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TV, ADD, Spellcasting, Etc.
Pastor Peter J. Peters was on WWCR 9.985 at 9:00 EST / 14:00 UTC and had
been catching up on his mail as he was discussing lots of little topics which got mailed to him. He sites a study and quotes a teacher concerning TV between the ages of 2 & 3 causing ADD at age 7+. Lots of other topics of interest. Oh, this same program (Dated 11/11/04, I believe) will be repeated on 12.160 MHz at 12:00 EST / 17:00 UTC and again at 11:00 pm (23:00) EST / 04:00 UTC. He'll also be on the hour before this last mention, but that will be different - sometimes LIVE. Also that one gets repeated at 04:00 EST / 09:00 UTC. He's also on satellite 24/7 on Telstar 5. Look for SFAW, Scriptures For America, etc. Don't know the exact name of the channel. All this can be heard on the internet at http://www.scripturesforamerica.org - I think. Just thought some of you might like to know. Al |
Al Patrick wrote:
Pastor Peter J. Peters was on WWCR 9.985 at 9:00 EST / 14:00 UTC and had been catching up on his mail as he was discussing lots of little topics which got mailed to him. SNIP http://www.scripturesforamerica.org - I think. Just thought some of you might like to know. Just thought some of you might like to know what a vile, scary neo-Nazi, Christian "Identity" nutcase Pete Peters is: http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/amer...te-peters.html |
Leigh Marrin/KM6JE wrote:
Al Patrick wrote: Pastor Peter J. Peters was on WWCR 9.985 at 9:00 EST / 14:00 UTC and had been catching up on his mail as he was discussing lots of little topics which got mailed to him. SNIP http://www.scripturesforamerica.org - I think. Just thought some of you might like to know. Just thought some of you might like to know what a vile, scary neo-Nazi, Christian "Identity" nutcase Pete Peters is: http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/amer...te-peters.html And I thought some of you might want to know what some others think about the ADL whom he referenced above. http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/ADL/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League For the following quote go to: http://www.zpub.com/notes/adl2.html The ADL is "...one of the ugliest, most powerful pressure groups in the U.S...Its primary commitment is to use any technique, however dishonest and disgraceful, in order to defame and silence and destroy anybody who dares to criticize the Holy State ('Israel')." --Noam Chomsky, Professor of Linguistics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology http://www.sfbayview.com/012804/antisemitic012804.shtml http://www.votenader.org/why_ralph/index.php?cid=119 http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ghoffer06.html http://www.eaif.org/Chron/chron83.htm http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti.../6/15319.shtml And regardless of what you may think or claim about the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" the ADL is VERY ANTI-CHRISTIAN. See: http://www.rense.com/general54/adl.htm and yet they want the support of all the Christians. "Let His blood be on our hands and on our children!" "Crucify Him! Crucify Him!" http://www.rense.com/general37/RRTO.HTM tells us "Libel Award Against Anti-Defamation League Upheld 4-26-3 " Check out http://www.webshells.com/adlwatch/news34.htm for a fellows personal experiences with the ADL. Boy! I almost forgot the William (Bill) Cooper archives. He used to give LOTS of commentary on the ADL, their activities and the meaning of B'nai B'rith. Best I can recall it basically means they are the sons of AI. You Bible scholars know about the happenings at Ai don't you? The children of Israel were defeated, temporarily, because of one man's sin. How can they be "Israel" if they are the sons of a nation God commanded Israel to destroy? There is MUCH more on the ADL and its "fine" fellows - and tactics. But this is enough to get you started. Don't want to "overload" you with just one message. ;-) Al P.S. Let me put that snip back in in case any of you care to hear Pastor Peter J. Peters for yourself tonight. "He sites a study and quotes a teacher concerning TV between the ages of 2 & 3 causing ADD at age 7+. Lots of other topics of interest. Oh, this same program (Dated 11/11/04, I believe) will be repeated on 12.160 MHz at 12:00 EST / 17:00 UTC and again at 11:00 pm (23:00) EST / 04:00 UTC. He'll also be on the hour before this last mention, but that will be different - sometimes LIVE. Also that one gets repeated at 04:00 EST / 09:00 UTC. He's also on satellite 24/7 on Telstar 5. Look for SFAW, Scriptures For America, etc. Don't know the exact name of the channel. All this can be heard on the internet at http://www.scripturesforamerica.org - I think. Just thought some of you might like to know. " |
Al Patrick wrote:
Leigh Marrin/KM6JE wrote: Al Patrick wrote: Pastor Peter J. Peters was on WWCR 9.985 at 9:00 EST / 14:00 UTC and had been catching up on his mail as he was discussing lots of little topics which got mailed to him. SNIP http://www.scripturesforamerica.org - I think. Just thought some of you might like to know. Just thought some of you might like to know what a vile, scary neo-Nazi, Christian "Identity" nutcase Pete Peters is: http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/amer...te-peters.html And I thought some of you might want to know what some others think about the ADL whom he referenced above. http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/ADL/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League For the following quote go to: http://www.zpub.com/notes/adl2.html The ADL is "...one of the ugliest, most powerful pressure groups in the U.S...Its primary commitment is to use any technique, however dishonest and disgraceful, in order to defame and silence and destroy anybody who dares to criticize the Holy State ('Israel')." --Noam Chomsky, Professor of Linguistics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Al Patrick quotes Noam Chomsky! Who'da thunk it? The more extreme the politics, the stranger the bedfellows. http://www.sfbayview.com/012804/antisemitic012804.shtml http://www.votenader.org/why_ralph/index.php?cid=119 http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ghoffer06.html http://www.eaif.org/Chron/chron83.htm http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti.../6/15319.shtml And regardless of what you may think or claim about the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" the ADL is VERY ANTI-CHRISTIAN. See: http://www.rense.com/general54/adl.htm and yet they want the support of all the Christians. "Let His blood be on our hands and on our children!" "Crucify Him! Crucify Him!" Have you ever considered that the Bible may NOT be an accurate historical record? http://www.rense.com/general37/RRTO.HTM tells us "Libel Award Against Anti-Defamation League Upheld 4-26-3 " Check out http://www.webshells.com/adlwatch/news34.htm for a fellows personal experiences with the ADL. Boy! I almost forgot the William (Bill) Cooper archives. He used to give LOTS of commentary on the ADL, their activities and the meaning of B'nai B'rith. Best I can recall it basically means they are the sons of AI. You Bible scholars know about the happenings at Ai don't you? The children of Israel were defeated, temporarily, because of one man's sin. How can they be "Israel" if they are the sons of a nation God commanded Israel to destroy? Ai! :) Really, Al, the Jewish nation has subsumed any number of other tribes over the millennia, especially in the ancient period. Being a Jew isn't determined by genes, despite what you Nazis think. Oh, and did the Jews kill Cooper? You know, override his brain with their super technology and force his finger to pull the trigger? There is MUCH more on the ADL and its "fine" fellows - and tactics. But this is enough to get you started. Don't want to "overload" you with just one message. ;-) Al P.S. Let me put that snip back in in case any of you care to hear Pastor Peter J. Peters for yourself tonight. I'll leave it in. If the Nazi nuts weren't ranting on SW, they'd be out killing people. I'd prefer that they stick to SW, even if WWCR is kinda hard to ignore. :) "He sites a study and quotes a teacher concerning TV between the ages of 2 & 3 causing ADD at age 7+. Lots of other topics of interest. Oh, this same program (Dated 11/11/04, I believe) will be repeated on 12.160 MHz at 12:00 EST / 17:00 UTC and again at 11:00 pm (23:00) EST / 04:00 UTC. He'll also be on the hour before this last mention, but that will be different - sometimes LIVE. Also that one gets repeated at 04:00 EST / 09:00 UTC. He's also on satellite 24/7 on Telstar 5. Look for SFAW, Scriptures For America, etc. Don't know the exact name of the channel. All this can be heard on the internet at http://www.scripturesforamerica.org - I think. Just thought some of you might like to know. " ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
tommyknocker wrote: Al Patrick wrote: s n i p The ADL is "...one of the ugliest, most powerful pressure groups in the U.S...Its primary commitment is to use any technique, however dishonest and disgraceful, in order to defame and silence and destroy anybody who dares to criticize the Holy State ('Israel')." --Noam Chomsky, Professor of Linguistics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Al Patrick quotes Noam Chomsky! Who'da thunk it? The more extreme the politics, the stranger the bedfellows. I'm not too choosy. I'd even quote you if you ever said anything worthy of being quoted (oh, I just did quote you, sorry.) The above quote is just typical of MANY people's opinions on the ADL and they have much proof to back it up. . . . One thing the ADL seems to be really short on most of the time. They just tell their lies and, sad to say, all too often law enforcement seems to accept it as the truth. One high school principal received a message from the ADL with a preacher's picture on it and telling how "dangerous" that preacher was. I'm sure he must frighten them nearly to death because one thing they can't stand is the truth. Like cock roaches they run from the light and scurry for another rock to crawl under -- all the while telling others how "dangerous" light is! :-) I'm sure it must have been sent to far more than the one principal. Anyway, that one surely didn't buy the lies! Al |
Al Patrick wrote:
The above quote is just typical of MANY people's opinions on the ADL and they have much proof to back it up. . . . One thing the ADL seems to be really short on most of the time. They just tell their lies and, sad to say, all too often law enforcement seems to accept it as the truth. Al, you started this "thread" on Pete Peters, and now you're quickly drifting off your own topic. Speaking of truth, I wonder how many of Pastor Pete's "truths" do you believe? --His "Christian" Identity belief that Jews are the spawn of Satan? --Homosexuals should be executed? --Peters' support of domestic terrorist groups like "The Order"? |
Working on a reply right now, but tune your radio to 9.985 MHz to see
what Joyce Reily is about to tell us of Israel buying another key piece of real estate in Washington! It's 08:00 EST / 13:00 UTC now. Leigh Marrin/KM6JE wrote: Al Patrick wrote: The above quote is just typical of MANY people's opinions on the ADL and they have much proof to back it up. . . . One thing the ADL seems to be really short on most of the time. They just tell their lies and, sad to say, all too often law enforcement seems to accept it as the truth. Al, you started this "thread" on Pete Peters, and now you're quickly drifting off your own topic. Speaking of truth, I wonder how many of Pastor Pete's "truths" do you believe? --His "Christian" Identity belief that Jews are the spawn of Satan? --Homosexuals should be executed? --Peters' support of domestic terrorist groups like "The Order"? |
Leigh Marrin/KM6JE wrote: Al, you started this "thread" on Pete Peters, and now you're quickly drifting off your own topic. Speaking of truth, I wonder how many of Pastor Pete's "truths" do you believe? --His "Christian" Identity belief that Jews are the spawn of Satan? --Homosexuals should be executed? --Peters' support of domestic terrorist groups like "The Order"? I'm going to letter your three comments as A) B) & C). A) You say, " --His "Christian" Identity belief that Jews are the spawn of Satan?" Let's see if he has any basis for it. Shall we start with what Jesus Christ Himself and other Bible characters said? In Matthew 15 the scribes and Pharisees (v. 1) came to Jesus and ... He answered (v.3) Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? Go ahead and read the chapter. He tells of their hypocracies and calls them hypocrites. V.22 a Canaanite woman comes to Him and tells her it is not right to take the Children's bread and give it to the DOGS. (v26) In Matthew 16 He calls the Pharisees and dSadducees hypocrites and a wicked and adulterous generation and verse 6 tells us, "Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees." There are MANY other places where Christ calls the Pharisees and Sadducees things like snakes, white washed tombs, etc. Then, in John 8 He tells them they are of THEIR FATHER THE DEVIL. 38 ¶ I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. 39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. 41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. 42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 46 ¶ Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47 He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. I suppose that is far enough on this one topic. But there is MUCH more Biblical and secular evidence. Check out YOU GENTILES by a Jewish author, Maurice Samuel. The cover, front, back and even the spine is a picture of one HUGE cattle pen with all kinds of chutes and cross fences. I'm sure this represents the fact that Jews see non-Jews as goyim - cattle. There are MANY significant quotes available from this piece of enlightenment. We'll just mention a few. Chap. 9 is entitled "We, the Destroyers". His opening sentence, "If anything, you must learn (and are learning)to dislike and fear the modern and 'assimilated' Jew more than you did the old Jew, for he is more dangerous to you." That, along with the chapter title, reminds me of something George Washington is supposed to have said. According to Maxims of George Washington, by A. A. Appleton & Co, old George said, "They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in... It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America." B) & C) will have to wait, but get a good Bible and read Leviticus 18:22 and follow any references thereto for B. C) I never heard of and wonder who made it up. The ADL? ;-) |
Al Patrick wrote:
Working on a reply right now, but tune your radio to 9.985 MHz to see what Joyce Reily is about to tell us of Israel buying another key piece of real estate in Washington! It's 08:00 EST / 13:00 UTC now. That's rich. Israel using American welfare billions to buy land in the donor country. I love it. I wonder how much of the billions in 'aid' to the zionists gets rechanneled to crooked politicians via the NeoCon network? A little kickback assures the money keeps flowing. A wonderful system..well, perhaps not for the US taxpayer, but they don't have any say over foreign policy anyway. mike |
"Leigh Marrin/KM6JE" wrote: | Al, you started this "thread" on Pete Peters, and now you're quickly | drifting off your own topic. | | Speaking of truth, I wonder how many of Pastor Pete's "truths" do you | believe? | | --His "Christian" Identity belief that Jews are the spawn of Satan? | | --Homosexuals should be executed? | | --Peters' support of domestic terrorist groups like "The Order"? Aww, don't mind Al; he's RRS's resident Jew - hater®. 73, Steve Lawrence Burnsville, Minnesota --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/04 |
Interesting article by a jew, Dr. Henery Makow
www.savethemales.ca/000482.html ..............GC "Stephen M.H. Lawrence" wrote in message link.net... "Leigh Marrin/KM6JE" wrote: | Al, you started this "thread" on Pete Peters, and now you're quickly | drifting off your own topic. | | Speaking of truth, I wonder how many of Pastor Pete's "truths" do you | believe? | | --His "Christian" Identity belief that Jews are the spawn of Satan? | | --Homosexuals should be executed? | | --Peters' support of domestic terrorist groups like "The Order"? Aww, don't mind Al; he's RRS's resident Jew - hater®. 73, Steve Lawrence Burnsville, Minnesota --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/04 |
Ever heard the saying, "The bit dog barks"? "The truth hurts"? The
truth is the truth, even when it is about Jews. Stephen M.H. Lawrence wrote: "Leigh Marrin/KM6JE" wrote: | Al, you started this "thread" on Pete Peters, and now you're quickly | drifting off your own topic. | | Speaking of truth, I wonder how many of Pastor Pete's "truths" do you | believe? | | --His "Christian" Identity belief that Jews are the spawn of Satan? | | --Homosexuals should be executed? | | --Peters' support of domestic terrorist groups like "The Order"? Aww, don't mind Al; he's RRS's resident Jew - hater®. 73, Steve Lawrence Burnsville, Minnesota --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/04 |
Bunk. First of all the diagnosis is ADHD (Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity
Disorder), not ADD (not since DSM-IV). Second, there is no link b/n the development of ADHD and TV. It is usually noticed in toddlerhood, before TV is a factor. It is neurological condition. Runs in families. In some communities, it is over-diagnosed and inappropriate prescriptions given. Treated in the UK with minimal medication. Treated in North America as medicine as the first thing. Relates to drug company advertising and schools not wanting to spend the $ on behavioral treatments and off loading this onto drugs and parents. I think your Pastor Peters is not qualified to diagnose, discuss etiology or provide a review of research. On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:24 am, Al Patrick posted to rec.radio.shortwave: %MM Pastor Peter J. Peters was on WWCR 9.985 at 9:00 EST / 14:00 UTC and had been catching up on his mail as he was discussing lots of little topics which got mailed to him. He sites a study and quotes a teacher concerning TV between the ages of 2 & 3 causing ADD at age 7+. Lots of other topics of interest. Oh, this same program (Dated 11/11/04, I believe) will be repeated on 12.160 MHz at 12:00 EST / 17:00 UTC and again at 11:00 pm (23:00) EST / 04:00 UTC. He'll also be on the hour before this last mention, but that will be different - sometimes LIVE. Also that one gets repeated at 04:00 EST / 09:00 UTC. He's also on satellite 24/7 on Telstar 5. Look for SFAW, Scriptures For America, etc. Don't know the exact name of the channel. All this can be heard on the internet at http://www.scripturesforamerica.org - I think. Just thought some of you might like to know. Al |
"He sites a study and quotes a teacher concerning TV between the ages of
2 & 3 causing ADD at age 7+." You don't read too well. Bro. Stair probably does a better job. ;-) ========== uncle arnie wrote: Bunk. First of all the diagnosis is ADHD (Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder), not ADD (not since DSM-IV). Second, there is no link b/n the development of ADHD and TV. It is usually noticed in toddlerhood, before TV is a factor. It is neurological condition. Runs in families. In some communities, it is over-diagnosed and inappropriate prescriptions given. Treated in the UK with minimal medication. Treated in North America as medicine as the first thing. Relates to drug company advertising and schools not wanting to spend the $ on behavioral treatments and off loading this onto drugs and parents. I think your Pastor Peters is not qualified to diagnose, discuss etiology or provide a review of research. On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:24 am, Al Patrick posted to rec.radio.shortwave: %MM Pastor Peter J. Peters was on WWCR 9.985 at 9:00 EST / 14:00 UTC and had been catching up on his mail as he was discussing lots of little topics which got mailed to him. He sites a study and quotes a teacher concerning TV between the ages of 2 & 3 causing ADD at age 7+. Lots of other topics of interest. Oh, this same program (Dated 11/11/04, I believe) will be repeated on 12.160 MHz at 12:00 EST / 17:00 UTC and again at 11:00 pm (23:00) EST / 04:00 UTC. He'll also be on the hour before this last mention, but that will be different - sometimes LIVE. Also that one gets repeated at 04:00 EST / 09:00 UTC. He's also on satellite 24/7 on Telstar 5. Look for SFAW, Scriptures For America, etc. Don't know the exact name of the channel. All this can be heard on the internet at http://www.scripturesforamerica.org - I think. Just thought some of you might like to know. Al |
Stephen M.H. Lawrence wrote:
"Leigh Marrin/KM6JE" wrote: | Al, you started this "thread" on Pete Peters, and now you're quickly | drifting off your own topic. | | Speaking of truth, I wonder how many of Pastor Pete's "truths" do you | believe? | | --His "Christian" Identity belief that Jews are the spawn of Satan? | | --Homosexuals should be executed? | | --Peters' support of domestic terrorist groups like "The Order"? Aww, don't mind Al; he's RRS's resident Jew - hater®. Al also believes the Bible is literally true and correct. Unfortunately this is not an isolated view among Americans. I personally have a hard time taking seriously anybody who believes in the literal truth of say the account of Creation in Genesis, or the Great Flood (and Noah's Ark). Jonah wasn't literally swallowed by a whale, Moses didn't literally hit the ground with his staff and cause water to appear, the Red Sea didn't literally open up and allow the Israelites to walk across on dry land then cave in on Pharaoh's troops (despite what the movie shows). You'd think all of this would be obvious in an age of science, and that the Bible is full of metaphors and parables, but apparently not. (Tackling just one of those: the original Hebrew said Jonah was swallowed by a big fish, which was their equivalent of an American saying somebody is between a rock and a hard place; it's a figure of speech, we don't mean it literally. In Jonah's case, he was in a tough position because he was made to go and preach moral reform to a wicked city, something he didn't want to do.) ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
Al Patrick wrote:
Ever heard the saying, "The bit dog barks"? "The truth hurts"? The truth is the truth, even when it is about Jews. Al, I read your "proof", and I don't buy it. The bible is so full of odd & archaic phrases, contradictions, history & fables that just about ANYTHING can be extracted from it. Whether one is a Ghandi-ish turn-the-other-cheek pacifist or a Mad Bomber blowing up abortion clinics, each extreme can find some passage in the bible to justify their behavior. So: evidently you DO BELIEVE that jews are the "spawn of satan", like your hero, Pete Peters. I'm not surprised: do you STILL believe your posting of several years ago; that all the Jews who worked in the World Trade Center were warned not to work on 9/11/01? The truth hurts, Al: IMO, you are a gullible naive who is quite willing to believe almost any kooky anti-semitic theory. |
Leigh Marrin/KM6JE wrote:
Whether one is a Ghandi-ish turn-the-other-cheek pacifist or a Mad Bomber blowing up abortion clinics, each extreme can find some passage in the bible to justify their behavior. You misunderestimate the venerable Mister Gandhi "Where the choice is between only violence and cowardice, I would advise violence." ~ Mohatma Gandhi mike |
"tommyknocker" wrote in message ... Stephen M.H. Lawrence wrote: "Leigh Marrin/KM6JE" wrote: | Al, you started this "thread" on Pete Peters, and now you're quickly | drifting off your own topic. | | Speaking of truth, I wonder how many of Pastor Pete's "truths" do you | believe? | | --His "Christian" Identity belief that Jews are the spawn of Satan? | | --Homosexuals should be executed? | | --Peters' support of domestic terrorist groups like "The Order"? Aww, don't mind Al; he's RRS's resident Jew - hater®. Al also believes the Bible is literally true and correct. Unfortunately this is not an isolated view among Americans. I personally have a hard time taking seriously anybody who believes in the literal truth of say the account of Creation in Genesis, or the Great Flood (and Noah's Ark). Jonah wasn't literally swallowed by a whale, Moses didn't literally hit the ground with his staff and cause water to appear, the Red Sea didn't literally open up and allow the Israelites to walk across on dry land then cave in on Pharaoh's troops (despite what the movie shows). You'd think all of this would be obvious in an age of science, and that the Bible is full of metaphors and parables, but apparently not. (Tackling just one of those: the original Hebrew said Jonah was swallowed by a big fish, which was their equivalent of an American saying somebody is between a rock and a hard place; it's a figure of speech, we don't mean it literally. In Jonah's case, he was in a tough position because he was made to go and preach moral reform to a wicked city, something he didn't want to do.) "... Jonah was swallowed by a big fish..." ... A whale is not a fish. k35454. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father
ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Leigh Marrin/KM6JE wrote: So: evidently you DO BELIEVE that jews are the "spawn of satan", like your hero, Pete Peters. I'm not surprised: do you STILL believe your posting of several years ago; that all the Jews who worked in the World Trade Center were warned not to work on 9/11/01? |
"Al Patrick" wrote: | John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father | ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the | truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he | speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Al, I just wanted to pass on a message to you: The laundry called, and your brown shirts are ready. 73, Steve Lawrence Burnsville, Minnesota --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/04 |
Steve,
I didn't realize you were a laundry assistant! ;-) Here are a few other quotes to ponder - since you like them so well. Pr 11:21 Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished: but the seed of the righteous shall be delivered. Pr 13:5 A righteous man hateth lying: but a wicked man is loathsome, and cometh to shame. Pr 13:9 The light of the righteous rejoiceth: but the lamp of the wicked shall be put out. Pr 15:28 The heart of the righteous studieth to answer: but the mouth of the wicked poureth out evil things. Pr 15:29 The LORD is far from the wicked: but he heareth the prayer of the righteous. Pr 18:5 It is not good to accept the person of the wicked, to overthrow the righteous in judgment. Pr 21:12 The righteous man wisely considereth the house of the wicked: but God overthroweth the wicked for their wickedness. Pr 24:15 Lay not wait, O wicked man, against the dwelling of the righteous; spoil not his resting place: Pr 24:24 He that saith unto the wicked, Thou art righteous; him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him: Pr 28:1 The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion. Pr 28:12 When righteous men do rejoice, there is great glory: but when the wicked rise, a man is hidden. Pr 28:28 When the wicked rise, men hide themselves: but when they perish, the righteous increase. Pr 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn. Pr 29:7 The righteous considereth the cause of the poor: but the wicked regardeth not to know it. Pr 29:16 When the wicked are multiplied, transgression increaseth: but the righteous shall see their fall. Ec 3:17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work. Isa 5:23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him! Stephen M.H. Lawrence wrote: "Al Patrick" wrote: | John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father | ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the | truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he | speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Al, I just wanted to pass on a message to you: The laundry called, and your brown shirts are ready. 73, Steve Lawrence Burnsville, Minnesota |
Al Patrick wrote:
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Matthew 7:1 Judge not, so ye may not be judged. |
ONe study does not prove anything. Maybe the teacher did this with his/her
own kids. What peer reviewed journal is the study published in. I hope you don't believe everything a shyster religous nut tells you. This is stil b.s. On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 05:45 pm, Al Patrick posted to rec.radio.shortwave: %MM "He sites a study and quotes a teacher concerning TV between the ages of 2 & 3 causing ADD at age 7+." You don't read too well. Bro. Stair probably does a better job. ;-) ========== uncle arnie wrote: Bunk. First of all the diagnosis is ADHD (Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder), not ADD (not since DSM-IV). Second, there is no link b/n the development of ADHD and TV. It is usually noticed in toddlerhood, before TV is a factor. It is neurological condition. Runs in families. In some communities, it is over-diagnosed and inappropriate prescriptions given. Treated in the UK with minimal medication. Treated in North America as medicine as the first thing. Relates to drug company advertising and schools not wanting to spend the $ on behavioral treatments and off loading this onto drugs and parents. I think your Pastor Peters is not qualified to diagnose, discuss etiology or provide a review of research. On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:24 am, Al Patrick posted to rec.radio.shortwave: %MM Pastor Peter J. Peters was on WWCR 9.985 at 9:00 EST / 14:00 UTC and had been catching up on his mail as he was discussing lots of little topics which got mailed to him. He sites a study and quotes a teacher concerning TV between the ages of 2 & 3 causing ADD at age 7+. Lots of other topics of interest. Oh, this same program (Dated 11/11/04, I believe) will be repeated on 12.160 MHz at 12:00 EST / 17:00 UTC and again at 11:00 pm (23:00) EST / 04:00 UTC. He'll also be on the hour before this last mention, but that will be different - sometimes LIVE. Also that one gets repeated at 04:00 EST / 09:00 UTC. He's also on satellite 24/7 on Telstar 5. Look for SFAW, Scriptures For America, etc. Don't know the exact name of the channel. All this can be heard on the internet at http://www.scripturesforamerica.org - I think. Just thought some of you might like to know. Al |
The point of the posting was for YOU to be able to hear it ALL, IN
CONTEXT, FOR YOURSELF if you were interested. Apparently you were not so I don't feel obligated to try to tell you the entire context. Anyone can sit back and belly ache about what *they think* someone else is. It's a whole different matter to get the data and PROVE them to be wrong. To you it probably is B.S. I'm sure all those who hammered on the door of the ark, if they did, after the gully washer rain came had changed their mind. However, for some, it is too late. YOU have to make up YOUR own mind, but don't pretend everyone else is wrong because you can't or won't see it! :-) uncle arnie wrote: ONe study does not prove anything. Maybe the teacher did this with his/her own kids. What peer reviewed journal is the study published in. I hope you don't believe everything a shyster religous nut tells you. This is stil b.s. On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 05:45 pm, Al Patrick posted to rec.radio.shortwave: %MM "He sites a study and quotes a teacher concerning TV between the ages of 2 & 3 causing ADD at age 7+." You don't read too well. Bro. Stair probably does a better job. ;-) ========== uncle arnie wrote: Bunk. First of all the diagnosis is ADHD (Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder), not ADD (not since DSM-IV). Second, there is no link b/n the development of ADHD and TV. It is usually noticed in toddlerhood, before TV is a factor. It is neurological condition. Runs in families. In some communities, it is over-diagnosed and inappropriate prescriptions given. Treated in the UK with minimal medication. Treated in North America as medicine as the first thing. Relates to drug company advertising and schools not wanting to spend the $ on behavioral treatments and off loading this onto drugs and parents. I think your Pastor Peters is not qualified to diagnose, discuss etiology or provide a review of research. On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:24 am, Al Patrick posted to rec.radio.shortwave: %MM Pastor Peter J. Peters was on WWCR 9.985 at 9:00 EST / 14:00 UTC and had been catching up on his mail as he was discussing lots of little topics which got mailed to him. He sites a study and quotes a teacher concerning TV between the ages of 2 & 3 causing ADD at age 7+. Lots of other topics of interest. Oh, this same program (Dated 11/11/04, I believe) will be repeated on 12.160 MHz at 12:00 EST / 17:00 UTC and again at 11:00 pm (23:00) EST / 04:00 UTC. He'll also be on the hour before this last mention, but that will be different - sometimes LIVE. Also that one gets repeated at 04:00 EST / 09:00 UTC. He's also on satellite 24/7 on Telstar 5. Look for SFAW, Scriptures For America, etc. Don't know the exact name of the channel. All this can be heard on the internet at http://www.scripturesforamerica.org - I think. Just thought some of you might like to know. Al |
From the book of almighty subgenious Bob:
Bob 6:66 - Confucious say defecate in your pants. "Al Patrick" wrote in message ... Steve, I didn't realize you were a laundry assistant! ;-) Here are a few other quotes to ponder - since you like them so well. Pr 11:21 Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished: but the seed of the righteous shall be delivered. Pr 13:5 A righteous man hateth lying: but a wicked man is loathsome, and cometh to shame. Pr 13:9 The light of the righteous rejoiceth: but the lamp of the wicked shall be put out. Pr 15:28 The heart of the righteous studieth to answer: but the mouth of the wicked poureth out evil things. Pr 15:29 The LORD is far from the wicked: but he heareth the prayer of the righteous. Pr 18:5 It is not good to accept the person of the wicked, to overthrow the righteous in judgment. Pr 21:12 The righteous man wisely considereth the house of the wicked: but God overthroweth the wicked for their wickedness. Pr 24:15 Lay not wait, O wicked man, against the dwelling of the righteous; spoil not his resting place: Pr 24:24 He that saith unto the wicked, Thou art righteous; him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him: Pr 28:1 The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion. Pr 28:12 When righteous men do rejoice, there is great glory: but when the wicked rise, a man is hidden. Pr 28:28 When the wicked rise, men hide themselves: but when they perish, the righteous increase. Pr 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn. Pr 29:7 The righteous considereth the cause of the poor: but the wicked regardeth not to know it. Pr 29:16 When the wicked are multiplied, transgression increaseth: but the righteous shall see their fall. Ec 3:17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work. Isa 5:23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him! Stephen M.H. Lawrence wrote: "Al Patrick" wrote: | John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father | ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the | truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he | speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Al, I just wanted to pass on a message to you: The laundry called, and your brown shirts are ready. 73, Steve Lawrence Burnsville, Minnesota |
Honus wrote:
"Al Patrick" wrote in message ... b i g s n i p NO such things as nuclear energy such that the skin can melt off a man while he yet stands, along with his eyes and tongue melting out of his head! More hyperbole. You're basically describing a massive amount of heat. Why not? They tried to say that the entire planet was buried under a massive amount of water. I'm surprised they didn't bring up anything about massive amounts of ice, too. (Besides hail stones.) Oh, wait. Why would they? They encounter all of those other phenomena in the Middle East...but ice ages, no. Hmmm. Kind of telling, don't you think? Check out: Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. |
"Al Patrick" wrote in message ... Honus wrote: "Al Patrick" wrote in message ... b i g s n i p NO such things as nuclear energy such that the skin can melt off a man while he yet stands, along with his eyes and tongue melting out of his head! More hyperbole. You're basically describing a massive amount of heat. Why not? They tried to say that the entire planet was buried under a massive amount of water. I'm surprised they didn't bring up anything about massive amounts of ice, too. (Besides hail stones.) Oh, wait. Why would they? They encounter all of those other phenomena in the Middle East...but ice ages, no. Hmmm. Kind of telling, don't you think? Check out: Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. Ah, I see. I made a mistake...this wasn't a one time instantaneous event, it was a -plague-. Sounds like a disease of some sort to me. As a matter of fact, I've got a translation here that flat out calls it a disease.You seem to think that it's some sort of nuclear cataclysm. When was the last time Jehovah nuked anybody, because that's what the verse says according to your view. "...the Lord will smite...." Oh, wait...I forgot. It's not what the verse says that matters, it's what you want it to say. I notice that it says the "plague" will nail ALL of the people that have fought Israel. A novel twist on the neutron bomb, perhaps? Only kills Jew haters, and leaves the rest standing? If that's the case, then I'd say that you're pretty much screwed, anti-Semite that you are. ;) Here's one for -you- to check out: Judges 1:19 King James Version "And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." Seems to me a little nuke ought to have come in handy right about then. Maybe Einstein and Oppenheimer made it through the Pearly Gates, and God's been able to improve his arsenal. Considering the fact that he was originally a tribal war god, Jehovah ain't much in the military department. They must have screwed up, and offered up a sacrificial lamb with a spot on its ass or something. You know how particular Yahweh is about that sort of thing. And my wife thinks -I'm- a picky eater. By the way: I notice that you snipped out all of those other points I made, you know, about earthquakes and such, and stuck with the most ambiguous one. But even that one flies against what you claim it means. Why are you going out of your way to help me out here? And by the way; diseases aren't caused by little demons in your body. Just thought you might like to know that. |
Honus wrote:
They must have screwed up, and offered up a sacrificial lamb with a spot on its ass or something. You know how particular Yahweh is about that sort of thing. He's not alone. That very same thing made vegetarians out of whole generations. Even the lions wouldn't touch the lambs with the spots on their asses. They just lay there with them. It's in the Book! mike |
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"Daryl Krupa" wrote in message om... snip If you wish, I can supply links to the writeups on Ballard's finds in professional journals. I can find 'em. I'm not going to let your demurral stop me, because there are really only 2 on the 'net: Ballard, R. D. Fred Hiebert, Dwight Coleman, Cheryl Ward, Jennifer Smith, Kathryn Willis, Brendan Foley, Katherine Croff, Candace Major, Francesco Torre 2001 Deepwater Archaeology of the Black Sea of the Black Sea: The 2000 Season at Sinop, Turkey American Journal of Archeology, v. 105, no. 4, pp. 607-623 http://www.ajaonline.org/archive/105...54.pdf#ballard There you will see, on p. 615, the supposed habitation site: Table 1. Radiocarbon Analysis of Samples Collected from the Surface of Site 82 The dates range from 250 to 120 BP, i.e. no earlier than the 17th Century A.D.. Also, on the previous page, "Two samples were taken of the top 5-7 cm of deposit from within Site 82 ... Both samples contained ... no ceramics, stone debitage, or diagnostic artifacts." Whatever it may be, the "habitation site" is not proof of a BSFlood. It could easily be 12,000 years old, which is about when the level of the Black Sea dropped to its lowest point. Sad to say, Ballard didn't find Noah's house. There's just one mo Further evidence of abrupt Holocene drowning of the Black Sea shelf. Ballard, R.D, Coleman, D.F., Rosenberg, G. D. 2000 Marine Geology. 170; 3-4, Pages 253-261 There used to be more, but his archaeolologist Hiebert's pages on the subject are gone, even from his own professional site, which otherwise seems not to have been updated for more than a year: http://www.museum.upenn.edu/Sinop/SinopIntro.htm Ballard's latest report on his 2000 season in the Black Sea mentions the BSFlood, but notes that it is controversial, and says nothing at all about Noah's address, Site 82. Ward, Cheryl and Robert D. Ballard 2004 Deep-water Archaeological Survey in the Black Sea: 2000 Season The International Journal of Nautical Archaeology Volume 33 Issue 1 Page 2 - April 2004 doi:10.1111/j.1095-9270.2004.00002.x "Recent archaeological survey by sidescan sonar and remotely operated vehicles (ROVs) resulted in the discovery of one of the best-preserved seagoing ships from antiquity in the anoxic waters of the Black Sea. Three shipwrecks from the 4th to 6th centuries AD, with cargoes of shipping jars from Sinop, Turkey, were found at depths of about 100 m; the fourth sits upright on the sea-bed, buried to deck level in sediment. A description of each site and identification of visible site components is followed by a discussion of directions and possible implications of future research." http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/lin....00002.x/full/ http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/ope...ssue=1&spage=2 And what is likely to be Ryan's last gasp (I hear that he has not done well in conference tournaments lately): William B.F. Ryan, Candace O. Major, Gilles Lericolais, and *Steven L. Goldstein CATASTROPHIC FLOODING OF THE BLACK SEA 2003 Annual Review of Earth and Planetary Sciences Vol. 31: 525-554 (Volume publication date May 2003) http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/...100901.141249? Abstract: http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/....100901.141249 Sorry to splash water in the frying pan. Why? It's some theists that can't accept change based on better information. I don't have that problem. ;) Hmmm ... what's that subtle taste? I remember it from long ago, but I so rarely encounter it nowadays ... HAH! That's It! It's Rationality! Daryl Krupa |
"Daryl Krupa" wrote in message m... "Honus" wrote in message news:PHSqd.12858$lv6.2417@trnddc03... "Daryl Krupa" wrote in message om... snip If you wish, I can supply links to the writeups on Ballard's finds in professional journals. I can find 'em. I'm not going to let your demurral stop me, because there are really only 2 on the 'net: Ballard, R. D. Fred Hiebert, Dwight Coleman, Cheryl Ward, Jennifer Smith, Kathryn Willis, Brendan Foley, Katherine Croff, Candace Major, Francesco Torre 2001 Deepwater Archaeology of the Black Sea of the Black Sea: The 2000 Season at Sinop, Turkey American Journal of Archeology, v. 105, no. 4, pp. 607-623 http://www.ajaonline.org/archive/105...54.pdf#ballard There you will see, on p. 615, the supposed habitation site: Table 1. Radiocarbon Analysis of Samples Collected from the Surface of Site 82 The dates range from 250 to 120 BP, i.e. no earlier than the 17th Century A.D.. Right, but they also state that all of those things were surface items recently deposited on the site. They weren't claiming that they were left there by the inhabitants. Did you catch the bit about the "concentrations of zinc and copper"? That one really caught me off guard! I'm usre that they didn't mean for it to be as funny as I found it. g Also, on the previous page, "Two samples were taken of the top 5-7 cm of deposit from within Site 82 ... Both samples contained ... no ceramics, stone debitage, or diagnostic artifacts." I'm missing your point. They didn't find anything diagnostic...that's all. Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence, as they say. And they do note that more sampling and collection of baseline data is needed. Seems to be the proper stance to me. Whatever it may be, the "habitation site" is not proof of a BSFlood. It could easily be 12,000 years old, which is about when the level of the Black Sea dropped to its lowest point. That's a possibility. It sounds like the jury is still out; I can wait for the verdict, albeit a bit impatiently. By the way, thanks again for that link. It was a neat one. I loved those pictures! I didn't expect them, and was quite pleasantly surprised to find them. But am I the only guy around that loathes pdf's? Sad to say, Ballard didn't find Noah's house. There's just one mo Further evidence of abrupt Holocene drowning of the Black Sea shelf. Ballard, R.D, Coleman, D.F., Rosenberg, G. D. 2000 Marine Geology. 170; 3-4, Pages 253-261 There used to be more, but his archaeolologist Hiebert's pages on the subject are gone, even from his own professional site, which otherwise seems not to have been updated for more than a year: http://www.museum.upenn.edu/Sinop/SinopIntro.htm Ballard's latest report on his 2000 season in the Black Sea mentions the BSFlood, but notes that it is controversial, and says nothing at all about Noah's address, Site 82. I keep getting "cannot find server" error messages when I try to navigate from that page. I'll continue with my attempts, though. That looks like interesting reading. http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/lin....00002.x/full/ http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/ope...ssue=1&spage=2 http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/...100901.141249? Abstract: http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/....100901.141249 Nuts. Those are pay sites. :( I'm not about to give them $15 regardless of how interested I am, so I'll just have to take your word for it. g Hmmm ... what's that subtle taste? I remember it from long ago, but I so rarely encounter it nowadays ... HAH! That's It! It's Rationality! It's a rare beast, more's the pity. Anyway, that's the flood that the original poster was referring to. Whether it happened or not is a different matter. My mind's made up on the Noachin one, though. ;) |
"Honus" wrote in message news:pTcrd.4219$wr6.1893@trnddc04...
"Daryl Krupa" wrote in message m... "Honus" wrote in message news:PHSqd.12858$lv6.2417@trnddc03... "Daryl Krupa" wrote in message om... snip If you wish, I can supply links to the writeups on Ballard's finds in professional journals. I can find 'em. I'm not going to let your demurral stop me, because there are really only 2 on the 'net: Ballard, R. D. Fred Hiebert, Dwight Coleman, Cheryl Ward, Jennifer Smith, Kathryn Willis, Brendan Foley, Katherine Croff, Candace Major, Francesco Torre 2001 Deepwater Archaeology of the Black Sea of the Black Sea: The 2000 Season at Sinop, Turkey American Journal of Archeology, v. 105, no. 4, pp. 607-623 http://www.ajaonline.org/archive/105...54.pdf#ballard There you will see, on p. 615, the supposed habitation site: Table 1. Radiocarbon Analysis of Samples Collected from the Surface of Site 82 The dates range from 250 to 120 BP, i.e. no earlier than the 17th Century A.D.. Right, but they also state that all of those things were surface items recently deposited on the site. They weren't claiming that they were left there by the inhabitants. Well, if you look at the National Geographic journal of the 2000 expedition, they were sure hoping that they we "We were able to see that this structure more or less is in the shape of what we would think is an ancient house. It had ceramics. It had these ground stone implements. It had the clear remains of walls made out of mud with sticks and beams as their major construction." Dispatch 10, 2000 (Sept, 9) http://www.nationalgeographic.com/bl.../ax/frame.html From a NatGeog press release: "Today Ballard, famous for finding Titanic, confirmed that his research team, sponsored in part by the National Geographic Society, has identified a wooden structure on a gently sloping shelf near the convergence of two submerged ancient river beds. "This is an incredible find," Ballard said in a telephone call to the National Geographic Society from the expedition ship Northern Horizon. "It consists of [the remains of] a single building with a hewn beam and wooden branches that formed the walls and roof of a structure—most likely a house. We have also found and photographed stone tools, possibly a chisel or an axe, and ceramic storage vessels, all untouched since the flooding of the Black Sea." The find represents "the first concrete evidence for the occupation of the Black Sea coast prior to its flooding," says expedition archaeologist Fredrik Hiebert, of the University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology. "This is a major discovery that will rewrite the history of civilizations in this key area between Europe, Asia, and the Middle East." The wooden structure is the only building sighted so far during the expedition. As the search continues, the team hopes that additional finds will suggest a settlement pattern along the ancient coastline. Using sonar profiles, Ballard's team has identified more than 50 potential search areas similar to the site of the structure." http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...0blacksea.html Did you catch the bit about the "concentrations of zinc and copper"? That one really caught me off guard! I'm usre that they didn't mean for it to be as funny as I found it. g No, I didn't; which page is it on, please? Also, on the previous page, "Two samples were taken of the top 5-7 cm of deposit from within Site 82 ... Both samples contained ... no ceramics, stone debitage, or diagnostic artifacts." I'm missing your point. They didn't find anything diagnostic...that's all. Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence, as they say. And they do note that more sampling and collection of baseline data is needed. Seems to be the proper stance to me. Yes, except that it negates the earlier claim by Hiebert: "It had ceramics. It had these ground stone implements. It had the clear remains of walls made out of mud with sticks and beams as their major construction." It's an admission that the earlier claim was inflated. Whatever it may be, the "habitation site" is not proof of a BSFlood. It could easily be 12,000 years old, which is about when the level of the Black Sea dropped to its lowest point. That's a possibility. It sounds like the jury is still out; I can wait for the verdict, albeit a bit impatiently. Look again at Ballard's and Hiebert's words, and their current opinions on the site: "Black Sea Trip Yields No Flood Conclusions .... Hiebert had hoped wood pieces from the suspected homestead would prove it was built before the flood, which would help date the event conclusively. But some of the retrieved pieces dated to after the flood, meaning no one can say exactly when the settlement had been built. Also, scientists found nothing that could have established whether the site was a human settlement. "We didn't find a farmer or his tools," Ballard said." http://www.puresupply.com/newap/D8458SGG3.html The prosecution of the case has been dropped by the claimants, due to lack of evidence. That's the only verdict you'll ever see. By the way, thanks again for that link. It was a neat one. I loved those pictures! I didn't expect them, and was quite pleasantly surprised to find them. But am I the only guy around that loathes pdf's? You take what you can get. Sad to say, Ballard didn't find Noah's house. There's just one mo Further evidence of abrupt Holocene drowning of the Black Sea shelf. Ballard, R.D, Coleman, D.F., Rosenberg, G. D. 2000 Marine Geology. 170; 3-4, Pages 253-261 There used to be more, but his archaeolologist Hiebert's pages on the subject are gone, even from his own professional site, which otherwise seems not to have been updated for more than a year: http://www.museum.upenn.edu/Sinop/SinopIntro.htm Ballard's latest report on his 2000 season in the Black Sea mentions the BSFlood, but notes that it is controversial, and says nothing at all about Noah's address, Site 82. I keep getting "cannot find server" error messages when I try to navigate from that page. I'll continue with my attempts, though. That looks like interesting reading. Actually, it's not that interesting. It doesn't have any more on "Noah's House" than the NatGeog site does. Abstract: http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/....100901.141249 Nuts. Those are pay sites. :( I'm not about to give them $15 regardless of how interested I am, so I'll just have to take your word for it. g See if you can get guest access at a university library, one that has the necessary subscriptions. That's what I do. But you should have been able to see the abstract, at least: "Abstract Decades of seabed mapping, reflection profiling, and seabed sampling reveal that throughout the past two million years the Black Sea was predominantly a freshwater lake interrupted only briefly by sal****er invasions coincident with global sea level highstand. When the exterior ocean lay below the relatively shallow sill of the Bosporus outlet, the Black Sea operated in two modes. As in the neighboring Caspian Sea, a cold climate mode corresponded with an expanded lake and a warm climate mode with a shrunken lake. Thus, during much of the cold glacial Quaternary, the expanded Black Sea's lake spilled into to the Marmara Sea and from there to the Mediterranean. However, in the warm climate mode, after receiving a vast volume of ice sheet mel****er, the shoreline of the shrinking lake contracted to the outer shelf and on a few occasions even beyond the shelf edge. If the confluence of a falling interior lake and a rising global ocean persisted to the moment when the rising ocean penetrated across the dividing sill, it would set the stage for catastrophic flooding. Although recently challenged, the flood hypothesis for the connecting event best fits the full set of observations." From the body of the article: "Criticisms of Catastrophic Flooding The hypothesis of a rapid terminal flooding of the Black Sea has been criticized (Aksu et al. 2002a, b, Görür et al. 2001). The initial objection (Görür et al. 2001) noted the presence of 8.1-ky BP peat and 7.2-ky BP wood associated with brackish fauna (Dreissena polymorpha and Monodacna caspia) in cores from the Sakarya River and adjacent shelf. Deposits with these components at a depth of 22 m conflicted with a lake downed at 7.14 ky BP as originally proposed. However, a recognition from the strontium isotopes that the salinization was initiated earlier at 8.4 ky BP and that the 7.14 ky BP only reflected a threshold in salinity resolves the apparent conflict." I.e., nothing catastrophic at 7.14 ka (or thereabouts), nothing related to a chage in Black Sea level, basically a complete capitulation to the critics of the BSFlood hypothesis. In 2003, at a conference session devoted to the topic of the BSFlood, Ryan mentions nothing about an event at 7.14 ka BP: http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2003AM/fin...ract_64109.htm And here's another explanation for the lower-than-100-m-down shoreline: http://www.geosociety.org/meetings/2003/prAvalon.htm More he http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2003AM/fin...ract_63243.htm And he http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2003AM/fin...ract_58733.htm Hmmm ... what's that subtle taste? I remember it from long ago, but I so rarely encounter it nowadays ... HAH! That's It! It's Rationality! It's a rare beast, more's the pity. Anyway, that's the flood that the original poster was referring to. Whether it happened or not is a different matter. My mind's made up on the Noachin one, though. ;) So's mine. It was flooding of the area between the lower Tigris and Euphrates rivers, following years of siltation of the river beds during a period of reduced flow and increased sediment input due to erosion in the headwaters after land clearance for agriculture there. The channels filled up with silt, and the next time that there was a really large flow of water on the two rivers at the same time, the channnels could not handle the flow, and the area between them flooded completely so that no dry land could be seen anywhere. The "whole world" was flooded. Except maybe on the occasional tell: Noah's Ark might have been a pile of dirt. Daryl Krupa |
"Daryl Krupa" wrote in message om... "Honus" wrote in message news:pTcrd.4219$wr6.1893@trnddc04... Did you catch the bit about the "concentrations of zinc and copper"? That one really caught me off guard! I'm usre that they didn't mean for it to be as funny as I found it. g No, I didn't; which page is it on, please? Page 615 of the document, page 43 of the pdf. "One of the two samples from Site (dive 29) had concentrations of zinc and copper, which are typically associated with excrement and urine." |
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