BPL and the FCC
 

I see that the FCC has approved modified part 15 rules to allow BPL
deployment. If I understand correctly, without the modified rules the BPL
providers are emitting more interference than permitted. I see no
dissenting opinion from anyone in the FCC board, and only a cursory mention
to "licensed radio services" and "amateur radio." The only protection
action to be taken is notching in case of complaints from users of amateur
radio and "licensed radio." Aeronautical communications are mentioned as
needing protection (no BPL on those frequencies entirely). If BPL is so
interference-free as the proponents would lead people to believe, why the
need to notch the aeronautical bands? Obviously interference will be both
very high and long distance. Is this the end of shortwave around the
world? I have no doubt that being in southern Canada, this will make
hearing shortwave broadcasts more difficult. In BPL deployed areas in the
USA, I wouldn't be surprised if it is impossible.

Someone's going to chime in now and say that internet radio is the answer
to everything--well, you can't listen to some kooks like the North Koreans
or Cuba on the internet without getting on some watch list, I'd bet. On
SW, big brother has little way to track and no business knowing what you
are listening to. I suppose this is one reason the frequencies were
squandered so easily.

Part 15 licensees have to accept any interference, I recommend anyone with
amateur radio equipment do a lot of frequency tests in BPL deployed areas.

Conan Ford wrote:

Someone's going to chime in now and say that internet radio is the answer
to everything--well, you can't listen to some kooks like the North Koreans
or Cuba on the internet without getting on some watch list, I'd bet.


IP/TCP numbers are like a fingerprint. Whoever wants to badly enough,
can monitor what you do and when. Privacy is non existent. It's like
sending all your mail in open envelopes.


dxAce will be by in a minute to tell us why this is a good thing and
serves to protect us from the falling sky.

I'd rather have freedom than a police state.



mike

Conan Ford wrote:

I see that the FCC has approved modified part 15 rules to allow BPL
deployment. If I understand correctly, without the modified rules the BPL
providers are emitting more interference than permitted. I see no
dissenting opinion from anyone in the FCC board, and only a cursory mention
to "licensed radio services" and "amateur radio." The only protection
action to be taken is notching in case of complaints from users of amateur
radio and "licensed radio." Aeronautical communications are mentioned as
needing protection (no BPL on those frequencies entirely). If BPL is so
interference-free as the proponents would lead people to believe, why the
need to notch the aeronautical bands? Obviously interference will be both
very high and long distance. Is this the end of shortwave around the
world? I have no doubt that being in southern Canada, this will make
hearing shortwave broadcasts more difficult. In BPL deployed areas in the
USA, I wouldn't be surprised if it is impossible.

The test will come when someone files a law suit against a BPL provider,
siting interference to some area of the HF spectrum. Until then it's
hard to say what the future of BPL will be. Hopefully the BPL industry
will be discouraged by the constant threat of litigation.


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"starman" wrote in message
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The test will come when someone files a law suit against a BPL provider,
siting interference to some area of the HF spectrum. Until then it's
hard to say what the future of BPL will be.

I see at least *some* hope where this is concerned. At least a couple of
power companies shut down their BPL field trials before their scheduled
end-dates. Check out these articles:

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2004/08/06/2/?nc=1

http://www2.arrl.org/news/stories/2004/06/28/2/

I only hope that most power companies considering implementing this
technology will come to see the BPL profit to loss ratios as being far
skewed towards the latter rather than the former.

Jackie

"Buzzygirl" wrote in message
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| "starman" wrote in message
| ...
|
| The test will come when someone files a law suit against a BPL provider,
| siting interference to some area of the HF spectrum. Until then it's
| hard to say what the future of BPL will be.
|
| I see at least *some* hope where this is concerned. At least a couple of
| power companies shut down their BPL field trials before their scheduled
| end-dates. Check out these articles:
|
| http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2004/08/06/2/?nc=1
|
| http://www2.arrl.org/news/stories/2004/06/28/2/
|
| I only hope that most power companies considering implementing this
| technology will come to see the BPL profit to loss ratios as being far
| skewed towards the latter rather than the former.
|
| Jackie

Regarding amateur radio operators of General Class up through Extra:
The FCC states that hams are required to use the minimum power
necessary to establish and maintain HF communications. It is my belief
that, in areas where BPL is used, we will need to use the maximum of
1,500 watts. BPL causes interference - this we already know - but BPL
can be shut down by amateur operators who will, inevitably, need to use
a higher power. (insert evil grin here)

73,

--
Steve Lawrence
KAØPMD
Burnsville, Minnesota

"If a man wants his dreams to come true then he must wake up."
- Anonymous


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"Conan Ford" wrote in message
3.159...


[snip]

Obviously interference will be both
very high and long distance.

What's so obvious? Is it obvious that BPL will have widespread deployment?
Does FCC acceceptance fix the engineering problems BPL has? Does FCC
accecptance fix the economic problems BPL has?

Why have several companies dropped their BPL plans?



Is this the end of shortwave around the
world?

[snip]

Why worry?

It's a buying opportunity for the true BPL believer. Just toss your entire
life savings into BPL supplier stock. BPL is going to be BIG!! Invest
everything. Everything you can beg, borrow or steal!! You can pay it back
out of the big profits you will make. You will be so rich you won't give a
damn about SW!!

Frank Dresser

In article , starman wrote:

The test will come when someone files a law suit against a BPL provider,
siting interference to some area of the HF spectrum. Until then it's
hard to say what the future of BPL will be. Hopefully the BPL industry
will be discouraged by the constant threat of litigation.

Or, it may be necessary to sue FCC to enforce its own regulations.

--

jhhaynes at earthlink dot net

Let the war begin?!

America versus the evil FCC and money hungry electrical companies!

JuLiE Dxer wrote:

Let the war begin?!

America versus the evil FCC and money hungry electrical companies!

If, and I say if, BPL ever does get rolling and raking in the big bucks,
watch for Powell and some of the other higher lawyer officials in the
FCC leave for high paying jobs do nothing jobs with energy companies as
their reward for pushing BPL through.

"Stephen M.H. Lawrence" wrote in message but BPL
can be shut down by amateur operators who will, inevitably, need to use
a higher power. (insert evil grin here)

Lets all become obsolete old farts and run long winded, high power,
weiner roasting, AM!!! Let the Calling All Powerlines "CAP" contests
begin! My henry console is jumping around squeaking and beeping like
R2D2 just itching to join the fight against the dark side. MK

Jim Haynes wrote:

In article , starman wrote:

The test will come when someone files a law suit against a BPL provider,
siting interference to some area of the HF spectrum. Until then it's
hard to say what the future of BPL will be. Hopefully the BPL industry
will be discouraged by the constant threat of litigation.

Or, it may be necessary to sue FCC to enforce its own regulations.

That would be a class action suit I would support.


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"Mark Keith" wrote in message
...
| "Stephen M.H. Lawrence" wrote in message but BPL
| can be shut down by amateur operators who will, inevitably, need to use
| a higher power. (insert evil grin here)
|
| Lets all become obsolete old farts and run long winded, high power,
| weiner roasting, AM!!! Let the Calling All Powerlines "CAP" contests
| begin! My henry console is jumping around squeaking and beeping like
| R2D2 just itching to join the fight against the dark side. MK

Perfect! Wiiiiideband AM, maybe 10 KHz wide, for that sweet,
high - fidelity sound.

Of course, we should all get one transmitter for every band...

This idea makes the upcoming Hamfest Minnesota seem even
more promising!

73,

--
Steve Lawrence
KAØPMD
Burnsville, Minnesota

"If a man wants his dreams to come true then he must wake up."
- Anonymous


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I'd be surprised if BPL actually started raking in
some dough for two main reasons:

1) Joe Average isn't going to think that hooking up
his power line into a little "box thingy" (my non-tech
relatives' term) is going to give him "instant internet",
he'll think that it'll probably fry his computer at the
first lightning strike or power outage. (Corollary:
I'm still having a problem convincing my father that
we could run an outside antenna into his house to
improve his television reception safely without it
becoming a target for lightning. My parents' house
isn't the highest house in the area and there are plenty
of trees that are higher, unlike my own abode.)

2) Phone line DSL and Broadband Cable already have
a huge lead in this dept. Locally, the DSL provider
eliminated the speed difference between it and
Zoomtown by bumping people up to 3 Mbps. BPL
would have to go much faster and/or be much cheaper
before people would switch. Unless, of course, Time
Warner continues to suck in terms of service....

--Mike L.


"Sir Cumference" wrote in message
...
JuLiE Dxer wrote:

Let the war begin?!

America versus the evil FCC and money hungry electrical companies!

If, and I say if, BPL ever does get rolling and raking in the big
bucks,
watch for Powell and some of the other higher lawyer officials in
the
FCC leave for high paying jobs do nothing jobs with energy companies
as
their reward for pushing BPL through.

Corporate America can spy on you much, much easier through BPL. As if
data mining spy apps aren't bad enough.


On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:01:36 -0400, "Michael Lawson"
wrote:

I'd be surprised if BPL actually started raking in
some dough for two main reasons:

1) Joe Average isn't going to think that hooking up
his power line into a little "box thingy" (my non-tech
relatives' term) is going to give him "instant internet",
he'll think that it'll probably fry his computer at the
first lightning strike or power outage. (Corollary:
I'm still having a problem convincing my father that
we could run an outside antenna into his house to
improve his television reception safely without it
becoming a target for lightning. My parents' house
isn't the highest house in the area and there are plenty
of trees that are higher, unlike my own abode.)

2) Phone line DSL and Broadband Cable already have
a huge lead in this dept. Locally, the DSL provider
eliminated the speed difference between it and
Zoomtown by bumping people up to 3 Mbps. BPL
would have to go much faster and/or be much cheaper
before people would switch. Unless, of course, Time
Warner continues to suck in terms of service....

--Mike L.


"Sir Cumference" wrote in message
...
JuLiE Dxer wrote:

Let the war begin?!

America versus the evil FCC and money hungry electrical companies!

If, and I say if, BPL ever does get rolling and raking in the big
bucks,
watch for Powell and some of the other higher lawyer officials in
the
FCC leave for high paying jobs do nothing jobs with energy companies
as
their reward for pushing BPL through.