WARNING Passport on Liypn's AC converter
 

I found this warning in Passport under the Degen reviews:

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The Kaito version comes with the proper 120V AC adaptor for North
America, whereas the Degen version comes with a 220V AC adaptor suitable
for most other parts of the world. Both are safe when used "as is", or
with a Franzus or other recognized 120V-to-220V or 220V-to-120V AC
converter. However, according to unconfirmed reports, the Degen version
ordered by Americans from an unofficial eBay vendor in Hong Kong comes
with a 220V-to-120V AC converter that appears to pose a fire hazard.
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The "unofficial eBay vendor in Hong Kong" can only be Liypn, and the
fire hazard converter is the one he includes with the Degen 1102 and
sells separate for the other Degen models. I pulled out the converter I
was sent, and it is made by "HX" with a model number of "HX-21A", made
in China. If you have one of these "HX" converters, DO NOT USE IT! If
you are buying a Degen that doesn't come with the converter, DO NOT BUY
the converter that Liypn sells! Buy a converter in America, or don't use
the recharging feature on the Degen (Kaito, which comes with the proper
plug, is ok).



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"tommyknocker" wrote in message
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I found this warning in Passport under the Degen reviews:

------
The Kaito version comes with the proper 120V AC adaptor for North
America, whereas the Degen version comes with a 220V AC adaptor suitable
for most other parts of the world. Both are safe when used "as is", or
with a Franzus or other recognized 120V-to-220V or 220V-to-120V AC
converter. However, according to unconfirmed reports, the Degen version
ordered by Americans from an unofficial eBay vendor in Hong Kong comes
with a 220V-to-120V AC converter that appears to pose a fire hazard.
------

The "unofficial eBay vendor in Hong Kong" can only be Liypn, and the
fire hazard converter is the one he includes with the Degen 1102 and
sells separate for the other Degen models. I pulled out the converter I
was sent, and it is made by "HX" with a model number of "HX-21A", made
in China. If you have one of these "HX" converters, DO NOT USE IT! If
you are buying a Degen that doesn't come with the converter, DO NOT BUY
the converter that Liypn sells! Buy a converter in America, or don't use
the recharging feature on the Degen (Kaito, which comes with the proper
plug, is ok).



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I didn't buy my Degen 1103 from him. I bought mine from Brocchi. My adapter
is not a 220v to 110. It's a regular 110v adapter that says "K-Tec" on it.
It came with the radio. I got lucky :)

Lucky

= = = tommyknocker wrote in message
= = = ...
I found this warning in Passport under the Degen reviews:

------
The Kaito version comes with the proper 120V AC adaptor for North
America, whereas the Degen version comes with a 220V AC adaptor suitable
for most other parts of the world. Both are safe when used "as is", or
with a Franzus or other recognized 120V-to-220V or 220V-to-120V AC
converter. However, according to unconfirmed reports, the Degen version
ordered by Americans from an unofficial eBay vendor in Hong Kong comes
with a 220V-to-120V AC converter that appears to pose a fire hazard.
------

The "unofficial eBay vendor in Hong Kong" can only be Liypn, and the
fire hazard converter is the one he includes with the Degen 1102 and
sells separate for the other Degen models. I pulled out the converter I
was sent, and it is made by "HX" with a model number of "HX-21A", made
in China. If you have one of these "HX" converters, DO NOT USE IT! If
you are buying a Degen that doesn't come with the converter, DO NOT BUY
the converter that Liypn sells! Buy a converter in America, or don't use
the recharging feature on the Degen (Kaito, which comes with the proper
plug, is ok).



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TK,

Are we doing a "The Sky Is Falling" here ?

I have two of Liypn's 110VAC to 220VAC Converters that I use with
the 220VAC to DC Adapters for the Tecsun PL-230 and Tecsun Green
138 radios; both use Re-Chargable Batteries.

Both have been plugged in almost continously for Six Months or more.
#1 - The ACAC Converters run 'cool' to the touch.
#2 - The ACDC Adapters run 'a little warm'to the touch.
TBL = NO PROBLEM HERE [.]

However, if you were to try and use these ACAC Converters with
other Electrical/Electronic Devises that 'draw' more current than
they are Designed and Rated For:. You Could {Will} Have A Problem !

now go do the right thing ~ RHF
..
..

RHF wrote:

= = = tommyknocker wrote in message
= = = ...
I found this warning in Passport under the Degen reviews:

------
The Kaito version comes with the proper 120V AC adaptor for North
America, whereas the Degen version comes with a 220V AC adaptor suitable
for most other parts of the world. Both are safe when used "as is", or
with a Franzus or other recognized 120V-to-220V or 220V-to-120V AC
converter. However, according to unconfirmed reports, the Degen version
ordered by Americans from an unofficial eBay vendor in Hong Kong comes
with a 220V-to-120V AC converter that appears to pose a fire hazard.
------

The "unofficial eBay vendor in Hong Kong" can only be Liypn, and the
fire hazard converter is the one he includes with the Degen 1102 and
sells separate for the other Degen models. I pulled out the converter I
was sent, and it is made by "HX" with a model number of "HX-21A", made
in China. If you have one of these "HX" converters, DO NOT USE IT! If
you are buying a Degen that doesn't come with the converter, DO NOT BUY
the converter that Liypn sells! Buy a converter in America, or don't use
the recharging feature on the Degen (Kaito, which comes with the proper
plug, is ok).



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TK,

Are we doing a "The Sky Is Falling" here ?

I have two of Liypn's 110VAC to 220VAC Converters that I use with
the 220VAC to DC Adapters for the Tecsun PL-230 and Tecsun Green
138 radios; both use Re-Chargable Batteries.

Both have been plugged in almost continously for Six Months or more.
#1 - The ACAC Converters run 'cool' to the touch.
#2 - The ACDC Adapters run 'a little warm'to the touch.
TBL = NO PROBLEM HERE [.]

However, if you were to try and use these ACAC Converters with
other Electrical/Electronic Devises that 'draw' more current than
they are Designed and Rated For:. You Could {Will} Have A Problem !

now go do the right thing ~ RHF
..
..

I am only reporting what Passport says in their 2005 edition under each
listing for a Degen radio. Better safe than sorry. I've seen morons
leave curling irons plugged in all day thus burning down their houses.
Not all Chinese electronics are up to American standards. Since I've
never bothered to use the rechargeable batteries that Degen includes
with the radio, thus I have never had a chance to use the recharging
feature on the radio, I don't know how hot the HX brand converter runs.
Like I said, look this up in Passport 2005. I Don't know the reliability
of their sources, but I'd rather not take a chance. BTW, plain old
alkalines work just as well in Degen radios as the rechargeables
supplied by Degen, and even store brand batteries last a long time.



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Uh oh! Not UL listed!!?

Better check your homeowners insurance policy!

0ff_r/-\\/\\\\p wrote:

Uh oh! Not UL listed!!?

Better check your homeowners insurance policy!

Actually, it has a "CCC" logo on it, just like the Degen 1102 that came
with it. I suppose that "CCC" is the Chinese version of UL, but I doubt
that CCC's standards are up to UL's standards.



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tommyknocker wrote:
0ff_r/-\\/\\\\p wrote:


Uh oh! Not UL listed!!?

Better check your homeowners insurance policy!


Actually, it has a "CCC" logo on it, just like the Degen 1102 that came
with it. I suppose that "CCC" is the Chinese version of UL, but I doubt
that CCC's standards are up to UL's standards.


Last time I saw those letters, it was in CCCP. That fell apart too.





mike

m II wrote:

tommyknocker wrote:
0ff_r/-\\/\\\\p wrote:


Uh oh! Not UL listed!!?

Better check your homeowners insurance policy!


Actually, it has a "CCC" logo on it, just like the Degen 1102 that came
with it. I suppose that "CCC" is the Chinese version of UL, but I doubt
that CCC's standards are up to UL's standards.


Last time I saw those letters, it was in CCCP. That fell apart too.

Different language, same ****.




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0ff_r/-\\/\\\\p wrote:

Oh, is that gray market cheapo chino radio FCC type accepted? There goes the
neighborhood!

Consumer grade radio receivers aren't Type Accepted. They're either
Certified, (if they have enough digital guts to require it) or Verified.
The requirements are in Part 15. And I don't think they even have to
file a form for a Verification (it's in the fine print of Part 1 or
2 of the FCC regs), just do the lab tests and put a statement in the
instruction manual or on the equipment sticker.

Mark Zenier Washington State resident

tommyknocker wrote in :


Sony is apparently getting out of the SW radio market COMPLETELY.
They're gradually phasing out all of their SW radios. Most are
available only in Japan now, and in a year or two even those will be
discontinued. (Source: Passport to World Band Radio) As for everybody
else, they're all produced in China. Sangean? China (although they
refuse to label them as such, I don't know who they think they're
fooling). Eton/Grundig? Made by Tecsun in China, which is owned by the
Chinese Communist Party (gasp! commies!). At least the rest openly use
names like "Kchibo" so we have no doubt where they're from. It's
simply cheaper to produce everything (and I do mean EVERYTHING) in a
country where people work for 10 cents a day. I'm happy with my "gray
market cheapo chino radio" and only use it for a couple hours a day,
and then not all at once so even the weird 99 minute sleep timer
function doesn't bother me. By the way, I heard on the BBC (received
on my Degen 1102) that China is trying to control the US by buying up
all our Treasury bonds, and they're VERY happy now that the president
you all love so much has turned us into the world's greatest debtor
nation. All they have to do is stop buying our debt and Bush's
deficits will instantly put us all into the poorhouse. Why should
China care, they've got a billion people to sell to, they don't need
America.



I have a Sangean ATS-803a, Made in Taiwan, which is not communist China.
Incidentally, it seems to be of much better quality and operation than
the Degen 1102 and Tecsun PL-550 I have.

On topic with the original post, I had a 220 V - DC adapter with my
PL-550 that I bought from Lipyn which got very hot, smelled like
plastic, and did not work at all. Not the 110 - 220 convertor, but the
225 V adapter that comes with the radio. Sent it back 2 1/2 months ago,
still waiting for a replacement. That's one good reason not to buy from
overseas---the long shipping times.

Also, having seen the shoddy quality inside a Grundig S-350, and the
utter lack of protection for reversed batteries (a diode and a fuse are
all that would be needed), I will never buy a product made by Tecsun
again (and probably Degen too).

Please list the Chinese radios you own and use. I'm interested in hearing
your test results verifying your unbiased opinion of the Degen and Tecsun
models.
Thanks.


I would be happy to.

As soon as you place me on your payroll and hand over a check for my
services.

Who do you think I am your private consultant?

FYI - I have lived and worked in Asia, including China.
What village were you born in?

Sony is apparently getting out of the SW radio market COMPLETELY.

Oh really!? Please show us all the source of your great wisdom - Mr.
poobah.

They're gradually phasing out all of their SW radios. Most are available
only in Japan now, and in a year or two even those will be discontinued.

WoW! An insider to Sony's boardroom! Woo Hoo!

(Source: Passport to World Band Radio)

What page exactly?

As for everybody else, they're
all produced in China. Sangean? China (although they refuse to label
them as such, I don't know who they think they're fooling).
Eton/Grundig? Made by Tecsun in China, which is owned by the Chinese
Communist Party (gasp! commies!). At least the rest openly use names
like "Kchibo" so we have no doubt where they're from. It's simply
cheaper to produce everything (and I do mean EVERYTHING) in a country
where people work for 10 cents a day.

Everything at WalMart, where you obviously do all of your shopping.

I'm happy with my "gray market
cheapo chino radio" and only use it for a couple hours a day, and then
not all at once so even the weird 99 minute sleep timer function doesn't
bother me.

Oh, so your just a casual shortwave broadcast listener. I rest my case.

By the way, I heard on the BBC (received on my Degen 1102)
that China is trying to control the US by buying up all our Treasury
bonds, and they're VERY happy now that the president you all love so
much has turned us into the world's greatest debtor nation.

This story is old - please read your history books, Ref: Japan circa 1980's.
They can have all the paper they can possibly burn.

All they
have to do is stop buying our debt and Bush's deficits will instantly
put us all into the poorhouse.

And The Bank of China, the Yuan currency and the Communist Party will
burn in the ash heaps of history. You ignorance is deep.

Why should China care, they've got a
billion people to sell to, they don't need America.

BwaHAHAHA - yeah, a billion people with no money - bwaHAHAHA!
Here is your dream of your billion consumers in China -

The Great Mall of China -

It takes about two days to explore Beijing's new Golden Resources Shopping
Mall - the world's largest. Minnesota's "Mall of America" is 4 million
square feet. Golden Resources, built in an impressive 20 months and opened
Oct. 24, is 6 million square feet.

With 230 escalators, more than 1,000 shops, restaurant space the size of two
football fields, and a skating rink - the Art Deco mall is a testament in
glass and steel to the communist party's desire to create a stable, happy,
middle-income consumer class.
....
The observable problem with new shopping malls in China, however, is that
they have few shoppers. While Golden officials first estimated 50,000 people
a day, only a tiny fraction of that figure can be seen.

On a recent Friday afternoon, only 20 shoppers were counted in one hour.
There may currently be too many high-end malls, and not enough high-end
earners, in urban China, some experts say.
....
A deficit of shoppers has been in evidence for several years. Many Chinese
visit fancy local malls that feature state-of-the-art buying environments
with limpid pools of interior soft light and pale, polished floor tiles that
glow pleasingly. But few cash registers ring. Mostly, ordinary Chinese buy
10-cent soft cones and have fun wandering amid the goods.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1124/p01s03-woap.html

"0ff_r/-\/\\p" wrote in message ...

Please list the Chinese radios you own and use. I'm interested in hearing
your test results verifying your unbiased opinion of the Degen and Tecsun
models.
Thanks.


I would be happy to.

As soon as you place me on your payroll and hand over a check for my
services.

Who do you think I am your private consultant?

FYI - I have lived and worked in Asia, including China.
What village were you born in?




I had a feeling you'd say something of brilliance in response.

What village were you born in?




I had a feeling you'd say something of brilliance in response.


Likewise - thud

"John S." wrote in message om...
The only chinese made radio I own so far is a Magnavox D1875 analog
unit from 1994 or so. Good little single conversion receiver with
much better audio than
comparable Sony units.

I'm tempted by the Degan 1103, but I'm a bit concerned by the several
ergonomic issues mentioned in the Radiointel review.



IMO the ergonomic issues disappear after using the radio according
to the manual. Others may have different opinions, but honestly I find
no bother in pressing the volume button and turning the knob to raise
or lower volume. After setting it for a comfortable listening level I've
rarely had to change it. I was concerned about the number buttons
being in a horizontal configuration, until I got the radio. Didn't bother
me a bit. Go for it!!!

I read you tout these cheap Degens on various forums.
Do you work for Degen or Tecsun by any chance?

"Sanjaya" wrote in message
k.net...


IMO the ergonomic issues disappear after using the radio according
to the manual. Others may have different opinions, but honestly I find
no bother in pressing the volume button and turning the knob to raise
or lower volume. After setting it for a comfortable listening level I've
rarely had to change it. I was concerned about the number buttons
being in a horizontal configuration, until I got the radio. Didn't bother
me a bit. Go for it!!!