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"-=jd=-" wrote in message ... Somehow, I don't see the protestations from SW preachers (in general) as being very effective towards stopping BPL... I almost think that may only serve to speed it's implementation! g -=jd=- I do think the politicians would listen to the National Association of Religious Broadcasters, or whatever they call themselves. Frank Dresser |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message ... Nor does he have a clue about how people choose to spend their money. For example he mentions that there is good market potential since 80% of the internet users are still on dial up. He seems to think that they will switch to BPL. But let's look at why they are on dial up. It is cost. Dial up is still the cheapest access and it will be cheaper than the projected cost for BPL. Unless they can get much closer to dial up in price, most will NOT switch. There's a dial up service around here that is only about $10 per month. Even the most expensive dial up in this area tops out at $20 per month. BPL won't be able to snag a major share of the dial users no matter what anyone would like to believe assuming their projected costs are accurate. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE That's another good point. I think $30 bucks a month might attract alot of buyers to BPL, but it's still not low enough for cheapskates such as myself. I do think the likely number of buyers is researchable, but reporters don't always do research. Since the number is unspecified, I'll assume the BPL folk didn't bring up this fundamental issue in their press release. The finanical press usually has a disclaimer at the end of their columns. Something like "Our columnist owns no stock or any other interest in the company". That's nice, but it would be more informative to the reader if the disclaimer said "Our columinist has done no research for this column beyond reading the press releases of the company". Frank Dresser |
"-=jd=-" wrote in message ... Oh - I thought the poster intimated the "less than mainstream" SW preachers, ala "Profit Stair", etc. -=jd=- I suppose he was, but I'm thinking of the all the religious broadcasters who've set up shop on the SW bands in the last 20 years or so. They have demonstrated a measure of political clout in that the old rules against domestic SW broadcasting are now freely ignored. These guys have a significant investment to protect, particularly those guys who buy another 100 kW transmitter every 18 months or so. Frank Dresser |
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On 09 Jun 2004 20:05:36 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote: Now, I do not expect the FCC to investigate every CB'er messing up TV reception, but I would expect them to eagerly investigate complaints from any public safety related organization. If they don't, shame on them. In the current political climate that public safety organizations should be able to invoke homeland security concerns to bolster their side of the debate -- inability to coordinate evacuations, etc. |
"-=jd=-" wrote in message ... On Fri 11 Jun 2004 04:58:29p, "-=jd=-" wrote in message : On Fri 11 Jun 2004 04:46:24p, "Frank Dresser" wrote in message : "-=jd=-" wrote in message ... Oh - I thought the poster intimated the "less than mainstream" SW preachers, ala "Profit Stair", etc. -=jd=- I suppose he was, but I'm thinking of the all the religious broadcasters who've set up shop on the SW bands in the last 20 years or so. They have demonstrated a measure of political clout in that the old rules against domestic SW broadcasting are now freely ignored. These guys have a significant investment to protect, particularly those guys who buy another 100 kW transmitter every 18 months or so. Frank Dresser Wholly-Cow! They must be realizing a fair bit of success when they "pass the plate". -=jd=- Now I'm trying to google up the price of a 100kw xmitter without much success.. -=jd=- -- My Current Disposable Email: (Remove YOUR HAT to reply directly) Well over a million jd and probably more like 2-5mil -- 73 and good DXing. Brian ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A lot of radios and 100' of rusty wire! Zumbrota, Southern MN Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianehill/ |
"-=jd=-" wrote in message ... Wholly-Cow! They must be realizing a fair bit of success when they "pass the plate". -=jd=- Some of the broadcasters are pretty ambitious. WYFR bought several about 20 years ago. Then it was WWCR. WWRB already has five transmitters. I haven't heard as much of WWRB since Alex Jones moved to WWCR, but I imagine Dave Frantz might have had something to say about BPL. This time last year, he was talking about HAARP causing all those tornadoes and the evils of Satan's World Wide Web. Frank Dresser |
"-=jd=-" wrote in message ... On Fri 11 Jun 2004 05:40:28p, "Brian Hill" wrote in message : "-=jd=-" wrote in message ... On Fri 11 Jun 2004 04:58:29p, "-=jd=-" wrote in message : On Fri 11 Jun 2004 04:46:24p, "Frank Dresser" wrote in message : "-=jd=-" wrote in message ... Oh - I thought the poster intimated the "less than mainstream" SW preachers, ala "Profit Stair", etc. -=jd=- I suppose he was, but I'm thinking of the all the religious broadcasters who've set up shop on the SW bands in the last 20 years or so. They have demonstrated a measure of political clout in that the old rules against domestic SW broadcasting are now freely ignored. These guys have a significant investment to protect, particularly those guys who buy another 100 kW transmitter every 18 months or so. Frank Dresser Wholly-Cow! They must be realizing a fair bit of success when they "pass the plate". -=jd=- Now I'm trying to google up the price of a 100kw xmitter without much success.. -=jd=- -- My Current Disposable Email: (Remove YOUR HAT to reply directly) Well over a million jd and probably more like 2-5mil Even with amortization, that's a fair chunk of cake to have to realize every payment period when your revenue stream is somewhat reliant upon shortwave evangelists. They must have more listeners than you would think at first blush - Check that - "contributing" listeners... -=jd=- People give great amounts of their income to fund the churches they beleive in. SW avangelists can have a large audience too I would think just like the ones on TV. They may even cover more ground. It would be interesting to know just what that is. -- 73 and good DXing. Brian ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A lot of radios and 100' of rusty wire! Zumbrota, Southern MN Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianehill/ |
Pass the plate to modulate the plate?
Regards John Barnard -=jd=- wrote: On Fri 11 Jun 2004 04:46:24p, "Frank Dresser" wrote in message : "-=jd=-" wrote in message ... Oh - I thought the poster intimated the "less than mainstream" SW preachers, ala "Profit Stair", etc. -=jd=- I suppose he was, but I'm thinking of the all the religious broadcasters who've set up shop on the SW bands in the last 20 years or so. They have demonstrated a measure of political clout in that the old rules against domestic SW broadcasting are now freely ignored. These guys have a significant investment to protect, particularly those guys who buy another 100 kW transmitter every 18 months or so. Frank Dresser Wholly-Cow! They must be realizing a fair bit of success when they "pass the plate". -=jd=- -- My Current Disposable Email: (Remove YOUR HAT to reply directly) |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message ... Plus if BPL does "threaten" to enter a market, the DSL and cable guys will drop their prices to keep from losing market share. So I bet they are monitoring this situation closely. The latter already know it is price that keeps some people from switching from dial-up. Just look at some of the recent ads on TV for their promotions. Cable had been advertising a $29.99 introductory offer and now they are offering a $19.99 introductory offer. DSL and cable know that they have to get close to dial up prices to get the customers. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I was wondering how many people have broadband access, so I googled this up: "A new, national report by comScore Networks indicates broadband Internet access is ready to overtake dial-up access as the top online subscription service in major metro markets in the United States. " ""In the past several months, we've seen the U.S. online population reach 150 million people, and household broadband penetration cross the 33 percent threshold," said Russ Fradin, executive vice president of comScore Networks. "Now we've recorded another milestone, with broadband accounting for more than half of U.S. major market Internet connections."" If the story is correct, half of the internet users have broadband access where it's widely available, and a third of the country has it. Roughly 50 million people in the US have broadband access. http://www.ectnews.com/story/33108.html The story doesn't mention dropping price as much of a driving force in the expansion of broadband, but I don't see how it can't be considered as the main reason. SBC here runs promotional offers with the first few months of DSL broadband for little more than the cost of dial up. Of course, the price goes up after the promotional period ends. Anyway, there seems to be a wide interest in broadband, as long as it's offered at an attractive price. Frank Dresser |
"-=jd=-" wrote in message ... Even with amortization, that's a fair chunk of cake to have to realize every payment period when your revenue stream is somewhat reliant upon shortwave evangelists. They must have more listeners than you would think at first blush - Check that - "contributing" listeners... -=jd=- I don't know if all the activity on the US domestic SW scene means there are actually many people contributing or even listening. Some of the religious broadcasters who set up their own transmitters do it as a part of their ministry and cover the costs themselves. Harold Camping made a fortune before he set up WYFR and the Christian Scientists have had a long term commitment to journalism and broadcasting, so their SW operation was a good fit. If I recall, The Assemblies of Yahweh pays for WMLK, and they recently bought an 250kW ex-BBC transmitter. Alot of the people who get on the radio just want to get on the radio. At a ballpark price of about a dollar a minute, it's affordable to them. I think the big time shows, such as Brother Stair and James Lloyd are largely funded by big contributors. I seem to recall that Brother Stair once got a contribution of over a million dollars. Alex Jones has said that his SW show is funded by the sale of water filters and such. I think the percentage of radios sold that have SW is probably the best indication of the number of SWL's. Frank Dresser |
"Frank Dresser" wrote in message I think the percentage of radios sold that have SW is probably the best indication of the number of SWL's. Frank Dresser I don't know? I don't diagree but I've never bought a brand new SW radio. -- 73 and good DXing. Brian ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A lot of radios and 100' of rusty wire! Zumbrota, Southern MN Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianehill/ |
Excuse me for butting into an interesting discussion. As the originator of
this string heading, I just wanted to say that I hope no one loses sight of the original message that prompted my post. That was the one from "yea right" who wrote in his message ... "If you value radio, this may be the last and only chance to have your voice heard to stop BPL from destroying your hobby. The FCC has extended the comment period for BPL. It is VERY simple to file a FCC comment. Click the link below and enter 03-104 in box #1 (proceeding number) and fill in the blanks. The simplest way to comment is to type your comment into the box on the bottom of the form. http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi " Anyone who has not given the FCC their input, should (you too, Frank). AK wrote in message ... On 09 Jun 2004 20:05:36 GMT, "-=jd=-" wrote: Now, I do not expect the FCC to investigate every CB'er messing up TV reception, but I would expect them to eagerly investigate complaints from any public safety related organization. If they don't, shame on them. In the current political climate that public safety organizations should be able to invoke homeland security concerns to bolster their side of the debate -- inability to coordinate evacuations, etc. |
Excuse me for butting into an interesting discussion. As the originator of
this string heading, I just wanted to say that I hope no one loses sight of the original message that prompted my post. That was the one from "yea right" who wrote in his message ... "If you value radio, this may be the last and only chance to have your voice heard to stop BPL from destroying your hobby. The FCC has extended the comment period for BPL. It is VERY simple to file a FCC comment. Click the link below and enter 03-104 in box #1 (proceeding number) and fill in the blanks. The simplest way to comment is to type your comment into the box on the bottom of the form. http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi " Anyone who has not given the FCC their input, should (you too, Frank). AK "John Barnard" wrote in message ... Pass the plate to modulate the plate? Regards John Barnard -=jd=- wrote: On Fri 11 Jun 2004 04:46:24p, "Frank Dresser" wrote in message : "-=jd=-" wrote in message ... Oh - I thought the poster intimated the "less than mainstream" SW preachers, ala "Profit Stair", etc. -=jd=- I suppose he was, but I'm thinking of the all the religious broadcasters who've set up shop on the SW bands in the last 20 years or so. They have demonstrated a measure of political clout in that the old rules against domestic SW broadcasting are now freely ignored. These guys have a significant investment to protect, particularly those guys who buy another 100 kW transmitter every 18 months or so. Frank Dresser Wholly-Cow! They must be realizing a fair bit of success when they "pass the plate". -=jd=- -- My Current Disposable Email: (Remove YOUR HAT to reply directly) |
Excuse me for butting into an interesting discussion. As the originator of
this string heading, I just wanted to say that I hope no one loses sight of the original message that prompted my post. That was the one from "yea right" who wrote in his message ... "If you value radio, this may be the last and only chance to have your voice heard to stop BPL from destroying your hobby. The FCC has extended the comment period for BPL. It is VERY simple to file a FCC comment. Click the link below and enter 03-104 in box #1 (proceeding number) and fill in the blanks. The simplest way to comment is to type your comment into the box on the bottom of the form. http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi " Anyone who has not given the FCC their input, should (you too, Frank). AK "JJ" wrote in message ... Clair J. Robinson wrote: Bob Miller wrote: I'm sure some of our right-wing preachers that have taken to the shortwaves could mount good letter-writing campaigns, should their broadcasts be drowned out by BPL :-) Bob k5qwg Don't forget that those right-wing preachers and all other US short-wave broadcasters are licensed to broadcast to foreign locations only. I guess those 800 numbers are for use in the Caribbean and Canada. Sure, that has to be the case. 73, CJ K0CJ You mean if I pick up their broadcast here in the US then that makes them illegal? |
Excuse me for butting into an interesting discussion. As the originator of
this string heading, I just wanted to say that I hope no one loses sight of the original message that prompted my post. That was the one from "yea right" who wrote in his message ... "If you value radio, this may be the last and only chance to have your voice heard to stop BPL from destroying your hobby. The FCC has extended the comment period for BPL. It is VERY simple to file a FCC comment. Click the link below and enter 03-104 in box #1 (proceeding number) and fill in the blanks. The simplest way to comment is to type your comment into the box on the bottom of the form. http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi " Anyone who has not given the FCC their input, should (you too, Frank). AK "Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message ... Plus if BPL does "threaten" to enter a market, the DSL and cable guys will drop their prices to keep from losing market share. So I bet they are monitoring this situation closely. The latter already know it is price that keeps some people from switching from dial-up. Just look at some of the recent ads on TV for their promotions. Cable had been advertising a $29.99 introductory offer and now they are offering a $19.99 introductory offer. DSL and cable know that they have to get close to dial up prices to get the customers. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I was wondering how many people have broadband access, so I googled this up: "A new, national report by comScore Networks indicates broadband Internet access is ready to overtake dial-up access as the top online subscription service in major metro markets in the United States. " ""In the past several months, we've seen the U.S. online population reach 150 million people, and household broadband penetration cross the 33 percent threshold," said Russ Fradin, executive vice president of comScore Networks. "Now we've recorded another milestone, with broadband accounting for more than half of U.S. major market Internet connections."" If the story is correct, half of the internet users have broadband access where it's widely available, and a third of the country has it. Roughly 50 million people in the US have broadband access. http://www.ectnews.com/story/33108.html The story doesn't mention dropping price as much of a driving force in the expansion of broadband, but I don't see how it can't be considered as the main reason. SBC here runs promotional offers with the first few months of DSL broadband for little more than the cost of dial up. Of course, the price goes up after the promotional period ends. Anyway, there seems to be a wide interest in broadband, as long as it's offered at an attractive price. Frank Dresser |
"Brian Hill" wrote in message ... I don't know? I don't diagree but I've never bought a brand new SW radio. -- 73 and good DXing. Brian But most listeners listen in on recently manufactured radios. Radio sales aren't a perfect indication of the number of SWLs, of course. The boom in sales of microprocessor controlled digital radios in the 90s, was probably a mixed indication of new listeners and established listeners upgrading. SW radio sales are way down now, but that might be another mixed indication of reduce interest and listeners who are satisfied with their current radio(s). But overall, I do think radio sales are a better indication of the number of listeners than the number of new transmitters or the money the shortwave broadcasters have. The shortwave broadcaster money might be a better indicator of the number of paranoid or senile monied people we have here in the US. Ideally, a good pollster could come up with a better number. That is, if the SWLs can be convinced that the poll isn't part of the New World Order. Frank Dresser |
"AK" wrote in message news:iDFyc.24732$0y.9613@attbi_s03... Excuse me for butting into an interesting discussion. As the originator of this string heading, I just wanted to say that I hope no one loses sight of the original message that prompted my post. That was the one from "yea right" who wrote in his message ... [snip] Yep, they got it, and I got the confirmation. Frank Dresser |
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"Frank Dresser" wrote: "AK" wrote in message news:QdQxc.26209$Sw.14324@attbi_s51... [snip] I doubt the "benefits millions" bit, but will the FCC restrict amateur radio if it interferes with big-business political contributors' operations ? Of course it will. ak OK -- I'll go through it. If BPL works as promised, it will benefit millions. The BPL folk promise high speed internet access at under $30.00 a month. Snip Most of the country has a $26.95 promotion for DSL from SBC and Extreme DSL et cetera. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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Excuse me for butting into an interesting discussion. As the originator of this string heading, I just wanted to say that I hope no one loses sight of the original message that prompted my post. I filed a complaint. We'll have to wait and see what happens after the election. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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wrote: AK wrote: Excuse me for butting into an interesting discussion. As the originator of this string heading, I just wanted to say that I hope no one loses sight of the original message that prompted my post. I filed a complaint. We'll have to wait and see what happens after the election. What has the election have to do with the complaint? -- Telamon Ventura, California |
"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , starman wrote: AK wrote: Excuse me for butting into an interesting discussion. As the originator of this string heading, I just wanted to say that I hope no one loses sight of the original message that prompted my post. I filed a complaint. We'll have to wait and see what happens after the election. What has the election have to do with the complaint? Possibly whether Michael Powell still has a job after January? |
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"Brenda Ann Dyer" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , starman wrote: AK wrote: Excuse me for butting into an interesting discussion. As the originator of this string heading, I just wanted to say that I hope no one loses sight of the original message that prompted my post. I filed a complaint. We'll have to wait and see what happens after the election. What has the election have to do with the complaint? Possibly whether Michael Powell still has a job after January? I thought he was appointed to a term so it does not matter at this point who is elected. Is this correct? -- Telamon Ventura, California |
"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "Brenda Ann Dyer" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , starman wrote: AK wrote: Excuse me for butting into an interesting discussion. As the originator of this string heading, I just wanted to say that I hope no one loses sight of the original message that prompted my post. I filed a complaint. We'll have to wait and see what happens after the election. What has the election have to do with the complaint? Possibly whether Michael Powell still has a job after January? I thought he was appointed to a term so it does not matter at this point who is elected. Is this correct? Most appointees can be fired, can they not? I believe the only exceptions are judges (and even they can be fired under the right circumstances) |
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"Brenda Ann Dyer" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "Brenda Ann Dyer" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , starman wrote: AK wrote: Excuse me for butting into an interesting discussion. As the originator of this string heading, I just wanted to say that I hope no one loses sight of the original message that prompted my post. I filed a complaint. We'll have to wait and see what happens after the election. What has the election have to do with the complaint? Possibly whether Michael Powell still has a job after January? I thought he was appointed to a term so it does not matter at this point who is elected. Is this correct? Most appointees can be fired, can they not? I believe the only exceptions are judges (and even they can be fired under the right circumstances) I was under the impression that unless something extraordinary occurred Powell would serve out his term regardless of who was elected. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "Brenda Ann Dyer" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "Brenda Ann Dyer" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , starman wrote: AK wrote: Excuse me for butting into an interesting discussion. As the originator of this string heading, I just wanted to say that I hope no one loses sight of the original message that prompted my post. I filed a complaint. We'll have to wait and see what happens after the election. What has the election have to do with the complaint? Possibly whether Michael Powell still has a job after January? I thought he was appointed to a term so it does not matter at this point who is elected. Is this correct? Most appointees can be fired, can they not? I believe the only exceptions are judges (and even they can be fired under the right circumstances) I was under the impression that unless something extraordinary occurred Powell would serve out his term regardless of who was elected. Cabinet positions are appointees. They go when the new administration takes over. Can't see why an FCC appointment would be any different. I sure hope he can be fired at any rate.. he's bad news to say the least. |
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"Brenda Ann Dyer" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "Brenda Ann Dyer" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "Brenda Ann Dyer" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , starman wrote: AK wrote: Excuse me for butting into an interesting discussion. As the originator of this string heading, I just wanted to say that I hope no one loses sight of the original message that prompted my post. I filed a complaint. We'll have to wait and see what happens after the election. What has the election have to do with the complaint? Possibly whether Michael Powell still has a job after January? I thought he was appointed to a term so it does not matter at this point who is elected. Is this correct? Most appointees can be fired, can they not? I believe the only exceptions are judges (and even they can be fired under the right circumstances) I was under the impression that unless something extraordinary occurred Powell would serve out his term regardless of who was elected. Cabinet positions are appointees. They go when the new administration takes over. Can't see why an FCC appointment would be any different. I sure hope he can be fired at any rate.. he's bad news to say the least. I think most people reading this newsgroup would wish Bush would fire him myself included. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "Brenda Ann Dyer" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "Brenda Ann Dyer" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "Brenda Ann Dyer" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , starman wrote: AK wrote: Excuse me for butting into an interesting discussion. As the originator of this string heading, I just wanted to say that I hope no one loses sight of the original message that prompted my post. I filed a complaint. We'll have to wait and see what happens after the election. What has the election have to do with the complaint? Possibly whether Michael Powell still has a job after January? I thought he was appointed to a term so it does not matter at this point who is elected. Is this correct? Most appointees can be fired, can they not? I believe the only exceptions are judges (and even they can be fired under the right circumstances) I was under the impression that unless something extraordinary occurred Powell would serve out his term regardless of who was elected. Cabinet positions are appointees. They go when the new administration takes over. Can't see why an FCC appointment would be any different. I sure hope he can be fired at any rate.. he's bad news to say the least. I think most people reading this newsgroup would wish Bush would fire him myself included. We at least agree on that, if nothing else. |
Brenda Ann Dyer wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , starman wrote: AK wrote: Excuse me for butting into an interesting discussion. As the originator of this string heading, I just wanted to say that I hope no one loses sight of the original message that prompted my post. I filed a complaint. We'll have to wait and see what happens after the election. What has the election have to do with the complaint? Possibly whether Michael Powell still has a job after January? Powell has a job until June 30, 2007 unless he does something really stupid which can be used to remove him from the position. A Kerry administration would tell Powell what their policy is regarding BPL. Hopefully they would be against it. Powell would then be expected to comply with the Presidents wishes (as he has for Bush) or face some rough times ahead. This raises an interesting question for some on this group. Would you vote for Bush if you knew that a Kerry administration would stop BPL? -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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