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Jennie November 6th 04 09:42 PM

Passed
 
the technician's test today....Not sure of what type of handheld to buy?
Appreciate any help in selecting my first piece of equipment...

I want a handheld with an antenna, and be able to put up an antenna on the
roof of my car and in my attic...

Under 300 if possible.


What is the best Code training stuff out there?

Thanks



Stephen M.H. Lawrence November 6th 04 10:33 PM


"Jennie" wrote in message
...
| the technician's test today....Not sure of what type of handheld to buy?
| Appreciate any help in selecting my first piece of equipment...
|
| I want a handheld with an antenna, and be able to put up an antenna on
the
| roof of my car and in my attic...
|
| Under 300 if possible.
|
|
| What is the best Code training stuff out there?
|
| Thanks


G4FON for the code - free for download. Google it and
you'll find it.

I *highly* recommend the Icom IC-T2H 2 meter handheld.
I love mine! Unless you live in a big metro area (If you do,
you will want 2 meters and 70 cm on your HT). I got my
HT for 90 bucks, and get consistent *excellent* audio and
signal reports, because it puts out a full 5 watts. Get some
NiMH batteries at Sam's Club (the 2000+ maH rated ones),
and a charger, and you'll have a LONG lasting battery setup
to go with it, all still on the cheap.

73,

Steve Lawrence
KAØPMD
Burnsville, Minnesota

"If a man wants his dreams to come true then he must wake up."
- Anonymous


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Stephen M.H. Lawrence November 6th 04 10:59 PM


"Jennie" wrote in message
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| I think I like a dual band. I live around Atlanta, ga. 2 and 70..

Yes, that's definitely what I'd go for. Universal Radio, AES, and
Ham Radio Outlet (HRO) are good starting places for the purpose
of comparing.

73,

Steve Lawrence
KAØPMD
Burnsville, Minnesota

"If a man wants his dreams to come true then he must wake up."
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Keyboard In The Wilderness November 6th 04 11:06 PM

Congrads on passing the test Jennie

Be sure you want an HT instead of a mobile.
A mobile can be easily removed from the car and used as base station (with
an external power supply)

For $300 you can buy both an HT and a mobile and a power supply -- example
HT - ICOM IC-T2H and an ICOM 2100H Mobile

Suggest you go to a local Radio Store in your area -- look at and try out
the various HT's and mobiles and discuss them with the sales people.

Lots of HT Reviews are at URL:
http://www.eham.net/reviews/products/49

Lots of mobile reviews at URL:
http://www.eham.net/reviews/products/38


The best code practice program is the one that works for you.
Beware of advice that sez -- "this is the best one" as it might have been
for the person who recommended same but just doesn't click with you.

For Morse trainer freebees and demos see URL:
http://ac6v.com/morseprograms.htm

For how to learn the code (varies with the individual) see URL:
http://ac6v.com/morseaids.htm#Learn

Two things that almost all will recommend is:
"Study EVERY day for 20 minutes to a half hour"

AND

"Whatever method you use, try to *hear* the code directly as a letter. IOW,
don't try to translate the sound into dot-dash and translate that into A,
just hear the dot-dash and think A. Easier said than done, but when you
master it your receiving speed will increase dramatically."

The AVERAGE person needs about 30 hours of study and practice on the code to
hit 5 wpm.

Good Luck
--
The Anon Keyboard
I doubt, therefore I might be



"Jennie" wrote in message
...
the technician's test today....Not sure of what type of handheld to buy?
Appreciate any help in selecting my first piece of equipment...

I want a handheld with an antenna, and be able to put up an antenna on
the roof of my car and in my attic...

Under 300 if possible.


What is the best Code training stuff out there?

Thanks




Jennie November 7th 04 12:30 AM

I noticed that some are 2 Meter/440 MHz

Are those two ranges for technician too?

"Keyboard In The Wilderness" wrote in message
news:HNcjd.119245$hj.60542@fed1read07...
Congrads on passing the test Jennie

Be sure you want an HT instead of a mobile.
A mobile can be easily removed from the car and used as base station (with
an external power supply)

For $300 you can buy both an HT and a mobile and a power supply --
example HT - ICOM IC-T2H and an ICOM 2100H Mobile

Suggest you go to a local Radio Store in your area -- look at and try out
the various HT's and mobiles and discuss them with the sales people.

Lots of HT Reviews are at URL:
http://www.eham.net/reviews/products/49

Lots of mobile reviews at URL:
http://www.eham.net/reviews/products/38


The best code practice program is the one that works for you.
Beware of advice that sez -- "this is the best one" as it might have been
for the person who recommended same but just doesn't click with you.

For Morse trainer freebees and demos see URL:
http://ac6v.com/morseprograms.htm

For how to learn the code (varies with the individual) see URL:
http://ac6v.com/morseaids.htm#Learn

Two things that almost all will recommend is:
"Study EVERY day for 20 minutes to a half hour"

AND

"Whatever method you use, try to *hear* the code directly as a letter.
IOW, don't try to translate the sound into dot-dash and translate that
into A, just hear the dot-dash and think A. Easier said than done, but
when you master it your receiving speed will increase dramatically."

The AVERAGE person needs about 30 hours of study and practice on the code
to hit 5 wpm.

Good Luck
--
The Anon Keyboard
I doubt, therefore I might be



"Jennie" wrote in message
...
the technician's test today....Not sure of what type of handheld to buy?
Appreciate any help in selecting my first piece of equipment...

I want a handheld with an antenna, and be able to put up an antenna on
the roof of my car and in my attic...

Under 300 if possible.


What is the best Code training stuff out there?

Thanks






Howard November 7th 04 01:01 AM

On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:52:13 -0500, "Jennie" wrote:

I think I like a dual band. I live around Atlanta, ga. 2 and 70..


remainder of post snipped for brevity's sake


Jennie,
First off, congratulations!

You might want to see if there are many 220 MHz repeaters in your area
- if so I recommend the Kenwood TH-F6 as it has 2 meters, 220 and 440.
Not as 'bullet proof' regarding intermod as some dual band radio's
I've had but that is also due to it's wideband receive (100 KHz to 1.3
GHz).

As to dual-band radios I've had decent luck with a Yaesu FT-50, it has
been dropped on hard surfaces (not intentially) bounced around in a
backpack and even rained on and it still works. I've not used Icom
HT's but have an R2 scanner and R75 receiver and am pleased with their
performance as well. Each of the "Big 3" (Icom, Kenwood, Yaesu) have
their own scheme for operating controls - as well as champions &
detractors. If you can shop locally then do so as it will give you a
chance to play around with the various manufacturer's models and allow
you to decide which one 'feels best' in your hand - and don't forget
to ask to see the manual to figure out which one's operating scheme
and instructions are easiest to deal with.

My advice follow's Steve's regarding batteries - don't spend money on
an extra NiMH battery, check which ones take an "AA" pack and also
check the instructions for how much power is available on that pack.
For instance, the Yaesu FT-50 puts out 2 - 21/2 watts on teh "AA" pack
whereas the Kenwood TH-F6 only puts out 1/2 watt.

Again, congratulations & enjoy the hobby,
Howard



Keyboard In The Wilderness November 7th 04 01:35 AM

Jennie -- from the ARRL site URL:
http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/reg.../allocate.html

Techs have all of the following privileges:

6 Meters

All Amateurs except Novices:
50.0-50.1 MHz: CW Only
50.1-54.0 MHz: CW, Phone, Image, MCW, RTTY/Data

2 Meters

All Amateurs except Novices:
144.0-144.1 MHz: CW Only
144.1-148.0 MHz: CW, Phone, Image, MCW, RTTY/Data

1.25 Meters
The FCC has allocated 219-220 MHz to amateur use on a secondary basis. This
allocation is only for fixed digital message forwarding systems operated by
all licensees except Novices. Amateur operations must not cause interference
to, and must accept interference from, primary services in this and adjacent
bands. Amateur stations are limited to 50 W PEP output and 100 kHz
bandwidth. Automated Maritime Telecommunications Systems (AMTS) stations are
the primary occupants in this band. Amateur stations within 398 miles of an
AMTS station must notify the station in writing at least 30 days prior to
beginning operations. Amateur stations within 50 miles of an AMTS station
must get permission in writing from the AMTS station before beginning
operations. ARRL Headquarters maintains a database of AMTS stations. The FCC
requires that amateur operators provide written notification including the
station's geographic location to the ARRL for inclusion in a database at
least 30 days before beginning operations. See Section 97.303(e) of the FCC
Rules.

Novice (Novices are limited to 25 watts PEP output), Technician,
Technician Plus, General, Advanced, Amateur Extra classes:
222.00-225.00 MHz: CW, Phone, Image, MCW, RTTY/Data
70 Centimeters

All Amateurs except Novices:
420.0-450.0 MHz: CW, Phone, Image, MCW, RTTY/Data
33 Centimeters

All Amateurs except Novices:
902.0-928.0 MHz: CW, Phone, Image, MCW, RTTY/Data
23 Centimeters

Novice class:
1270-1295 MHz: CW, phone, Image, MCW, RTTY/Data (maximum power, 5 watts
PEP)

All Amateurs except Novices:
1240-1300 MHz: CW, Phone, Image, MCW, RTTY/Data
Higher Frequencies:

All modes and licensees (except Novices) are authorized on the following
bands [FCC Rules, Part 97.301(a)]:


2300-2310 MHz
2390-2450 MHz
3300-3500 MHz
5650-5925 MHz
10.0-10.5 GHz
24.0-24.25 GHz
47.0-47.2 GHz
75.5-81.0 GHz*
119.98-120.02 GHz
142-149 GHz
241-250 GHz
All above 300 GHz
2M that is 144 to 148 MHz is the mostly commonly used followed by 440 MHz
band (70cm)
In a nutshell -- all authorized frequencies from 50 MHz (6M) and up

--
The Anon Keyboard
I doubt, therefore I might be



"Jennie" wrote in message
...
I noticed that some are 2 Meter/440 MHz

Are those two ranges for technician too?

"Keyboard In The Wilderness" wrote in message
news:HNcjd.119245$hj.60542@fed1read07...
Congrads on passing the test Jennie

Be sure you want an HT instead of a mobile.
A mobile can be easily removed from the car and used as base station
(with an external power supply)

For $300 you can buy both an HT and a mobile and a power supply --
example HT - ICOM IC-T2H and an ICOM 2100H Mobile

Suggest you go to a local Radio Store in your area -- look at and try out
the various HT's and mobiles and discuss them with the sales people.

Lots of HT Reviews are at URL:
http://www.eham.net/reviews/products/49

Lots of mobile reviews at URL:
http://www.eham.net/reviews/products/38


The best code practice program is the one that works for you.
Beware of advice that sez -- "this is the best one" as it might have been
for the person who recommended same but just doesn't click with you.

For Morse trainer freebees and demos see URL:
http://ac6v.com/morseprograms.htm

For how to learn the code (varies with the individual) see URL:
http://ac6v.com/morseaids.htm#Learn

Two things that almost all will recommend is:
"Study EVERY day for 20 minutes to a half hour"

AND

"Whatever method you use, try to *hear* the code directly as a letter.
IOW, don't try to translate the sound into dot-dash and translate that
into A, just hear the dot-dash and think A. Easier said than done, but
when you master it your receiving speed will increase dramatically."

The AVERAGE person needs about 30 hours of study and practice on the code
to hit 5 wpm.

Good Luck
--
The Anon Keyboard
I doubt, therefore I might be



"Jennie" wrote in message
...
the technician's test today....Not sure of what type of handheld to buy?
Appreciate any help in selecting my first piece of equipment...

I want a handheld with an antenna, and be able to put up an antenna on
the roof of my car and in my attic...

Under 300 if possible.


What is the best Code training stuff out there?

Thanks








Radio Flyer November 7th 04 01:41 AM

That bandplan is outdated. There is no longer a novice class, all novices
were upgraded to technicians. Techs have all priveledges above 50 MHz.



"Keyboard In The Wilderness" wrote in message
news:wZejd.119274$hj.87993@fed1read07...
Jennie -- from the ARRL site URL:
http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/reg.../allocate.html

Techs have all of the following privileges:

6 Meters

All Amateurs except Novices:
50.0-50.1 MHz: CW Only
50.1-54.0 MHz: CW, Phone, Image, MCW, RTTY/Data

2 Meters

All Amateurs except Novices:
144.0-144.1 MHz: CW Only
144.1-148.0 MHz: CW, Phone, Image, MCW, RTTY/Data

1.25 Meters
The FCC has allocated 219-220 MHz to amateur use on a secondary basis.
This allocation is only for fixed digital message forwarding systems
operated by all licensees except Novices. Amateur operations must not
cause interference to, and must accept interference from, primary services
in this and adjacent bands. Amateur stations are limited to 50 W PEP
output and 100 kHz bandwidth. Automated Maritime Telecommunications
Systems (AMTS) stations are the primary occupants in this band. Amateur
stations within 398 miles of an AMTS station must notify the station in
writing at least 30 days prior to beginning operations
.Amateurstationswithin50milesofanAMTSstation
must get permission in writing from the AMTS station before beginning
operations.
ARRLHeadquartersmaintainsadatabaseofAMTSstations.T heFCC
requires that amateur operators provide written notification including the
station's geographic location to the ARRL for inclusion in a database at
least 30 days before beginning operati
ons.SeeSection97.303oftheFCC
Rules.

Novice (Novices are limited to 25 watts PEP output), Technician,
Technician Plus, General, Advanced, Amateur Extra classes:
222.00-225.00 MHz: CW, Phone, Image, MCW, RTTY/Data
70 Centimeters

All Amateurs except Novices:
420.0-450.0 MHz: CW, Phone, Image, MCW, RTTY/Data
33 Centimeters

All Amateurs except Novices:
902.0-928.0 MHz: CW, Phone, Image, MCW, RTTY/Data
23 Centimeters

Novice class:
1270-1295 MHz: CW, phone, Image, MCW, RTTY/Data (maximum power, 5 watts
PEP)

All Amateurs except Novices:
1240-1300 MHz: CW, Phone, Image, MCW, RTTY/Data
Higher Frequencies:

All modes and licensees (except Novices) are authorized on the following
bands [FCC Rules, Part 97.301(a)]:


2300-2310 MHz
2390-2450 MHz
3300-3500 MHz
5650-5925 MHz
10.0-10.5 GHz
24.0-24.25 GHz
47.0-47.2 GHz
75.5-81.0 GHz*
119.98-120.02 GHz
142-149 GHz
241-250 GHz
All above 300 GHz
2M that is 144 to 148 MHz is the mostly commonly used followed by 440 MHz
band (70cm)
In a nutshell -- all authorized frequencies from 50 MHz (6M) and up

--
The Anon Keyboard
I doubt, therefore I might be



"Jennie" wrote in message
...
I noticed that some are 2 Meter/440 MHz

Are those two ranges for technician too?

"Keyboard In The Wilderness" wrote in message
news:HNcjd.119245$hj.60542@fed1read07...
Congrads on passing the test Jennie

Be sure you want an HT instead of a mobile.
A mobile can be easily removed from the car and used as base station
(with an external power supply)

For $300 you can buy both an HT and a mobile and a power supply --
example HT - ICOM IC-T2H and an ICOM 2100H Mobile

Suggest you go to a local Radio Store in your area -- look at and try
out the various HT's and mobiles and discuss them with the sales people.

Lots of HT Reviews are at URL:
http://www.eham.net/reviews/products/49

Lots of mobile reviews at URL:
http://www.eham.net/reviews/products/38


The best code practice program is the one that works for you.
Beware of advice that sez -- "this is the best one" as it might have
been
for the person who recommended same but just doesn't click with you.

For Morse trainer freebees and demos see URL:
http://ac6v.com/morseprograms.htm

For how to learn the code (varies with the individual) see URL:
http://ac6v.com/morseaids.htm#Learn

Two things that almost all will recommend is:
"Study EVERY day for 20 minutes to a half hour"

AND

"Whatever method you use, try to *hear* the code directly as a letter.
IOW, don't try to translate the sound into dot-dash and translate that
into A, just hear the dot-dash and think A. Easier said than done, but
when you master it your receiving speed will increase dramatically."

The AVERAGE person needs about 30 hours of study and practice on the
code to hit 5 wpm.

Good Luck
--
The Anon Keyboard
I doubt, therefore I might be



"Jennie" wrote in message
...
the technician's test today....Not sure of what type of handheld to
buy? Appreciate any help in selecting my first piece of equipment...

I want a handheld with an antenna, and be able to put up an antenna on
the roof of my car and in my attic...

Under 300 if possible.


What is the best Code training stuff out there?

Thanks










dxAce November 7th 04 01:51 AM



Radio Flyer wrote:

That bandplan is outdated. There is no longer a novice class, all novices
were upgraded to technicians. Techs have all priveledges above 50 MHz.


I'm not sure how all that works out though, as the FCC still lists the Novice
Class license, see:

http://www.arrl.org/fcc/stats.html

Data as of 5 November.

dxAce
Michigan
USA




Radio Flyer November 7th 04 01:58 AM


"dxAce" wrote in message
I'm not sure how all that works out though, as the FCC still lists the
Novice
Class license, see:

http://www.arrl.org/fcc/stats.html

Data as of 5 November.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


You are right. I had always assumed that novices became technicians. But
actually tech plusses before 1987 became generals. I found this
http://www.arrl.org/news/restructuring/faq.html about the restructuring.



dxAce November 7th 04 02:07 AM



Radio Flyer wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
I'm not sure how all that works out though, as the FCC still lists the
Novice
Class license, see:

http://www.arrl.org/fcc/stats.html

Data as of 5 November.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


You are right. I had always assumed that novices became technicians. But
actually tech plusses before 1987 became generals. I found this
http://www.arrl.org/news/restructuring/faq.html about the restructuring.


I guess this statement at the bottom of that page says it all:

Novice desiring to upgrade to Technician with HF privileges: You must pass
Element 3A before April 15, or pass Element 2 on/after April 15.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



m II November 7th 04 02:44 AM

Howard wrote:
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:52:13 -0500, "Jennie" wrote:


I think I like a dual band. I live around Atlanta, ga. 2 and 70..


remainder of post snipped for brevity's sake



Jennie,
First off, congratulations!

You might want to see if there are many 220 MHz repeaters in your area
- if so I recommend the Kenwood TH-F6 as it has 2 meters, 220 and 440.
Not as 'bullet proof' regarding intermod as some dual band radio's
I've had but that is also due to it's wideband receive (100 KHz to 1.3
GHz).



The shortwave reception is nothing to write home about..at least
according to these people.

http://www.ticon.net/~n9ewo/thf6.html




mike

Pilotbutteradio November 7th 04 06:28 AM

Congratulations!

I would suggest the Yaesu VX5R. 2 meters, 440, and 6 meters. Hears about
everything else, and you can find one used for about 200.

Good luck with the code.


--
Dave,
Icom 746pro, Drake R-8, Grundig YB-400pe
Icom V-8000, Yaesu VX5R, Uniden
780xlt, R.S. Pro 95, R.S. Pro 2066
G.E. SR3


"Jennie" wrote in message
...
the technician's test today....Not sure of what type of handheld to buy?
Appreciate any help in selecting my first piece of equipment...

I want a handheld with an antenna, and be able to put up an antenna on
the roof of my car and in my attic...

Under 300 if possible.


What is the best Code training stuff out there?

Thanks






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JuLiE Dxer November 7th 04 07:20 PM

I'd ignore the Steve fellow. He's not participating with all his
facilities.

Your location and its VHF/UHF activity would play a role in which
radio would be a better option for you. For example, if you're in an
area where nobody used 440 then buying a duo-bander HT wouldn't really
be too much more useful than buying a simple 2m HT. I've noticed that
a lot of 2m/440 HT's are much more susceptible to intermod and
intereference from strong nearby pager signals whereas all my 2m HT's
never even noticed their existence.

If you wish to use this with an external mobile and house antenna,
perhaps an HT with a BNC connection on top with its antenna would be
best. The SMA connection found on some HT's is a bit more annoying for
such purposes. A simple PL259/BNC adapater could be used then in your
car for the mobile antenna.

Be aware, though, that using such adapters and external antennas can
cause a lot of stress on your HT at the antenna input spot. This extra
stress could cause components to break in that area. I've seen that
many times.

Good luck, jennie. Also, don't be afraid to listen on-air as much as
possible to pick up helpful advice on-the-air and to determine which
local VHF/UHF users are complete idiots. I recommend determining which
local radio ops are completely clueless and avoid at all cost any of
their advice. The last thing you want to do is ruin a brand new HT
because some local idiot on a repeater gave you some very bad advice.
I don't know where you're located but in the Pacific Northwest, the
bottom of the barrel can be found on 2m.


On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:42:51 -0500, "Jennie" wrote:

the technician's test today....Not sure of what type of handheld to buy?
Appreciate any help in selecting my first piece of equipment...

I want a handheld with an antenna, and be able to put up an antenna on the
roof of my car and in my attic...

Under 300 if possible.


What is the best Code training stuff out there?

Thanks



JuLiE Dxer November 7th 04 07:22 PM

I have a IC-T7H and it's nice though quite susceptible to intermod.

JuLiE Dxer November 7th 04 07:22 PM

On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:52:13 -0500, "Jennie" wrote:

I think I like a dual band. I live around Atlanta, ga. 2 and 70..



Do you have any plans on upgrading to general and getting on HF?

JuLiE Dxer November 7th 04 07:25 PM

On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 15:06:15 -0800, "Keyboard In The Wilderness"
wrote:

Be sure you want an HT instead of a mobile.
A mobile can be easily removed from the car and used as base station (with
an external power supply)



I've done that very thing for many years though have base rigs here
capable of 2m/440. I mostly bring the mobile rig in with me because
there are too may druggies around looking for something to steal.

The biggest benefit is being able to use your car battery easily and
be able to run 50+ watts from the mobile. HT's can be cumbersome if
you wish to use an adapter for the external antenna, an adapter for DC
thru the cigarette lighter, and perhaps even an adapter for an
external mic.

JuLiE Dxer November 7th 04 07:26 PM

Techs are allowed everything above 50 MHz, Jennie.



On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:30:18 -0500, "Jennie" wrote:

I noticed that some are 2 Meter/440 MHz

Are those two ranges for technician too?



Jennie November 7th 04 10:08 PM

That is what I want, something to get me started until I learn and pass the
code test. I am more of a visual learner than a dot, ditto person...

Thanks



"JuLiE Dxer" wrote in message
...
I'd ignore the Steve fellow. He's not participating with all his
facilities.

Your location and its VHF/UHF activity would play a role in which
radio would be a better option for you. For example, if you're in an
area where nobody used 440 then buying a duo-bander HT wouldn't really
be too much more useful than buying a simple 2m HT. I've noticed that
a lot of 2m/440 HT's are much more susceptible to intermod and
intereference from strong nearby pager signals whereas all my 2m HT's
never even noticed their existence.

If you wish to use this with an external mobile and house antenna,
perhaps an HT with a BNC connection on top with its antenna would be
best. The SMA connection found on some HT's is a bit more annoying for
such purposes. A simple PL259/BNC adapater could be used then in your
car for the mobile antenna.

Be aware, though, that using such adapters and external antennas can
cause a lot of stress on your HT at the antenna input spot. This extra
stress could cause components to break in that area. I've seen that
many times.

Good luck, jennie. Also, don't be afraid to listen on-air as much as
possible to pick up helpful advice on-the-air and to determine which
local VHF/UHF users are complete idiots. I recommend determining which
local radio ops are completely clueless and avoid at all cost any of
their advice. The last thing you want to do is ruin a brand new HT
because some local idiot on a repeater gave you some very bad advice.
I don't know where you're located but in the Pacific Northwest, the
bottom of the barrel can be found on 2m.


On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:42:51 -0500, "Jennie" wrote:

the technician's test today....Not sure of what type of handheld to buy?
Appreciate any help in selecting my first piece of equipment...

I want a handheld with an antenna, and be able to put up an antenna on
the
roof of my car and in my attic...

Under 300 if possible.


What is the best Code training stuff out there?

Thanks





Radio Flyer November 7th 04 10:22 PM


"Jennie" wrote in message
...
That is what I want, something to get me started until I learn and pass
the code test. I am more of a visual learner than a dot, ditto person...

Thanks


Good luck trying to learn that visually. You will probably find that it is
easier in the long run if you learn aurally.





"JuLiE Dxer" wrote in message
...
I'd ignore the Steve fellow. He's not participating with all his
facilities.

Your location and its VHF/UHF activity would play a role in which
radio would be a better option for you. For example, if you're in an
area where nobody used 440 then buying a duo-bander HT wouldn't really
be too much more useful than buying a simple 2m HT. I've noticed that
a lot of 2m/440 HT's are much more susceptible to intermod and
intereference from strong nearby pager signals whereas all my 2m HT's
never even noticed their existence.

If you wish to use this with an external mobile and house antenna,
perhaps an HT with a BNC connection on top with its antenna would be
best. The SMA connection found on some HT's is a bit more annoying for
such purposes. A simple PL259/BNC adapater could be used then in your
car for the mobile antenna.

Be aware, though, that using such adapters and external antennas can
cause a lot of stress on your HT at the antenna input spot. This extra
stress could cause components to break in that area. I've seen that
many times.

Good luck, jennie. Also, don't be afraid to listen on-air as much as
possible to pick up helpful advice on-the-air and to determine which
local VHF/UHF users are complete idiots. I recommend determining which
local radio ops are completely clueless and avoid at all cost any of
their advice. The last thing you want to do is ruin a brand new HT
because some local idiot on a repeater gave you some very bad advice.
I don't know where you're located but in the Pacific Northwest, the
bottom of the barrel can be found on 2m.


On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:42:51 -0500, "Jennie" wrote:

the technician's test today....Not sure of what type of handheld to buy?
Appreciate any help in selecting my first piece of equipment...

I want a handheld with an antenna, and be able to put up an antenna on
the
roof of my car and in my attic...

Under 300 if possible.


What is the best Code training stuff out there?

Thanks







starman November 8th 04 12:46 AM

Jennie wrote:

That is what I want, something to get me started until I learn and pass the
code test. I am more of a visual learner than a dot, ditto person...


An audio code like Morse can be difficult for so called 'visual' people
who try to see the dots and dashes for each letter. I had the same
problem when I started learning it. You can only go so far before you
can't visualize it fast enough to keep up with the sounds. It's better
to start from the beginning with learning the sounds for each letter
rather than seeing the dots and dashes.


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Keyboard In The Wilderness November 8th 04 12:57 AM


There are some programs that send a morse character audibly, then a sligt
delay flashes the letter on the computer screen
Hence the visual way of learning. Try Morse Code Tutor URL:
http://jcrystal.com/steffenweber/dos/morse.html

I only recommend the visual method if you absolutely can't learn audibly


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"starman" wrote in message
...
Jennie wrote:

That is what I want, something to get me started until I learn and pass
the
code test. I am more of a visual learner than a dot, ditto person...


An audio code like Morse can be difficult for so called 'visual' people
who try to see the dots and dashes for each letter. I had the same
problem when I started learning it. You can only go so far before you
can't visualize it fast enough to keep up with the sounds. It's better
to start from the beginning with learning the sounds for each letter
rather than seeing the dots and dashes.


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Lars Janqqvist November 8th 04 05:05 AM

Frightening the yaks, Jennie just had to say:

That is what I want, something to get me started until I learn and pass the
code test. I am more of a visual learner than a dot, ditto person...

Thanks


Just a general thought about this: Are there any ham clubs in
your area? Seems like that would be a good way to learn what
bands are in heavy use, and also get to talk to folks who own the
different rigs, and maybe even get to do a hands-on tryout.
Nothing beats being able to give a rig a test drive in person.



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JuLiE Dxer November 8th 04 05:25 AM

It may be quite helpful to tune into some slow cw on the ham bands and
practice copying it. You could even record it and go back and try to
figure out which morse code characters are giving you problems.


On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:08:40 -0500, "Jennie" wrote:

That is what I want, something to get me started until I learn and pass the
code test. I am more of a visual learner than a dot, ditto person...

Thanks



"JuLiE Dxer" wrote in message
.. .
I'd ignore the Steve fellow. He's not participating with all his
facilities.

Your location and its VHF/UHF activity would play a role in which
radio would be a better option for you. For example, if you're in an
area where nobody used 440 then buying a duo-bander HT wouldn't really
be too much more useful than buying a simple 2m HT. I've noticed that
a lot of 2m/440 HT's are much more susceptible to intermod and
intereference from strong nearby pager signals whereas all my 2m HT's
never even noticed their existence.

If you wish to use this with an external mobile and house antenna,
perhaps an HT with a BNC connection on top with its antenna would be
best. The SMA connection found on some HT's is a bit more annoying for
such purposes. A simple PL259/BNC adapater could be used then in your
car for the mobile antenna.

Be aware, though, that using such adapters and external antennas can
cause a lot of stress on your HT at the antenna input spot. This extra
stress could cause components to break in that area. I've seen that
many times.

Good luck, jennie. Also, don't be afraid to listen on-air as much as
possible to pick up helpful advice on-the-air and to determine which
local VHF/UHF users are complete idiots. I recommend determining which
local radio ops are completely clueless and avoid at all cost any of
their advice. The last thing you want to do is ruin a brand new HT
because some local idiot on a repeater gave you some very bad advice.
I don't know where you're located but in the Pacific Northwest, the
bottom of the barrel can be found on 2m.


On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:42:51 -0500, "Jennie" wrote:

the technician's test today....Not sure of what type of handheld to buy?
Appreciate any help in selecting my first piece of equipment...

I want a handheld with an antenna, and be able to put up an antenna on
the
roof of my car and in my attic...

Under 300 if possible.


What is the best Code training stuff out there?

Thanks





clifto November 9th 04 07:25 PM

starman wrote:
An audio code like Morse can be difficult for so called 'visual' people
who try to see the dots and dashes for each letter.


Are these the same 'visual' people who have trouble speaking because
they try to see the phonemes for each syllable?

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