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Was WW2 on Shortwave
I was wondering if durring WW2, did people record audio broadcast on
shortwave and if they, what are these recording called and where could I hear them at? 73 |
SR wrote: I was wondering if durring WW2, did people record audio broadcast on shortwave and if they, what are these recording called and where could I hear them at? 73 You may find an archival SW broadcast from that time, but the only "common man" recorders of that era were wire recorders, and you might look a l-o-o-o-n-g time to find an accesible library of wire recordings. But the "war broadcasts" made on SW were repeated in transcribed form (usually shellac disc) on the AM broadcast networks later in the evening, and there are lots of recordings of those. Countless people clustered around their radio console (they all had SW in those days) to hear Edward R. Murrow during the war. They could hear him over the networks at typical "late evening news" times every night, but they could hear the same broadcast hours earlier in the day via the BBC on shortwave. But it was the same broadcast. Tony |
SR wrote: I was wondering if durring WW2, did people record audio broadcast on shortwave and if they, what are these recording called and where could I hear them at? You might want to check with the Smithsonian, in Washington, DC. dxAce Michigan USA |
= = = Tony Meloche wrote in message
= = = ... SR wrote: I was wondering if durring WW2, did people record audio broadcast on shortwave and if they, what are these recording called and where could I hear them at? 73 You may find an archival SW broadcast from that time, but the only "common man" recorders of that era were wire recorders, and you might look a l-o-o-o-n-g time to find an accesible library of wire recordings. But the "war broadcasts" made on SW were repeated in transcribed form (usually shellac disc) on the AM broadcast networks later in the evening, and there are lots of recordings of those. Countless people clustered around their radio console (they all had SW in those days) to hear Edward R. Murrow during the war. They could hear him over the networks at typical "late evening news" times every night, but they could hear the same broadcast hours earlier in the day via the BBC on shortwave. But it was the same broadcast. Tony You may even find a recording of "The Voice of Doom" from WW2 :o) A Bonanza of Information - Oh those Canadians - Alpo any one ? ~ RHF .. |
"dxAce" wrote in message ... SR wrote: I was wondering if durring WW2, did people record audio broadcast on shortwave and if they, what are these recording called and where could I hear them at? You might want to check with the Smithsonian, in Washington, DC. Didn't the government discourage use of SW radios during WWII? I seem to remember reading where there was some mandate to remove SW reception capabilities from radios during that time? |
Brenda Ann Dyer wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... SR wrote: I was wondering if durring WW2, did people record audio broadcast on shortwave and if they, what are these recording called and where could I hear them at? You might want to check with the Smithsonian, in Washington, DC. Didn't the government discourage use of SW radios during WWII? I seem to remember reading where there was some mandate to remove SW reception capabilities from radios during that time? They shut down amateur radio transmitting at the time, however I do not think that receiving was curtailed. dxAce Michigan USA |
dxAce wrote: Brenda Ann Dyer wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... SR wrote: I was wondering if durring WW2, did people record audio broadcast on shortwave and if they, what are these recording called and where could I hear them at? You might want to check with the Smithsonian, in Washington, DC. Didn't the government discourage use of SW radios during WWII? I seem to remember reading where there was some mandate to remove SW reception capabilities from radios during that time? They shut down amateur radio transmitting at the time, however I do not think that receiving was curtailed. dxAce Michigan USA This would make sense to me, too. There were few if any radios made for the consumer during the war - all industry was given over to "war work" for the "duration". But hundreds of thousands of people already had consoles and even some portables in their homes with SW capabilities, and I know of no restriction - and it would have been unenforcable anyway - that that government made on listening to foreign broadcasts during that time. Tony |
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I was wondering if durring WW2, did people record audio broadcast on shortwave and if they, what are these recording called and where could I hear them at? 73 You might try searching out some OTR (Old Time Radio) sites and checking out the 'news' files. Many have news mp3 files of WWII. Though there are no files directly linked to shortwave, the nightly radio news back then would feature live reports from the different theaters of combat via 'shortwave' -- if the 'atmospherics' were cooperating. Sort of like live via satellite (when live satellite feeds were a big deal for the nightly news). It's kind of fun listening to these live reports and hearing the static and other QRM and QRN one gets used to when listening to shortwave. And sometimes the atmospherics didn't cooperate and all you heard was static and then the anchor, like Robert Trout, would apologize for the static. I believe the news files you need to check out are like...CBS WORLD NEWS TONIGHT. This particular news division featured a lot of live reports via shortwave during their nightly broadcasts. Used effectively by Edward Murrow. It was the way William Shirer would report nightly from Berlin. And as he later said, he wouldn't know whether he was giving a great report, or if all his efforts were simply dissipating into the static. He would get reports back from New York the next day through phone calls whether his live reports had made it through. |
"SR" wrote in message ... I was wondering if durring WW2, did people record audio broadcast on shortwave and if they, what are these recording called and where could I hear them at? 73 The US government was very interested in US citizens, such as Tokyo Rose and Ezra Pound, broadcasting from enemy countries . They recorded those broadcasts, and the recordings were used in the trials. The recordings are probably stored in the National Archives or someplace like that. Practically nobody had recording equipment back then. Consumer wire recorders weren't available until after the war. EH Scott was recording broadcasts from Australia onto disks back in the thirties, and he might have done some of that during the war. I'll bet there weren't any blank disks available to civilians during the war. Frank Dresser |
"Frank Dresser" ) writes: Practically nobody had recording equipment back then. Consumer wire recorders weren't available until after the war. EH Scott was recording broadcasts from Australia onto disks back in the thirties, and he might have done some of that during the war. I'll bet there weren't any blank disks available to civilians during the war. Indeed I seem to recall something about how various recordings were lost during the war because they were recycled due to shortages. Unfortunately, I can't remember where I might have read that, or even if I'm just imagining it. Michael |
I don't know if there were personal recorders, but the University of Washington has recorded archives of news broadcasts from local radio stations. You can also get newsreels from the National Archives (pretty expensive). SR writes: I was wondering if durring WW2, did people record audio broadcast on shortwave and if they, what are these recording called and where could I hear them at? 73 -- Steven D. Swift, , http://www.novatech-instr.com NOVATECH INSTRUMENTS, INC. P.O. Box 55997 206.301.8986, fax 206.363.4367 Seattle, Washington 98155 USA |
How about these more recent Arabian ordeals??
It'd be interesting to hear military communications captured from HF pertaining to actual events. We were able to listen to real time intelligence (so it seemed) during Gulf Storm I, just below 7 MHz. It was a very popular thing with large groups gathering on 10m and talking about all the traffic as it passed on HF. On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 23:56:21 +0100, SR wrote: I was wondering if durring WW2, did people record audio broadcast on shortwave and if they, what are these recording called and where could I hear them at? 73 |
Brenda Ann Dyer wrote:
Didn't the government discourage use of SW radios during WWII? I seem to remember reading where there was some mandate to remove SW reception capabilities from radios during that time? Amateur radio was not allowed during the war. SW transceivers were confiscated from 'suspicious' citizens, particularly those of German and Japanese ancestry. The government used radio direction finding aircraft to locate the source of clandestine SW transmissions. I heard a story from a local veteran about a military plane flying over the area looking for a transmitter. A few days later they found the person who was a German sympathizer. I imagine he spent the rest of the war in a prison camp. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
"RHF" wrote in message om... You may even find a recording of "The Voice of Doom" from WW2 :o) A Bonanza of Information - Oh those Canadians - Alpo any one ? ~ RHF From what I've heard there may only be one air check in existence of Lorne Greene reading the news on CBC Radio during World War II. He was after all "just" an announcer (as well as a radio actor) rather than an actual reporter. What does exist is a lot of material from reporters like Matthew Halton who were at the front with Canadian troops. Most of the material you find of this sort is the actual "raw" recordings that Halton and other reporters made on site using "portable" transcription disk recorders. The process of getting this material on the air (from say the Italian Front) was to send the disks to an airbase where transports were flying, fly them to a shortwave transmitter site in North Africa (Algeria I think) where they'd be transmitted to London. In London the reports would again be put on disk and that would be transmitted by shortwave to the CBC. -- Brent McKee To reply by email, please remove the capital letters (S and N) from the email address "If we cease to judge this world, we may find ourselves, very quickly, in one which is infinitely worse." - Margaret Atwood "Nothing is more dangerous than a dogmatic worldview - nothing more constraining, more blinding to innovation, more destructive of openness to novelty. " - Stephen Jay Gould (1941-2002) |
"Michael Black" wrote in message ... Indeed I seem to recall something about how various recordings were lost during the war because they were recycled due to shortages. Unfortunately, I can't remember where I might have read that, or even if I'm just imagining it. Michael That makes sense. The most common disks were made of aluminum with a acetate recording surface. Aluminum was probably the most important metal in the wartime scrap drives. Frank Dresserr |
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 12:59:40 -0500, Frank Dresser wrote
(in message ): "SR" wrote in message ... I was wondering if durring WW2, did people record audio broadcast on shortwave and if they, what are these recording called and where could I hear them at? 73 The US government was very interested in US citizens, such as Tokyo Rose and Ezra Pound, broadcasting from enemy countries . They recorded those broadcasts, and the recordings were used in the trials. The recordings are probably stored in the National Archives or someplace like that. There were magnetic tape recordings used during World War 2. Can you say, "Magnetophon"? There, I knew you could. And it was off an USA invention, at that. Gray ------ Dux Practically nobody had recording equipment back then. Consumer wire recorders weren't available until after the war. EH Scott was recording broadcasts from Australia onto disks back in the thirties, and he might have done some of that during the war. I'll bet there weren't any blank disks available to civilians during the war. Frank Dresser |
Gray Shockley wrote:
There were magnetic tape recordings used during World War 2. Can you say, "Magnetophon"? There, I knew you could. And it was off an USA invention, at that. I thought it was based on the German developed *wire* recorder. Same idea as tape, just using an easily magnetized wire.. http://www.ieee-virtual-museum.org/c...=2345848&lid=1 mike |
dxAce wrote in message ...
They shut down amateur radio transmitting at the time, however I do not think that receiving was curtailed. dxAce Michigan USA I have two issues of that Jan 42 QST. In the center of it, it had a 4 page yellow paper announcement to that effect. I activated the scanning device here in studio X, and ran off copies of all 4 pages. These are reduced quality to quicken d/l speeds, but should still be quite readable. They are really yellow, but I scanned in b/w to also reduce the file size. This will give an idea of the amateur mindset at that time. BTW, in some countries, I believe even receiving was frowned upon. Mainly because the osc stages in the radios could be used to track the location of the receiver, and theoretically could be used by the enemy for tracking purposes. But I think that was more in Europe, than in the U.S. IE: England was pretty strict, and have been for years. They used to use that osc tracking method to hunt down receivers that hadn't paid the radio tax, or whatever they required...Same for TV's I think. The QST images are in my ISP "briefcase" at : http://briefcase.wt.net/cgi-perl/Lis...26b32620cf18ea They are the four files named WW2-??.jpg....MK |
"Gray Shockley" wrote in message .com... There were magnetic tape recordings used during World War 2. That's true. When I wrote "practically nobody had recording equipment back then", I was refering to individuals. Of course, there was also alot of professional disk recording equipment around in the US. I don't know what they used to record Ezra Pound and Tokyo Rose, but I've read the quality was poor. I assumed it was disks, but tape would have been preferable, because it's easily flagged for reference. Can you say, "Magnetophon"? There, I knew you could. And it was off an USA invention, at that. Gray ------ Dux Here's a reference I stumbled across while I was looking up something else: http://www.tvhandbook.com/History/History_tape.htm And: http://www.tvhandbook.com/History/History_mullin.htm Frank Dresser |
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Frank Dresser wrote: "Gray Shockley" wrote in message s.com... There were magnetic tape recordings used during World War 2. That's true. When I wrote "practically nobody had recording equipment back then", I was refering to individuals. Of course, there was also alot of professional disk recording equipment around in the US. Back when I was in college, the main library there had magazines in the stacks going back to just after WW II, mostly the Gernsback ones (what later became Radio-Electronics). One issue, of probably Radio News, had a feature on a field reporters sound recorder that used phonograph type mechanical cutting on a flexible tape. About the size of a suitcase or portable typewriter. I think the tape was continuous, threaded on a bunch of pulleys. Mark Zenier Washington State resident |
"Mark Zenier" wrote in message ... In article , Frank Dresser wrote: "Gray Shockley" wrote in message s.com... There were magnetic tape recordings used during World War 2. That's true. When I wrote "practically nobody had recording equipment back then", I was refering to individuals. Of course, there was also alot of professional disk recording equipment around in the US. Back when I was in college, the main library there had magazines in the stacks going back to just after WW II, mostly the Gernsback ones (what later became Radio-Electronics). One issue, of probably Radio News, had a feature on a field reporters sound recorder that used phonograph type mechanical cutting on a flexible tape. About the size of a suitcase or portable typewriter. I think the tape was continuous, threaded on a bunch of pulleys. Mark Zenier Washington State resident There was a recording device called a "BLATNERPHONE". You might try a search on google or other engine. k35454 |
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At last! Someone remembered Edward R. Murrow and the group [Shirer,
Trout, Eric Sevareid, Charles Collingwood, Larry LeSueur, Richard C. Hottelet, Winston Burdett and Cecil Brown] known affectionately as "The Murrow Boys" P.B.S. did a 2 hour "American Master" documentary entitled: "Edward R. Murrow: This Reporter [Part I]. May still be available at P.B.S. Some shots of early transmitters and Philco receivers and shortwave audio clips from London [during the "Blitz"] and Berlin and the great journalistic reporting from the concentration camp, Buchenwald. You can hear the QRM, QRN, and the RTTY from an adjoining frequency. You can also search for a 33 RPM vinyl record entitled, "This Is Edward R. Murrow". It was produced by CBS News for the CBS network. It was an original broadcast, aired just a few days after Murrow died on April 27, 1965. Several s.w. broadcasts there also. John wrote: SR wrote in message ... I was wondering if durring WW2, did people record audio broadcast on shortwave and if they, what are these recording called and where could I hear them at? 73 You might try searching out some OTR (Old Time Radio) sites and checking out the 'news' files. Many have news mp3 files of WWII. Though there are no files directly linked to shortwave, the nightly radio news back then would feature live reports from the different theaters of combat via 'shortwave' -- if the 'atmospherics' were cooperating. Sort of like live via satellite (when live satellite feeds were a big deal for the nightly news). It's kind of fun listening to these live reports and hearing the static and other QRM and QRN one gets used to when listening to shortwave. And sometimes the atmospherics didn't cooperate and all you heard was static and then the anchor, like Robert Trout, would apologize for the static. I believe the news files you need to check out are like...CBS WORLD NEWS TONIGHT. This particular news division featured a lot of live reports via shortwave during their nightly broadcasts. Used effectively by Edward Murrow. It was the way William Shirer would report nightly from Berlin. And as he later said, he wouldn't know whether he was giving a great report, or if all his efforts were simply dissipating into the static. He would get reports back from New York the next day through phone calls whether his live reports had made it through. -- MZ |
"A.Pismo Clam" wrote in message ...
At last! Someone remembered Edward R. Murrow and the group [Shirer, Trout, Eric Sevareid, Charles Collingwood, Larry LeSueur, Richard C. Hottelet, Winston Burdett and Cecil Brown] known affectionately as "The Murrow Boys" P.B.S. did a 2 hour "American Master" documentary entitled: "Edward R. Murrow: This Reporter [Part I]. May still be available at P.B.S. Some shots of early transmitters and Philco receivers and shortwave audio clips from London [during the "Blitz"] and Berlin and the great journalistic reporting from the concentration camp, Buchenwald. You can hear the QRM, QRN, and the RTTY from an adjoining frequency. You can also search for a 33 RPM vinyl record entitled, "This Is Edward R. Murrow". It was produced by CBS News for the CBS network. It was an original broadcast, aired just a few days after Murrow died on April 27, 1965. Several s.w. broadcasts there also. Unfortunately I missed that PBS showing, but thanks for the heads-up. I had read numerous books on journalists of that era, especially if it pertained to radio (and therefore shortwave) broadcasts. Two good books come to mind: THE MURROW BOYS and BERLIN DIARY. THE MURROW BOYS is a recent book (well, about 5 years old), and it gives a good bio on each reporter that worked with Murrow; and of course, how they broadcast their reports. And BERLIN DIARY is simply a good book written by William Shirer describing his years reporting from Berlin, which delves into his radio broadcasts some. He became famous because of his Berlin shortwave broadcasts, but then he became a superstar (at that time) due to this book he wrote when he departed Berlin. And there is also a good (surprisingly,) made-for-TV movie called THE NIGHTMARE YEARS based on Shirer's BERLIN DIARY, which is quite informative too. |
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