uncle arnie wrote:

I'm guessing mostly people who wake at night and need something to do other
than waking the wife (or husband).


Or people who like to get several points of view on world affairs.

Or people who enjoy listening to various kinds of music.

Or people who like listening to military or utility stations

The list goes on and on......

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who are SW listeners?
 

I'm guessing mostly people who wake at night and need something to do other
than waking the wife (or husband).

The Axelrods wrote:



uncle arnie wrote:

I'm guessing mostly people who wake at night and need something to do other
than waking the wife (or husband).


Or people who like to get several points of view on world affairs.

Or people who enjoy listening to various kinds of music.

Or people who like listening to military or utility stations

The list goes on and on......

How about people too poor to afford internet access and satellite radio,
or people outside the range of AM, FM and TV, or people who live in
repressive regimes where only one point of view is broadcast locally, or
people who are all three?



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I've been listening to shortwave radio broadcasts sine the summer of
1984,

I first listened to shortwave either in te late 60's or early 70's.

I once read that Americans are the *least* knowledgable about the rest
of the world than the other way around.

I think that idea isn't true and that foreigners just think that.

However, it probably will be true for a lot of Americans if the foreigners keep
getting rid of their shortwave broadcasts and their English language shortwave
broadcasts.

Not everyone has a computer.

And I don't see a lot of people with satellite dishes, either.

And DirectTV had very little foreign originated stuff.

Stereophile22 wrote:

I once read that Americans are the *least* knowledgable about the rest
of the world than the other way around.


I think that idea isn't true and that foreigners just think that.



Sadly, you may be very wrong.

=========================================
When more than 300 young Americans in the survey were shown a blank
world map and asked to indicate the location of the United States,
only 89 percent could do so.
Other findings from the survey:

* 34 percent of the young Americans knew that the island used on
last season's "Survivor" show was located in the South Pacific, but
only 30 percent could locate the state of New Jersey on a map. The
"Survivor" show's location was the Marquesas Islands in the eastern
South Pacific.
* When asked to find 10 specific states on a map of the United
States, only California and Texas could be located by a large majority
of those surveyed. Both states were correctly located by 89 percent of
the participants. Only 51 percent could find New York, the third most
populous state.
* On a world map, Americans could find on average only seven of
16 countries in the quiz. Swedes could find an average of 13 of the 16
countries.
* Only 71 percent of the surveyed Americans could locate the
Pacific Ocean, the world's largest body of water. Worldwide, three in
10 of those surveyed could not correctly locate the Pacific Ocean.
* Although 81 percent of the surveyed Americans knew that the
Middle East is the Earth's largest oil exporter, only 24 percent could
find Saudi Arabia on the map.


http://www.wfsb.com/Global/story.asp?S=1020584

==================================================



mike















However, it probably will be true for a lot of Americans if the foreigners keep
getting rid of their shortwave broadcasts and their English language shortwave
broadcasts.

Not everyone has a computer.

And I don't see a lot of people with satellite dishes, either.

And DirectTV had very little foreign originated stuff.




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Stereophile22 wrote:

I've been listening to shortwave radio broadcasts sine the summer of
1984,

I first listened to shortwave either in te late 60's or early 70's.

November 1986. I was just turning 12 (November 27) and Boy's Life-a
magazine for Boy Scouts-had an article on SW broadcasting and how you
could hear stations from around the world. The idea gripped me, and soon
I was bugging my parents for a SW radio. Problem is, they were broke,
and the cheapest radio we could find was $150-and of course it was
analog and so on. Finally my mom got in contact with a ham who went to
our church who dug out a Hallicrafters S-40 from his shack and gave it
to me. I'd never seen anything like it-what's a vacuum tube?-and was
utterly fascinated. I would rush home from school every day to listen to
the 31m band. I knew nothing about SW except what the old ham had showed
me, and when I tuned to either side of 31m I heard nothing, so for a
while I just stuck to 9500-10000 khz. But I heard most of the day's
major broadcasters, including the BBC and Radio Moscow.

I once read that Americans are the *least* knowledgable about the rest
of the world than the other way around.

I think that idea isn't true and that foreigners just think that.

Heck, even the Americans admit that they're ignorant about world
affairs! Part of the post 9-11 shock and the whole "we're so kind and
helpful, why do they want to kill us?" reaction was due to American
ignorance about what the US govt has done in their name to people around
the world.

However, it probably will be true for a lot of Americans if the foreigners keep
getting rid of their shortwave broadcasts and their English language shortwave
broadcasts.

I simply can't understand why the suits at DW and BBC are so intent on
cutting their First World directed transmissions. I think they're under
some grand illusions about how people live in reality. VOA I can
understand-it's run by people from FM radioland, and they're focused on
music services like Sawa.

Not everyone has a computer.

And I don't see a lot of people with satellite dishes, either.

And DirectTV had very little foreign originated stuff.





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"uncle arnie" &mex. wrote in message
...
I'm guessing mostly people who wake at night and need something to do
other
than waking the wife (or husband).

US domestic SW radio is an important part of the alternate media. Listeners
can easily get much information which is hard to find elsewhere.

Frank Dresser

uncle arnie &mex. wrote in message ...
I'm guessing mostly people who wake at night and need something to do other
than waking the wife (or husband).

people who want to hear news from other countreis

An ignorant populace is essential for the fascists to be able to stay
in power. That's why we have the hideous fake news on TV.

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 06:54:03 GMT, m II
wrote:

Stereophile22 wrote:

I once read that Americans are the *least* knowledgable about the rest
of the world than the other way around.


I think that idea isn't true and that foreigners just think that.



Sadly, you may be very wrong.

=========================================
When more than 300 young Americans in the survey were shown a blank
world map and asked to indicate the location of the United States,
only 89 percent could do so.
Other findings from the survey:

* 34 percent of the young Americans knew that the island used on
last season's "Survivor" show was located in the South Pacific, but
only 30 percent could locate the state of New Jersey on a map. The
"Survivor" show's location was the Marquesas Islands in the eastern
South Pacific.
* When asked to find 10 specific states on a map of the United
States, only California and Texas could be located by a large majority
of those surveyed. Both states were correctly located by 89 percent of
the participants. Only 51 percent could find New York, the third most
populous state.
* On a world map, Americans could find on average only seven of
16 countries in the quiz. Swedes could find an average of 13 of the 16
countries.
* Only 71 percent of the surveyed Americans could locate the
Pacific Ocean, the world's largest body of water. Worldwide, three in
10 of those surveyed could not correctly locate the Pacific Ocean.
* Although 81 percent of the surveyed Americans knew that the
Middle East is the Earth's largest oil exporter, only 24 percent could
find Saudi Arabia on the map.


http://www.wfsb.com/Global/story.asp?S=1020584

================================================= =



mike















However, it probably will be true for a lot of Americans if the foreigners keep
getting rid of their shortwave broadcasts and their English language shortwave
broadcasts.

Not everyone has a computer.

And I don't see a lot of people with satellite dishes, either.

And DirectTV had very little foreign originated stuff.

David wrote:

An ignorant populace is essential for the fascists to be able to stay
in power. That's why we have the hideous fake news on TV.

Do you watch it, 'tard boy? If so, why? If not, then how would you know it is fake,
'tard boy?

Always LMFAO at the stupid 'tard boy.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

I'm guessing mostly people who wake at night and need something to do other
than waking the wife (or husband)

In Brasil, there are remote areas, where SW is needed to pick up broadcasts. A
few stations have a SW to reach those listeners

For the USA, Many people who came here from other countries or are here
temporarily like to hear news from home

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dxAce wrote:

Always LMFAO at the stupid 'tard boy.


I see you've found yet ANOTHER activity for your nether regions. Pervert.





mike

"uncle arnie" &mex. wrote in message
...
I'm guessing mostly people who wake at night and need something to do
other
than waking the wife (or husband).

I enjoy listening to stations from around the world and if I ever get
proficient enough, it will help me with foreign languages.

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"m II" wrote in message
news:foYld.99137$VA5.35649@clgrps13...

Sadly, you may be very wrong.

=========================================
When more than 300 young Americans in the survey were shown a blank
world map and asked to indicate the location of the United States,
only 89 percent could do so.
Other findings from the survey:

* 34 percent of the young Americans knew that the island used on
last season's "Survivor" show was located in the South Pacific, but
only 30 percent could locate the state of New Jersey on a map. The
"Survivor" show's location was the Marquesas Islands in the eastern
South Pacific.
* When asked to find 10 specific states on a map of the United
States, only California and Texas could be located by a large majority
of those surveyed. Both states were correctly located by 89 percent of
the participants. Only 51 percent could find New York, the third most
populous state.

This reminds me of Summer Y2K when I was in Honolulu trying to talk to a man
in WA. I got his wife and left a message which included a request that he
call me after 11 a.m. his time since I was 3 hours behind and wanted to be
awake and functioning when we talked.

So, he calls me the next morning at 5 a.m. HST/8 a.m. PDT because he figured
that his wife surely got the message wrong since nobody's west of WA
g-r-o-a-n.

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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:01:36 -0600, uncle arnie wrote:

I'm guessing mostly people who wake at night and need something to do
other than waking the wife (or husband).


Wrong. Personally I like listening to news and programming from other
countries. Other viewpoints on world events other than what the U.S. media
wants to feed us.

Oh, I'm not married. I'm not that stupid.

Brian Hill wrote:

CRI had a Chinese learning program. I heard it not too long ago. Years ago I
learned some Finn on YLE. I'm part Finn and wanted to surprise my Grandpa.
Boy was that a hard language.

It's supposedly related to Hungarian somewhere in the dark misty past.
The beauty of those languages is that it's a phonetic alphabet. Once
you know what the letters are, you can pretty well say any word you
can read. Understanding them is the harder work.

With all those carets (sp?) or umlauts above most vowels, you may get
a total of over thirty letters. It's a small price to pay not to have
to have all those stupid 'laws' in English grammar, most of which
aren't rules at all.


Here's mike's law:


I before E except after C but NOT usually!





leisurely neighbour mike

Watch it? Hell, I help create it. I'm in the TV biz.

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:42:53 -0500, dxAce wrote:



David wrote:

An ignorant populace is essential for the fascists to be able to stay
in power. That's why we have the hideous fake news on TV.

Do you watch it, 'tard boy? If so, why? If not, then how would you know it is fake,
'tard boy?

Always LMFAO at the stupid 'tard boy.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

David wrote:

Watch it? Hell, I help create it. I'm in the TV biz.

Care to elaborate on that?



On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:42:53 -0500, dxAce wrote:



David wrote:

An ignorant populace is essential for the fascists to be able to stay
in power. That's why we have the hideous fake news on TV.

Do you watch it, 'tard boy? If so, why? If not, then how would you know it is fake,
'tard boy?

Always LMFAO at the stupid 'tard boy.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Dan wrote:
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 06:54:03 GMT, m II
wrote:


When more than 300 young Americans in the survey were shown a blank
world map and asked to indicate the location of the United States,
only 89 percent could do so.


"Only" 89 percent?!? That's not bad, considering that *everyone* in
that age group absolutely hates Geography!


Other findings from the survey:

* 34 percent of the young Americans knew that the island used on
last season's "Survivor" show was located in the South Pacific, but
only 30 percent could locate the state of New Jersey on a map. The
"Survivor" show's location was the Marquesas Islands in the eastern
South Pacific.


That's statistically equal. Interesting how it's phrased as "34
percent", but "only" 30 percent!


* When asked to find 10 specific states on a map of the United
States, only California and Texas could be located by a large majority
of those surveyed. Both states were correctly located by 89 percent of
the participants. Only 51 percent could find New York, the third most
populous state.


Where were these mythical "young Americans" from? If they had been
from somewhere other than California, they would have done better.
Most people can find their state and a few neighboring states.


* On a world map, Americans could find on average only seven of
16 countries in the quiz. Swedes could find an average of 13 of the 16
countries.


Where were these countries located? Europe?


* Only 71 percent of the surveyed Americans could locate the
Pacific Ocean, the world's largest body of water. Worldwide, three in
10 of those surveyed could not correctly locate the Pacific Ocean.


Interesting phrasing here, also. 71 percent who *could* find it is
exactly the same as "3 in 10", or 30 percent who could *not* find it!


* Although 81 percent of the surveyed Americans knew that the
Middle East is the Earth's largest oil exporter, only 24 percent could
find Saudi Arabia on the map.


All this proves is that "young Americans" (how old, from where?) are
bad at Geography. This does not mean that they know nothing of other
peoples - they just don't know where these people are. Big
difference!

Dan


Reminds me of Mark Twain and his love of statistics. You may well be
right, but these people seem to think differently.


=====================================
Meanwhile, the No Child Left Behind (NCLB) education bill has had
unintended consequences. The bill requires schools to make adequate
yearly progress in reading and math but says nothing about history,
geography, or social studies. As a result, principals and school
administrators are spending more time on the testable subjects and
less time on history, geography, and social studies.

http://www.coreknowledge.org/CKproto...e_ss_wrong.htm

http://snipurl.com/aoip

=====================================


The attempted 'Ebonics' program was an admission of failure in the
education system, but there's help for the rest of us. We can now
conform to THEIR language instead of teaching them OURS. Neat!

Please type in a common phrase. You WILL be enlightened..

http://www.joel.net/EBONICS/translator.asp




mike

Technical, not creative.

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:47:13 -0500, dxAce wrote:



David wrote:

Watch it? Hell, I help create it. I'm in the TV biz.

Care to elaborate on that?



On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:42:53 -0500, dxAce wrote:



David wrote:

An ignorant populace is essential for the fascists to be able to stay
in power. That's why we have the hideous fake news on TV.

Do you watch it, 'tard boy? If so, why? If not, then how would you know it is fake,
'tard boy?

Always LMFAO at the stupid 'tard boy.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"m II" wrote in message

The attempted 'Ebonics' program was an admission of failure in the
education system, but there's help for the rest of us. We can now
conform to THEIR language instead of teaching them OURS. Neat!

Please type in a common phrase. You WILL be enlightened..

http://www.joel.net/EBONICS/translator.asp




mike


That page iz cooler than sheeit! slap mah fro!

B.H.

Brian Hill wrote:

"m II" wrote in message

The attempted 'Ebonics' program was an admission of failure in the
education system, but there's help for the rest of us. We can now
conform to THEIR language instead of teaching them OURS. Neat!

Please type in a common phrase. You WILL be enlightened..

http://www.joel.net/EBONICS/translator.asp




mike

That page iz cooler than sheeit! slap mah fro!

Shortwave listening iz fun. you know das right!

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"-=jd=-" wrote in message
...
On Sat 20 Nov 2004 04:00:27p, dxAce
wrote in message :



Brian Hill wrote:

"m II" wrote in message

The attempted 'Ebonics' program was an admission of
failure in the education system, but there's help for
the rest of us. We can now conform to THEIR language
instead of teaching them OURS. Neat!

Please type in a common phrase. You WILL be
enlightened..

http://www.joel.net/EBONICS/translator.asp




mike

That page iz cooler than sheeit! slap mah fro!

Shortwave listening iz fun. you know das right!

dxAce
Michigan
USA


I seen Kerry at da grand-opening o' uh new bridge over
chappaquiddick. He axed me, "Pardon me, do ya gots any grey-
poupon?", an' I told him ta kiss muh ma-fo ass. Jus' like
Orenthawl James.


-=jd=-

Yooz iz one upper class mo fo bro! Ya' dig?

B.H.

"bug" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:57:23 -0600, "Brian Hill"
wrote:

Yooz iz one upper class mo fo bro! Ya' dig?

B.H.


Uh...if you guys are going to be -- dare I say bigots -- would you at
least have the decency to be equal opportunity bigots, rather than
single out one particular ethnic group?

I mean, where's the joking about Southern white folks and THEIR
colloquial speak?


bug





How is talking funny being a bigot. Hell me and my black friends make fun of
this stuff all the time as well as southern and redneck dialog. Your the
sensitive one making it a racial isue. We just think it sounds funny. Big
deal.

B.H.

Ever heard of Dumb Blond jokes or Red Neck jokes? I've been told that
both those can only apply to WHITE folks. I know of few who've ever
objected to those.

Maybe YOU'D like to tell a few of those just to balance the stats for
r.r.s. (Eyes is white so eyes can't tell dem kine o' jokes!) ;-)

============

bug wrote:
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:57:23 -0600, "Brian Hill"
wrote:


Yooz iz one upper class mo fo bro! Ya' dig?

B.H.



Uh...if you guys are going to be -- dare I say bigots -- would you at
least have the decency to be equal opportunity bigots, rather than
single out one particular ethnic group?

I mean, where's the joking about Southern white folks and THEIR
colloquial speak?


bug

David wrote:

Watch it? Hell, I help create it. I'm in the TV biz.

How do you sleep at night?

Just curious.

It must be cool to have no conscience. Just ask Dan Rather.


On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:42:53 -0500, dxAce wrote:



David wrote:

An ignorant populace is essential for the fascists to be able to stay
in power. That's why we have the hideous fake news on TV.

Do you watch it, 'tard boy? If so, why? If not, then how would you know it is fake,
'tard boy?

Always LMFAO at the stupid 'tard boy.

dxAce
Michigan
USA





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In article , uncle.arnie@NO-email-
received.AT.sask&mex. says...
I'm guessing mostly people who wake at night and need something to do other
than waking the wife (or husband).

Not necessarily. Shortwave listening goes along with my ham radio
hobby, something I've been enjoying for many years. I even had some fun
with it late at night when in the Air Force (story told here several
times in the past so I'll refrain from boring the old-timers in the
group).

But it's not something solely for the insomniac -- although some
interesting stuff comes in at night that I'd never hear during the day.
For one thing, I do a bit of traveling, so having a way of getting
English-language news broadcasts around the world is important to me. I
especially enjoy the big-gun broadcasters like BBC, Radio Netherlands,
Deutsche Welle, Radio Australia, Radio Taiwan and NHK Radio Japan, as
well as the VOA. It also gives me a different insight on the happenings
in the world, from a non-American point of view -- makes me look at
things differently sometimes, or at least to try to understand the
viewpoint of other nations of events happening in the world.

Some of the programming from countries like Radio Havana Cuba or China
Radio International can be entertaining, ideology aside. I especially
enjoy Arnie Corro's DX program on RHC when I have a chance to tune in.

And of course, I enjoy some of the religious programing, usually HCJB.
(I even had the pleasure of meeting Allan Graham, host of their DXing
program, some months back on one of his US visits. Even though I don't
always have the chance to listen to his program on the air, I make sure
to download it from the HCJB website for off-air listening.)

No, it's not something solely for the insomniac. My wife sometimes
thinks I'm a little weird for it but I can live with that. ;-)

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Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS
Fountain Valley, CA
Email:

In article ,
says...
I once read that Americans are the *least* knowledgable about the rest
of the world than the other way around.

I think there's truth to this notion.

I think there's a LOT of truth to this notion. Probably it's because
many of us just don't care all that much about anything but ourselves.
Sad commentary, but there it is.

--

-- //Steve//

Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS
Fountain Valley, CA
Email:

In article ,
says...

"m II" wrote in message

The attempted 'Ebonics' program was an admission of failure in the
education system, but there's help for the rest of us. We can now
conform to THEIR language instead of teaching them OURS. Neat!

Please type in a common phrase. You WILL be enlightened..

http://www.joel.net/EBONICS/translator.asp

That page iz cooler than sheeit! slap mah fro!

Having a Monty Python flashback, I plugged in:

I would like to buy some cheese.

and got:

Wants ta gank some cheese. an dat boil on mah a$$.

(ot sure where that last part came from....)

Gank?

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Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS
Fountain Valley, CA
Email:

In article ,
says...
Thanks - I started looking at the BBC site the other night but only found
learning languages on TV before I quit. Am continuing the search - am
interested in French, German, Spanish, Italian, and Gaelic.

If you're interested in learning other languages, the BBC is probably
the last place to start looking.... It's ENGLAND, for Pete's sake!
They speak ENGLISH! ;-)

French? Check out Radio France.
German? Deutsche Welle.
Spanish? Try Radio Exterior Espana, or possibly Radio Havana Cuba.

And so on.

--

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Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS
Fountain Valley, CA
Email:

Steve Silverwood wrote:

In article ,
says...
Thanks - I started looking at the BBC site the other night but only found
learning languages on TV before I quit. Am continuing the search - am
interested in French, German, Spanish, Italian, and Gaelic.

If you're interested in learning other languages, the BBC is probably
the last place to start looking.... It's ENGLAND, for Pete's sake!
They speak ENGLISH! ;-)

French? Check out Radio France.
German? Deutsche Welle.
Spanish? Try Radio Exterior Espana, or possibly Radio Havana Cuba.

And so on.



If you're in the US, and have good tropical band reception, you should
be able to get any number of Spanish language SW signals from Central
and South America. Maybe not as many as in the past, but they're still
out there.




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