Air America lands funding, reups Franken
 

This headline made it sound like Air Amerika had gotten some type of public
funding, but it was just more money being pumped in by its investors.

Hmmm.... I thought commercial radio was supposed to be funded by
commercials. Or maybe that's only when it produces a commercially viable
product.

http://channels.netscape.com/ns/news...&w=RTR&coview=

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lsmyer wrote:
This headline made it sound like Air Amerika had gotten some type of public
funding, but it was just more money being pumped in by its investors.

Hmmm.... I thought commercial radio was supposed to be funded by
commercials. Or maybe that's only when it produces a commercially viable
product.

http://channels.netscape.com/ns/news...&w=RTR&coview=




"suposed to" ?

Huh ?

There's private companies and public companies. The owners of a
private companies get to keep all the profits and don't have to listen
to grumbling stockholders at the annual public meeting, or report lots
of stuff to the SEC. There are reasons why companes go public, but in
general they wish they didn't have to. (stock speculation is a whole
other discussion.)

It took several years for Fox Cable to need private funding.

They seem to be doing fine, about 40 stations, plus XM, Serius,
and internet streaming.


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TB,

Your repeated posts with the same message that is unrelated to the
original posting is oh so boring.


You are a perfect example of the NEO-DEM Political Cadre; who are
'preachers' of Class Warfare, Hate Speech and Fear Mongering.


You apparently see anyone who does not feel and believe as you do
as an Enemy-of-the-People.
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"lsmyer" wrote in message
...
This headline made it sound like Air Amerika had gotten some type of
public funding, but it was just more money being pumped in by its
investors.

Hmmm.... I thought commercial radio was supposed to be funded by
commercials. Or maybe that's only when it produces a commercially viable
product.


All startups are funded by investor.

"Tom Betz" wrote in message
.44...
(Al Dykes) wrote in :

It took several years for Fox Cable to [not] need private funding.

Several years, and much more than $100,000,000 of financing. For a
piddly million viewers at any given time, tops. Usually much less than
500,000.

In contrast, Air America Radio usually has more than a quarter million
listeners just on its web stream, probably 3 or 4 million on the radio at
any given time. And Air America just came out of the gate in April.

The AQH on AA on radio is less than 250,000.

DE,

To a Political Cadre like "TB": 250,000 has a "Propaganda Factor" of
Ten Times (10X) which means 2.5M; then you have to count the Doubling
Factor (2X) of those who would have listened; had they known that they
should be listening; which makes the 'new-reality-number' about 5M.

So when "TB" claims 3M to 4M divide by 10 to 20 and 300K to 200K is
a 'fair' estimate.

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"Tom Betz" wrote in message
9...
Quoth "David Eduardo" in news:p65ud.31286
:

The AQH on AA on radio is less than 250,000.

Really? That's very interesting information, thanks.

Sampled when? The most recent quarterly book?

October trend. And I gave benefit of the doubt for the non-rated markets
like Key West. The actual measured figure is probaby more like 175,000.

I'd also be very interested to know what the AQH is for the
individual programs.

Subscribers are not allowed to release this data publically.

Also, I have read elsewhere that Rush's AQH is about 3 million. Is
this correct?

That is the range. His cume is much higher.

How many if you include Sirius, XM and the WWW?

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:42:23 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"Tom Betz" wrote in message
. 69...
Quoth "David Eduardo" in news:p65ud.31286
:

The AQH on AA on radio is less than 250,000.

Really? That's very interesting information, thanks.

Sampled when? The most recent quarterly book?

October trend. And I gave benefit of the doubt for the non-rated markets
like Key West. The actual measured figure is probaby more like 175,000.

I'd also be very interested to know what the AQH is for the
individual programs.

Subscribers are not allowed to release this data publically.

Also, I have read elsewhere that Rush's AQH is about 3 million. Is
this correct?

That is the range. His cume is much higher.

David wrote:

How many if you include Sirius, XM and the WWW?

Not as many as Rush has!

dxAce
Michigan
USA



On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:42:23 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"Tom Betz" wrote in message
. 69...
Quoth "David Eduardo" in news:p65ud.31286
:

The AQH on AA on radio is less than 250,000.

Really? That's very interesting information, thanks.

Sampled when? The most recent quarterly book?

October trend. And I gave benefit of the doubt for the non-rated markets
like Key West. The actual measured figure is probaby more like 175,000.

I'd also be very interested to know what the AQH is for the
individual programs.

Subscribers are not allowed to release this data publically.

Also, I have read elsewhere that Rush's AQH is about 3 million. Is
this correct?

That is the range. His cume is much higher.

Mediocrity always attracts big numbers. What's #1 on the TV? Who
watches that ****?

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:47:15 -0500, dxAce wrote:



David wrote:

How many if you include Sirius, XM and the WWW?

Not as many as Rush has!

dxAce
Michigan
USA



On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:42:23 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"Tom Betz" wrote in message
. 69...
Quoth "David Eduardo" in news:p65ud.31286
:

The AQH on AA on radio is less than 250,000.

Really? That's very interesting information, thanks.

Sampled when? The most recent quarterly book?

October trend. And I gave benefit of the doubt for the non-rated markets
like Key West. The actual measured figure is probaby more like 175,000.

I'd also be very interested to know what the AQH is for the
individual programs.

Subscribers are not allowed to release this data publically.

Also, I have read elsewhere that Rush's AQH is about 3 million. Is
this correct?

That is the range. His cume is much higher.

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:42:23 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:

Also, I have read elsewhere that Rush's AQH is about 3 million. Is
this correct?

That is the range. His cume is much higher.

I believe the widely accepted cume for Rush is around 20 million per
week.

Mike

CSI? Who knows. I used to watch such quality but unwatched
shows like "Misfits of Science". ;-)

--Mike L.

"David" wrote in message
...
Mediocrity always attracts big numbers. What's #1 on the TV? Who
watches that ****?

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:47:15 -0500, dxAce
wrote:



David wrote:

How many if you include Sirius, XM and the WWW?

Not as many as Rush has!

dxAce
Michigan
USA



On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:42:23 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"Tom Betz" wrote in message
. 69...
Quoth "David Eduardo" in
news:p65ud.31286
:

The AQH on AA on radio is less than 250,000.

Really? That's very interesting information, thanks.

Sampled when? The most recent quarterly book?

October trend. And I gave benefit of the doubt for the non-rated
markets
like Key West. The actual measured figure is probaby more like
175,000.

I'd also be very interested to know what the AQH is for the
individual programs.

Subscribers are not allowed to release this data publically.

Also, I have read elsewhere that Rush's AQH is about 3
million. Is
this correct?

That is the range. His cume is much higher.

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:47:01 -0500, "lsmyer"
wrote:

This headline made it sound like Air Amerika had gotten some type of public
funding, but it was just more money being pumped in by its investors.

Hmmm.... I thought commercial radio was supposed to be funded by
commercials. Or maybe that's only when it produces a commercially viable
product.

Even the most viable neo-conservative product needs seed money from
investors. A new network often takes 3 years or more to turn a profit.
Sorry to disappoint you but that's just how business works.

Rich

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 00:05:01 +0000 (UTC), Tom Betz
wrote:

I believe the widely accepted cume for Rush is around 20 million
per week.

David, just so we can be comparing apples to apples, what's AAR's
combined cume?

Legally he can't tell you that . The only data ARB releases for
general consumption is overall share, not dayparts or hourlys.

To get that figure you'd have to subcribe to all markets (as major
networks and agencies do), know the stations and exact times the
show(s) air and feed them into a program like Marketron.

Rich

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 00:07:40 +0000 (UTC), Tom Betz
wrote:

It will be interesting to see how that has changed a year from now,
after the addition of DC, LA, Chicago, Cincinnati (and probably by
then, Detroit and Cleveland, at least).

If AAR is going to appear in Cleveland anytime soon, you know
something I don't. We've picked this apart elsewhere...there's just
no likely outlet for liberal talk in the market, save for distant
rimshot signals, or if Radio One brokered talk WERE/1300 flips.

Mike

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:12:10 -0500, Rich Wood
wrote:

David, just so we can be comparing apples to apples, what's AAR's
combined cume?

Legally he can't tell you that . The only data ARB releases for
general consumption is overall share, not dayparts or hourlys.

The 20 million figure for Rush has been out there for some time... I
think he's even mentioned it on the air a few times himself. And I'm
sure it's been in the trade magazines. The figure is a few years old,
actually.

As for AAR...who knows?

Mike

DAVID,

The 'laregest' NUMBER of average/common/everyday "People".

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"Tom Betz" wrote in message
. 69...
Quoth Mike in
:

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:42:23 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:

Also, I have read elsewhere that Rush's AQH is about 3
million. Is this correct?

That is the range. His cume is much higher.

I believe the widely accepted cume for Rush is around 20 million
per week.

David, just so we can be comparing apples to apples, what's AAR's
combined cume?

There is not much, as most affiliates came late in the summer book or are
coming on now. The cume is, guessing based on the markets I have full data
for, around 2 million for the whole day. WLIB has about 460,000 and the rest
are progressively (no pun intended) smaller.

How is this figure calculated. Total listens divided by 96?

Randi Rhodes is #1 in some markets in key demos, is she not?

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 06:45:11 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"Tom Betz" wrote in message
.69...
Quoth Mike in
:

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:42:23 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:

Also, I have read elsewhere that Rush's AQH is about 3
million. Is this correct?

That is the range. His cume is much higher.

I believe the widely accepted cume for Rush is around 20 million
per week.

David, just so we can be comparing apples to apples, what's AAR's
combined cume?

There is not much, as most affiliates came late in the summer book or are
coming on now. The cume is, guessing based on the markets I have full data
for, around 2 million for the whole day. WLIB has about 460,000 and the rest
are progressively (no pun intended) smaller.

David wrote:

How is this figure calculated. Total listens divided by 96?

Randi Rhodes is #1 in some markets in key demos, is she not?

Which market, 'tard boy...? The A&P?

LMAO at the stupid 'tard.

Now go tote your Sirius portable, and get the &^%$ out of rec.radio.shortwave.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

West Palm and Portland off the top of my head.

And a fine morning to you!

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 08:24:59 -0500, dxAce wrote:



David wrote:

How is this figure calculated. Total listens divided by 96?

Randi Rhodes is #1 in some markets in key demos, is she not?

Which market, 'tard boy...? The A&P?

LMAO at the stupid 'tard.

Now go tote your Sirius portable, and get the &^%$ out of rec.radio.shortwave.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"David" wrote in message
...
How is this figure calculated. Total listens divided by 96?

How is what number calculated?

Randi Rhodes is #1 in some markets in key demos, is she not?

No. In Portland, she ties in 25-54 with other talk stations, but is not #1.
No where else except her old home makret of Palm Beach is she particularly
strong. She is, for example, around 20th in San Diego.

Remember what rich Wood said... it takes much more than a year to build to
potential any talk enterprise. AA is only 7 months old.

"David" wrote in message
...
West Palm and Portland off the top of my head.

She is not #1 in anything in either market. She is #1 talk show in WPB, but
not in Portland. That is far from being
#1 overall.

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:01:02 +0000 (UTC), Tom Betz
wrote:

Salem is probably satisfied with what it makes from brokering the
time not filled with its third-tier conservative talkers.

I'll parade down Public Square in Cleveland without clothes if Salem
ever put AAR on ANY of their stations in ANY market. ;)

Salem is running WHK/1420 (still legally WRMR, for whatever reason) as
a full-on conservative talker with the usual Salem suspects as its
hosts (Bennett, Prager, Hewitt, etc.). They have apparently started
running one brokered show weeknights at 9 or 10 PM for an hour, but
it's otherwise standard conservatalk fare.

Mike

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:01:35 -0500, Mike wrote:

I'll parade down Public Square in Cleveland without clothes if Salem
ever put AAR on ANY of their stations in ANY market. ;)

While I have absolutely no problem with public nudity in appropriate
places, I think you're safe.

There are three reasons Air America is unlikely to appear on Salem
stations. One is that some are religious teaching stations. The other
is that they have their own network. Smart stations in companies with
networks don't run other networks' programming. It diminishes the
value of their product, especially if they feed a show at the same
time the competition does.

The third reason is the most important. Even secular programming on a
Salem station has to tow the political and "moral" line of the
company. At the WOR Radio Network I had several Salem stations
carrying Dr. Joy Browne (remember, a licensed clinical psychologist
who uses anatomical terms in clinical contexts). Virtually every
station dropped the show because of the occasionally sexual nature of
some of the calls.

When I look back on it, we never should have pitched the stations in
the first place, though we never expected them to be so squeamish
about issues that were important to young people asking about sex in
an age of AIDS. They'd never get the information they need on a Salem
station. It's just policy. Kids with raging hormones will be told to
abstain.

Rich

Somebody is behind Air America..someone who hates America..the American
people will not support this station with advertising so WHO are the
traiters pushing this down our throats. Sponsors have waiting times of
YEARS to get on the shows of true americans like Paul Harvey, Rush
Limbaugh, Sean Hannity. This station needs to be investigated.


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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:37:21 -0500, Rich Wood
wrote:

When I look back on it, we never should have pitched the stations in
the first place, though we never expected them to be so squeamish
about issues that were important to young people asking about sex in
an age of AIDS. They'd never get the information they need on a Salem
station. It's just policy. Kids with raging hormones will be told to
abstain.

There's a good reason Salem runs mostly its own programs on its
"conservative talk" stations (a la KRLA/L.A., and WHK/1420 here in
Ohio)...they have control over the content. They know what they're
getting...and they don't have to worry about the hosts being in line
with the corporate philosophy.

That may explain why even a very compatible show - ABC Radio's Sean
Hannity - is not carried by the aforementioned WHK/1420 in Cleveland.
Hannity is basically not cleared in Cleveland. Clear Channel has only
one talk station in the market - WTAM/1100 - which has established
local talk and sports programming and would only be able to clear him
late at night or on weekends. (They run local sports, either PBP or
talk, until at least 11 PM most nights.)

CC does clear Sean Hannity, with some success in the ratings, on
Akron's WHLO/640, but the station does not reach the majority of the
Cleveland market and makes no effort to target Cleveland.

So, you'd assume WHK would jump at the chance at clearing Hannity,
right? We still can't figure this one out...there may be clearance
issues regarding WHLO's signal in parts of the market.

Salem does carry one prominent non-Salem show on some of its stations
(Dallas, Chicago) - TRN's Michael Savage. If they're worried about
lack of control of the product, one would think they'd not even come
close to Savage...

Mike

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 20:32:10 GMT, Pastor Alabama Pete
wrote:

Somebody is behind Air America..someone who hates America..the American
people will not support this station with advertising so WHO are the
traiters pushing this down our throats.

No one's pushing anything down your throat unless you're opening wide.
No one is forcing you to listen to Air America.

Sponsors have waiting times of
YEARS to get on the shows of true americans like Paul Harvey, Rush
Limbaugh, Sean Hannity. This station needs to be investigated.

First, it's a network, not a station. Just because you disagree isn't
sufficient reason for an investigation unless Paul Cameron has some
free time on his hands and some religious fanatics to lend a hand.

It is difficult to get ad time on Paul Harvey. After all there are
only a few minutes of inventory each day.

As for the other "true" Americans, you can probably buy time on
Hannity at fire sale prices. These guys are entertainers with no
political science background and not much creativity. One note sambas.
Major advertisers don't go near these shows.

In the real sense of America I don't think you'd be considered a
"true" American with the kind of dictatorial, intolerant attitude you
exude here. I doubt you're read much history. That's strange because
history books usually have lots of pictures.

Rich

"Mike" wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 00:07:40 +0000 (UTC), Tom Betz
wrote:

It will be interesting to see how that has changed a year from now,
after the addition of DC, LA, Chicago, Cincinnati (and probably by
then, Detroit and Cleveland, at least).

If AAR is going to appear in Cleveland anytime soon, you know
something I don't. We've picked this apart elsewhere...there's just
no likely outlet for liberal talk in the market, save for distant
rimshot signals, or if Radio One brokered talk WERE/1300 flips.

Honestly, I'll be surprised if it flies here in Cincy,
even if Jerry Springer is going to do a show.

--Mike L.

The have Orrick and GM and thag Greg Sinamone diet stuff and pretty
much the same ads as the Hate Radio programs.

The people on Air America not only do not hate the United States, they
actually understand the Constitution. The people you list, except for
Paul Harvey, are agents of the people we revolted against in 1775.
Their vision of America is pre-Teddy Roosevelt Gilded Age.

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 20:32:10 GMT, Alabama Pete
wrote:

Somebody is behind Air America..someone who hates America..the American
people will not support this station with advertising so WHO are the
traiters pushing this down our throats. Sponsors have waiting times of
YEARS to get on the shows of true americans like Paul Harvey, Rush
Limbaugh, Sean Hannity. This station needs to be investigated.

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 20:54:46 -0500, "Michael Lawson"
wrote:

Honestly, I'll be surprised if it flies here in Cincy,
even if Jerry Springer is going to do a show.

If they promote it, and Springer catches on, it may do well.

But Cincy is a much more conservative area than Cleveland or most of
Northeast Ohio, and the talk market is also somewhat more crowded.
Most of that talk radio crowding in Cincy is...well...due to Clear
Channel itself, as the station soon to be known as WCKY/1530 will be
their third talk station, and fourth non-music AM (counting sports on
AM 1360, which presumably will take the WSAI calls that 1530 will
reportedly give up).

Mike