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Grundig FR 200 Receiver
Hi all !
Need information on the Grundig FR 200 AM-FM + 2 SW bands receiver. User manual, circuit diagram and workshop repair manual are needed in order to be able to fix it and then use it when AC power is off, like during recent hurricanes here. At the moment the radio works from the external power input at 4.5 volts, and when using 3 AA batteries, but it only plays for a few seconds after cranking the Bayliss crank-up DC generator for long periods. Have someone on the list experienced similar problems ? It may be that the small three NI-CD battery pack has to be replaced, or that it needs an external first time charge-up in order to start working properly ? Please answer to Thanks in advance for the help Arnie Coro CO2KK Host of Dxers Unlimited Radio hobby program |
Go to:
http://www.grundigradio.com/asp/down...nersmanual.asp and click on the "Download" out beside FR200. I think this is only the owner/user manual so it may not provide the other info you seek; i.e. circuit diagrams and repair manual -- but it may be a place to start looking for them. Al ===================== Arnie Coro wrote: Hi all ! Need information on the Grundig FR 200 AM-FM + 2 SW bands receiver. User manual, circuit diagram and workshop repair manual are needed in order to be able to fix it and then use it when AC power is off, like during recent hurricanes here. At the moment the radio works from the external power input at 4.5 volts, and when using 3 AA batteries, but it only plays for a few seconds after cranking the Bayliss crank-up DC generator for long periods. Have someone on the list experienced similar problems ? It may be that the small three NI-CD battery pack has to be replaced, or that it needs an external first time charge-up in order to start working properly ? Please answer to Thanks in advance for the help Arnie Coro CO2KK Host of Dxers Unlimited Radio hobby program |
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I also found there seemed to be vast differences in the batteries in the
FR-200 radios when first purchased. Yes, I purchased several at one time for gifts a couple of years back. I could crank for a minute or so and turn the light on to test the life of the batteries. Some would not even charge if the light was left on. It was using the current about as fast as I was replacing it. Therefore, you may want to test the unit's battery condition (in the store preferably - where they have several FR200's in stock) as soon as possible and if it is not satisfactory you may wish to return that one and then buy another. The request about the LED replacement for the bulb is a great idea. If anyone learns of one let us all know. Al =============== Diverd4777 wrote: In article , (Arnie Coro) writes: At the moment the radio works from the external power input at 4.5 volts, and when using 3 AA batteries, but it only plays for a few seconds after cranking the Bayliss crank-up DC generator for long periods. Have someone on the list experienced similar problems ? Yes, try new batteries first.. The rechargable ones eventually wear out. |
The condition of the battery is probably dependant on how long it has been
on the shelf. The battery pack is some standard cordless phone pack, which radio shack sells for around $10. |
They aren't exactly "standard" cordless phone batteries. It is a nickel
metal pack. They are known to drain off when not being used. "Conan Ford" wrote in message 3.159... The condition of the battery is probably dependant on how long it has been on the shelf. The battery pack is some standard cordless phone pack, which radio shack sells for around $10. |
Hi Arnie:
The FR 200 will last nearly forever on 3 AA cells. If you don't use the flashlite portion one set of batteries will do you through a couple of hurricane seasons. I tested the drain on the batteries on this and as I recall it drew about 6.5 milliwatts at a lower listening level. When any of my digital radios quit running as the voltage drops to the magic level I put them into the FR 200 and they play a very long time before distortion sets in. Regards, Bob |
what is the bulb number in the fr200? If it is the 1157, a common bulb, the
bulb at aerostich has a LED replacement... http://www.aerostich.com/riderwearhouse.store search for 2542 for led replacements for 1157 bulbs....15 Ma vs. 590 Ma for regular bulbs "Bob" wrote in message om... Hi Arnie: The FR 200 will last nearly forever on 3 AA cells. If you don't use the flashlite portion one set of batteries will do you through a couple of hurricane seasons. I tested the drain on the batteries on this and as I recall it drew about 6.5 milliwatts at a lower listening level. When any of my digital radios quit running as the voltage drops to the magic level I put them into the FR 200 and they play a very long time before distortion sets in. Regards, Bob |
In article ,
Jennie wrote: what is the bulb number in the fr200? If it is the 1157, a common bulb, the bulb at aerostich has a LED replacement... http://www.aerostich.com/riderwearhouse.store search for 2542 for led replacements for 1157 bulbs....15 Ma vs. 590 Ma for regular bulbs HUH? An 1157 is a 12 volt automotive turn signal lamp. It's an S8 envelope and is over an inch across and runs 7 watts or so. The lamp in a FR200 is a 5 mm long grain of wheat incandescent with wire leads. There is some sort of circuit to drive it, because the lamp is running on about 2.5 volts, with about 2 volts difference between the the + side of the AA batteries. (The lamp runs on either/both the AA cells and the rechargeable NiMH pack). BTW, there's a spare lamp in there behind the pop off lamp holder, in a little recess in the radio case. Mark Zenier Washington State resident |
If a decent LED could be fitted it should make the fr200 a more effective
tool... What about http://flashlightreviews2.home.att.n...tite_lpr-3.htm "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , (Mark Zenier) wrote: In article , Jennie wrote: what is the bulb number in the fr200? If it is the 1157, a common bulb, the bulb at aerostich has a LED replacement... http://www.aerostich.com/riderwearhouse.store search for 2542 for led replacements for 1157 bulbs....15 Ma vs. 590 Ma for regular bulbs HUH? An 1157 is a 12 volt automotive turn signal lamp. It's an S8 envelope and is over an inch across and runs 7 watts or so. The lamp in a FR200 is a 5 mm long grain of wheat incandescent with wire leads. There is some sort of circuit to drive it, because the lamp is running on about 2.5 volts, with about 2 volts difference between the the + side of the AA batteries. (The lamp runs on either/both the AA cells and the rechargeable NiMH pack). BTW, there's a spare lamp in there behind the pop off lamp holder, in a little recess in the radio case. But that 7 watts will really light things up. Someone was talking about using LED's for incandescent bulbs. If you want to do this the forward drop on them is typically around 1.3 to 1.8 volts. You just need a series resistor to limit the current usually around 12 to 18 mA. Digi-key will list them with there typical voltage and current ratings so you can find one for your situation. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Here is some more replacement bulbs to LED...
http://www.ledcorp.com/catalog.html "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , (Mark Zenier) wrote: In article , Jennie wrote: what is the bulb number in the fr200? If it is the 1157, a common bulb, the bulb at aerostich has a LED replacement... http://www.aerostich.com/riderwearhouse.store search for 2542 for led replacements for 1157 bulbs....15 Ma vs. 590 Ma for regular bulbs HUH? An 1157 is a 12 volt automotive turn signal lamp. It's an S8 envelope and is over an inch across and runs 7 watts or so. The lamp in a FR200 is a 5 mm long grain of wheat incandescent with wire leads. There is some sort of circuit to drive it, because the lamp is running on about 2.5 volts, with about 2 volts difference between the the + side of the AA batteries. (The lamp runs on either/both the AA cells and the rechargeable NiMH pack). BTW, there's a spare lamp in there behind the pop off lamp holder, in a little recess in the radio case. But that 7 watts will really light things up. Someone was talking about using LED's for incandescent bulbs. If you want to do this the forward drop on them is typically around 1.3 to 1.8 volts. You just need a series resistor to limit the current usually around 12 to 18 mA. Digi-key will list them with there typical voltage and current ratings so you can find one for your situation. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
In article ,
"Jennie" wrote: If a decent LED could be fitted it should make the fr200 a more effective tool... What about http://flashlightreviews2.home.att.n...tite_lpr-3.htm "Telamon" wrote in message .. . In article , (Mark Zenier) wrote: In article , Jennie wrote: what is the bulb number in the fr200? If it is the 1157, a common bulb, the bulb at aerostich has a LED replacement... http://www.aerostich.com/riderwearhouse.store search for 2542 for led replacements for 1157 bulbs....15 Ma vs. 590 Ma for regular bulbs HUH? An 1157 is a 12 volt automotive turn signal lamp. It's an S8 envelope and is over an inch across and runs 7 watts or so. The lamp in a FR200 is a 5 mm long grain of wheat incandescent with wire leads. There is some sort of circuit to drive it, because the lamp is running on about 2.5 volts, with about 2 volts difference between the the + side of the AA batteries. (The lamp runs on either/both the AA cells and the rechargeable NiMH pack). BTW, there's a spare lamp in there behind the pop off lamp holder, in a little recess in the radio case. But that 7 watts will really light things up. Someone was talking about using LED's for incandescent bulbs. If you want to do this the forward drop on them is typically around 1.3 to 1.8 volts. You just need a series resistor to limit the current usually around 12 to 18 mA. Digi-key will list them with there typical voltage and current ratings so you can find one for your situation. Well those units take 2 to 4 "cells" or 3 to 6 volts. The current will be higher than a normal bright LED so you will need to pay attention to battery life. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
In article ,
"Jennie" wrote: Here is some more replacement bulbs to LED... http://www.ledcorp.com/catalog.html "Telamon" wrote in message .. . In article , (Mark Zenier) wrote: In article , Jennie wrote: what is the bulb number in the fr200? If it is the 1157, a common bulb, the bulb at aerostich has a LED replacement... http://www.aerostich.com/riderwearhouse.store search for 2542 for led replacements for 1157 bulbs....15 Ma vs. 590 Ma for regular bulbs HUH? An 1157 is a 12 volt automotive turn signal lamp. It's an S8 envelope and is over an inch across and runs 7 watts or so. The lamp in a FR200 is a 5 mm long grain of wheat incandescent with wire leads. There is some sort of circuit to drive it, because the lamp is running on about 2.5 volts, with about 2 volts difference between the the + side of the AA batteries. (The lamp runs on either/both the AA cells and the rechargeable NiMH pack). BTW, there's a spare lamp in there behind the pop off lamp holder, in a little recess in the radio case. But that 7 watts will really light things up. Someone was talking about using LED's for incandescent bulbs. If you want to do this the forward drop on them is typically around 1.3 to 1.8 volts. You just need a series resistor to limit the current usually around 12 to 18 mA. Digi-key will list them with there typical voltage and current ratings so you can find one for your situation. I'll make the brash assumption the that the lower voltage units put out less light and require less current to operate. The lumens or light output is not part of the specifications so you will have to guess. One other thing to keep in mind about any LED is that they decrease their output over their lifetime. They look pretty pricey. http://www.ledcorp.com/catalog.html -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Reply from eton tech support about a led replacement for fr200...
If your unit draws excess current, it has a bulb, not a LED. The bulb can be replaced with a LED. Most competent repair shops can do this. If you can't find one in your area, the shops below can do it. NON-WARRANTY SERVICE FOR ETON/GRUNDIG PRODUCTS: From time to time we are asked to provide names of companies that perform out of warranty work on various Grundig and Eton branded products. Although we cannot recommend one repair facility over another, we understand that the companies below specialize in repair and restoration of out-of-warranty and older products. We cannot comment on their customary fees. We recommend that you get in touch with them and determine for yourself whether the fees they charge are reasonable for the work you wish to have performed. We are providing this information as an accommodation to our customers. Please note that these are private, independent companies, and not part of our company, Eton Corporation, and that we bear no responsibility for work performed by these companies or for warranties, guarantees or promises made by them with respect to repairs, repair costs, or repair time frames. Below is their contact information. * ACT Electronics in Hawaiian Gardens, near Long Beach, CA; Mr. Adrian Ilie, owner; 562-809-0263 or 1-800-824-7094; . * Bavarian Radio Works in Massachusetts; contact Mr. Ross Hochstrasser, owner, at 781-447-4299 or . * EBM Electronics, 80 Acorn Place, Unit 50, Mississauga, Ontario L4Z 4E1; 905-755-9527; . The owner is Mr. Edvard Mahnic. Will also do repairs from U.S. customers. Please include this email in any subsequent response. Walter Hess, Technical Support Manager Eton Corporation, 1015 Corporation Way, Palo Alto, CA 94303; phones active 8:30-4 Pacific Time; 1-800-872-2228 (from the U.S.); 1-800-637-1648 (from Canada); 650-903-3866 (from any location); FAX 650-903-3867; ; http://www.etoncorp.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Bill N. ] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:57 PM To: Scott Inman Subject: led Fr200 do they make an led to keep the light from using so much energy? Thanks "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "Jennie" wrote: Here is some more replacement bulbs to LED... http://www.ledcorp.com/catalog.html "Telamon" wrote in message .. . In article , (Mark Zenier) wrote: In article , Jennie wrote: what is the bulb number in the fr200? If it is the 1157, a common bulb, the bulb at aerostich has a LED replacement... http://www.aerostich.com/riderwearhouse.store search for 2542 for led replacements for 1157 bulbs....15 Ma vs. 590 Ma for regular bulbs HUH? An 1157 is a 12 volt automotive turn signal lamp. It's an S8 envelope and is over an inch across and runs 7 watts or so. The lamp in a FR200 is a 5 mm long grain of wheat incandescent with wire leads. There is some sort of circuit to drive it, because the lamp is running on about 2.5 volts, with about 2 volts difference between the the + side of the AA batteries. (The lamp runs on either/both the AA cells and the rechargeable NiMH pack). BTW, there's a spare lamp in there behind the pop off lamp holder, in a little recess in the radio case. But that 7 watts will really light things up. Someone was talking about using LED's for incandescent bulbs. If you want to do this the forward drop on them is typically around 1.3 to 1.8 volts. You just need a series resistor to limit the current usually around 12 to 18 mA. Digi-key will list them with there typical voltage and current ratings so you can find one for your situation. I'll make the brash assumption the that the lower voltage units put out less light and require less current to operate. The lumens or light output is not part of the specifications so you will have to guess. One other thing to keep in mind about any LED is that they decrease their output over their lifetime. They look pretty pricey. http://www.ledcorp.com/catalog.html -- Telamon Ventura, California |
http://flashlightreviews.home.att.net/mods/prbulbs.html
"Jennie" wrote in message ... Reply from eton tech support about a led replacement for fr200... If your unit draws excess current, it has a bulb, not a LED. The bulb can be replaced with a LED. Most competent repair shops can do this. If you can't find one in your area, the shops below can do it. NON-WARRANTY SERVICE FOR ETON/GRUNDIG PRODUCTS: From time to time we are asked to provide names of companies that perform out of warranty work on various Grundig and Eton branded products. Although we cannot recommend one repair facility over another, we understand that the companies below specialize in repair and restoration of out-of-warranty and older products. We cannot comment on their customary fees. We recommend that you get in touch with them and determine for yourself whether the fees they charge are reasonable for the work you wish to have performed. We are providing this information as an accommodation to our customers. Please note that these are private, independent companies, and not part of our company, Eton Corporation, and that we bear no responsibility for work performed by these companies or for warranties, guarantees or promises made by them with respect to repairs, repair costs, or repair time frames. Below is their contact information. * ACT Electronics in Hawaiian Gardens, near Long Beach, CA; Mr. Adrian Ilie, owner; 562-809-0263 or 1-800-824-7094; . * Bavarian Radio Works in Massachusetts; contact Mr. Ross Hochstrasser, owner, at 781-447-4299 or . * EBM Electronics, 80 Acorn Place, Unit 50, Mississauga, Ontario L4Z 4E1; 905-755-9527; . The owner is Mr. Edvard Mahnic. Will also do repairs from U.S. customers. Please include this email in any subsequent response. Walter Hess, Technical Support Manager Eton Corporation, 1015 Corporation Way, Palo Alto, CA 94303; phones active 8:30-4 Pacific Time; 1-800-872-2228 (from the U.S.); 1-800-637-1648 (from Canada); 650-903-3866 (from any location); FAX 650-903-3867; ; http://www.etoncorp.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Bill N. ] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:57 PM To: Scott Inman Subject: led Fr200 do they make an led to keep the light from using so much energy? Thanks "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "Jennie" wrote: Here is some more replacement bulbs to LED... http://www.ledcorp.com/catalog.html "Telamon" wrote in message .. . In article , (Mark Zenier) wrote: In article , Jennie wrote: what is the bulb number in the fr200? If it is the 1157, a common bulb, the bulb at aerostich has a LED replacement... http://www.aerostich.com/riderwearhouse.store search for 2542 for led replacements for 1157 bulbs....15 Ma vs. 590 Ma for regular bulbs HUH? An 1157 is a 12 volt automotive turn signal lamp. It's an S8 envelope and is over an inch across and runs 7 watts or so. The lamp in a FR200 is a 5 mm long grain of wheat incandescent with wire leads. There is some sort of circuit to drive it, because the lamp is running on about 2.5 volts, with about 2 volts difference between the the + side of the AA batteries. (The lamp runs on either/both the AA cells and the rechargeable NiMH pack). BTW, there's a spare lamp in there behind the pop off lamp holder, in a little recess in the radio case. But that 7 watts will really light things up. Someone was talking about using LED's for incandescent bulbs. If you want to do this the forward drop on them is typically around 1.3 to 1.8 volts. You just need a series resistor to limit the current usually around 12 to 18 mA. Digi-key will list them with there typical voltage and current ratings so you can find one for your situation. I'll make the brash assumption the that the lower voltage units put out less light and require less current to operate. The lumens or light output is not part of the specifications so you will have to guess. One other thing to keep in mind about any LED is that they decrease their output over their lifetime. They look pretty pricey. http://www.ledcorp.com/catalog.html -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Armed with this piece of the puzzle at
http://flashlightreviews.home.att.net/mods/prbulbs.html What LED and resister will give great light time for the battery juice? Thanks "Jennie" wrote in message ... http://flashlightreviews.home.att.net/mods/prbulbs.html "Jennie" wrote in message ... Reply from eton tech support about a led replacement for fr200... If your unit draws excess current, it has a bulb, not a LED. The bulb can be replaced with a LED. Most competent repair shops can do this. If you can't find one in your area, the shops below can do it. NON-WARRANTY SERVICE FOR ETON/GRUNDIG PRODUCTS: From time to time we are asked to provide names of companies that perform out of warranty work on various Grundig and Eton branded products. Although we cannot recommend one repair facility over another, we understand that the companies below specialize in repair and restoration of out-of-warranty and older products. We cannot comment on their customary fees. We recommend that you get in touch with them and determine for yourself whether the fees they charge are reasonable for the work you wish to have performed. We are providing this information as an accommodation to our customers. Please note that these are private, independent companies, and not part of our company, Eton Corporation, and that we bear no responsibility for work performed by these companies or for warranties, guarantees or promises made by them with respect to repairs, repair costs, or repair time frames. Below is their contact information. * ACT Electronics in Hawaiian Gardens, near Long Beach, CA; Mr. Adrian Ilie, owner; 562-809-0263 or 1-800-824-7094; . * Bavarian Radio Works in Massachusetts; contact Mr. Ross Hochstrasser, owner, at 781-447-4299 or . * EBM Electronics, 80 Acorn Place, Unit 50, Mississauga, Ontario L4Z 4E1; 905-755-9527; . The owner is Mr. Edvard Mahnic. Will also do repairs from U.S. customers. Please include this email in any subsequent response. Walter Hess, Technical Support Manager Eton Corporation, 1015 Corporation Way, Palo Alto, CA 94303; phones active 8:30-4 Pacific Time; 1-800-872-2228 (from the U.S.); 1-800-637-1648 (from Canada); 650-903-3866 (from any location); FAX 650-903-3867; ; http://www.etoncorp.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Bill N. ] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:57 PM To: Scott Inman Subject: led Fr200 do they make an led to keep the light from using so much energy? Thanks "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "Jennie" wrote: Here is some more replacement bulbs to LED... http://www.ledcorp.com/catalog.html "Telamon" wrote in message .. . In article , (Mark Zenier) wrote: In article , Jennie wrote: what is the bulb number in the fr200? If it is the 1157, a common bulb, the bulb at aerostich has a LED replacement... http://www.aerostich.com/riderwearhouse.store search for 2542 for led replacements for 1157 bulbs....15 Ma vs. 590 Ma for regular bulbs HUH? An 1157 is a 12 volt automotive turn signal lamp. It's an S8 envelope and is over an inch across and runs 7 watts or so. The lamp in a FR200 is a 5 mm long grain of wheat incandescent with wire leads. There is some sort of circuit to drive it, because the lamp is running on about 2.5 volts, with about 2 volts difference between the the + side of the AA batteries. (The lamp runs on either/both the AA cells and the rechargeable NiMH pack). BTW, there's a spare lamp in there behind the pop off lamp holder, in a little recess in the radio case. But that 7 watts will really light things up. Someone was talking about using LED's for incandescent bulbs. If you want to do this the forward drop on them is typically around 1.3 to 1.8 volts. You just need a series resistor to limit the current usually around 12 to 18 mA. Digi-key will list them with there typical voltage and current ratings so you can find one for your situation. I'll make the brash assumption the that the lower voltage units put out less light and require less current to operate. The lumens or light output is not part of the specifications so you will have to guess. One other thing to keep in mind about any LED is that they decrease their output over their lifetime. They look pretty pricey. http://www.ledcorp.com/catalog.html -- Telamon Ventura, California |
In article ,
Jennie wrote: Armed with this piece of the puzzle at http://flashlightreviews.home.att.net/mods/prbulbs.html What LED and resister will give great light time for the battery juice? Why not just Velcro a LED flashlight to the side of the radio? If you don't use the lamp, it doesn't run down the battery. Mark Zenier Washington State resident |
Have had my led mod light in for 24 hours now and it is still bright, no
sign of battery drainage...Put new batteries in before I put the LED mod in yesterday. Let you know how long the light last without the crank or new batteries....The LED is not as bright as the bulb, but perfectly acceptable... "Mark Zenier" wrote in message ... In article , Jennie wrote: Armed with this piece of the puzzle at http://flashlightreviews.home.att.net/mods/prbulbs.html What LED and resister will give great light time for the battery juice? Why not just Velcro a LED flashlight to the side of the radio? If you don't use the lamp, it doesn't run down the battery. Mark Zenier Washington State resident |
I wish I had a web cam to leave on so u folks could watch the test....
"Jennie" wrote in message ... Have had my led mod light in for 24 hours now and it is still bright, no sign of battery drainage...Put new batteries in before I put the LED mod in yesterday. Let you know how long the light last without the crank or new batteries....The LED is not as bright as the bulb, but perfectly acceptable... "Mark Zenier" wrote in message ... In article , Jennie wrote: Armed with this piece of the puzzle at http://flashlightreviews.home.att.net/mods/prbulbs.html What LED and resister will give great light time for the battery juice? Why not just Velcro a LED flashlight to the side of the radio? If you don't use the lamp, it doesn't run down the battery. Mark Zenier Washington State resident |
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