'd damn well better get on it with the
FCC,
the FBI and anyone else who'll liste

ho hum. the ham meetings at the time were in a room right next to the FBI's rom
in the same building.

The ham radio operators were friends with the FBI people.

They were able to either get their FBI friends to do illegal activiities with
them (unlikely) or were able to get their FBI friends to approve the hams doing
the illegal activities they wanted to do (more likely) which then would make it
legal since it was approved by the FBI.

Reporting those particular ham radio operator's abuses to some other place
today, such as the CIa or DOJ won't do any good since today the FBI, CIA, DOJ
and others are all part of the same security agency since Bush combined them
all into one.

They look out for their own.
I think having a ham license wrongfully
denied you is NOTHING compared to wiretapping, mail tampering and obstruction
of justice/bribery of the bench

I never said it was. I even specifically said "so what if I didn't get my ham
liscence that I should have gotten since I had answered most of the questions
correctly on it.Either way, I think you may be a bit paranoid indeed if you
"know" they've
done
these wholly illegal things to you, but haven't sought justice.

I did seek justice around the time it happened as soon as I aware of it
happening.

They were able to illegally get the judges to rule in their favor by
"obstructing justice" through their ilegal activities.

therefore, the only way that justice will be served is by me exposing the
illegal activities of these particualar ham radio operators by making it public
on the internet here what they have done.

They got away with their illegal crimes and got away with most of the ilegal
stuff that they planned.

They already got away with it. So the only way justice will get served now is
to make it public so that no other innocent person (who hapens to know them)
will get trapped by them like I was.

If you do have evidence of any of this, you are obligated (in my view) to lay
it out, and put these folks away. If you don't have proof, stop crying the
same
mournful tune and let it go.
Linus

ah, but it is illegal to carry out that obligation, becaues to do so, I have to
FULLY expose everything illegal those particular ham radio operators did, and
to FULLY expose everything they did, I also have to expose innocent people who
don't want their names on the internet and who don't want their adresses
revealed on the internet, which is illegal to do without their permission since
they are innocent people.
And no, I'm not able to get their permission to do so.

Just me mentioning the city where it happened, a requirement for proof, and
then later just mentioning the innocent peoples' names in the same proofs
reveals their location and adress by anyone who decides to look it up.

It was already on the news here that judges have ruled it illegal to do such.

Therefore, the closest I can come in a legal way is only partially exposing
them, otherwise innocent people could get hurt.

Changing the innocent peoples' names is considered "fraud" by the judges.

If you have ANY proof, evidence or data linking these guys to ANY of the
activities you're claiming

once I print up my AM bradcast band dx with such a poor radio for AM, you'll
know about the general area I'm in and you'll be able to find out for yourself
that the ham radio meetings were held right next to the FBI back in the
mid-80's to late 80's.

Everything I said was true to the best of my knowledge.

o, where's the evidence of all this incredibly criminal activity that
requires
more than a handful of hams to pull off?

that's another thing you got wrong. I NEVER said that it required more than a
handful of hams to pull off. As a matter of fact, I said just the opposite.
I said that it was only a few hams who did it.

although there were also some non-hams involved.

that's another thing you got wrong. I NEVER said that it required more than a
handful of hams to pull off. As a matter of fact, I said just the opposite.

I said that it was only a few hams who did it

*I* never said you said it. I'm saying that it *DOES* take more than a few hams
to pull off the numerous things you claim happened, whether you believe it or
not. And I'm not saying I don't believe you, but I think to cry foul but not
pursue the criminals is bad for you and me. Posting vague hints at the location
of the perpetrators online is hardly the way to go about busting people who are
doing some pretty terrible things.
But if you don't really care about the license thing (which, we agree, is not
the biggest problem among the crimes committed) then it's none of my business
if you can't/dont want to actually help others by exposing criminals.
You came on here talking about some pretty bad stuff that happened to you, a
number of posts on the same topic, and I found it to be important and wanted to
know more, or at least encourage you to gather the right evidence and see if
you couldn't help others with your story and put away these guys who flaunt the
law.
But you don't seem to be able to come up with any good reason to do anything
more than state the claim, then explain why you couldn't do anything about it
then, or now, and how trying to seek justice would hurt innocent people.
It's all up to you, I just know that if I had experienced the same things you
claim to have experienced, I would have done whatever it took to get them out
of there. Not better than you, just a different view of things, I guess.
I live in an area where a number of people who are victimized by similar crimes
as you have stated, either stop pursuing justice when it gets the littlest bit
tricky, or never bother at all, with the attitude that 'Well, I made my
complaint and if they don't get back to me, they're all a good-ol-boy network
anyway and there's no such thing as 'fair' for the little guy'... and I don't
want to get innocent people in trouble"...
and it's a lame attitude to have, one which I think is bad for the community.
It weakens the very systems we rely on to serve us.
But whatever. I'm sincerely sorry that this stuff happened to you, and wouldn't
wish it on anyone else. I just want to see the jerks get theirs for abusing
their priveledge of serving you and me.

Linus

or were able to get their FBI friends to approve the hams doing
the illegal activities they wanted to do (more likely) which then would make
it
legal since it was approved by the FBI.

Well, your understanding of what constitutes illegality is in need of repair.
Just because some field office of FBI guys tells their good-ol-boy friends that
they'll look the other way if they do something wrong, DOESN'T make the crime
any less of a crime. It's illegal, and those FBI guys are breaking the law. The
FBI, try though some of them might, cannot rewrite the law whenever they see
fit.

Reporting those particular ham radio operator's abuses to some other place
today, such as the CIa or DOJ won't do any good since today the FBI, CIA, DOJ
and others are all part of the same security agency since Bush combined them

So you're saying that all of these agencies are going to protect their own and
ignore complaints? You sound like some of the folks in my area...

I never said it was. I even specifically said "so what if I didn't get my ham
liscence that I should have gotten since I had answered most of the questions
correctly on it.

I *didn't say* you thought the license was more important than the other stuff.
I merely said *I* felt that way. I think you are paranoid, or don't read
terribly well.


They were able to illegally get the judges to rule in their favor by
"obstructing justice" through their ilegal activities.

So another crime took place. Did you try to seek justice for THAT one?

therefore, the only way that justice will be served is by me exposing the
illegal activities of these particualar ham radio operators by making it
public
on the internet here what they have done.

Did you post a link to some website where you actually name names, give
evidence, etc.? Because if you did, I missed it... and without doing something
along those lines, you're hardly threatening those jerks with any kind of
come-uppance that they so richly deserve for screwing you over.
How is anyone going to be helped to avoid these guys if they don't know whom to
avoid?

Linus

ah, but it is illegal to carry out that obligation, becaues to do so, I have
to
FULLY expose everything illegal those particular ham radio operators did, and
to FULLY expose everything they did, I also have to expose innocent people
who
don't want their names on the
internet and who don't want their adresses
revealed on the internet, which is illegal to do without their permission
since
they are innocent people.

The only reason you think this is because you are under impression that at this
point the internet is the only option you have. It isn't, never was. You don't
NEED to post names and addresses of innocent people anywhere. People you're not
charging shouldn't be worried about anything, if they're innocent.

Changing the innocent peoples' names is considered "fraud" by the judges.


Well, I don't know what shows you've been watching, but changing the names to
protect the innocent is a long-standing practice, hardly frowned upon by
anyone.

once I print up my AM bradcast band dx with such a poor radio for AM, you'll
know about the general area I'm in and you'll be able to find out for
yourself
that the ham radio meetings were held right next to the FBI

Not a terribly helpful start, but at least you're trying this far.

Everything I said was true to the best of my knowledge.

I've not claimed otherwise. Never called you a liar, I believe this stuff
happened to you.
I just don't get why you think some of the things you think, about how the law
works and who makes the laws, about how the system works.
Linus