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Brenda Ann Dyer October 8th 04 07:09 AM

I find this VERY interesting.. we're policing speech worldwide now??
 
From the IndyMedia website:

Thursday morning, US authorities issued a federal order to Rackspace
ordering them to hand over Indymedia web servers to the requesting agency.
Rackspace, which provides hosting services for more that 20 Indymedia sites
at its London facility, complied and turned over the requested servers,
effectively removing those sites from the internet.

Since the subpoena was issued to Rackspace and not to Indymedia, the reasons
for this action are still unknown to Indymedia. Talking to Indymedia
volunteers, Rackspace stated that "they cannot provide Indymedia with any
information regarding the order." ISPs have received gag orders in similar
situations which prevent them from updating the concerned parties on what is
happening.

It is unclear to Indymedia how and why a server that is outside the US
jurisdiction can be seized by US authorities.

At the same time an additional server was taken down at Rackspace which
provided streaming radio to several radio stations, BLAG (linux distro), and
a handful of miscellanous things.

The last few months have seen numerous attacks on independent media by the
US Federal Government. In August the Secret Service used a subpoena in an
attempt to disrupt the NYC IMC before the RNC by trying to get IP logs from
an ISP in the US and the Netherlands. Last month the FCC shut down community
radio stations around the US. Two weeks ago the FBI requested that Indymedia
takes down a post on the Nantes IMC that had a photo of some undercover
Swiss police and IMC volunteers in Seattle were visited by the FBI on the
same issue. On the other hand, Indymedia and other independent media
organisations were successfull with their victories for example against
Diebold and the Patroit Act. Today however, the US authorities shut down
IMCs around the world.

The list of affected local media collectives includes Ambazonia, Uruguay,
Andorra, Poland, Western Massachusetts, Nice, Nantes, Lilles, Marseille (all
France), Euskal Herria (Basque Country), Liege, East and West Vlaanderen,
Antwerpen (all Belgium), Belgrade, Portugal, Prague, Galiza, Italy, Brazil,
UK, part of the Germany site, and the global Indymedia Radio site.


--
Illigitimus non tatum carborundum

(Don't let the *******s wear you down)



dxAce October 8th 04 11:57 AM



Brenda Ann Dyer wrote:

From the IndyMedia website:

Thursday morning, US authorities issued a federal order to Rackspace
ordering them to hand over Indymedia web servers to the requesting agency.
Rackspace, which provides hosting services for more that 20 Indymedia sites
at its London facility, complied and turned over the requested servers,
effectively removing those sites from the internet.

Since the subpoena was issued to Rackspace and not to Indymedia, the reasons
for this action are still unknown to Indymedia. Talking to Indymedia
volunteers, Rackspace stated that "they cannot provide Indymedia with any
information regarding the order." ISPs have received gag orders in similar
situations which prevent them from updating the concerned parties on what is
happening.

It is unclear to Indymedia how and why a server that is outside the US
jurisdiction can be seized by US authorities.

At the same time an additional server was taken down at Rackspace which
provided streaming radio to several radio stations, BLAG (linux distro), and
a handful of miscellanous things.

The last few months have seen numerous attacks on independent media by the
US Federal Government. In August the Secret Service used a subpoena in an
attempt to disrupt the NYC IMC before the RNC by trying to get IP logs from
an ISP in the US and the Netherlands. Last month the FCC shut down community
radio stations around the US. Two weeks ago the FBI requested that Indymedia
takes down a post on the Nantes IMC that had a photo of some undercover
Swiss police and IMC volunteers in Seattle were visited by the FBI on the
same issue. On the other hand, Indymedia and other independent media
organisations were successfull with their victories for example against
Diebold and the Patroit Act. Today however, the US authorities shut down
IMCs around the world.

The list of affected local media collectives includes Ambazonia, Uruguay,
Andorra, Poland, Western Massachusetts, Nice, Nantes, Lilles, Marseille (all
France), Euskal Herria (Basque Country), Liege, East and West Vlaanderen,
Antwerpen (all Belgium), Belgrade, Portugal, Prague, Galiza, Italy, Brazil,
UK, part of the Germany site, and the global Indymedia Radio site.


Must have possibly been up to something nefarious.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

There's a little dx, in everything I post. ©


m II October 8th 04 01:47 PM

dxAce wrote:

The list of affected local media collectives includes Ambazonia, Uruguay,
Andorra, Poland, Western Massachusetts, Nice, Nantes, Lilles, Marseille (all
France), Euskal Herria (Basque Country), Liege, East and West Vlaanderen,
Antwerpen (all Belgium), Belgrade, Portugal, Prague, Galiza, Italy, Brazil,
UK, part of the Germany site, and the global Indymedia Radio site.



Must have possibly been up to something nefarious.



Yes. They were practicing freedom of speech. We all know how much you
hate that.

Will you be buying another thousand rounds of ammunition this weekend?
You implied this is tied to voting registration irregularities in Ohio,
where OVER 100 percent of all eligible voters have already registered.




mike

dxAce October 8th 04 01:50 PM



m II wrote:

dxAce wrote:

The list of affected local media collectives includes Ambazonia, Uruguay,
Andorra, Poland, Western Massachusetts, Nice, Nantes, Lilles, Marseille (all
France), Euskal Herria (Basque Country), Liege, East and West Vlaanderen,
Antwerpen (all Belgium), Belgrade, Portugal, Prague, Galiza, Italy, Brazil,
UK, part of the Germany site, and the global Indymedia Radio site.



Must have possibly been up to something nefarious.


Yes. They were practicing freedom of speech. We all know how much you
hate that.

Will you be buying another thousand rounds of ammunition this weekend?
You implied this is tied to voting registration irregularities in Ohio,
where OVER 100 percent of all eligible voters have already registered.


Will you be looking to purchase a clue this weekend? You've implied via your posts
in the past that you do not currently have one.

LMAO at the stupid Canadian 'tard.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



m II October 8th 04 02:28 PM

dxAce wrote:

LMAO at the stupid Canadian 'tard.



How long have you **Loved MAO**?


Were you converted to the Chinese communist cause during your last
military service? It appears you've hated the democratic way of life
ever since. I don't think freedom hating lunatics such yourself should
be able to amass large numbers of guns and thousands of rounds of
ammunition.

You fit the profile of a older, single, male nut case just waiting to
climb a local tower in order to teach the (fill in name of suspected
enemies here) *******s a lesson.

Will the upcoming elections be the 'trigger' for your breakdown?
Get help before it's too late.




mike

dxAce October 8th 04 02:35 PM



m II wrote:

dxAce wrote:

LMAO at the stupid Canadian 'tard.


How long have you **Loved MAO**?


Computer illiterate? (Not surprising) LMAO = Laughing My Ass Off.

Were you converted to the Chinese communist cause during your last
military service? It appears you've hated the democratic way of life
ever since. I don't think freedom hating lunatics such yourself should
be able to amass large numbers of guns and thousands of rounds of
ammunition.

You fit the profile of a older, single, male nut case just waiting to
climb a local tower in order to teach the (fill in name of suspected
enemies here) *******s a lesson.


Tower? Surely you jest 'tard boy. I'm looking forward to crossing the border...

Obviously lots of *******s over there.

LMAO at the hilariously simple Canadian 'tard.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



supernovii October 8th 04 03:01 PM


To answer your question, yes, it appears that some fascistic DXers -- step
forward JuLiE Dxer -- would indeed very much crave policing speech worldwide
right now. It's the New Rome.



JuLiE Dxer October 8th 04 03:07 PM

This is not the place for your political rants. Usenet has special
groups just for your posts. You wont be censored there.

On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:01:09 -0400, "supernovii"
wrote:


To answer your question, yes, it appears that some fascistic DXers -- step
forward JuLiE Dxer -- would indeed very much crave policing speech worldwide
right now. It's the New Rome.



Brian Running October 8th 04 04:02 PM

This is not the place for your political rants. Usenet has special
groups just for your posts. You wont be censored there.


I've made the same comment here many times. It would be nice if the group
really were focused on shortwave.

Just the same, I've watched in the past when Mike Terry was attacked by the
right-wingers for making the same plea, and the usual right-wing suspects
jump all over him, justifying their political posts here by attempting to
tie them into what they hear on shortwave. And I find it amusing that none
of the usual right-wingers are coming to the aid of Yojimbo now, defending
his right to do the same. Of course, the true irony is that it's typically
the right-wingers that holler the loudest about "double-standards." It all
depends upon whose ox is being gored.

As for me, I feel strongly both ways. The political shouters here are all
so eloquent and well-reasoned, I have to change my position constantly as
they persuade me first one way and then the other.



Burr October 8th 04 04:46 PM


"Brian Running"


As for me, I feel strongly both ways. The political shouters here are all
so eloquent and well-reasoned, I have to change my position constantly as
they persuade me first one way and then the other.


Brian, Just vote "Right" vote "Republican" and live happy ever after!!!

We'll put a new radio on you desk, a cold drink in your hand and music
to your ears!!!

Trust Us!!!!


--
Burr

Vote "RIGHT"
Vote Republican
Phu Bai/Hue, Da Nang
voteyoursport.com



Brian Running October 8th 04 05:19 PM

Brian, Just vote "Right" vote "Republican" and live happy ever after!!!

We'll put a new radio on you desk, a cold drink in your hand and music
to your ears!!!

Trust Us!!!!


Well, okay.



norman s. smiley October 8th 04 05:22 PM


"Burr" wrote in message news:bDy9d.7$j15.5@trnddc07...
Just vote "Right" vote "Republican" and live happy ever after!!!

We'll put a new radio on you desk, a cold drink in your hand and music
to your ears!!!

Trust Us!!!!


Sounds a lot like Jim Jones asking you to drink the Kool-Aid. And so it is
with Bush's suicide mission: "Trust us." Yeah, good idea, trusting the job
of extinguishing the fire to a proven arsonist!!



clifto October 8th 04 06:07 PM

Brian Running wrote:
Just the same, I've watched in the past when Mike Terry was attacked by the
right-wingers for making the same plea, and the usual right-wing suspects
jump all over him, justifying their political posts here by attempting to
tie them into what they hear on shortwave. And I find it amusing that none
of the usual right-wingers are coming to the aid of Yojimbo now, defending
his right to do the same.


I might have, except that it became apparent to me that he's a troll, and
so I killfiled him. So I'm not very aware WRT him.

I will NOT defend his copious copyright violations, nor his tactic of
flooding the group.

It's important to remember that while everyone has a right to free speech,
no one has an obligation to listen.

--
It just goes to show ya;
never have a heart valve replaced by Dr. Vinnie Boom Box.
See ya, Rodney.

Telamon October 9th 04 06:48 AM

In article ,
"Brian Running" wrote:

Snip

As for me, I feel strongly both ways. The political shouters here are all
so eloquent and well-reasoned, I have to change my position constantly as
they persuade me first one way and then the other.


Well, John Kerry has nothing on you then.

By the way have you realized that you are an idiot, everyone else has.

Plonk

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

RHF October 9th 04 07:18 AM

BAD,

These Servers should provide 'interesting intelligence' and
their temporary elimination should disrupt the C&C function
of a certain group of users.

another silent and unknown victory ~ RHF
..
..
= = = "Brenda Ann Dyer" wrote in message
= = = ...
From the IndyMedia website:

Thursday morning, US authorities issued a federal order to Rackspace
ordering them to hand over Indymedia web servers to the requesting agency.
Rackspace, which provides hosting services for more that 20 Indymedia sites
at its London facility, complied and turned over the requested servers,
effectively removing those sites from the internet.

Since the subpoena was issued to Rackspace and not to Indymedia, the reasons
for this action are still unknown to Indymedia. Talking to Indymedia
volunteers, Rackspace stated that "they cannot provide Indymedia with any
information regarding the order." ISPs have received gag orders in similar
situations which prevent them from updating the concerned parties on what is
happening.

It is unclear to Indymedia how and why a server that is outside the US
jurisdiction can be seized by US authorities.

At the same time an additional server was taken down at Rackspace which
provided streaming radio to several radio stations, BLAG (linux distro), and
a handful of miscellanous things.

The last few months have seen numerous attacks on independent media by the
US Federal Government. In August the Secret Service used a subpoena in an
attempt to disrupt the NYC IMC before the RNC by trying to get IP logs from
an ISP in the US and the Netherlands. Last month the FCC shut down community
radio stations around the US. Two weeks ago the FBI requested that Indymedia
takes down a post on the Nantes IMC that had a photo of some undercover
Swiss police and IMC volunteers in Seattle were visited by the FBI on the
same issue. On the other hand, Indymedia and other independent media
organisations were successfull with their victories for example against
Diebold and the Patroit Act. Today however, the US authorities shut down
IMCs around the world.

The list of affected local media collectives includes Ambazonia, Uruguay,
Andorra, Poland, Western Massachusetts, Nice, Nantes, Lilles, Marseille (all
France), Euskal Herria (Basque Country), Liege, East and West Vlaanderen,
Antwerpen (all Belgium), Belgrade, Portugal, Prague, Galiza, Italy, Brazil,
UK, part of the Germany site, and the global Indymedia Radio site.


Al Patrick October 9th 04 04:49 PM

Wasn't it Jimmy Carter who coined the phrase, "Just Trust Me!" ?

Also, there are some who are not so sure Jim Jones committed suicide or
murder. Wasn't there a certain congressman who just happened to be
there at the time -- along with his armed body guards? Hummmm.

"Et tu, Brute!" - You too, Brutus? Stuff happens!

Al

========

Terry wrote:

"norman s. smiley" wrote in message ...

"Burr" wrote in message news:bDy9d.7$j15.5@trnddc07...

Just vote "Right" vote "Republican" and live happy ever after!!!

We'll put a new radio on you desk, a cold drink in your hand and music
to your ears!!!

Trust Us!!!!


Sounds a lot like Jim Jones asking you to drink the Kool-Aid. And so it is
with Bush's suicide mission: "Trust us." Yeah, good idea, trusting the job
of extinguishing the fire to a proven arsonist!!



Jim Jones did not use "Kool-Aid", he used "Flavor-Aid".
see:
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Jim%20Jones
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/re...end-jim-jones/
http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/en...jim_jones.html
http://freedomofmind.com/resourcecen...ple/madman.htm
http://www.fact-index.com/j/jo/jonestown.html
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...25/ai_11897820
(note Psychology Today is a main stream media outlet and fairly respected)
http://answers.google.com/answers/ma...view&id=232174
(and I think Google is also fairly well respected)

Are the rest of your beliefs based on such flawed information?
Terry


[email protected] October 10th 04 02:05 AM

On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:09:47 -0400, dxAce wrote:



Terry wrote:

"norman s. smiley" wrote in message ...
"Burr" wrote in message news:bDy9d.7$j15.5@trnddc07...
Just vote "Right" vote "Republican" and live happy ever after!!!

We'll put a new radio on you desk, a cold drink in your hand and music
to your ears!!!

Trust Us!!!!

Sounds a lot like Jim Jones asking you to drink the Kool-Aid. And so it is
with Bush's suicide mission: "Trust us." Yeah, good idea, trusting the job
of extinguishing the fire to a proven arsonist!!


Jim Jones did not use "Kool-Aid", he used "Flavor-Aid".
see:
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Jim%20Jones
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/re...end-jim-jones/
http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/en...jim_jones.html
http://freedomofmind.com/resourcecen...ple/madman.htm
http://www.fact-index.com/j/jo/jonestown.html
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...25/ai_11897820
(note Psychology Today is a main stream media outlet and fairly respected)
http://answers.google.com/answers/ma...view&id=232174
(and I think Google is also fairly well respected)

Are the rest of your beliefs based on such flawed information?


'Kool-Aid' is used as a generic term in this context.

You do know what a 'generic term' is, do you not?


In this case, trademark violation.

m II October 10th 04 07:02 AM

Brian Hill wrote:

Gee Mike can't I keep my guns too. They really go good with freedom of
speech. Or am I reading you wrong?



Sure, no problem. You've never struck me as being as unbalanced as the
'Ace is. It's not the weaponry that bothers me. It's mental cases who
buy ammo in thousand round lots because of irregular voter registrations
in Ohio. At seventy five bucks per thousand, he's most likely supporting
the Chinese arms industry. Not exactly a patriotic move I'd say.

It's time to throw the manipulative *******s OUT of power, not shoot voters.



mike

m II October 10th 04 07:10 AM

Brian Running wrote:
Brian, Just vote "Right" vote "Republican" and live happy ever after!!!

We'll put a new radio on you desk, a cold drink in your hand and music
to your ears!!!

Trust Us!!!!



Well, okay.


No, NO! The (fill in name of OTHER party) will *empty* your glass of
that hard earned refreshment! The treasury MUST be refilled by the work
of the next four generations..sacrifices WILL be made!

They will FORCE you to listen to whatever music/talk show makes THEM
the most money! All that on an IMPORTED communist Chinese radio that put
ANOTHER twenty thousand of your fellow countrymen out of work!

The desk? Yes..it was built out of the last few standing trees in Alaska
before it was clearcut for easier oil access by (fill in name of
Corporation here)





mike

m II October 10th 04 07:18 AM

Telamon wrote:

In article ,
"Brian Running" wrote:

Snip

As for me, I feel strongly both ways. The political shouters here are all
so eloquent and well-reasoned, I have to change my position constantly as
they persuade me first one way and then the other.



Well, John Kerry has nothing on you then.

By the way have you realized that you are an idiot, everyone else has.

Plonk



You DO realize he was joking, don't you? He was being just a tad facetious.



mike

dxAce October 10th 04 11:36 AM



m II wrote:

Brian Running wrote:
Brian, Just vote "Right" vote "Republican" and live happy ever after!!!

We'll put a new radio on you desk, a cold drink in your hand and music
to your ears!!!

Trust Us!!!!



Well, okay.


No, NO! The (fill in name of OTHER party) will *empty* your glass of
that hard earned refreshment! The treasury MUST be refilled by the work
of the next four generations..sacrifices WILL be made!

They will FORCE you to listen to whatever music/talk show makes THEM
the most money! All that on an IMPORTED communist Chinese radio that put
ANOTHER twenty thousand of your fellow countrymen out of work!


LMAO at the 'tard whose country imported leaking, rusting submarines.

Instead of the Captain shouting out "dive, dive, dive" he shouts out "sink,
sink, sink".

LMAO at the stupid Canadian 'tard.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



Brian Hill October 10th 04 02:58 PM


"m II" wrote in message
news:Rf4ad.4437$qU.1469@clgrps13...
Brian Hill wrote:

Gee Mike can't I keep my guns too. They really go good with freedom of
speech. Or am I reading you wrong?



Sure, no problem. You've never struck me as being as unbalanced as the
'Ace is. It's not the weaponry that bothers me. It's mental cases who
buy ammo in thousand round lots because of irregular voter registrations
in Ohio. At seventy five bucks per thousand, he's most likely supporting
the Chinese arms industry. Not exactly a patriotic move I'd say.

It's time to throw the manipulative *******s OUT of power, not shoot

voters.



mike


I feel better now.

B.H.



dxAce October 10th 04 03:05 PM



m II wrote:

Brian Hill wrote:

Gee Mike can't I keep my guns too. They really go good with freedom of
speech. Or am I reading you wrong?


Sure, no problem. You've never struck me as being as unbalanced as the
'Ace is. It's not the weaponry that bothers me. It's mental cases who
buy ammo in thousand round lots because of irregular voter registrations
in Ohio. At seventy five bucks per thousand, he's most likely supporting
the Chinese arms industry. Not exactly a patriotic move I'd say.


A truly patriotic move would be to throw off the yoke of your colonial masters
and become a truly independent country.

I mean, those dang rusty, leaky subs were carrying the name HMCS...

You know what 'HMCS' stands for, 'tard boy? It stands for 'Her Majesty's
Canadian Ship'.

You folks got a Queen there. or are you a sovereign nation?

Can't muster up the courage, can you?

LMAO at the Canadian 'tard boy who hasn't a damn clue.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



Stephen M.H. Lawrence October 10th 04 05:09 PM


"dxAce" wrote
| You know what 'HMCS' stands for, 'tard boy? It stands for 'Her Majesty's
| Canadian Ship'.

I thought it was "Help, My Canoe's Sinking!"

73,

--
Steve Lawrence
KAØPMD
Burnsville, Minnesota

"If a man wants his dreams to come true then he must wake up."
- Anonymous


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zerbo October 11th 04 12:30 AM

"Stephen M.H. Lawrence" wrote in message
link.net...

"dxAce" wrote
| You know what 'HMCS' stands for, 'tard boy? It stands for 'Her Majesty's
| Canadian Ship'.

I thought it was "Help, My Canoe's Sinking!"


That's a good one. It's true, the Canadian military does come in for it's
fair share of mockery, and for good reason.

Having said that, when a serviceman dies, the Canadian government doesn't
pretend the death never happened. The Prime Minister actually attends and
pays his respects when the recovered body is returned home, and television
cameras are allowed to cover the dignified ceremony.

Contrast that to the American President, who sweeps the sacrifices of young
men under the rug, hides it from public view, makes no mention of the
sacrifice, instead using Orwellian rationale to "protect the family's
privacy," all the better to hide the truth and make fun of real Vets by
distributing purple bandaids.



zerbo October 11th 04 01:05 AM


"Dan" wrote in message
...

OTOH, the US is in a war.


Oh, don't be mistaken, Canada is at war, but they're still trying to mop up
the War on Poverty. I think Clinton started that one. When they succeed
there, then maybe they'll get back to the business of tackling the War on
Drugs. (Not sure if that one was Reagan's or Bush Sr.'s.) Priorities,
y'know? Curious how the United States adapted the "enemy of my enemy is my
friend" switheroo (a Flip-Flop? God forbid!!!) on that one, handing the job
of hunting down Osama to Afghan opium druglords who killed good young men
like Pat Tillman. It's hard to say when that war will conclude, as we've
since heard that America's champion allies are having their best bumper
opium harvest in decades. I guess that's what George W. Bush means by
"smoking 'em out" ... hitting the opium bong.

A war which the US did not start, but
will, in all likelyhood, finish.


Big laughs that. I know, I know, balsa-wood surveillance drones held
together with bungey-cords with a flight maxiimum of 150 kms are "the most
lethal weapons ever devised by mankind," and yes, those really were mushroom
clouds.

News flash - servicemen die in war.


1062 and counting, I believe, at least 900 post-"Mission Accomplished -- We
Have Prevailed!!" Huzzah!!



Dan




Martin October 11th 04 01:20 AM

"Dan" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:30:45 -0400, "zerbo" wrote:

Having said that, when a serviceman dies, the Canadian government doesn't
pretend the death never happened. The Prime Minister actually attends and
pays his respects when the recovered body is returned home, and television
cameras are allowed to cover the dignified ceremony.


How many servicemen does Canada lose? 10 per century?

OTOH, the US is in a war. A war which the US did not start, but
will, in all likelyhood, finish. News flash - servicemen die in war.

Dan


The US is *ALWAYS* in a war...

Watch out Canada - they have their sights set on you too!!



Martin October 11th 04 01:27 AM

"Dan" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:30:45 -0400, "zerbo" wrote:

Having said that, when a serviceman dies, the Canadian government doesn't
pretend the death never happened. The Prime Minister actually attends and
pays his respects when the recovered body is returned home, and television
cameras are allowed to cover the dignified ceremony.


How many servicemen does Canada lose? 10 per century?

OTOH, the US is in a war. A war which the US did not start, but
will, in all likelyhood, finish. News flash - servicemen die in war.

Dan


BTW - the last time I saw your good old US Navy fighter jets over here in
Australia, they couldn't land on the runway of our air force base because it
didn't have any cables across it and it was too short for them to land an
F14 (or whatever)!!!

Mind you, they use that base to land 747's and your Galaxy's without probs -
just your retarded fighter pilots that can't land a plane without a cable to
stop them!! BWAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!

Has the US Air Force/Navy stopped bombing their own allies yet??? No wonder
countries are hesitant to rally alongside the US - how many british forces
were lost due to 'friendly fire' from US planes?????

And you wanna pick on Canada?? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



zerbo October 11th 04 01:35 AM


"Dan" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:05:43 -0400, "zerbo" wrote:

News flash - servicemen die in war.


1062 and counting, I believe, at least 900 post-"Mission Accomplished --

We
Have Prevailed!!" Huzzah!!


An extremely small number, by any measure. Hell, there were 42,643
people killed in traffic accidents alone in the US in 2003.


I like that!! A new War On Traffic Accidents.

That
means that EVERY YEAR, we lose nearly the same amount as we lost in
the entire Vietnam war. 1062 lives lost in a war for our very
survival is a trivial number.


Is 3000 people killed in the WTC a "trivial number"? I certainly hope not.
Or why else would you be paying down a couple cool trillion dollars on them?



Kinda puts it in perspective, doesn't it?

Dan




zerbo October 11th 04 01:51 AM


"Dan" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:35:05 -0400, "zerbo" wrote:


Is 3000 people killed in the WTC a "trivial number"? I certainly hope

not.

Of course not. That's what started the current war.


The president and vice-president now isist that Saddam had no connection to
9/11. They blame Osama for that. (Osama is the guy that Bush outsourced the
hunt to opium warlords instead of U.S. special forces.)

3000 innocent
civilians, BTW.


Those traffic fatalities were innocent too. By your own count, not mine,
these are trivial.



Dan




Telamon October 11th 04 05:08 AM

In article ,
"Martin" wrote:

"Dan" wrote in message
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On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:30:45 -0400, "zerbo" wrote:

Having said that,


Snip

You have said more than enough.

Plonk

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Ventura, California

RHF October 11th 04 06:00 AM

= = = "Stephen M.H. Lawrence" wrote in message
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"dxAce" wrote
| You know what 'HMCS' stands for, 'tard boy? It stands for 'Her Majesty's
| Canadian Ship'.

I thought it was "Help, My Canoe's Sinking!"



SMHL - LMAO ROTF ~ RHF



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MnMikew October 11th 04 06:30 PM


"m II" wrote in message
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dxAce wrote:

The list of affected local media collectives includes Ambazonia,

Uruguay,
Andorra, Poland, Western Massachusetts, Nice, Nantes, Lilles, Marseille

(all
France), Euskal Herria (Basque Country), Liege, East and West

Vlaanderen,
Antwerpen (all Belgium), Belgrade, Portugal, Prague, Galiza, Italy,

Brazil,
UK, part of the Germany site, and the global Indymedia Radio site.



Must have possibly been up to something nefarious.



Yes. They were practicing freedom of speech. We all know how much you
hate that.

Will you be buying another thousand rounds of ammunition this weekend?
You implied this is tied to voting registration irregularities in Ohio,
where OVER 100 percent of all eligible voters have already registered.

At least we can buy ammunition, unlike you. Your freedoms are eroded every
year. You're just to dim to notice.



clifto October 11th 04 08:47 PM

Martin wrote:
BTW - the last time I saw your good old US Navy fighter jets over here in
Australia, they couldn't land on the runway of our air force base because it
didn't have any cables across it and it was too short for them to land an
F14 (or whatever)!!!


You really should have kept this one to yourself. Your extreme ignorance
is highlighted by this article.

--
It just goes to show ya;
never have a heart valve replaced by Dr. Vinnie Boom Box.
See ya, Rodney.

Brian Hill October 12th 04 12:30 AM


"Martin" wrote in message
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"Dan" wrote in message
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On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:30:45 -0400, "zerbo" wrote:

Having said that, when a serviceman dies, the Canadian government

doesn't
pretend the death never happened. The Prime Minister actually attends

and
pays his respects when the recovered body is returned home, and

television
cameras are allowed to cover the dignified ceremony.


How many servicemen does Canada lose? 10 per century?

OTOH, the US is in a war. A war which the US did not start, but
will, in all likelyhood, finish. News flash - servicemen die in war.

Dan


BTW - the last time I saw your good old US Navy fighter jets over here in
Australia, they couldn't land on the runway of our air force base because

it
didn't have any cables across it and it was too short for them to land an
F14 (or whatever)!!!

Mind you, they use that base to land 747's and your Galaxy's without

probs -
just your retarded fighter pilots that can't land a plane without a cable

to
stop them!! BWAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!

Has the US Air Force/Navy stopped bombing their own allies yet??? No

wonder
countries are hesitant to rally alongside the US - how many british forces
were lost due to 'friendly fire' from US planes?????

And you wanna pick on Canada?? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Go drink another Fosters dummy.

B.H.



m II October 13th 04 03:38 AM

Brian Hill wrote:

Go drink another Fosters dummy.



My son, my son...I see you're back to your sinning ways...I feel a great
sorrow...


father mike

Brian Hill October 13th 04 09:35 PM


"m II" wrote in message
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Brian Hill wrote:

Go drink another Fosters dummy.



My son, my son...I see you're back to your sinning ways...I feel a great
sorrow...


father mike


Its not a sin Mike it's a fact, America fighter pilots are the best in the
world.

B.H.



Don Loder October 16th 04 02:16 PM

On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 15:46:15 GMT, "Burr" wrote:


"Brian Running"


As for me, I feel strongly both ways. The political shouters here are all
so eloquent and well-reasoned, I have to change my position constantly as
they persuade me first one way and then the other.


Brian, Just vote "Right" vote "Republican" and live happy ever after!!!

We'll put a new radio on you desk, a cold drink in your hand and music
to your ears!!!

Trust Us!!!!


Yes, a one party system.

"Resistance is futile... WE WILL ASSIMILATE YOU!"


Mike Terry October 16th 04 05:47 PM


"Don Loder" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 15:46:15 GMT, "Burr" wrote:


"Brian Running"


As for me, I feel strongly both ways. The political shouters here are

all
so eloquent and well-reasoned, I have to change my position constantly

as
they persuade me first one way and then the other.


Sorry Don but what's this to do with shortwave, sorry if I have missed your
point but this seems to be about internal US politics.

73s

Mike




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