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7600GR arrived today
I got my new 7600GR from Etronics today. For the most part, it performs and
sounds just like my old 7600G did. The variable attenuator is a nice addition. The page system memory is a nice arrangement too. Most importantly, I'm totally psyched to have a portable with ssb selectable am synch and real ssb capabilities. I have 9475 on now at 22:38 and I am using the ssb selectable am sync. When I select usb, I can clearly hear some QRM. When I switch to LSB, I get a wonderfully clear signal. I've read many comments in posts that say the 7600's ssb selectable am sync really doesn't count for much. I've had the radio only for a few hours and I can say for sure, that it matters quite a bit. Also.....I can now use ecss again without being seated in front of my R-75. The fine tuning dial is very manageable. I've used the KA-1102, YB-400,PL-550 and a whole host of other portables. The 7600GR is by far my favorite. Over the next few weeks I'm going to do some side by side comparisons with the 7600GR and the KA-1102 and PL-550. I can easily look up the numbers for all of those radios, but I want to hear them all now in practice. I'll be sure to post my results. -- Respectfully, Michael Location: New Jersey Primary Receiver: R-75 with full Kiwa mods Antennas: G5RV, 200ft "Frankenstein" roof wire Additional Radios: 7600GR,KA-1101,KA-1102 PL-550, KA-989, Info-Mate 837, GE-SR III Westinghouse H-104 (seven tube) Web Site: http://md_dxing.tripod.com |
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"Michael" wrote: I got my new 7600GR from Etronics today. For the most part, it performs and sounds just like my old 7600G did. The variable attenuator is a nice addition. The page system memory is a nice arrangement too. Most importantly, I'm totally psyched to have a portable with ssb selectable am synch and real ssb capabilities. I have 9475 on now at 22:38 and I am using the ssb selectable am sync. When I select usb, I can clearly hear some QRM. When I switch to LSB, I get a wonderfully clear signal. I've read many comments in posts that say the 7600's ssb selectable am sync really doesn't count for much. I've had the radio only for a few hours and I can say for sure, that it matters quite a bit. Snip There is no substitute for getting your hands on the hardware. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
The major problem with the 7600GR that the 7600G did not have is
muting when you change frequencies, which slows you down to one poke a second if you scan manually that way. The attentuation is nice though in that it solves the fast AGC problem that causes audible flutter when two stations with the right strengths are on almost the same frequency, very common on MW. You can just change the attentuation so the AGC doesn't kick in and it stops pumping. -- Ron Hardin On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk. |
Brian Sturges schrieb:
I've owned my 7600GR for almost two years and have found that AM-synch always works best with LSB selected- I wonder why that is? Misalignment probably. It seems to be rather tricky to get *all* of AM, SSB and Synch right at the same time, so YMMV in terms of what you get straight from the factory. Stephan -- Meine Andere Seite: http://stephan.win31.de/ PC#6: i440BX, 1xP3-500E, 512 MiB, 18+80 GB, R9k AGP 64 MiB, 110W This is a SCSI-inside, Legacy-plus, TCPA-free computer :) |
"Ron Hardin" wrote in message ... The major problem with the 7600GR that the 7600G did not have is muting when you change frequencies, which slows you down to one poke a second if you scan manually that way. The attentuation is nice though in that it solves the fast AGC problem that causes audible flutter when two stations with the right strengths are on almost the same frequency, very common on MW. You can just change the attentuation so the AGC doesn't kick in and it stops pumping. Thanx for the tip, Ron... I'll be sure to put it into action when the time comes.... Michael |
"Michael" wrote in
t: The 7600GR is by far my favorite. Over the next few weeks I'm going to do some side by side comparisons with the 7600GR and the KA-1102 and PL-550. I can easily look up the numbers for all of those radios, but I want to hear them all now in practice. I'll be sure to post my results. I would love to see the results. I have the Sony and the KA-1102 as well. I have compared them extensively. The Sony is of course the superior radio but you have to love the Kaito for the price. The Sony is better at AM DXing and SSB but I sometimes find it easier on the Kaito to tune into SSB although the audio quality is not as good as on the Sony. On SW I see almost no difference in the radios. The only thing I dont like about the Sony is the display. The Kaito gives you much more information. There isn't any Meter Band indicator on the Sony or button to quickly jump from one meter band to the next. If the Sony had a display like the Kaito along with the light buttons I would like it more, and if you add a tunning knob there would be no more arguments in favor of the Sangean 909. These seem like very simple modifications that I would love to see. |
"Juan Gonzalez" wrote in message ... "Michael" wrote in t: The 7600GR is by far my favorite. Over the next few weeks I'm going to do some side by side comparisons with the 7600GR and the KA-1102 and PL-550. I can easily look up the numbers for all of those radios, but I want to hear them all now in practice. I'll be sure to post my results. I would love to see the results. I have the Sony and the KA-1102 as well. I have compared them extensively. The Sony is of course the superior radio but you have to love the Kaito for the price. The Sony is better at AM DXing and SSB but I sometimes find it easier on the Kaito to tune into SSB although the audio quality is not as good as on the Sony. On SW I see almost no difference in the radios. The only thing I dont like about the Sony is the display. The Kaito gives you much more information. There isn't any Meter Band indicator on the Sony or button to quickly jump from one meter band to the next. If the Sony had a display like the Kaito along with the light buttons I would like it more, and if you add a tunning knob there would be no more arguments in favor of the Sangean 909. These seem like very simple modifications that I would love to see. Juan... I agree with you 100 % regarding the display. I really like the display on the 1102. I have also noticed something else I dont like about the display on the 7600gr. I took it to work today and I noticed that unless you look at the display straight on, it appears as if every character on the display is active. All lcds can have this problem in heavy lighting, but the one on the 7600gr is really bad. Even if you are looking at it at just a slight angle in moderate light, you cant tell what you are looking at because every character is visible. Other then that, I have to say that the 7600gr is far superior to the KA-1102 over all. It doesn't seem to be any more sensitive then the KA-1102 but it resolves the signals better, especially weaker signals or signals that are close to stronger ones and are exhibiting QRM. The audio quality is better in general too, but that is to be expected given the smaller speaker in the 1102. I dont mean that as a criticism of the 1102 either. I'm amazed at what a great performer it is for its size and price. I actually think that the KA-1102 is very close to the Sony in selectivity too. The 7600gr has the ssb selectable am sync that helps out a lot with adjacent signals and fade where as the KA-1102 does not, but the actual selectivity of the KA-1102 seems to be on par with the 7600gr. As far as the PL-550 goes.... I think it is the least selective of the three. It doesn't have glairing problems with this, but it doesn't cut it as well as the 7600gr and the KA-1102. It also dose not resolve signals as well as the 7600gr does, but to be honest, I really think the audio quality and definition on the PL-550 is the best of the three. To my ear, it sounds more defined. So..... You cant deal with a het or AM signal fade on the PL-550 like you can with he 7600gr, but when the conditions are good, I think the PL-550 sounds better. I also love that the PL-550 has both push button and the all important dial to turn for tuning. That feature alone make it the first radio I'll grab when I want to explore the bands. Other things I really like on the PL-550 are the selectable filter setting and the IF switch. The IF switch by no means outshines the ssb selectable sync on the 7600gr, but it does help out a bit even though using it diminishes the audio fidelity. If they could only have made the PL-550 with ssb :-) I haven't had enough time to evaluate the 7600gr under circumstances in relation to the 1102 and PL-550 yet, but I sure plan on doing so over the next few weeks. |
"Michael" wrote in
t: As far as the PL-550 goes.... I think it is the least selective of the three. It doesn't have glairing problems with this, but it doesn't cut it as well as the 7600gr and the KA-1102. How good is the PL-550 on MW? I have a Tecsun PL-230 which is a cool looking radio that works great on SW but the MW performance is very poor. I'm in NYC and can hear an AM station from Ohio on the Kaito and even better with the Sony. With the Tecsun I even have trouble with one local am station that comes in noisy but perfect on the Kaito and Sony. I also don't like the Sony display since its hard to view at an angle. The Kaito display is much better and includes so much more information. The Sony doesn't even have a battery charge indicator so you never know how much you have left. Even very cheap radios have that, but you can't argue about the quality of the Sony and the reception. |
I recently did a comparison of a bunch of radios on AM/MW.
The Tecsun 550 was really bad on AM/MW (it is good on SW, however). Here are results, if you would be interested. http://www.radiointel.com/review-mwolympics.htm --Russ K3Pi Also if you go to the review section of radiointel.com - there are reviews of quite a few radios. |
"Juan Gonzalez" wrote in message ... "Michael" wrote in t: As far as the PL-550 goes.... I think it is the least selective of the three. It doesn't have glairing problems with this, but it doesn't cut it as well as the 7600gr and the KA-1102. How good is the PL-550 on MW? Hiya.... I dont think the PL-550 is a good MW radio. For MW I prefer my GE-SR III best for sure. Because it has analog tuning it has almost no internal noise. As you would expect with such a large speaker, the audio quality is also very good. It also has a nice long internal ferite bar antenna, so its great for DX'ing. The only draw back is that the analog tuning dial is not at all accurate. My next favorite radio for MW is the KA-1102. It was a really nice surprise to find out what a great MW radio that it is. I often use it to listen to WBT in Charlotte and WTAM in Cleveland and WBAL in Maryland and others too. It is not as quite as the GE-SR III, but it does a very nice job of it for sure. I have just started to test the 7600gr out on MW. From what I have read, it is a better performer for MW DX'ing then the KA-1102. I would imagine that you could get more out of the 7600gr just going on the fact that it has "real" ssb selectable sb capabilities that you can use when you are tuned in the mw range. That alone would tell me I have a better chance of resolving some tuff MW DX with the 7600gr then with the KA-1102. The KA-1102 has ssb capabilities, but they dont work when tuned to mw, and even if it did, it would hardly matter. The KA-1102 doesn't have "real" ssb selectable sb. You cant choose usb or lsb. Along with that, using ecss on the KA-1102 is almost useless because of the flutter you always get when you try to use ecss. So... As of right now I can't say any thyting about the 7600gr for MW. I need to test it out some more. So... The PL-550 is not a good MW radio as compared to the other radios that I own. The PL-550 is not the most sensitive, selective or quite when tuned to MW. Nor does it have any ssb capabilities. I dont mind so much though because I purchased it to use as a sw radio and I think it is very good for sw. When you consider its price in comparison with the YB-400 and 7600GR, you really have to say that it was one of the best value for dollar deals to come along in quite a while. Michael |
"Michael" wrote in
: I have just started to test the 7600gr out on MW. From what I have read, it is a better performer for MW DX'ing then the KA-1102. I would imagine that you could get more out of the 7600gr just going on the fact that it has "real" ssb selectable sb capabilities that you can use when you are tuned in the mw range. That alone would tell me I have a better chance of resolving some tuff MW DX with the 7600gr then with the KA-1102. The KA-1102 has ssb capabilities, but they dont work when tuned to mw, and even if it did, it would hardly matter. The KA-1102 doesn't have "real" ssb selectable sb. You cant choose usb or lsb. Along with that, using ecss on the KA-1102 is almost useless because of the flutter you always get when you try to use ecss. So... As of right now I can't say any thyting about the 7600gr for MW. I need to test it out some more. What you say about the Sony SSB on MW is exactly right. It's something the Kaito can't do. If you like the Kaito for MW you will love the Sony. |
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ospam (Michael Bryant) wrote: From: Juan Gonzalez What you say about the Sony SSB on MW is exactly right. It's something the Kaito can't do. If you like the Kaito for MW you will love the Sony. My Degen 1103 beats my 7600G hands down on sensitivity in the SW bands, but the 7600G and a Radio Shack AM loop are hard to beat on MW. The 7600G is better than the 1102 on ultimate selectivity possible with selectable sideband. The better filters in the 1103 seem to allow the increased senstivity of the 1103 to nudge slightly ahead of my 7600G in overall SW AM reception. The SSB on either the 1102 or 1103 is nowhere as stable as the 7600G. Yeah but that your Degen 1103 beating your 7600G. What about someone else's real radios. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
"Juan Gonzalez" wrote
There isn't any Meter Band indicator on the Sony or button to quickly jump from one meter band to the next. ________________ It is possible to jump from one meter band to a higher or lower one by holding the "AM Band" button down while punching the + or - keys at the ends of the "Manual Tune" row of buttons. See #3 on page 20 of the instruction book for a better explanation. RF Visit http://rfry.org for FM broadcast RF system papers. |
"Richard Fry" wrote in
: "Juan Gonzalez" wrote There isn't any Meter Band indicator on the Sony or button to quickly jump from one meter band to the next. ________________ It is possible to jump from one meter band to a higher or lower one by holding the "AM Band" button down while punching the + or - keys at the ends of the "Manual Tune" row of buttons. See #3 on page 20 of the instruction book for a better explanation. This would be good if it actually worked. I saw that on page 20. I hold the am button and hit the arrow keys and nothing happens. |
"Juan Gonzalez" wrote
This would be good if it actually worked. I saw that on page 20. I hold the am button and hit the arrow keys and nothing happens. ______________ Works on mine. Are you sure you're pressing on the outer pair of arrow keys? They have the symbols ==| and |== on them. The center button of that group is a single, rocker type with - and + on its ends, but that won't do it. |
"Richard Fry" writes:
"Juan Gonzalez" wrote This would be good if it actually worked. I saw that on page 20. I hold the am button and hit the arrow keys and nothing happens. ______________ Works on mine. Are you sure you're pressing on the outer pair of arrow keys? They have the symbols ==| and |== on them. The center button of that group is a single, rocker type with - and + on its ends, but that won't do it. And make sure you press and hold the "AM Band" button, *not* the FM/AM button while pressing the outer arrow keys. |
Al Arduengo
-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me wrote in -did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle- me: "Richard Fry" writes: "Juan Gonzalez" wrote This would be good if it actually worked. I saw that on page 20. I hold the am button and hit the arrow keys and nothing happens. ______________ Works on mine. Are you sure you're pressing on the outer pair of arrow keys? They have the symbols ==| and |== on them. The center button of that group is a single, rocker type with - and + on its ends, but that won't do it. And make sure you press and hold the "AM Band" button, *not* the FM/AM button while pressing the outer arrow keys. You are right. I figured it out moments after posting. Thanks for the info. Makes the radio alot nicer to use. |
The major problem with the 7600GR that the 7600G did not have is
muting when you change frequencies, which slows you down to one poke a second if you scan manually that way. Actually, you CAN scan without muting. Just press the up or down 1kz instead of the 5kz, and keep it pressed. It scans just like a manual dial scan. When you hear something, just lift your finger. I did not discover this, someone posted it in this NG about 2 years ago, and I was amazed that 1) I never knew this, and 2) the manual doesn't say anything about it. ---Ken |
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