Jack Painter wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Jack Painter wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Jack Painter wrote:

"Dale Parfitt" wrote
"dxAce" wrote
The HWN is currently active on 14325 per http://www.hwn.org/

dxAce

Sure is. Using the 756PRO and dual watch to monitor it and the
MARS on
13.927 - activity picking up.

Dale W4OP

As usual, they gear up way too soon, for the last 8 hours "looking
for
weather from the affected areas"...when there are no affected areas,
and
won't be for 20 hours from their initial activation.

That is not exactly true... The Hurricane Watch Net will activate
anytime
a
hurricane is within 300 miles of land.

Earlier today Hurricane Frances was near the Turks and Caicos Islands,
and
approaching the Bahamas, so there certainly are affected areas.

dxAce


You're right, but miss my point! 300 miles is a ridiculous distance as
the
weather reports are meaningless until the barometer starts plumetting
and
the edge of the tropical front approaches. All day and night...it isn't,
nor
even forecast to! Heard one net control ask a guy who had measured 1
thousandth of an inch of rain all day - "so how are you holding up in
this"?
Hmmm.

Well, the Turks and Caicos Islands were certainly a lot closer than 300
miles
from the hurricane last night...

No effects were noted from the stations reporting all day and into the
night.




And... here is a report from this morning:

AT 5 AM AST...0900Z...
I'm still trying to grasp your point. :-)

My point is that the Hurricane Watch Net can/will activate when a
hurricane is
within 300 miles of land... that may seem ridiculous to you, but that's
the way
it is.

dxAce


That's all I'm saying, it's a waste of time to follow 14325 the day before
the hurricane approaches. Stations in the soon to be affected areas get the
NHC reports read to them, and that may be useful to some of those stations,
not to disaffected listeners.

Huh? What the hell are you talking about? The day before it approaches?
Approaches where? It was already at Turks and Caicos yesterday.

I don''t get your point at all.

dxAce

Jack Painter wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Jack Painter wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Jack Painter wrote:

"Dale Parfitt" wrote
"dxAce" wrote
The HWN is currently active on 14325 per http://www.hwn.org/

dxAce

Sure is. Using the 756PRO and dual watch to monitor it and the
MARS on
13.927 - activity picking up.

Dale W4OP

As usual, they gear up way too soon, for the last 8 hours "looking
for
weather from the affected areas"...when there are no affected areas,
and
won't be for 20 hours from their initial activation.

That is not exactly true... The Hurricane Watch Net will activate
anytime
a
hurricane is within 300 miles of land.

Earlier today Hurricane Frances was near the Turks and Caicos Islands,
and
approaching the Bahamas, so there certainly are affected areas.

dxAce


You're right, but miss my point! 300 miles is a ridiculous distance as
the
weather reports are meaningless until the barometer starts plumetting
and
the edge of the tropical front approaches. All day and night...it isn't,
nor
even forecast to! Heard one net control ask a guy who had measured 1
thousandth of an inch of rain all day - "so how are you holding up in
this"?
Hmmm.

Well, the Turks and Caicos Islands were certainly a lot closer than 300
miles
from the hurricane last night...

No effects were noted from the stations reporting all day and into the
night.


And... here is a report from this morning:

AT 5 AM AST...0900Z...
I'm still trying to grasp your point. :-)

My point is that the Hurricane Watch Net can/will activate when a
hurricane is
within 300 miles of land... that may seem ridiculous to you, but that's
the way
it is.

dxAce


Let me try this again.

That's all I'm saying, it's a waste of time to follow 14325 the day before
the hurricane approaches.

Why is that? As I've said before the hurricane was already at Turks and Caicos.
Whether or not you follow it, or I follow it is immaterial. What is material is
that the HWN exists to disseminate NHC reports and to collect weather data for
NHC from the affected area. As far as HWN is concerned the 'affected area' is
anywhere there is land within 300 miles of the hurricane.

Stations in the soon to be affected areas get the
NHC reports read to them, and that may be useful to some of those stations,
not to disaffected listeners.

HWN doesn't give a hoot about 'disaffected listeners', nor should they.

I'm still trying to decipher your original post where you stated "As usual,
they gear up way too soon, for the last 8 hours "looking for weather from the
affected areas"...when there are no affected areas, andwon't be for 20 hours
from their initial activation".

That is the statement I disagree with, as indeed there were 'affected areas',
and I can't figure out where you came up with the 20 hour figure.

Over to you...

dxAce

"dxAce" wrote
Let me try this again.

That's all I'm saying, it's a waste of time to follow 14325 the day
before
the hurricane approaches.

Why is that? As I've said before the hurricane was already at Turks and
Caicos.
Whether or not you follow it, or I follow it is immaterial. What is
material is
that the HWN exists to disseminate NHC reports and to collect weather data
for
NHC from the affected area. As far as HWN is concerned the 'affected area'
is
anywhere there is land within 300 miles of the hurricane.

Stations in the soon to be affected areas get the
NHC reports read to them, and that may be useful to some of those
stations,
not to disaffected listeners.

HWN doesn't give a hoot about 'disaffected listeners', nor should they.

I'm still trying to decipher your original post where you stated "As
usual,
they gear up way too soon, for the last 8 hours "looking for weather from
the
affected areas"...when there are no affected areas, andwon't be for 20
hours
from their initial activation".

That is the statement I disagree with, as indeed there were 'affected
areas',
and I can't figure out where you came up with the 20 hour figure.

Over to you...

dxAce


Affected area means an area experiencing the hurricane. As the NW quadrant
of Frances weakened before it's approach to Turks and Caicos, and that was
known to the Tropical Prediction Center, there was nothing meaningful sent
from T&C until it actually passed by them. That was at 2pm Wednesday. All
day yesterday reports continued from the Bahamas which Frances is still a
ways off from this morning. That's where the 1/1000th inch of rain report
came from, over 24 hrs before any chance of effects could be felt. The
affected area is going to be Florida by Saturday, but if you're following
it then, notice when the reports start pouring in.

Jack

PROBABILITIES FOR GUIDANCE IN HURRICANE PROTECTION
PLANNING BY GOVERNMENT AND DISASTER OFFICIALS

AT 11 AM AST...1500Z...THE CENTER OF FRANCES WAS LOCATED NEAR
LATITUDE 23.4 NORTH...LONGITUDE 73.9 WEST

CHANCES OF CENTER OF THE HURRICANE PASSING WITHIN 65 NAUTICAL MILES
OF LISTED LOCATIONS THROUGH 8AM AST SUN SEP 5 2004

LOCATION A B C D E LOCATION A B C D E

25.5N 77.2W 50 X X X 50 MYRTLE BEACH SC X X X 4 4
26.4N 78.5W 25 7 X 1 33 WILMINGTON NC X X X 2 2
27.0N 79.7W 3 19 1 2 25 KEY WEST FL X 3 2 3 8
MYMM 224N 730W 99 X X X 99 MARCO ISLAND FL X 7 5 4 16
MYSM 241N 745W 99 X X X 99 FT MYERS FL X 6 7 4 17
MYEG 235N 758W 60 X X X 60 VENICE FL X 3 8 6 17
MYAK 241N 776W 32 X X X 32 TAMPA FL X 1 10 6 17
MYNN 251N 775W 45 X X X 45 CEDAR KEY FL X X 6 10 16
MYGF 266N 787W 18 12 X 1 31 ST MARKS FL X X 1 12 13
MARATHON FL X 6 2 3 11 APALACHICOLA FL X X 1 11 12
MIAMI FL 3 13 2 1 19 PANAMA CITY FL X X X 10 10
W PALM BEACH FL 2 17 2 2 23 PENSACOLA FL X X X 6 6
FT PIERCE FL X 16 4 2 22 MOBILE AL X X X 4 4
COCOA BEACH FL X 9 8 4 21 GULFPORT MS X X X 3 3
DAYTONA BEACH FL X 2 10 6 18 BURAS LA X X X 2 2
JACKSONVILLE FL X X 3 12 15 GULF 29N 85W X X 1 11 12
SAVANNAH GA X X X 10 10 GULF 29N 87W X X X 7 7
CHARLESTON SC X X X 7 7 GULF 28N 89W X X X 3 3

COLUMN DEFINITION PROBABILITIES IN PERCENT
A IS PROBABILITY FROM NOW TO 8AM FRI
FOLLOWING ARE ADDITIONAL PROBABILITIES
B FROM 8AM FRI TO 8PM FRI
C FROM 8PM FRI TO 8AM SAT
D FROM 8AM SAT TO 8AM SUN
E IS TOTAL PROBABILITY FROM NOW TO 8AM SUN
X MEANS LESS THAN ONE PERCENT

Jack Painter wrote:

"dxAce" wrote
Let me try this again.

That's all I'm saying, it's a waste of time to follow 14325 the day
before
the hurricane approaches.

Why is that? As I've said before the hurricane was already at Turks and
Caicos.
Whether or not you follow it, or I follow it is immaterial. What is
material is
that the HWN exists to disseminate NHC reports and to collect weather data
for
NHC from the affected area. As far as HWN is concerned the 'affected area'
is
anywhere there is land within 300 miles of the hurricane.

Stations in the soon to be affected areas get the
NHC reports read to them, and that may be useful to some of those
stations,
not to disaffected listeners.

HWN doesn't give a hoot about 'disaffected listeners', nor should they.

I'm still trying to decipher your original post where you stated "As
usual,
they gear up way too soon, for the last 8 hours "looking for weather from
the
affected areas"...when there are no affected areas, andwon't be for 20
hours
from their initial activation".

That is the statement I disagree with, as indeed there were 'affected
areas',
and I can't figure out where you came up with the 20 hour figure.

Over to you...

dxAce


Affected area means an area experiencing the hurricane. As the NW quadrant
of Frances weakened before it's approach to Turks and Caicos, and that was
known to the Tropical Prediction Center, there was nothing meaningful sent
from T&C until it actually passed by them. That was at 2pm Wednesday. All
day yesterday reports continued from the Bahamas which Frances is still a
ways off from this morning. That's where the 1/1000th inch of rain report
came from, over 24 hrs before any chance of effects could be felt. The
affected area is going to be Florida by Saturday, but if you're following
it then, notice when the reports start pouring in.

You still haven't addressed my point. I'm getting the feeling here that you
don't understand the purpose of the HWN.

I give up! I quit!

dxAce

That's all I'm saying, it's a waste of time to follow 14325 the day before
the hurricane approaches. Stations in the soon to be affected areas get
the
NHC reports read to them, and that may be useful to some of those
stations,
not to disaffected listeners.

Jack

A lot of the early coms are for the net controls to find out who will be
reporting, where they are located and what instruments they have- this can
be a bit more difficult if one waits until the storm is on top of them.
Think I prefer their method.

Dale W4OP