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Mike October 14th 04 06:19 PM

Need help with antenna decision/ 70' mount
 
I currently am using an Alpha Delta DX-Ultra mounted at 70' sloping to
about 15 feet above ground. This antenna in this configuration is
noisy. I am considering an Alpha Delta DX-SWL or maybe a vertical
antenna. I know the height is a bit much, but the higher it goes the
more antenna I can get on my property. I even used this antenna in an
inverted "V" configuration with much noise. So if you had an area you
could easily mount an antenna 70' in the air what would you go with
that would not be noisy. I like to have this antenna work on the
tropical bands.
This antenna is suspended from a tree using a pulley system.
Thanks to all
If I find a solution the DX-Ultra will be sold...anyone interested?

dxAce October 14th 04 06:47 PM



Mike wrote:

I currently am using an Alpha Delta DX-Ultra mounted at 70' sloping to
about 15 feet above ground. This antenna in this configuration is
noisy. I am considering an Alpha Delta DX-SWL or maybe a vertical
antenna. I know the height is a bit much, but the higher it goes the
more antenna I can get on my property. I even used this antenna in an
inverted "V" configuration with much noise. So if you had an area you
could easily mount an antenna 70' in the air what would you go with
that would not be noisy. I like to have this antenna work on the
tropical bands.
This antenna is suspended from a tree using a pulley system.
Thanks to all
If I find a solution the DX-Ultra will be sold...anyone interested?


If you mounted that antenna in different configurations and you still had noise,
then you probably do not have an antenna problem but a noise problem.

Investigate that before you try anything else.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



Billy Everhart October 14th 04 07:28 PM

On 14 Oct 2004 10:19:24 -0700,
(Mike) wrote:

I currently am using an Alpha Delta DX-Ultra mounted at 70' sloping to
about 15 feet above ground. This antenna in this configuration is
noisy. I am considering an Alpha Delta DX-SWL or maybe a vertical
antenna. I know the height is a bit much, but the higher it goes the
more antenna I can get on my property. I even used this antenna in an
inverted "V" configuration with much noise. So if you had an area you
could easily mount an antenna 70' in the air what would you go with
that would not be noisy. I like to have this antenna work on the
tropical bands.
This antenna is suspended from a tree using a pulley system.
Thanks to all
If I find a solution the DX-Ultra will be sold...anyone interested?



It's your antenna. Don't listen to the fat one - dxTard. Check your
ground leg. Try a different grounding point.

Good luck.

dxAce October 14th 04 07:38 PM



Billy Everhart wrote:

On 14 Oct 2004 10:19:24 -0700,
(Mike) wrote:

I currently am using an Alpha Delta DX-Ultra mounted at 70' sloping to
about 15 feet above ground. This antenna in this configuration is
noisy. I am considering an Alpha Delta DX-SWL or maybe a vertical
antenna. I know the height is a bit much, but the higher it goes the
more antenna I can get on my property. I even used this antenna in an
inverted "V" configuration with much noise. So if you had an area you
could easily mount an antenna 70' in the air what would you go with
that would not be noisy. I like to have this antenna work on the
tropical bands.
This antenna is suspended from a tree using a pulley system.
Thanks to all
If I find a solution the DX-Ultra will be sold...anyone interested?


It's your antenna. Don't listen to the fat one - dxTard. Check your
ground leg. Try a different grounding point.


Yeah, I wouldn't listen to me either. I've only been doing this shortwave thing
for a few months.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



Mark Keith October 15th 04 12:02 AM

(Mike) wrote in message . com...
I currently am using an Alpha Delta DX-Ultra mounted at 70' sloping to
about 15 feet above ground. This antenna in this configuration is
noisy. I am considering an Alpha Delta DX-SWL or maybe a vertical
antenna. I know the height is a bit much, but the higher it goes the
more antenna I can get on my property. I even used this antenna in an
inverted "V" configuration with much noise. So if you had an area you
could easily mount an antenna 70' in the air what would you go with
that would not be noisy. I like to have this antenna work on the
tropical bands.
This antenna is suspended from a tree using a pulley system.
Thanks to all
If I find a solution the DX-Ultra will be sold...anyone interested?


Noisy? Where/what is the noise source? Sounds like to me it's working
normally, unless you have a problem with the feedline picking up shack
or house noise.
If the noise is the normal atmospheric noise, or man made noise close
by in the area, it is working normally. In general, the better the
antenna, the higher the noise pickup. Noise is rf just like any other
signal, and follows the same rules. For general listening, you may
well find a vertical to be even noisier if the noise is local and
mostly vertically polarized. If you had it balanced in an inv vee
config, and you know the feedline was not the problem, IE: noise
ingress, common mode ,etc, it's working normally. If I have a high
man made noise level in the area, all my antennas pick up a lot of
noise. I expect them to. Truly "quiet" antennas are usually lame
antennas. Can't really say much more rationally, without knowing
where/what the noise is...I also don't know how they are feeding that
antenna. Feeding it balanced as an inv vee should be the best as far
as reducing common mode feedline problems, assuming you are using a
balun or choke. If you have the spare wire, coax, try a standard 1/2
wave dipole cut for 49m or thereabouts. Use a 1:1 balun or a coax
choke at the feedpoint. If it's noisy too, I agree with one of the
other posters...You have a noise problem, not an antenna problem. BTW,
those lower frequencies are normally noisy sounding, except maybe in
the dead of winter. Don't confuse atmospheric noise pickup as an
antenna problem. That means it's working. Unless the antenna is a
vertical, or other "incomplete" antenna that requires an rf ground
under it, there is really no reason to have to use a ground. Ground is
not a noise soak. It's a noise source. You need to find out if the
noise is from the shack, or from a distance. You can reduce shack
noise, and feedline ingress problems, but you can't do anything about
distant noise, unless you cure it from the source. MK

RHF October 15th 04 08:15 AM

= = = (Mike) wrote in message
= = = . com...
I currently am using an Alpha Delta DX-Ultra mounted at 70' sloping to
about 15 feet above ground. This antenna in this configuration is
noisy. I am considering an Alpha Delta DX-SWL or maybe a vertical
antenna. I know the height is a bit much, but the higher it goes the
more antenna I can get on my property. I even used this antenna in an
inverted "V" configuration with much noise. So if you had an area you
could easily mount an antenna 70' in the air what would you go with
that would not be noisy. I like to have this antenna work on the
tropical bands.
This antenna is suspended from a tree using a pulley system.
Thanks to all
If I find a solution the DX-Ultra will be sold...anyone interested?



MM,

Remove (Take-Down) your Alpha Delta DX-Ultra (ADDXU) Antenna.

Run /Route a Coax Cable from your Radio to a "Spot" at the 'base'
of the Tree (Top Tie-Off Point) -or- the Bottom Tie-Off Point
of your ADDXU; which ever is closer to your Radio's location.

At this "Spot" install a Ground Rod and Wire.

Buy a SWL Matching Transformer (Balun-UnUn-MLB)
and 'mount' the MT on the Ground Rod.

Buy some Wire for an Antenna Element. (Chose One)
- Run/Route the Wire UP the Tree and (Sloping) DOWN to the
Bottom Tie-Off Point and secure it.
[ Think of this as a Vertical-Fed "7" Laying on it's Side ]
- Run/Route the Wire UP (Sloping) to the Tree Top
Tie-Off Point and secure it.
[ This a common Bottom-to-Top "Sloper' ]
- Run/Route the Wire UP (Sloping) to the Tree Top and
DOWN to a near-ground Tie-Off Point at the base of the
Tree and secure it.
[ Think of this as a Sloper-Fed "7" Laying on it's Side ]

Connect the Wire Antenna Element; Ground Wire; and
Coax Cable to the Matching Transformer.

NOTE: Since you state that you are having High RFI/EMF
Noise Levels. You may wish to consider "Burying" your
Coax Cable Feed-in-Line from the Antenna to your House.
OR - You may wish to consider a Feed-in-Line Isolator
(1:1 Matching Transformer) at the point that your Coax Cable
enters your house. A second Grounding Point (Ground Rod)
could also be used here.

INFO - Low Noise Antenna using the Universal Magnetic Balun
and the Antenna Feeder Isolator - by Wellbrook Communications
http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/longwire.html
DIAGRAM - The Correct Way To Install A Longwire Antenna/Balun

READ - Antennas - Five Things to Consider : Antenna, Balun, Ground, Coax & Planning
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...a/message/1544


ABOUT - The Alpha Delta DX-Ultra (Dipole) and DX-SWL (Sloper) Antennas
http://usa.shortwavestore.com/shortwave-antennas.html
http://www.alphadeltacom.com/pg1.htm

Installation Instructions - Alpha Delta DX-Ultra (Dipoles) Antennas
http://www.alphadeltacom.com/dxlb_ii.htm
http://www.rys.nl/dxultra.html

Alpha Delta DX-SWL (Sloper) Antenna
http://www.alphadeltacom.com/pg7.htm

Installation Instructions - Alpha Delta DX-SWL Antennas
http://www.alphadeltacom.com/dxswlii.htm
Optimum 'mounting Height of 25 Feet (Top)
with the Bottom-End at 8-9 Feet above ground.
http://www.rys.nl/addxswl_ii.htm

Quarter Wave Length (1/4WL) Slopers - Here's How to Do it RIGHT !
Wanna Work Some GREAT Low Band DX in Limited Space Area ?
http://www.alphadeltacom.com/qw_slopers.html


Which is Better ? The Quarter Wave Length (1/4WL) Sloper Antennas
or the Inverted "V" Dipole Antennas
- presented by Alpha Delta Communications Inc.
http://www.alphadeltacom.com/pdf/slo...inverted_v.pdf


iane ~ RHF
..
Some Say: On A Clear Day You Can See Forever.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...na/message/502
I BELIEVE: On A Clear Night . . .
You Can Hear Forever and Beyond, The Beyond !
..
..

Al October 15th 04 01:45 PM

"dxAce" wrote in message
...
If you mounted that antenna in different configurations and you still had
noise,
then you probably do not have an antenna problem but a noise problem.
Investigate that before you try anything else.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



I agree. Search out the noise sources and eliminate them if possible. The
antenna you have has many good reviews, I don't believe it is the problem.

Al KA5JGV
San Antonio, Tx.




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