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postal97321 wrote:
Sunday, October 17, 2004 Last modified Saturday, October 16, 2004 10:40 PM PDT Ryan Gardner/Gazette-Times Chris van Rossman's television sent out a distress signal that was picked up by an orbiting satellite. "All electronic equipment creates a frequency called a tempest," he said. "Sometimes these frequencies emit low-level signals that are close to the 121.5 MHz signal." Mandrell has heard of this sort of thing happening with customized computer gear. Sometimes CAP equipment will pick up these signals, he said, but they are usually weak enough to ignore. What exactly are these search and rescue people listening for? Wouldn't an emergency beacon be sending some kind of intelligent signal, like SOS in morse code, or some kind of RTTY? At the very least, a certain kind of modulated tone. It seems to me that if they're going to chase after every spurious signal that pops up on 121.5, no matter what it sounds like, that's a recipe for failure. No wonder 90% of their hits are false positives. |
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Tony Calguire wrote:
What exactly are these search and rescue people listening for? Wouldn't an emergency beacon be sending some kind of intelligent signal, like SOS in morse code, or some kind of RTTY? At the very least, a certain kind of modulated tone. It seems to me that if they're going to chase after every spurious signal that pops up on 121.5, no matter what it sounds like, that's a recipe for failure. No wonder 90% of their hits are false positives. If you find yourself in a heap of burning airplane parts in some valley one day, I really hope they're still looking for weak signals on that frequency if your ELT gets damaged. You'll hope so, too. -- Most dying mothers say, "I love you, son," or "Take care of your sister." Why were the last words of Kerry's mother a lecture on integrity? |
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On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:57:07 -0500, clifto wrote:
Tony Calguire wrote: What exactly are these search and rescue people listening for? Wouldn't an emergency beacon be sending some kind of intelligent signal, like SOS in morse code, or some kind of RTTY? At the very least, a certain kind of modulated tone. It seems to me that if they're going to chase after every spurious signal that pops up on 121.5, no matter what it sounds like, that's a recipe for failure. No wonder 90% of their hits are false positives. If you find yourself in a heap of burning airplane parts in some valley one day, I really hope they're still looking for weak signals on that frequency if your ELT gets damaged. You'll hope so, too. that's one of the reasons 121.5 Mhz ELT's are going away. They are simply beacons, and any signal on 121.5 can be an ELT,maximum power out is 100mw. The EPIRB and PLB use a digitally encoded 406Mhz signal with a 5 watt output, and contains the beacon ID, and can also carry a GPS determined position as a data payload. In addition all 406Mhz units must be registered, because 121.5 and 243 Mhz units are not encoded, they are not registered. |
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matt weber wrote in message . ..
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:57:07 -0500, clifto wrote: Tony Calguire wrote: What exactly are these search and rescue people listening for? Wouldn't an emergency beacon be sending some kind of intelligent signal, like SOS in morse code, or some kind of RTTY? At the very least, a certain kind of modulated tone. It seems to me that if they're going to chase after every spurious signal that pops up on 121.5, no matter what it sounds like, that's a recipe for failure. No wonder 90% of their hits are false positives. If you find yourself in a heap of burning airplane parts in some valley one day, I really hope they're still looking for weak signals on that frequency if your ELT gets damaged. You'll hope so, too. that's one of the reasons 121.5 Mhz ELT's are going away. They are simply beacons, and any signal on 121.5 can be an ELT,maximum power out is 100mw. The EPIRB and PLB use a digitally encoded 406Mhz signal with a 5 watt output, and contains the beacon ID, and can also carry a GPS determined position as a data payload. In addition all 406Mhz units must be registered, because 121.5 and 243 Mhz units are not encoded, they are not registered. And these REGISTERED units have the contactee's name and home phone number. Within literally minutes, say like the Coast Guard, is calling that person's home phone number to find out what the deal is. Unfortunately, sometimes all they can get is the spouse of the registered owner, and he or she don't have the faintest idea. All they know is their husband or daddy does fly on the company plane once in a while and he's away right now. But in the long run, it DOES save a lot of needless searches for errant transmissions. And a heavy fine to boot if set off fecklessly with no confirmation. 15 to 20 thousand dollars per occurrance, if I remember correctly. If you do set one off, especially an aircraft one, call 1-800-WXBRIEF and that number will rotate your call to your nearest Flight Service Station to cancel the inquieries and explain your situation. The days of CAP members tramping all over the neighborhood all day searching for an accidental trip are hopefully over. |
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And a heavy fine to boot if set off fecklessly with no confirmation.
Now, that's a funny thought -- a distress signal set off fecklessly. |
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"Brian Running" wrote in message . com...
And a heavy fine to boot if set off fecklessly with no confirmation. Now, that's a funny thought -- a distress signal set off fecklessly. Ha ha! Well maybe. I wasn't trying to be pretentious. I was simply typing fast and for the life of me I couldn't think of an appropriate word to use such as, 'carelessly' or better yet, 'irresponsibly'. I find that being at a loss for words happening more often the older I get! |
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Tony Calguire wrote: postal97321 wrote: .... Ryan Gardner/Gazette-Times Chris van Rossman's television sent out a distress signal that was picked up by an orbiting satellite. .... What exactly are these search and rescue people listening for? Wouldn't an emergency beacon be sending some kind of intelligent signal, like SOS in morse code, or some kind of RTTY? At the very least, a certain kind of modulated tone. It seems to me that if they're going to chase after every spurious signal that pops up on 121.5, no matter what it sounds like, that's a recipe for failure. No wonder 90% of their hits are false positives. It's some sort of a warble tone on a carrier. They use a transponder on polar orbiting satellites (weather and earth sensing ones, usually) that allows the ground stations to do a doppler measurement. Sort of the reverse of the Transit satellite navigation system, where the timing and frequency shift of the signal allowed the ground station to determine its position to a fraction of the meter. The Transit system used atomic clocks, so the SARSAT accuracy would be lower. But accurate enough to get the search and rescue close enough to use portable direction finding gear. Mark Zenier Washington State resident |
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says... What exactly are these search and rescue people listening for? Wouldn't an emergency beacon be sending some kind of intelligent signal, like SOS in morse code, or some kind of RTTY? At the very least, a certain kind of modulated tone. It seems to me that if they're going to chase after every spurious signal that pops up on 121.5, no matter what it sounds like, that's a recipe for failure. No wonder 90% of their hits are false positives. Any signal, even a spurious one that conveys no intelligence, is considered a problem because it could potentially cover up a weaker signal from a person/aircraft/boat/etc. that is actually IN distress. And for the record, if anyone cares, the manufacturer of the TV set (Toshiba?) is replacing it with a new one free of charge, despite the warranty having expired. -- -- //Steve// Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS Fountain Valley, CA Email: |
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