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Larry Weil June 23rd 04 10:39 PM

In article , "Ken Finney" wrote:


In my opinion, Air America NEVER intended to be a success (not that
they wouldn't mind being so). The new campaign finance laws exempt
"media" (or words to that effect) from the law. So, you set up a "network",
unabashedly attack on of the parties, and then shut the operation down
after the election.


Ya mean like the NRA is trying to do? ducking

--
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH


Ken Finney June 24th 04 01:43 AM


"Larry Weil" wrote in message
...
In article , "Ken Finney"

wrote:


In my opinion, Air America NEVER intended to be a success (not that
they wouldn't mind being so). The new campaign finance laws exempt
"media" (or words to that effect) from the law. So, you set up a

"network",
unabashedly attack on of the parties, and then shut the operation down
after the election.


Ya mean like the NRA is trying to do? ducking


Funny thing, I heard a lot of NRA bashing on NPR last weekend
over this "loophole" in the law, I've never heard any Air America
bashing on NPR over this "loophole".





Christopher C. Stacy June 24th 04 01:43 AM

On 23 Jun 2004 21:39:59 GMT, Larry Weil ("Larry") writes:

Larry In article , "Ken Finney" wrote:

In my opinion, Air America NEVER intended to be a success (not that
they wouldn't mind being so). The new campaign finance laws exempt
"media" (or words to that effect) from the law. So, you set up a "network",
unabashedly attack on of the parties, and then shut the operation down
after the election.


Larry Ya mean like the NRA is trying to do? ducking

What media network is the NRA running that they intend as a sham
to get around campaign finance laws and then shut down next year?
I haven't heard of this until you mentioned it.


T. Early June 24th 04 05:58 AM


"Ken Finney" wrote in message
...

"Larry Weil" wrote in message
...
In article , "Ken Finney"

wrote:


In my opinion, Air America NEVER intended to be a success (not

that
they wouldn't mind being so). The new campaign finance laws

exempt
"media" (or words to that effect) from the law. So, you set up a

"network",
unabashedly attack on of the parties, and then shut the operation

down
after the election.


Ya mean like the NRA is trying to do? ducking


Funny thing, I heard a lot of NRA bashing on NPR last weekend
over this "loophole" in the law, I've never heard any Air America
bashing on NPR over this "loophole".


Excellent point, and, speaking of Air America and NPR, shouldn't there
be a place at Air America for Terry Gross?




RHF June 24th 04 09:26 PM

= = = "Ken Finney" wrote in message
= = = ...
"Larry Weil" wrote in message
...
In article , "Ken Finney"

wrote:


In my opinion, Air America NEVER intended to be a success (not that
they wouldn't mind being so). The new campaign finance laws exempt
"media" (or words to that effect) from the law. So, you set up a

"network",
unabashedly attack on of the parties, and then shut the operation down
after the election.


Ya mean like the NRA is trying to do? ducking


Funny thing, I heard a lot of NRA bashing on NPR last weekend
over this "loophole" in the law, I've never heard any Air America
bashing on NPR over this "loophole".



KF - Why, Isn't NPR 'fair' and 'balanced' ? [NOT!] ~ RHF

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Elwood P Dowd June 24th 04 09:54 PM

hate it! but it couldn't happen to nicer bunch of demoNAZIS
"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Al Dykes wrote:

In article ,
dxAce wrote:


Al Dykes wrote:

In article ,
dxAce wrote:


Frank Dresser wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
...
Story on Drudge says Air America is strapped for cash, and had

less than
they claimed when they started. Looks like maybe the check for

Chicago did
bounce.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm

Actually, the check never had a chance to bounce. Arthur Liu at
Multicultural was told the check was stopped, so he shouldn't even

bother
depositing it.

Matt Drudge has been taking a pointed interest in the Air America

story,
possibly because some numbnut at Air America wrote the infamous

"Liu-ser"
article ridiculing Drudge and Liu.

"The WALL STREET JOURNAL reports on Monday: Several employees say

they still
haven't been reimbursed for the costs of attending the New York

launch."
"Many of Air America's investors and executives say they thought

the network
had raised more than $30 million, based on assurances from its

owners,
Guam-based entrepreneurs Evan M. Cohen and Rex Sorensen."

"In fact, Air America had raised only $6 million, Mr. Cohen

concedes"

What were the investors thinking about, just before the network

started up?
Were they throwing their money into the Democratic party? The

"Tyco
Birthday Party"?

"On March 30, the night before Air America went on the air, the

liberal
radio network threw itself a $70,000 party at Manhattan's hip

Maritime
Hotel."

This story isn't new but it does add some details to the known

problems Air
America's management had. They announced a possible deal with new

investors
over a month ago. I have no idea how that's going.

Air America may have been started up by incompetent businessmen,

but they
have shown there's a market for that kind of radio. If they can't

do it
right, somebody else will.

Hardly... if there was indeed a market, then they would not be in

the financial
mess they appear to be in.

They'd be raking in the dough through advertising.

But they're not, are they?

Maybe they need to take lessons from Rush, Hannity, Boortz, etc.....

now those
guys are making money.

It seems that Fox was $150 million in the red for the first 2 years
of operation. You can't expect them to be turning a profit
in the first 2 months of operation.

Yes, and FOX is a totally different type of operation, is it not?

We're talking radio here...

If there were a market for that type of show the stations would be

breaking down Air
America's door... and they are not.


Fox ran in the red for two years. TV may dig a bigger hole, but it's
still a hole. It's a rare startup company of any tipe that is
profitable in the first year. The Wall Street Journal has a article
about AA on Tuesday that I'm told was overall favorable about their
business model.


It's a rare startup company that begins with the lies and deceit of Air

America!

It's one thing to have a 'business model', and an entirely different thing

if one is not
following it.

Proposals look great on paper, it's what is put into practice that finally

tells the
tale.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm






21C BBS June 25th 04 02:24 AM

Within these hallowed halls, Larry Weil of added the
following to the collective conscience:
In article , "Ken Finney"
wrote:


In my opinion, Air America NEVER intended to be a success (not that
they wouldn't mind being so). The new campaign finance laws exempt
"media" (or words to that effect) from the law. So, you set up a
"network", unabashedly attack on of the parties, and then shut the
operation down after the election.


Ya mean like the NRA is trying to do? ducking


Naw, they'd just shoot their mouths off.

Come on, someone had to say it. ;-)



21C BBS June 25th 04 02:24 AM

Within these hallowed halls, T. Early of
added the following to the collective conscience:
"Ken Finney" wrote in message
...

"Larry Weil" wrote in message
...
In article , "Ken Finney"

wrote:


In my opinion, Air America NEVER intended to be a success (not that
they wouldn't mind being so). The new campaign finance laws exempt
"media" (or words to that effect) from the law. So, you set up a
"network", unabashedly attack on of the parties, and then shut the
operation down after the election.

Ya mean like the NRA is trying to do? ducking


Funny thing, I heard a lot of NRA bashing on NPR last weekend
over this "loophole" in the law, I've never heard any Air America
bashing on NPR over this "loophole".


Excellent point, and, speaking of Air America and NPR, shouldn't there
be a place at Air America for Terry Gross?


I always thought, shouldn't there be a place at NPR for Air America? I
know, wherever I've lived, there being at least half a dozen Public FMs
(88.1-91.9) that could take some of AA's broadcast day.



Mark Jeffries June 25th 04 02:24 AM

"Ken Finney" wrote in message ...
"Larry Weil" wrote in message
...
In article , "Ken Finney"

wrote:


In my opinion, Air America NEVER intended to be a success (not that
they wouldn't mind being so). The new campaign finance laws exempt
"media" (or words to that effect) from the law. So, you set up a

"network",
unabashedly attack on of the parties, and then shut the operation down
after the election.


Ya mean like the NRA is trying to do? ducking


Funny thing, I heard a lot of NRA bashing on NPR last weekend
over this "loophole" in the law, I've never heard any Air America
bashing on NPR over this "loophole".


Perhaps because Air America has every intent to remain in
business--they just happened to come on the air during an election
campaign.

Perhaps you can tell us what your problem with the First Amendment is.


Rich Wood June 25th 04 04:16 PM


In my opinion, Air America NEVER intended to be a success (not that
they wouldn't mind being so). The new campaign finance laws exempt
"media" (or words to that effect) from the law. So, you set up a "network",
unabashedly attack on of the parties, and then shut the operation down
after the election.


This kind of theory is interesting but pretty far-fetched. It's much
simpler than that. Awesomely bad management with a truly faulty
business model. It's that simple.

I think it was a bunch of cocky TV "radio can't be very hard" people
who came to realize that lying about their bank account and ridiculing
the head of the two major markets they needed the most wasn't the best
approach.

If Rush Limbaugh, with 600+ stations, can't influence an election, Air
America with 6 isn't going to have much better luck.

Rich


T. Early June 25th 04 07:04 PM


"Rich Wood" wrote in message
...

In my opinion, Air America NEVER intended to be a success (not that
they wouldn't mind being so). The new campaign finance laws exempt
"media" (or words to that effect) from the law. So, you set up a

"network",
unabashedly attack on of the parties, and then shut the operation

down
after the election.


This kind of theory is interesting but pretty far-fetched. It's much
simpler than that. Awesomely bad management with a truly faulty
business model. It's that simple.

I think it was a bunch of cocky TV "radio can't be very hard" people
who came to realize that lying about their bank account and

ridiculing
the head of the two major markets they needed the most wasn't the

best
approach.

If Rush Limbaugh, with 600+ stations, can't influence an election,

Air
America with 6 isn't going to have much better luck.

Rich


This is not an endorsement of Rush, but I'm not sure I agree with your
premise there. While the Limbaughs of the world perpetually are
preaching to the choir, IMO they are responsible for getting a fair
amount of people to the polls who might otherwise sit home on their
a**. To me, that's at least potentially influencing an election,
particularly a close one.




Ken Finney June 25th 04 07:04 PM


"Mark Jeffries" wrote in message
...
"Ken Finney" wrote in message

...
"Larry Weil" wrote in message
...
In article , "Ken Finney"

wrote:


In my opinion, Air America NEVER intended to be a success (not that
they wouldn't mind being so). The new campaign finance laws exempt
"media" (or words to that effect) from the law. So, you set up a

"network",
unabashedly attack on of the parties, and then shut the operation

down
after the election.

Ya mean like the NRA is trying to do? ducking


Funny thing, I heard a lot of NRA bashing on NPR last weekend
over this "loophole" in the law, I've never heard any Air America
bashing on NPR over this "loophole".


Perhaps because Air America has every intent to remain in
business--they just happened to come on the air during an election
campaign.

Perhaps you can tell us what your problem with the First Amendment is.


I have no problem with the First Amendment. I have just stated that
I believe that the people behind AA have no intention of "making it
a success". Of course, you can't admit that, and will deny it
whenever it comes up.






RHF June 26th 04 05:33 AM

MJ,

"Perhaps you can tell us what your problem with the First Amendment is."
[ One pauses for a Clintonian-Moment . . .
as we attempt to Define what 'is' "IS" ]

Back to the First Amendment - I have NO Problem with the First Amendment.

Because I Believe in the Bill of Rights and All Ten Amendments there-in.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut...lofrights.html

Including the Second Amendment [.]

From My Cold Dead Hands . . .

The Bill of Rights in My Left Hand and My Gun in My Right Hand ~ RHF
..
..
= = = (Mark Jeffries) wrote in message
= = = ...
"Ken Finney" wrote in message ...
"Larry Weil" wrote in message
...
In article , "Ken Finney"

wrote:


In my opinion, Air America NEVER intended to be a success (not that
they wouldn't mind being so). The new campaign finance laws exempt
"media" (or words to that effect) from the law. So, you set up a

"network",
unabashedly attack on of the parties, and then shut the operation down
after the election.

Ya mean like the NRA is trying to do? ducking


Funny thing, I heard a lot of NRA bashing on NPR last weekend
over this "loophole" in the law, I've never heard any Air America
bashing on NPR over this "loophole".


Perhaps because Air America has every intent to remain in
business--they just happened to come on the air during an election
campaign.

Perhaps you can tell us what your problem with the First Amendment is.

..


clifto June 26th 04 05:33 AM

21C BBS wrote:
I always thought, shouldn't there be a place at NPR for Air America? I
know, wherever I've lived, there being at least half a dozen Public FMs
(88.1-91.9) that could take some of AA's broadcast day.


AA is too far right for NPR.

--
Spammers are people who are too lazy and cowardly to rob liquor stores, but
still want to make money by stealing instead of working.
-- Morely Dotes, The Open Sourceror's Apprentice


Rich Wood June 28th 04 03:53 AM

On 26 Jun 2004 04:33:33 GMT, clifto wrote:

AA is too far right for NPR.


Can you document that? FAIR has recently done an analysis of NPR and
came up with figures that clearly dispute your claim. FAIR counts
quite a few more conservatives as guests on NPR than knee-jerk
anti-NPR people are used to complaining about.

I don't recall hearing a single conservative guest on Air America.
That would make Air America much farther left (by their own admission
and promotion) than NPR.

Rich



Paul Jensen June 28th 04 05:38 PM


"Rich Wood" wrote in message
...
On 26 Jun 2004 04:33:33 GMT, clifto wrote:

AA is too far right for NPR.


Can you document that? FAIR has recently done an analysis of NPR and
came up with figures that clearly dispute your claim. FAIR counts
quite a few more conservatives as guests on NPR than knee-jerk
anti-NPR people are used to complaining about.

I don't recall hearing a single conservative guest on Air America.
That would make Air America much farther left (by their own admission
and promotion) than NPR.


I think it was Boortz who said he was on Frankin. He also said never again.




Rich Wood June 29th 04 04:02 AM

On 28 Jun 2004 16:38:10 GMT, "Paul Jensen"
wrote:

I don't recall hearing a single conservative guest on Air America.
That would make Air America much farther left (by their own admission
and promotion) than NPR.


I think it was Boortz who said he was on Frankin. He also said never again.


Why on God's earth would Franken interview another talk show host,
unless the shows were simulcast and Franken could get exposure on
Boortz's stations? Did Boortz do something of news value that almost
required an interview?

Of course "never again." What did Boortz expect? Probably the same
treatment a liberal would get on a conservative show. Two absolutely
immovable objects ranting at each other. Same ol, same ol.

Rich


RHF June 29th 04 04:02 AM

Rich Wood wrote in message ...
On 26 Jun 2004 04:33:33 GMT, clifto wrote:

AA is too far right for NPR.


Can you document that? FAIR has recently done an analysis of NPR and
came up with figures that clearly dispute your claim. FAIR counts
quite a few more conservatives as guests on NPR than knee-jerk
anti-NPR people are used to complaining about.

I don't recall hearing a single conservative guest on Air America.
That would make Air America much farther left (by their own admission
and promotion) than NPR.

Rich


RW,

In the past when former president Clinton was president.
NPR referred to him as President Clinton.

Now what does NPR do when referring to "President Bush"
they use negative omissions and detractive code words:
simply referring to the President as "Bush" or 'mister' "Bush"
and the "Bush" 'administration'.

NPR is the primary propaganda organ for the Liberal Media ELITE [.]

So Say I, My Opinions Stated As Facts ~ RHF

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Tom Betz June 29th 04 04:02 AM

"Paul Jensen" wrote in
:

I think it was Boortz who said he was on Frankin. He also said never
again.


Franken caught Boortz in a lie about having offered Franken to guest-host
Boortz's show (back before AA existed), and saying that Franken had
refused because Boorts wouldn't allow him to control the phone callers.

Franken called Boortz on the lie while on the phone with him, playing the
tape of Boortz lying, then forcing Boortz to admit that he had lied. I
heard the segment. Boortz came off as a lying, blowhard putz.

Of COURSE Boortz said "never again" after that.

--
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Telamon June 29th 04 04:49 AM

In article ,
Tom Betz wrote:

"Paul Jensen" wrote in
:

I think it was Boortz who said he was on Frankin. He also said never
again.


Franken caught Boortz in a lie about having offered Franken to guest-host
Boortz's show (back before AA existed), and saying that Franken had
refused because Boorts wouldn't allow him to control the phone callers.

Franken called Boortz on the lie while on the phone with him, playing the
tape of Boortz lying, then forcing Boortz to admit that he had lied. I
heard the segment. Boortz came off as a lying, blowhard putz.

Of COURSE Boortz said "never again" after that.


Nobody burns their bridges like Franken does. With a 'Tude like that is
anyone going to have him guest host their show or be a guest on their
show.

Newsgroups sniped.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

T. Early June 29th 04 06:36 AM


"Tom Betz" wrote in message
...
"Paul Jensen" wrote in
:

I think it was Boortz who said he was on Frankin. He also said

never
again.


Franken caught Boortz in a lie about having offered Franken to

guest-host
Boortz's show (back before AA existed), and saying that Franken had
refused because Boorts wouldn't allow him to control the phone

callers.

Franken called Boortz on the lie while on the phone with him,

playing the
tape of Boortz lying, then forcing Boortz to admit that he had lied.

I
heard the segment. Boortz came off as a lying, blowhard putz.


Lying, blowhard putz? Speaking of Michael Moore, did you ever pin
down the alleged "lie" by Fred Barnes that had the humor-challenged
all in a tizzy?




Tom Betz June 29th 04 08:41 PM

Quoth "T. Early" in news:cbqv44$t64$1
@xuxa.iecc.com:

Lying, blowhard putz? Speaking of Michael Moore, did you ever pin
down the alleged "lie" by Fred Barnes that had the humor-challenged
all in a tizzy?


Last I heard, Barnes never called Franken back.

--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.


Mark Jeffries June 30th 04 05:32 AM

(RHF) wrote in message ...
In the past when former president Clinton was president.
NPR referred to him as President Clinton.

Now what does NPR do when referring to "President Bush"
they use negative omissions and detractive code words:
simply referring to the President as "Bush" or 'mister' "Bush"
and the "Bush" 'administration'.


Documentation, please--and don't just copy from NewsMax.

The President is generally always referred to in the first reference
as "President ---" and in the second reference as "Mr. ---." That's
basic AP Stylebook.

I did a search on npr.org and found 3,518 pages that have on them
"President Bush." Granted, some of them may refer to George H.W. Bush
and are likely not transcripts of stories that are audio hyperlinked,
but it seems to me that NPR is following basic stylebook on references
to the President.

And at NPR, as at many other journalistic organizations, the President
is always heard last in a story, no matter what party he belongs to.
That's also pretty much Journalism 101.

NPR is the primary propaganda organ for the Liberal Media ELITE [.]


Then why are the extreme left-wing nutsos at FAIR continually
attacking NPR for right-wing bias? Why does Amy Goodman of Pacifica
refer to NPR as part of "corporate media?" Why did I hear a bunch of
hardcore lefties at a forum I once attended *boo* a mention of NPR?

As far as I'm concerned, if the extremist wackos on both sides hate
NPR, they must be doing something right.


Bob Haberkost July 1st 04 01:15 AM


"Mark Jeffries" wrote in message
...
(RHF) wrote in message

...
In the past when former president Clinton was president.
NPR referred to him as President Clinton.

Now what does NPR do when referring to "President Bush"
they use negative omissions and detractive code words:
simply referring to the President as "Bush" or 'mister' "Bush"
and the "Bush" 'administration'.


Just another troll with a bad memory. NPR, and many other news organisations, will
use all three forms just to avoid being repetitive. Regardless of the person or
party holding the office. Same goes for Representatives and Senators. Shheeessshhh!

Could we PLEASE refrain from keeping these useless, wasteful and off-topic threads
(although this one is less so than most of the crap that's been droning on-and-on for
the last two weeks) from bloating this newsgroup? I, and I'm sure quite a bunch
more, would appreciate it! By now you should know who is and who is not worth
engaging. Use that knowledge to do the best thing, which is to just ignore them. Or
put them in your kill file. They can't talk to themselves (although there may be a
few who don't quite meet that criteria, either)!
--
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broken.
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RHF July 1st 04 04:19 PM

= = = (Mark Jeffries) wrote in message
= = = ...
(RHF) wrote in message ...
In the past when former president Clinton was president.
NPR referred to him as President Clinton.

Now what does NPR do when referring to "President Bush"
they use negative omissions and detractive code words:
simply referring to the President as "Bush" or 'mister' "Bush"
and the "Bush" 'administration'.


Documentation, please--and don't just copy from NewsMax.

The President is generally always referred to in the first reference
as "President ---" and in the second reference as "Mr. ---." That's
basic AP Stylebook.

I did a search on npr.org and found 3,518 pages that have on them
"President Bush." Granted, some of them may refer to George H.W. Bush
and are likely not transcripts of stories that are audio hyperlinked,
but it seems to me that NPR is following basic stylebook on references
to the President.

And at NPR, as at many other journalistic organizations, the President
is always heard last in a story, no matter what party he belongs to.
That's also pretty much Journalism 101.

NPR is the primary propaganda organ for the Liberal Media ELITE [.]


Then why are the extreme left-wing nutsos at FAIR continually
attacking NPR for right-wing bias?


MJ,

Because to use your words they are "extreme left-wing nutsos at FAIR"

NPR may be Left-Wing and Liberal but it is not Extreme [.]
..
..
Why does Amy Goodman of Pacifica refer to NPR
as part of "corporate media?"


You feel that NewsMax is not creditable but then cite Pacifica ?
..
..
Why did I hear a bunch of hardcore lefties at
a forum I once attended *boo* a mention of NPR?


Because to use your words they are "hardcore lefties"

TIP - Find a Forum were you fit-in and do NOT view the other
members as either 'extreme' or 'hardcore' Lefties or Righties.
..
..

As far as I'm concerned, if the extremist wackos on both sides hate
NPR, they must be doing something right.


So Two Wrongs Do Make a Right :o) ~ RHF

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Christopher C. Stacy July 2nd 04 10:49 PM

On 2 Jul 2004 14:52:13 GMT, RHF ("RHF") writes:

RHF "Lock and Load the Latest" - New York Times - July 1, 2004
RHF NYT= http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/01/op...01THU4.html?th
RHF The National Rifle Association has begun a three-hour daily
RHF show on satellite radio, a transparent exercise in
RHF propaganda disguised as journalism.

The NRA, an organization that has been in business for over 100 years,
is an established national media outlet which has up till now been
involved in television and magazines (it has more subscribers than,
for example, "Newsweek"). Now they've added issue-oriented radio.

That's different from Air America, whose programming seems to
be entirely devoted to a particular canndidate (George Bush).

The only thing in common is that they are both are engaging in
what is supposed to be the most protected class of free speech.


Diverd4777 July 2nd 04 11:36 PM

Listening to Air America here in NY on WLIB 1190
- Ads for Home Depot, Playboy ( ! ! ! ) Touting the interview with
Michael Moore in The July Issue
Many other ads;
Gets bothersome there are so many..

_ SOOOO....
A Business 101 Graduate could take these
and other ad contracts to the bank,
arrange a line of credit
& keep the whole thing going
Finding advertisers doesn't seem to be a problem for them
Plus
They are on Sirius XM ( Sat radio )
- So they stand to be around for a while



Diverd4777 July 2nd 04 11:53 PM

In article , dxAce
writes:


Aye, there's the rub! There are no Liberal's who do anything whatsoever
competently.


Utter BS, Steve;

Michael Moore has the Highest Grossing Film in The U.S. This week;
- & he's NOT someone you'd call a neocon..


Diverd4777 July 3rd 04 12:10 AM

In article , dxAce
writes:


Aye, there's the rub! There are no Liberal's who do anything whatsoever
competently.


OK Steve, Here's The List..

"
There are no Liberal's who do anything whatsoever
competently.


( GONNNNNGGG ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ;-)


Al Jourgensen
Alec Baldwin
Alyssa Milano
Ani DiFranco
Barbra Streisand
Ben Affleck
Bobby Fischer
Bruce Springsteen
Carlos Santana
Cher
Chrissie Hynde
Danny Glover
Dave Matthews
David Clennon
Dixie Chicks
Dustin Hoffman
Ed Asner
Ed Harris
Edward Norton
Eminem
Eric Roberts
Ethan Hawke
George Carlin
George Clooney
Gore Vidal
Gwyneth Paltrow
Harry Belafonte
Jane Fonda
Janeane Garofalo
Jennifer Aniston
Jessica Lange
Jethro Tull
John Cusack
John Mellencamp
Johnny Depp
Joy Behar
Julia Roberts
Kate Hudson
Larry Hagman
Madonna
Margaret Cho
Martin Scorsese
Martin Sheen
Maynard Keenan
Michael Moore
Mike Farrell
Moby
Oliver Stone
Pearl Jam
Richard Gere
Rickie Lee Jones
Robert Altman
Robin Williams
Sandra Bernhard
Sandy Duncan
Sean Penn
Spike Lee
Susan Sarandon
Tim Robbins
Uma Thurman
Viggo Mortensen
Whoopi Goldberg
Willie Nelson
Woody Harrelson

- Your words, not mine..
Dan


dxAce July 3rd 04 02:50 AM



Diverd4777 wrote:

In article , dxAce
writes:


Aye, there's the rub! There are no Liberal's who do anything whatsoever
competently.


Utter BS, Steve;

Michael Moore has the Highest Grossing Film in The U.S. This week;
- & he's NOT someone you'd call a neocon..


Nope, I'd call him a liar and a fabricator.

This week? I thought perhaps Spiderman was outselling him this week.

At any rate, you are somehow trying to equate $$$ with the truth. Consider
this: StarWars made a lot of money also, but it too had nothing to do with
the truth.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm








dxAce July 3rd 04 02:56 AM



Diverd4777 wrote:

In article , dxAce
writes:


Aye, there's the rub! There are no Liberal's who do anything whatsoever
competently.


OK Steve, Here's The List..

"
There are no Liberal's who do anything whatsoever
competently.


( GONNNNNGGG ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ;-)

Al Jourgensen
Alec Baldwin
Alyssa Milano
Ani DiFranco
Barbra Streisand
Ben Affleck
Bobby Fischer
Bruce Springsteen
Carlos Santana
Cher
Chrissie Hynde
Danny Glover
Dave Matthews
David Clennon
Dixie Chicks
Dustin Hoffman
Ed Asner
Ed Harris
Edward Norton
Eminem
Eric Roberts
Ethan Hawke
George Carlin
George Clooney
Gore Vidal
Gwyneth Paltrow
Harry Belafonte
Jane Fonda
Janeane Garofalo
Jennifer Aniston
Jessica Lange
Jethro Tull
John Cusack
John Mellencamp
Johnny Depp
Joy Behar
Julia Roberts
Kate Hudson
Larry Hagman
Madonna
Margaret Cho
Martin Scorsese
Martin Sheen
Maynard Keenan
Michael Moore
Mike Farrell
Moby
Oliver Stone
Pearl Jam
Richard Gere
Rickie Lee Jones
Robert Altman
Robin Williams
Sandra Bernhard
Sandy Duncan
Sean Penn
Spike Lee
Susan Sarandon
Tim Robbins
Uma Thurman
Viggo Mortensen
Whoopi Goldberg
Willie Nelson
Woody Harrelson

- Your words, not mine..
Dan


All whiney little liberals. Am I supposed to be impressed?

Seems as though I spy one or two there who stated before that if George Bush
won the election (past) that they'd leave the country.

They lied, and that is just so typical of whiney little liberals.

( GONNNNNGGG ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ;-)







dxAce July 3rd 04 11:46 AM



Curmudgeon wrote:

On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 21:56:06 -0400, dxAce wrote:



Diverd4777 wrote:

In article , dxAce
writes:


Aye, there's the rub! There are no Liberal's who do anything whatsoever
competently.

OK Steve, Here's The List..

"
There are no Liberal's who do anything whatsoever
competently.

( GONNNNNGGG ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ;-)

Al Jourgensen
Alec Baldwin
Alyssa Milano
Ani DiFranco
Barbra Streisand
Ben Affleck
Bobby Fischer
Bruce Springsteen
Carlos Santana
Cher
Chrissie Hynde
Danny Glover
Dave Matthews
David Clennon
Dixie Chicks
Dustin Hoffman
Ed Asner
Ed Harris
Edward Norton
Eminem
Eric Roberts
Ethan Hawke
George Carlin
George Clooney
Gore Vidal
Gwyneth Paltrow
Harry Belafonte
Jane Fonda
Janeane Garofalo
Jennifer Aniston
Jessica Lange
Jethro Tull
John Cusack
John Mellencamp
Johnny Depp
Joy Behar
Julia Roberts
Kate Hudson
Larry Hagman
Madonna
Margaret Cho
Martin Scorsese
Martin Sheen
Maynard Keenan
Michael Moore
Mike Farrell
Moby
Oliver Stone
Pearl Jam
Richard Gere
Rickie Lee Jones
Robert Altman
Robin Williams
Sandra Bernhard
Sandy Duncan
Sean Penn
Spike Lee
Susan Sarandon
Tim Robbins
Uma Thurman
Viggo Mortensen
Whoopi Goldberg
Willie Nelson
Woody Harrelson

- Your words, not mine..
Dan


All whiney little liberals. Am I supposed to be impressed?

Seems as though I spy one or two there who stated before that if George Bush
won the election (past) that they'd leave the country.

They lied, and that is just so typical of whiney little liberals.


More lies and fabrications. Where will it all end? It goes straight back to the White House. BUSH LIED.....


Well, we know for sure that Clinton lied, Gore lied and now there is a new contender, John F. Kerry.

He's been lying at least since the late 60's.



Bill E July 3rd 04 02:11 PM

On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 06:46:38 -0400, dxAce wrote:



Curmudgeon wrote:

On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 21:56:06 -0400, dxAce wrote:



Diverd4777 wrote:

In article , dxAce
writes:


Aye, there's the rub! There are no Liberal's who do anything whatsoever
competently.

OK Steve, Here's The List..

"
There are no Liberal's who do anything whatsoever
competently.

( GONNNNNGGG ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ;-)

Al Jourgensen
Alec Baldwin
Alyssa Milano
Ani DiFranco
Barbra Streisand
Ben Affleck
Bobby Fischer
Bruce Springsteen
Carlos Santana
Cher
Chrissie Hynde
Danny Glover
Dave Matthews
David Clennon
Dixie Chicks
Dustin Hoffman
Ed Asner
Ed Harris
Edward Norton
Eminem
Eric Roberts
Ethan Hawke
George Carlin
George Clooney
Gore Vidal
Gwyneth Paltrow
Harry Belafonte
Jane Fonda
Janeane Garofalo
Jennifer Aniston
Jessica Lange
Jethro Tull
John Cusack
John Mellencamp
Johnny Depp
Joy Behar
Julia Roberts
Kate Hudson
Larry Hagman
Madonna
Margaret Cho
Martin Scorsese
Martin Sheen
Maynard Keenan
Michael Moore
Mike Farrell
Moby
Oliver Stone
Pearl Jam
Richard Gere
Rickie Lee Jones
Robert Altman
Robin Williams
Sandra Bernhard
Sandy Duncan
Sean Penn
Spike Lee
Susan Sarandon
Tim Robbins
Uma Thurman
Viggo Mortensen
Whoopi Goldberg
Willie Nelson
Woody Harrelson

- Your words, not mine..
Dan

All whiney little liberals. Am I supposed to be impressed?

Seems as though I spy one or two there who stated before that if George Bush
won the election (past) that they'd leave the country.

They lied, and that is just so typical of whiney little liberals.


More lies and fabrications. Where will it all end? It goes straight back to the White House. BUSH LIED.....


Well, we know for sure that Clinton lied, Gore lied and now there is a new contender, John F. Kerry.

He's been lying at least since the late 60's.


If you don't like it then leave. I supported Clinton without regard
to what he did. Blindly. Because I'm a patriot. Otherwise - people
might have said I supported terrorists.

Frank Dresser July 3rd 04 03:00 PM


"Diverd4777" wrote in message
...
In article , dxAce
writes:


Aye, there's the rub! There are no Liberal's who do anything whatsoever
competently.


OK Steve, Here's The List..

"
There are no Liberal's who do anything whatsoever
competently.

[list of celebrities snipped}

I don't know the politics of most scientists/inventors, but Iris and
Stanford Ovshinsky seem pretty liberal:

http://www.bu.edu/alumni/bostonia/20...les/energetic/

Warren Buffet is liberal, at least by my standard.

Bobby Fischer isn't a liberal, he's a kook.

Frank Dresser



dxAce July 3rd 04 04:24 PM



Bill E wrote:

On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 06:46:38 -0400, dxAce wrote:



Curmudgeon wrote:

On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 21:56:06 -0400, dxAce wrote:



Diverd4777 wrote:

In article , dxAce
writes:


Aye, there's the rub! There are no Liberal's who do anything whatsoever
competently.

OK Steve, Here's The List..

"
There are no Liberal's who do anything whatsoever
competently.

( GONNNNNGGG ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ;-)

Al Jourgensen
Alec Baldwin
Alyssa Milano
Ani DiFranco
Barbra Streisand
Ben Affleck
Bobby Fischer
Bruce Springsteen
Carlos Santana
Cher
Chrissie Hynde
Danny Glover
Dave Matthews
David Clennon
Dixie Chicks
Dustin Hoffman
Ed Asner
Ed Harris
Edward Norton
Eminem
Eric Roberts
Ethan Hawke
George Carlin
George Clooney
Gore Vidal
Gwyneth Paltrow
Harry Belafonte
Jane Fonda
Janeane Garofalo
Jennifer Aniston
Jessica Lange
Jethro Tull
John Cusack
John Mellencamp
Johnny Depp
Joy Behar
Julia Roberts
Kate Hudson
Larry Hagman
Madonna
Margaret Cho
Martin Scorsese
Martin Sheen
Maynard Keenan
Michael Moore
Mike Farrell
Moby
Oliver Stone
Pearl Jam
Richard Gere
Rickie Lee Jones
Robert Altman
Robin Williams
Sandra Bernhard
Sandy Duncan
Sean Penn
Spike Lee
Susan Sarandon
Tim Robbins
Uma Thurman
Viggo Mortensen
Whoopi Goldberg
Willie Nelson
Woody Harrelson

- Your words, not mine..
Dan

All whiney little liberals. Am I supposed to be impressed?

Seems as though I spy one or two there who stated before that if George Bush
won the election (past) that they'd leave the country.

They lied, and that is just so typical of whiney little liberals.

More lies and fabrications. Where will it all end? It goes straight back to the White House. BUSH LIED.....


Well, we know for sure that Clinton lied, Gore lied and now there is a new contender, John F. Kerry.

He's been lying at least since the late 60's.


If you don't like it then leave.


What, give the Liberal commies a chance to take over? Never!

Let freedom reign.

Bush-Cheney 04



Blue Cat July 3rd 04 06:05 PM

Last week while I was near New York City I tuned in Air America on WLIB. I
didn't hear any seroius discussions concerning the elections or anything
else. All I heard were "comedy bits" and chatter.




Telamon July 3rd 04 08:02 PM

In article , dxAce
wrote:

Bill E wrote:

On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 06:46:38 -0400, dxAce wrote:



Curmudgeon wrote:

On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 21:56:06 -0400, dxAce
wrote:



Diverd4777 wrote:

In article , dxAce
writes:


Aye, there's the rub! There are no Liberal's who do anything
whatsoever competently.

OK Steve, Here's The List..

"
There are no Liberal's who do anything whatsoever
competently.

( GONNNNNGGG ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ;-)

Al Jourgensen Alec Baldwin Alyssa Milano Ani DiFranco Barbra
Streisand Ben Affleck Bobby Fischer Bruce Springsteen Carlos
Santana Cher Chrissie Hynde Danny Glover Dave Matthews David
Clennon Dixie Chicks Dustin Hoffman Ed Asner Ed Harris Edward
Norton Eminem Eric Roberts Ethan Hawke George Carlin George
Clooney Gore Vidal Gwyneth Paltrow Harry Belafonte Jane Fonda
Janeane Garofalo Jennifer Aniston Jessica Lange Jethro Tull
John Cusack
John Mellencamp Johnny Depp Joy Behar Julia Roberts Kate
Hudson Larry Hagman Madonna Margaret Cho Martin Scorsese
Martin Sheen Maynard Keenan Michael Moore Mike Farrell Moby
Oliver Stone Pearl Jam Richard Gere Rickie Lee Jones Robert
Altman Robin Williams Sandra Bernhard Sandy Duncan Sean Penn
Spike Lee Susan Sarandon Tim Robbins Uma Thurman Viggo
Mortensen Whoopi Goldberg Willie Nelson Woody Harrelson

- Your words, not mine.. Dan

All whiney little liberals. Am I supposed to be impressed?

Seems as though I spy one or two there who stated before that
if George Bush won the election (past) that they'd leave the
country.

They lied, and that is just so typical of whiney little
liberals.

More lies and fabrications. Where will it all end? It goes
straight back to the White House. BUSH LIED.....

Well, we know for sure that Clinton lied, Gore lied and now there
is a new contender, John F. Kerry.

He's been lying at least since the late 60's.


If you don't like it then leave.


What, give the Liberal commies a chance to take over? Never!

Let freedom reign.


I listened to Bush's Fourth of July speech on AFRTS this morning from
Pearl Harbor on 10,320 KHz. It was OK but I wish he talked more about
the historical event than current events. Then I was surprised to hear
"and now for the Democratic response, John Kerry." Why the hell should
we have to listen to a Democratic response to a Presidential speech
about the 4th of July holiday?

Anyway Kerry used the opportunity to be a liberal idiot with a speech
about the civil rights movement instead of talking about the holiday.
We have a Martin Luther holiday to celebrate this, it just seemed
inappropriate to me. The good news is the Kerry speech sounded like
less of a sermon than usual.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

dxAce July 3rd 04 08:07 PM



Telamon wrote:

In article , dxAce
wrote:

Bill E wrote:

On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 06:46:38 -0400, dxAce wrote:



Curmudgeon wrote:

On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 21:56:06 -0400, dxAce
wrote:



Diverd4777 wrote:

In article , dxAce
writes:


Aye, there's the rub! There are no Liberal's who do anything
whatsoever competently.

OK Steve, Here's The List..

"
There are no Liberal's who do anything whatsoever
competently.

( GONNNNNGGG ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ;-)

Al Jourgensen Alec Baldwin Alyssa Milano Ani DiFranco Barbra
Streisand Ben Affleck Bobby Fischer Bruce Springsteen Carlos
Santana Cher Chrissie Hynde Danny Glover Dave Matthews David
Clennon Dixie Chicks Dustin Hoffman Ed Asner Ed Harris Edward
Norton Eminem Eric Roberts Ethan Hawke George Carlin George
Clooney Gore Vidal Gwyneth Paltrow Harry Belafonte Jane Fonda
Janeane Garofalo Jennifer Aniston Jessica Lange Jethro Tull
John Cusack
John Mellencamp Johnny Depp Joy Behar Julia Roberts Kate
Hudson Larry Hagman Madonna Margaret Cho Martin Scorsese
Martin Sheen Maynard Keenan Michael Moore Mike Farrell Moby
Oliver Stone Pearl Jam Richard Gere Rickie Lee Jones Robert
Altman Robin Williams Sandra Bernhard Sandy Duncan Sean Penn
Spike Lee Susan Sarandon Tim Robbins Uma Thurman Viggo
Mortensen Whoopi Goldberg Willie Nelson Woody Harrelson

- Your words, not mine.. Dan

All whiney little liberals. Am I supposed to be impressed?

Seems as though I spy one or two there who stated before that
if George Bush won the election (past) that they'd leave the
country.

They lied, and that is just so typical of whiney little
liberals.

More lies and fabrications. Where will it all end? It goes
straight back to the White House. BUSH LIED.....

Well, we know for sure that Clinton lied, Gore lied and now there
is a new contender, John F. Kerry.

He's been lying at least since the late 60's.


If you don't like it then leave.


What, give the Liberal commies a chance to take over? Never!

Let freedom reign.


I listened to Bush's Fourth of July speech on AFRTS this morning from
Pearl Harbor on 10,320 KHz. It was OK but I wish he talked more about
the historical event than current events. Then I was surprised to hear
"and now for the Democratic response, John Kerry." Why the hell should
we have to listen to a Democratic response to a Presidential speech
about the 4th of July holiday?

Anyway Kerry used the opportunity to be a liberal idiot with a speech
about the civil rights movement instead of talking about the holiday.
We have a Martin Luther holiday to celebrate this, it just seemed
inappropriate to me. The good news is the Kerry speech sounded like
less of a sermon than usual.


Kerry doesn't need an *opportunity* to be a liberal idiot. He just is.

Hoping you're enjoying the holiday.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



nojunk@this_address.com (Mike Pearson July 3rd 04 08:27 PM

dxAce wrote:


Seems as though I spy one or two there who stated before that if George Bush
won the election (past) that they'd leave the country.

They lied, and that is just so typical of whiney little liberals.



How did they lie?

They didn't say that they'd leave if he was appointed, only if he was
actually elected.

--
Mike
NAR #70953 - Sr/HPR Level-1 ~ BEMRC - NAR Section #627
NO Junk Email, please! Real email to: amphoto [at] blarg [dot] net.
WANTED: Experienced Kamikaze Pilot

dxAce July 3rd 04 08:30 PM



"Mike Pearson " wrote:

dxAce wrote:


Seems as though I spy one or two there who stated before that if George Bush
won the election (past) that they'd leave the country.

They lied, and that is just so typical of whiney little liberals.


How did they lie?

They didn't say that they'd leave if he was appointed, only if he was
actually elected.


And indeed he was, better go do some research, you whiney little liberal 'tard.




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