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LDE Long deleayed echoe ???
Quick question here...
I've read about LDE a number of times and have even heard Art Bell talk about it on Coast To Coast. I've been thinking that it might be a product of the electronic equipment itself, rather then any kind of outlandish atmospheric/propagation condition. My question... Has LDE ever been noticed or logged prior to the days of solid state and computer chip rigs ??? I'd love to know the first known observations of this phenomenon. Any help on this question would be enormously appreciated. -- Respectfully, Michael Location: New Jersey Primary Receiver: R-75 with full Kiwa mods Antennas: G5RV, 200ft "Frankenstein" roof wire Additional Radios: 7600GR,KA-1101,KA-1102 PL-550, KA-989, Info-Mate 837, GE-SR III Westinghouse H-104 (seven tube) Web Site: http://md_dxing.tripod.com |
Michael wrote: Quick question here... I've read about LDE a number of times and have even heard Art Bell talk about it on Coast To Coast. I've been thinking that it might be a product of the electronic equipment itself, rather then any kind of outlandish atmospheric/propagation condition. My question... Has LDE ever been noticed or logged prior to the days of solid state and computer chip rigs ??? I'd love to know the first known observations of this phenomenon. Any help on this question would be enormously appreciated. I can remember operating CW in 1970 or 1971 in the 40 meter band and being able to un-key and hear my own signal, or part of it. dxAce Michigan USA |
"dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: Quick question here... I've read about LDE a number of times and have even heard Art Bell talk about it on Coast To Coast. I've been thinking that it might be a product of the electronic equipment itself, rather then any kind of outlandish atmospheric/propagation condition. My question... Has LDE ever been noticed or logged prior to the days of solid state and computer chip rigs ??? I'd love to know the first known observations of this phenomenon. Any help on this question would be enormously appreciated. I can remember operating CW in 1970 or 1971 in the 40 meter band and being able to un-key and hear my own signal, or part of it. No kiddin' ??? What the heck could it be, atmospherically speaking ??? Really... That is some screwy stuff... Nothing adds up. Michael dxAce Michigan USA |
There are a couple of guys on 3840 kHz that experience LDE often. I, myself, was experiencing a mild echo where I'd catch the last second or so of my last transmission on one night on 75m. Other signals on the band were frequented with echoes too. It was pretty bizarre. On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 00:16:25 GMT, "Michael" wrote: Quick question here... I've read about LDE a number of times and have even heard Art Bell talk about it on Coast To Coast. I've been thinking that it might be a product of the electronic equipment itself, rather then any kind of outlandish atmospheric/propagation condition. My question... Has LDE ever been noticed or logged prior to the days of solid state and computer chip rigs ??? I'd love to know the first known observations of this phenomenon. Any help on this question would be enormously appreciated. |
Michael wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: Quick question here... I've read about LDE a number of times and have even heard Art Bell talk about it on Coast To Coast. I've been thinking that it might be a product of the electronic equipment itself, rather then any kind of outlandish atmospheric/propagation condition. My question... Has LDE ever been noticed or logged prior to the days of solid state and computer chip rigs ??? I'd love to know the first known observations of this phenomenon. Any help on this question would be enormously appreciated. I can remember operating CW in 1970 or 1971 in the 40 meter band and being able to un-key and hear my own signal, or part of it. No kiddin' ??? What the heck could it be, atmospherically speaking ??? Really... That is some screwy stuff... Nothing adds up. It adds up very well. Simply conditions that would allow the signal to propagate all the way around the earth. It's been reported and noted in the past. dxAce Michigan USA |
Michael wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: Quick question here... I've read about LDE a number of times and have even heard Art Bell talk about it on Coast To Coast. I've been thinking that it might be a product of the electronic equipment itself, rather then any kind of outlandish atmospheric/propagation condition. My question... Has LDE ever been noticed or logged prior to the days of solid state and computer chip rigs ??? I'd love to know the first known observations of this phenomenon. Any help on this question would be enormously appreciated. I can remember operating CW in 1970 or 1971 in the 40 meter band and being able to un-key and hear my own signal, or part of it. No kiddin' ??? What the heck could it be, atmospherically speaking ??? Really... That is some screwy stuff... Nothing adds up. Not so. The Ace thinks 'CW' means 'non compos mentis'. Some things he did in the seventies STILL reverberate in his brain. A lot of the phenomena are auditory hallucinations. The use of mercury in cartridge primers was quite common in the stone age and NOW we have to deal with these unfortunate victims of heavy metal poisoning. mike |
Michael wrote:
My question... Has LDE ever been noticed or logged prior to the days of solid state and computer chip rigs ??? I'd love to know the first known observations of this phenomenon. A long-time member of the West Allis RAC told me - in the late 1970s - of a LDE he'd heard some 20 years earlier. -- Doug Smith W9WI Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66 http://www.w9wi.com |
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http://www.vhfdx.net/lde.html AND http://www.ham-shack.com/history31.html AND http://www.ac6v.com/LDE.htm -- The Anon Keyboard I doubt, therefore I might be "Michael" wrote in message . net... Quick question here... I've read about LDE a number of times and have even heard Art Bell talk about it on Coast To Coast. I've been thinking that it might be a product of the electronic equipment itself, rather then any kind of outlandish atmospheric/propagation condition. My question... Has LDE ever been noticed or logged prior to the days of solid state and computer chip rigs ??? I'd love to know the first known observations of this phenomenon. Any help on this question would be enormously appreciated. -- Respectfully, Michael Location: New Jersey Primary Receiver: R-75 with full Kiwa mods Antennas: G5RV, 200ft "Frankenstein" roof wire Additional Radios: 7600GR,KA-1101,KA-1102 PL-550, KA-989, Info-Mate 837, GE-SR III Westinghouse H-104 (seven tube) Web Site: http://md_dxing.tripod.com |
Yes LDE's were previously called the "Luxembourg effect" and were first
noted in the 1930s!!! Rgds Richard, SO5GB "Michael" wrote in message . net... Quick question here... I've read about LDE a number of times and have even heard Art Bell talk about it on Coast To Coast. I've been thinking that it might be a product of the electronic equipment itself, rather then any kind of outlandish atmospheric/propagation condition. My question... Has LDE ever been noticed or logged prior to the days of solid state and computer chip rigs ??? I'd love to know the first known observations of this phenomenon. Any help on this question would be enormously appreciated. -- Respectfully, Michael Location: New Jersey Primary Receiver: R-75 with full Kiwa mods Antennas: G5RV, 200ft "Frankenstein" roof wire Additional Radios: 7600GR,KA-1101,KA-1102 PL-550, KA-989, Info-Mate 837, GE-SR III Westinghouse H-104 (seven tube) Web Site: http://md_dxing.tripod.com |
Richard wrote: Yes LDE's were previously called the "Luxembourg effect" and were first noted in the 1930s!!! The 'Luxembourg effect' has nothing whatsoever to do with LDE's. dxAce Michigan USA Rgds Richard, SO5GB "Michael" wrote in message . net... Quick question here... I've read about LDE a number of times and have even heard Art Bell talk about it on Coast To Coast. I've been thinking that it might be a product of the electronic equipment itself, rather then any kind of outlandish atmospheric/propagation condition. My question... Has LDE ever been noticed or logged prior to the days of solid state and computer chip rigs ??? I'd love to know the first known observations of this phenomenon. Any help on this question would be enormously appreciated. -- Respectfully, Michael Location: New Jersey Primary Receiver: R-75 with full Kiwa mods Antennas: G5RV, 200ft "Frankenstein" roof wire Additional Radios: 7600GR,KA-1101,KA-1102 PL-550, KA-989, Info-Mate 837, GE-SR III Westinghouse H-104 (seven tube) Web Site: http://md_dxing.tripod.com |
From URL: http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/haarpFactSheet.html Since the sun's radiation creates and maintains the ionosphere, sudden variations in this radiation such as those caused by solar flares can affect the performance of radio systems. Sometimes these natural changes are sufficient to induce large transient currents in electric power transmission grids, causing widespread power outages. Lightning is known to cause substantial heating and ionization density enhancement in the lower ionosphere, and there are indications that ground-based HF transmitters, including radars and strong radio stations, also modify the ionosphere and influence the performance of systems whose radio paths traverse the modified region. Perhaps the most famous example of the latter is the "Luxembourg" effect, first observed in 1933. In this case a weak Swiss radio station appeared to be modulated with signals from the powerful Luxembourg station, which was transmitting at a completely different frequency. Music from the Luxembourg station was picked up at the frequency of the Swiss station. -- The Anon Keyboard I doubt, therefore I might be "dxAce" wrote in message ... Richard wrote: Yes LDE's were previously called the "Luxembourg effect" and were first noted in the 1930s!!! The 'Luxembourg effect' has nothing whatsoever to do with LDE's. dxAce Michigan USA Rgds Richard, SO5GB "Michael" wrote in message . net... Quick question here... I've read about LDE a number of times and have even heard Art Bell talk about it on Coast To Coast. I've been thinking that it might be a product of the electronic equipment itself, rather then any kind of outlandish atmospheric/propagation condition. My question... Has LDE ever been noticed or logged prior to the days of solid state and computer chip rigs ??? I'd love to know the first known observations of this phenomenon. Any help on this question would be enormously appreciated. -- Respectfully, Michael Location: New Jersey Primary Receiver: R-75 with full Kiwa mods Antennas: G5RV, 200ft "Frankenstein" roof wire Additional Radios: 7600GR,KA-1101,KA-1102 PL-550, KA-989, Info-Mate 837, GE-SR III Westinghouse H-104 (seven tube) Web Site: http://md_dxing.tripod.com |
Keyboard In The Wilderness wrote: From URL: http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/haarpFactSheet.html Since the sun's radiation creates and maintains the ionosphere, sudden variations in this radiation such as those caused by solar flares can affect the performance of radio systems. Sometimes these natural changes are sufficient to induce large transient currents in electric power transmission grids, causing widespread power outages. Lightning is known to cause substantial heating and ionization density enhancement in the lower ionosphere, and there are indications that ground-based HF transmitters, including radars and strong radio stations, also modify the ionosphere and influence the performance of systems whose radio paths traverse the modified region. Perhaps the most famous example of the latter is the "Luxembourg" effect, first observed in 1933. In this case a weak Swiss radio station appeared to be modulated with signals from the powerful Luxembourg station, which was transmitting at a completely different frequency. Music from the Luxembourg station was picked up at the frequency of the Swiss station. Yes, but still nothing to do with LDE's. The Luxembourg Effect is something totally different. dxAce Michigan USA -- The Anon Keyboard I doubt, therefore I might be "dxAce" wrote in message ... Richard wrote: Yes LDE's were previously called the "Luxembourg effect" and were first noted in the 1930s!!! The 'Luxembourg effect' has nothing whatsoever to do with LDE's. dxAce Michigan USA Rgds Richard, SO5GB "Michael" wrote in message . net... Quick question here... I've read about LDE a number of times and have even heard Art Bell talk about it on Coast To Coast. I've been thinking that it might be a product of the electronic equipment itself, rather then any kind of outlandish atmospheric/propagation condition. My question... Has LDE ever been noticed or logged prior to the days of solid state and computer chip rigs ??? I'd love to know the first known observations of this phenomenon. Any help on this question would be enormously appreciated. -- Respectfully, Michael Location: New Jersey Primary Receiver: R-75 with full Kiwa mods Antennas: G5RV, 200ft "Frankenstein" roof wire Additional Radios: 7600GR,KA-1101,KA-1102 PL-550, KA-989, Info-Mate 837, GE-SR III Westinghouse H-104 (seven tube) Web Site: http://md_dxing.tripod.com |
"Michael" wrote in message . net... Quick question here... I've read about LDE a number of times and have even heard Art Bell talk about it on Coast To Coast. I've been thinking that it might be a product of the electronic equipment itself, rather then any kind of outlandish atmospheric/propagation condition. My question... Has LDE ever been noticed or logged prior to the days of solid state and computer chip rigs ??? I'd love to know the first known observations of this phenomenon. I've read that LDEs were first observed during the ionospheric reasearch of the 1920s. Any help on this question would be enormously appreciated. Very long delayed echos, on the order of a few minutes, have also been claimed. One theory has it that there's an alien repeater in lunar synchronous orbit. Frank Dresser |
Agreed -- just clarifying what the "Luxembourg
effect" is -- The Anon Keyboard I doubt, therefore I might be "dxAce" wrote in message ... Keyboard In The Wilderness wrote: From URL: http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/haarpFactSheet.html Since the sun's radiation creates and maintains the ionosphere, sudden variations in this radiation such as those caused by solar flares can affect the performance of radio systems. Sometimes these natural changes are sufficient to induce large transient currents in electric power transmission grids, causing widespread power outages. Lightning is known to cause substantial heating and ionization density enhancement in the lower ionosphere, and there are indications that ground-based HF transmitters, including radars and strong radio stations, also modify the ionosphere and influence the performance of systems whose radio paths traverse the modified region. Perhaps the most famous example of the latter is the "Luxembourg" effect, first observed in 1933. In this case a weak Swiss radio station appeared to be modulated with signals from the powerful Luxembourg station, which was transmitting at a completely different frequency. Music from the Luxembourg station was picked up at the frequency of the Swiss station. Yes, but still nothing to do with LDE's. The Luxembourg Effect is something totally different. dxAce Michigan USA -- The Anon Keyboard I doubt, therefore I might be "dxAce" wrote in message ... Richard wrote: Yes LDE's were previously called the "Luxembourg effect" and were first noted in the 1930s!!! The 'Luxembourg effect' has nothing whatsoever to do with LDE's. dxAce Michigan USA Rgds Richard, SO5GB "Michael" wrote in message . net... Quick question here... I've read about LDE a number of times and have even heard Art Bell talk about it on Coast To Coast. I've been thinking that it might be a product of the electronic equipment itself, rather then any kind of outlandish atmospheric/propagation condition. My question... Has LDE ever been noticed or logged prior to the days of solid state and computer chip rigs ??? I'd love to know the first known observations of this phenomenon. Any help on this question would be enormously appreciated. -- Respectfully, Michael Location: New Jersey Primary Receiver: R-75 with full Kiwa mods Antennas: G5RV, 200ft "Frankenstein" roof wire Additional Radios: 7600GR,KA-1101,KA-1102 PL-550, KA-989, Info-Mate 837, GE-SR III Westinghouse H-104 (seven tube) Web Site: http://md_dxing.tripod.com |
Keyboard In The Wilderness wrote: Agreed -- just clarifying what the "Luxembourg effect" is Understood. dxAce Michigan USA -- The Anon Keyboard I doubt, therefore I might be "dxAce" wrote in message ... Keyboard In The Wilderness wrote: From URL: http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/haarpFactSheet.html Since the sun's radiation creates and maintains the ionosphere, sudden variations in this radiation such as those caused by solar flares can affect the performance of radio systems. Sometimes these natural changes are sufficient to induce large transient currents in electric power transmission grids, causing widespread power outages. Lightning is known to cause substantial heating and ionization density enhancement in the lower ionosphere, and there are indications that ground-based HF transmitters, including radars and strong radio stations, also modify the ionosphere and influence the performance of systems whose radio paths traverse the modified region. Perhaps the most famous example of the latter is the "Luxembourg" effect, first observed in 1933. In this case a weak Swiss radio station appeared to be modulated with signals from the powerful Luxembourg station, which was transmitting at a completely different frequency. Music from the Luxembourg station was picked up at the frequency of the Swiss station. Yes, but still nothing to do with LDE's. The Luxembourg Effect is something totally different. dxAce Michigan USA -- The Anon Keyboard I doubt, therefore I might be "dxAce" wrote in message ... Richard wrote: Yes LDE's were previously called the "Luxembourg effect" and were first noted in the 1930s!!! The 'Luxembourg effect' has nothing whatsoever to do with LDE's. dxAce Michigan USA Rgds Richard, SO5GB "Michael" wrote in message . net... Quick question here... I've read about LDE a number of times and have even heard Art Bell talk about it on Coast To Coast. I've been thinking that it might be a product of the electronic equipment itself, rather then any kind of outlandish atmospheric/propagation condition. My question... Has LDE ever been noticed or logged prior to the days of solid state and computer chip rigs ??? I'd love to know the first known observations of this phenomenon. Any help on this question would be enormously appreciated. -- Respectfully, Michael Location: New Jersey Primary Receiver: R-75 with full Kiwa mods Antennas: G5RV, 200ft "Frankenstein" roof wire Additional Radios: 7600GR,KA-1101,KA-1102 PL-550, KA-989, Info-Mate 837, GE-SR III Westinghouse H-104 (seven tube) Web Site: http://md_dxing.tripod.com |
In message , dxAce
writes Keyboard In The Wilderness wrote: Agreed -- just clarifying what the "Luxembourg effect" is Understood. I heard my own signals returned as a LDE sometime in the50's shortly after I was licenced. I was on 20m late at night and sent out a standard 3x3 CQ. When I went to receive I heard the last part of my CQ coming back with a very ghostly tone "....CQ de GW3IJE GW3IJE GW3IJE AR K". Just like aurora which I didn't hear until many years later. Mike -- M.J.Powell |
You can find more reading on LDE's at URL:
http://ac6v.com/propagation.htm#LDE -- The Anon Keyboard I doubt, therefore I might be "M. J. Powell" wrote in message ... I heard my own signals returned as a LDE sometime in the50's shortly after I was licenced. I was on 20m late at night and sent out a standard 3x3 CQ. When I went to receive I heard the last part of my CQ coming back with a very ghostly tone "....CQ de GW3IJE GW3IJE GW3IJE AR K". Just like aurora which I didn't hear until many years later. Mike -- M.J.Powell |
I rememmber Art Bell a few weeks ago had recordings of the LDE and the
HAM radio signals which he played on the air.. even mixing in with the bumper music :P "M. J. Powell" wrote in message ... In message , dxAce writes Keyboard In The Wilderness wrote: Agreed -- just clarifying what the "Luxembourg effect" is Understood. I heard my own signals returned as a LDE sometime in the50's shortly after I was licenced. I was on 20m late at night and sent out a standard 3x3 CQ. When I went to receive I heard the last part of my CQ coming back with a very ghostly tone "....CQ de GW3IJE GW3IJE GW3IJE AR K". Just like aurora which I didn't hear until many years later. Mike |
Art did? Did you catch any callsigns ? It may have been my recording. He asked me to forward them to him about a month ago or more. On 24 Oct 2004 12:01:45 -0700, (RedOctober90) wrote: I rememmber Art Bell a few weeks ago had recordings of the LDE and the HAM radio signals which he played on the air.. even mixing in with the bumper music :P "M. J. Powell" wrote in message ... In message , dxAce writes Keyboard In The Wilderness wrote: Agreed -- just clarifying what the "Luxembourg effect" is Understood. I heard my own signals returned as a LDE sometime in the50's shortly after I was licenced. I was on 20m late at night and sent out a standard 3x3 CQ. When I went to receive I heard the last part of my CQ coming back with a very ghostly tone "....CQ de GW3IJE GW3IJE GW3IJE AR K". Just like aurora which I didn't hear until many years later. Mike |
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