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ICOM Lawsuit
Some may find this to be of interest:
ICOM LAWSUIT http://www.co.medina.oh.us/judgecoll...dicts_2004.htm 4-5-04 ICOM of America, Inc. v. Rapid 2 Way Case no. 03 CIV 0078 In this case, the Plaintiff, ICOM America, claimed the Defendant owed $114,000 to Plaintiff on an account for products sold and shipped to Defendant. Plaintiff sold Defendant hundreds of hand-held radios and accessories. Defendant, Rapid 2 Way, purchased these radios for rent and sale in its business. Defendant acknowledged that it owed money to Plaintiff on account, however Defendant claimed the Plaintiff supplied it with substandard and defective radios causing damage to Defendant’s business. Defendant claimed Plaintiff committed fraud in its representations regarding the radios. The Plaintiff was represented by Kenneth Baker, Esq., and Michael Slodov, Esq., of Cleveland, Ohio. The Defendant was represented by Bruce Hall, Esq., of Medina, Ohio and Gregory Beck, Esq., of North Canton, Ohio. Verdict: After a thirteen day trial, the jury awarded the Plaintiff $92,915.95 on its claim on the account and attorney fees. The jury awarded the Defendant $579,131.83 on its claim of breach of contract and breach of warranty. The jury awarded the Defendant $774,321.50 on its claim of fraud. The jury further awarded $1,045,837 in punitive damages along with attorney fees (via Robert Frost, Dec 17, DXLD) ================================================ dxAce Michigan USA |
DX ACE,
So will I be getting a Check to Pay for the Kiwa Mods to my Icom IC-R75 to make it almost as good as a Drake R8B at half the price ? $ ? $ ? $ ? $ ? $ ? Before You Answer . . . { Holding My Breath } . . . .. DxAce - Merry Christmas and Happy New Year :o) .. God's Blessings Be With You; Your Family, Friends and Loved Ones - amen, Amen. and AMEN ! ~ rhf .. .. |
RHF wrote: DX ACE, So will I be getting a Check to Pay for the Kiwa Mods to my Icom IC-R75 to make it almost as good as a Drake R8B at half the price ? $ ? $ ? $ ? $ ? $ ? Before You Answer . . . { Holding My Breath } . . . . DxAce - Merry Christmas and Happy New Year :o) . God's Blessings Be With You; Your Family, Friends and Loved Ones - amen, Amen. and AMEN ! ~ rhf You did say almost... Have a very Merry Christmas. dxAce Michigan USA |
DX Ace,
See - I did not have to hold my 'breath' that long :o) .. Yes - I Did Say 'almost' .. mc&hny ~ RHF .. .. |
Hello,
Having "played" with a friend's heavily modified ICOM IC-R75, I believe this radio is also a "defective" design and is, in fact, a fraud (my opinion). It appears, at least to me, to be a "bottomless modification pit" costing enough money (and aggravation and disappointment) to make it well worthwhile to just forget about this "Japanese wonder" and buy the Grundig Satellit 800 which costs $449.95 or less. No expensive or inconvenient modifications are necessary for the Grundig! And, it gives at least 95% of the performance of a Drake R8B or AOR AR7030 Plus at only one-third the price. My friend likes his radio; however, I've commented to him that if he likes it so much, why does he have to keep modifying it? His radio has cost him, thus far, over $1000. (And, he's not a "nut." His concerns with the performance of his radio are well-founded.) For that kind of money, you could buy a Drake or an AOR. If ICOM were truly a class act, again in my opinion, they would upgrade the 'R75 as its shortcomings are well-known by now, and they should even offer to arrange "fixes" for those radios already in service. Best, Joe |
Joe Analssandrini wrote: Hello, Having "played" with a friend's heavily modified ICOM IC-R75, I believe this radio is also a "defective" design and is, in fact, a fraud (my opinion). It appears, at least to me, to be a "bottomless modification pit" costing enough money (and aggravation and disappointment) to make it well worthwhile to just forget about this "Japanese wonder" and buy the Grundig Satellit 800 which costs $449.95 or less. No expensive or inconvenient modifications are necessary for the Grundig! And, it gives at least 95% of the performance of a Drake R8B or AOR AR7030 Plus at only one-third the price. My friend likes his radio; however, I've commented to him that if he likes it so much, why does he have to keep modifying it? His radio has cost him, thus far, over $1000. (And, he's not a "nut." His concerns with the performance of his radio are well-founded.) For that kind of money, you could buy a Drake or an AOR. If ICOM were truly a class act, again in my opinion, they would upgrade the 'R75 as its shortcomings are well-known by now, and they should even offer to arrange "fixes" for those radios already in service. Best, Joe Do I detect the beginnings of a class action lawsuit? :-) dxAce Michigan USA |
Not by me! I don't own one! :-) But if I did ...
Best, Joe |
"dxAce" wrote in message ... Joe Analssandrini wrote: Hello, Having "played" with a friend's heavily modified ICOM IC-R75, I believe this radio is also a "defective" design and is, in fact, a fraud (my opinion). It appears, at least to me, to be a "bottomless modification pit" costing enough money (and aggravation and disappointment) to make it well worthwhile to just forget about this "Japanese wonder" and buy the Grundig Satellit 800 which costs $449.95 or less. No expensive or inconvenient modifications are necessary for the Grundig! And, it gives at least 95% of the performance of a Drake R8B or AOR AR7030 Plus at only one-third the price. My friend likes his radio; however, I've commented to him that if he likes it so much, why does he have to keep modifying it? His radio has cost him, thus far, over $1000. (And, he's not a "nut." His concerns with the performance of his radio are well-founded.) For that kind of money, you could buy a Drake or an AOR. If ICOM were truly a class act, again in my opinion, they would upgrade the 'R75 as its shortcomings are well-known by now, and they should even offer to arrange "fixes" for those radios already in service. Best, Joe Do I detect the beginnings of a class action lawsuit? Why not just a petition with a lot of names? With all the R75 and R5 owners? Could Icom ignore that? :-) dxAce Michigan USA |
"dxAce" wrote in message ... Some may find this to be of interest: Icom radios will cost more now, and their still junk. Look inside an Icom and it looks like the inside of a Chinese-made $39.95 Radio Shack DVD player. ...and let's not forget the great Icom fiasco of some years ago (1980's) when Icom deliberately made microprocessor controlled radios for both ham and swl which had their internal CPU operating system written into volatile DRAM as a cost cutting measure. (!) Your radio's lithium cell aged and went bad or got bumped lose in the mobile and your radio then promptly D I E D. You could have it "repaired" of course by sending it off to Icom with a check for $65.00 to have it "re-programmed". In ham radio circles this became know as the "Icom Time Bomb Rig", and their sales of course promptly dropped thru the floor faster than a lead-filled baloon falling into a interstellar black hole. They may have fixed this gaffe long ago, but Icom still builds radios much like Pakesheesh Patel's family, what owns the Subway Sandwich shop, builds their hoagies....slapped together with no condiments (extra charge, much like Icom accessories) and dry. Buy a Yaesu instead. A much more advanced radio all around. |
"DeWayne" wrote:
Do I detect the beginnings of a class action lawsuit? Why not just a petition with a lot of names? With all the R75 and R5 owners? Could Icom ignore that? Y'know, when ICOM does well, they usually do VERY well. When they do poorly, they produce the R1 and the R75. Unfortunately, one thing they always do is handle criticism *very* poorly. Especially ICOM America. I wonder if Mr. Inoue (sp!) knows what is being done in his name over here? -- Eric F. Richards, "Nature abhors a vacuum tube." -- J. R. Pierce, Bell Labs, c. 1940 |
Eric F. Richards wrote:
"DeWayne" wrote: Do I detect the beginnings of a class action lawsuit? Why not just a petition with a lot of names? With all the R75 and R5 owners? Could Icom ignore that? Y'know, when ICOM does well, they usually do VERY well. When they do poorly, they produce the R1 and the R75. Unfortunately, one thing they always do is handle criticism *very* poorly. Especially ICOM America. I wonder if Mr. Inoue (sp!) knows what is being done in his name over here? What am I hearing? According to most R75 owners, it's the best receiver on the planet and with only a few hundred small Kiwa mods, is superior to the R-390. Is this not true? -- Brian Denley http://home.comcast.net/~b.denley/index.html |
In this court case the plaintiff won for "...hundreds of
handheld radios...". R-75 is not one of them,unless someone has a 'modification' similar to the ancient headhunting custom of shrinking human heads... |
Arthur Pozner ) writes: In this court case the plaintiff won for "...hundreds of handheld radios...". R-75 is not one of them,unless someone has a 'modification' similar to the ancient headhunting custom of shrinking human heads... And of course, ICOM wasn't taken to court. They took a company to court for not paying for radios it bought from ICOM. I still don't see what purpose the original poster had in posting this here, and anybody who fell into the trap of "someone won against ICOM, we can bring suit too" didn't pay attention themselves. Michael |
"Brian Denley" wrote:
Eric F. Richards wrote: "DeWayne" wrote: Do I detect the beginnings of a class action lawsuit? Why not just a petition with a lot of names? With all the R75 and R5 owners? Could Icom ignore that? Y'know, when ICOM does well, they usually do VERY well. When they do poorly, they produce the R1 and the R75. Unfortunately, one thing they always do is handle criticism *very* poorly. Especially ICOM America. I wonder if Mr. Inoue (sp!) knows what is being done in his name over here? What am I hearing? According to most R75 owners, it's the best receiver on the planet and with only a few hundred small Kiwa mods, is superior to the R-390. Is this not true? Heh. Cast "summon phil spell" roll... I *was* an R75 owner. Great value? Yep. Very good performer? You bet. Without terrible weaknesses? Nope. That said, I own several R8500s and think they are terribly underrated by the radio community. I certainly prefer them to the '75. -- Eric F. Richards, "Nature abhors a vacuum tube." -- J. R. Pierce, Bell Labs, c. 1940 |
"Toidie Loidie" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message ... Some may find this to be of interest: Icom radios will cost more now, and their still junk. Look inside an Icom and it looks like the inside of a Chinese-made $39.95 Radio Shack DVD player. Funny... if I look inside my '8500 I see a cast aluminum, compartmentalized, shielded chassis. Much as I like my Yaesu gear, their last great receiver was the FRG-100. But, whatever. If you want a religious war, find someone else. I just like gear that works. -- Eric F. Richards, "Nature abhors a vacuum tube." -- J. R. Pierce, Bell Labs, c. 1940 |
Toidie Loidie wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message ... Some may find this to be of interest: Icom radios will cost more now, and their still junk. Look inside an Icom and it looks like the inside of a Chinese-made $39.95 Radio Shack DVD player. ...and let's not forget the great Icom fiasco of some years ago (1980's) when Icom deliberately made microprocessor controlled radios for both ham and swl which had their internal CPU operating system written into volatile DRAM as a cost cutting measure. (!) Your radio's lithium cell aged and went bad or got bumped lose in the mobile and your radio then promptly D I E D. You could have it "repaired" of course by sending it off to Icom with a check for $65.00 to have it "re-programmed". In ham radio circles this became know as the "Icom Time Bomb Rig", and their sales of course promptly dropped thru the floor faster than a lead-filled baloon falling into a interstellar black hole. They may have fixed this gaffe long ago, but Icom still builds radios much like Pakesheesh Patel's family, what owns the Subway Sandwich shop, builds their hoagies....slapped together with no condiments (extra charge, much like Icom accessories) and dry. Buy a Yaesu instead. A much more advanced radio all around. I have an FRG-8800, and my only complaint is that power surges or fluctuations (such as can happen during a power outage) can scramble the microprocessors. I remedy this by keeping it plugged into a surge protector that I turn off when the radio is not in use. Other than that, it is wonderful for 20 year old technology. |
Eric F. Richards wrote:
Funny... if I look inside my '8500 I see a cast aluminum, compartmentalized, shielded chassis. Much as I like my Yaesu gear, their last great receiver was the FRG-100. I wanted one. They were probably way underrated. I'd like to find a good comparison between it, FRG 7 and FRG 9600 (Digital displays notwithstanding). There was some old stock last year at one of hte Canadian dealers, but I don't know if they still have any. Price was around 8 to 900 dollars. mike |
"Eric F. Richards" wrote:
"Brian Denley" wrote: What am I hearing? According to most R75 owners, it's the best receiver on the planet and with only a few hundred small Kiwa mods, is superior to the R-390. Is this not true? Heh. Cast "summon phil spell" roll... Please, I beg you, no! I'd rather have Kenneth back. :-) |
Only in America!! Chris "dxAce" wrote in message ... Some may find this to be of interest: ICOM LAWSUIT http://www.co.medina.oh.us/judgecoll...dicts_2004.htm 4-5-04 ICOM of America, Inc. v. Rapid 2 Way Case no. 03 CIV 0078 In this case, the Plaintiff, ICOM America, claimed the Defendant owed $114,000 to Plaintiff on an account for products sold and shipped to Defendant. Plaintiff sold Defendant hundreds of hand-held radios and accessories. Defendant, Rapid 2 Way, purchased these radios for rent and sale in its business. Defendant acknowledged that it owed money to Plaintiff on account, however Defendant claimed the Plaintiff supplied it with substandard and defective radios causing damage to Defendant's business. Defendant claimed Plaintiff committed fraud in its representations regarding the radios. The Plaintiff was represented by Kenneth Baker, Esq., and Michael Slodov, Esq., of Cleveland, Ohio. The Defendant was represented by Bruce Hall, Esq., of Medina, Ohio and Gregory Beck, Esq., of North Canton, Ohio. Verdict: After a thirteen day trial, the jury awarded the Plaintiff $92,915.95 on its claim on the account and attorney fees. The jury awarded the Defendant $579,131.83 on its claim of breach of contract and breach of warranty. The jury awarded the Defendant $774,321.50 on its claim of fraud. The jury further awarded $1,045,837 in punitive damages along with attorney fees (via Robert Frost, Dec 17, DXLD) ================================================ dxAce Michigan USA |
Michael Black wrote: Arthur Pozner ) writes: In this court case the plaintiff won for "...hundreds of handheld radios...". R-75 is not one of them,unless someone has a 'modification' similar to the ancient headhunting custom of shrinking human heads... And of course, ICOM wasn't taken to court. They took a company to court for not paying for radios it bought from ICOM. I still don't see what purpose the original poster had in posting this here, and anybody who fell into the trap of "someone won against ICOM, we can bring suit too" didn't pay attention themselves. The purpose was that some may find it of interest. Can't you read? dxAce Michigan USA |
I own and use a model PW 8R15 Brickwall surge filter.
www.brickwall.com www.pricewheeler.com They are made in good old U.S.A.and they carry a lifetime gurrantee. cuhulin |
The Yaesu's didn't even have RF gain. Pathetic!
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"running dogg" wrote I have an FRG-8800, and my only complaint is that power surges or fluctuations (such as can happen during a power outage) can scramble the microprocessors. I remedy this by keeping it plugged into a surge protector that I turn off when the radio is not in use. Other than that, it is wonderful for 20 year old technology. You ought to think about plugging it into a small UPS then, as surge protection normally clamps at 330v and provide no power conditioning (voltage regulation) whatsoever. Jack |
m II wrote:
Eric F. Richards wrote: Funny... if I look inside my '8500 I see a cast aluminum, compartmentalized, shielded chassis. Much as I like my Yaesu gear, their last great receiver was the FRG-100. I wanted one. They were probably way underrated. I'd like to find a good comparison between it, FRG 7 and FRG 9600 I had a '-100 and a '-7. Both nice radios. The '100 suffered from chugging and other synthesizer noise, but behaved well, otherwise. It was underrated, and the need for a keypad was overstated -- it had a number of aids to allow you to get to any arbitrary place on the spectrum in a hurry without direct frequency entry. The '7 was built like a tank. Just a different generation of design and construction standards. A fun radio to operate, but in these days of 1 Hz resolution probably not considered "practical." I would have killed for one back in its day, though. -- Eric F. Richards, "Nature abhors a vacuum tube." -- J. R. Pierce, Bell Labs, c. 1940 |
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I personally would choose a stock R75 over an 800 in a heartbeat, not
because I'm an R75 fan but because I'm not so impressed with the 800 (for reasons that can obviously be subjective and idiosyncratic). While I can't assign exact percentages to overall performance, I'm surprised by your comparison of the 800's performance with that of the R8B's. I think there's a big, immediately noticeable difference in their performance. I've sold a couple of 800s simply because I didn't like them. I'd never sell my Drake or even my Sony SW77. But maybe I just have unusual preferences. There are lots of folks whose opinions I respect who love the 800. Variety is the spice of life, I guess. Steve |
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[Heh. Cast "summon phil spell" roll...]
.. um jiu jiu - phil, .. Um Jiu Jiu - Phil. .. UM JIU JIU - PHIL ! .. uM wAKA wIE :o) .. becareful for what you wish for ~ RHF .. .. |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... wrote: I personally would choose a stock R75 over an 800 in a heartbeat, not because I'm an R75 fan but because I'm not so impressed with the 800 (for reasons that can obviously be subjective and idiosyncratic). While I can't assign exact percentages to overall performance, I'm surprised by your comparison of the 800's performance with that of the R8B's. I think there's a big, immediately noticeable difference in their performance. I've sold a couple of 800s simply because I didn't like them. I'd never sell my Drake or even my Sony SW77. But maybe I just have unusual preferences. There are lots of folks whose opinions I respect who love the 800. Variety is the spice of life, I guess. If I had the hard choice of an '800 and an R75 I too would choose the R75. Not I. Oh, wait. I did just that (choose an 800 over an R75) 4 years ago. Considering that my inclinations currently run toward program listening rather than DXing, that's not a great surprise. For me, the next thing to think about in the next year or two is: R75 vs. R8 vs. R8B vs. HQ-180. Okay, I really would like a boat anchor regardless, so maybe it's just: R75 vs. R71A vs. R8 vs. R8B. --Mike L. |
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