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dxAce December 30th 04 06:18 PM

Earthquake/Tsunami Death Toll
 
Drudge now has a figure of 400,000 up due to reports from Indonesia, based upon
aerial surveillance.

The magnitude of this catastrophe is beyond comprehension.

Whatever your belief, think of those who have perished, and those who survive to
cope with the enormity of the situation.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


Brian Hill December 30th 04 06:29 PM


"dxAce" wrote in message
...
Drudge now has a figure of 400,000 up due to reports from Indonesia, based

upon
aerial surveillance.

The magnitude of this catastrophe is beyond comprehension.

Whatever your belief, think of those who have perished, and those who

survive to
cope with the enormity of the situation.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


Wow! 400,000 is the death toll?

B.H.



dxAce December 30th 04 06:54 PM



Brian Hill wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...
Drudge now has a figure of 400,000 up due to reports from Indonesia, based

upon
aerial surveillance.

The magnitude of this catastrophe is beyond comprehension.

Whatever your belief, think of those who have perished, and those who

survive to
cope with the enormity of the situation.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


Wow! 400,000 is the death toll?


He has now changed it to a claim of 400,000 dead in Indonesia alone.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



Invader3K December 30th 04 07:03 PM

It really is truly stunning and horrific. I wonder if people in this
part of the world really grasp what has happened in Asia. We all make
such a big deal out of 9/11 to this day, which was a terrible event,
but it pales to this. Hopefully the rest of the world can come together
and help these people.


Brian Hill December 30th 04 07:10 PM


"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Brian Hill wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...
Drudge now has a figure of 400,000 up due to reports from Indonesia,

based
upon
aerial surveillance.

The magnitude of this catastrophe is beyond comprehension.

Whatever your belief, think of those who have perished, and those who

survive to
cope with the enormity of the situation.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


Wow! 400,000 is the death toll?


He has now changed it to a claim of 400,000 dead in Indonesia alone.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



Unbelievable! Those poor people. :(

B.H.



[email protected] December 30th 04 07:47 PM

klintoon did NOTHING! about the terrorist! G.W.Bush IS! doing something
about that and I Approve! I never forget what happened on September
11,2001.
cuhulin


[email protected] December 30th 04 07:50 PM

www.stevequayle.com Photo of the Day.
cuhulin


Brian Hill December 30th 04 08:16 PM


wrote in message
...
klintoon did NOTHING! about the terrorist! G.W.Bush IS! doing something
about that and I Approve! I never forget what happened on September
11,2001.
cuhulin


I always find it funny that the liberals refuse to listen to our veterans
and the fact that the majority of our vets support the war. All the vets I
know support the war. I trust their opinion over any one else's when it
comes to our troops.

B.H.



uncle arnie December 30th 04 11:09 PM

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:55, dxAce posted to
rec.radio.shortwave: %MM


It is plain that you have no problem using an epithet - "tard" [retard]
- a
term formerly used to describe people with lower than average
intellectual abilities - in your name calling, much as other words have
been used in the
past, more or less accepted, to describe racial minorities. Are you also
comfortable using the word "******"? How about "Paki", "chink" or
"wetback". I think you might be given your general tendency to insult.
Along with insulting other nationalities, are you also racist? Would you
perhaps enjoy lynching people you disagree with, especially those from
other countries? Maybe you don't know anyone who has low ability or has
a
family member who does. Perhaps you are very young, uneducated, or just
boorish.


Nope, I just like using the term 'tard, 'tard boy.

Formerly used? Heck no! I'm using it currently to describe you.

Pay attention.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Boycott CanaDuh.


Plonk, permanently.

[email protected] December 30th 04 11:14 PM

American's are retarded,you say!!! HUH!!!,,, not on your life! Then how
come America is the most Powerfull and Smartest and most Richest Country
on Earth if we American's are "retarded"??? You need to wake up! and
smell the coffee!
cuhulin


dxAce December 30th 04 11:19 PM



uncle arnie wrote:

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:55, dxAce posted to
rec.radio.shortwave: %MM


It is plain that you have no problem using an epithet - "tard" [retard]
- a
term formerly used to describe people with lower than average
intellectual abilities - in your name calling, much as other words have
been used in the
past, more or less accepted, to describe racial minorities. Are you also
comfortable using the word "******"? How about "Paki", "chink" or
"wetback". I think you might be given your general tendency to insult.
Along with insulting other nationalities, are you also racist? Would you
perhaps enjoy lynching people you disagree with, especially those from
other countries? Maybe you don't know anyone who has low ability or has
a
family member who does. Perhaps you are very young, uneducated, or just
boorish.


Nope, I just like using the term 'tard, 'tard boy.

Formerly used? Heck no! I'm using it currently to describe you.

Pay attention.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Boycott CanaDuh.


Plonk, permanently.


Oh, so it was only temporary, just minutes ago?

'Duh'

Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

dxAce
Michigan
UA



running dogg December 30th 04 11:27 PM

dxAce wrote:

Drudge now has a figure of 400,000 up due to reports from Indonesia, based upon
aerial surveillance.

The magnitude of this catastrophe is beyond comprehension.


Last I heard (from my local TV news) was 115,000. I haven't had a chance
to check Radio Australia or the BBC yet. If Drudge is right (and this is
one of the times where he very well could be) it would be one of the
worst disasters in the recorded history of mankind. The atomic bombing
of Hiroshima killed 250,000. If the 400,000 toll is doubled by massive
epidemics, it would be in the range of the Tangshan earthquake in 1976,
which at 800,000 dead was the deadliest natural disaster in human
history.


Whatever your belief, think of those who have perished, and those who survive to
cope with the enormity of the situation.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



uncle arnie December 30th 04 11:29 PM

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:55, Brian Hill posted to
rec.radio.shortwave: %MM


Your an assuming fool.

B.H.


And you can't spell. It's "you're".

dxAce December 30th 04 11:44 PM



uncle arnie wrote:

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:55, Brian Hill posted to
rec.radio.shortwave: %MM


Your an assuming fool.

B.H.


And you can't spell. It's "you're".


OK, so you're an assuming fool, better?

dxAce
Michigan
USA



Brian Hill December 30th 04 11:54 PM


"dxAce" wrote in message
...


uncle arnie wrote:

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:55, Brian Hill posted to
rec.radio.shortwave: %MM


Your an assuming fool.

B.H.


And you can't spell. It's "you're".


OK, so you're an assuming fool, better?

dxAce
Michigan
USA



Thanks Steve.



[email protected] December 31st 04 12:42 AM

Little Boy and Fat Man Atomic Bomb's saved many more lives than
otherwise would have been lost due to us Firebombing Japan.Plus,Little
Boy and Fat Man Atomic Bomb's helped us shorten the War,World War Two.
cuhulin


Al Patrick December 31st 04 01:58 AM

Many have estimated that whatever the toll from the tsunami roughly an
equal amount may die from disease. Are we headed toward one million for
a toll of it all? We need to keep the survivors - and the volunteers
and other workers - in our prayers.

Al

=============

dxAce wrote:

Drudge now has a figure of 400,000 up due to reports from Indonesia, based upon
aerial surveillance.

The magnitude of this catastrophe is beyond comprehension.

Whatever your belief, think of those who have perished, and those who survive to
cope with the enormity of the situation.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


Al Patrick December 31st 04 02:06 AM

We ain't seen nothing yet, compared to the BIG one!

Revelation 16:18, KJV "And there were voices, and thunders, and
lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men
were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great."

Read verse 21 - Amplified Bible, "21 And great (excessively
oppressive) hailstones, as heavy as a talent [between fifty and sixty
pounds], of immense size, fell from the sky on the people; and men
blasphemed God for the plague of the hail, so very great was [the
torture] of that plague. [Exod. 9:23.]"

Al

=============


Invader3K wrote:

It really is truly stunning and horrific. I wonder if people in this
part of the world really grasp what has happened in Asia. We all make
such a big deal out of 9/11 to this day, which was a terrible event,
but it pales to this. Hopefully the rest of the world can come together
and help these people.


Brian Hill December 31st 04 02:13 AM


"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...
We ain't seen nothing yet, compared to the BIG one!

Revelation 16:18, KJV "And there were voices, and thunders, and
lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men
were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great."

Read verse 21 - Amplified Bible, "21 ?And great (excessively
oppressive) hailstones, as heavy as a talent [between fifty and sixty
pounds], of immense size, fell from the sky on the people; and men
blasphemed God for the plague of the hail, so very great was [the
torture] of that plague. ?[Exod. 9:23.]"

Al


Whens that one gonna happen Al?

B.H.



Al Patrick December 31st 04 02:18 AM

I created a tinyurl that will take one directly to the photo instead of
having to look for it.

Question: Do you refer to the many dead bodies in the lower photo or
the smile on that guy's face in the upper photo? ;-)

Al

==============

wrote:

www.stevequayle.com Photo of the Day.
cuhulin


Al Patrick December 31st 04 02:36 AM

I saw something a couple of days ago on a local news channel that said,
"according to satellite photos . . . ." I think they actually showed
shots of it as it was happening. This made me think that HAARP just
*may* have had something to do with it. They knew exactly where to have
the satellite pointed / focused!

Am I wrong (yes, I asked for it then! ;-) ) in this assumption or do
they have so many satellites with so many cameras that most of the earth
can be covered at any one time? I also realize it took hours (6 to 12)
for it to reach some areas and they had time to focus on those areas
based on the direction it was heading.

Thanks,

Al

================

running dogg wrote:

Last I heard (from my local TV news) was 115,000. I haven't had a chance
to check Radio Australia or the BBC yet. If Drudge is right (and this is
one of the times where he very well could be) it would be one of the
worst disasters in the recorded history of mankind. The atomic bombing
of Hiroshima killed 250,000. If the 400,000 toll is doubled by massive
epidemics, it would be in the range of the Tangshan earthquake in 1976,
which at 800,000 dead was the deadliest natural disaster in human
history.


Al Patrick December 31st 04 02:42 AM

Brian Hill wrote:

"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...

We ain't seen nothing yet, compared to the BIG one!

Revelation 16:18, KJV "And there were voices, and thunders, and
lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men
were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great."

Read verse 21 - Amplified Bible, "21 ?And great (excessively
oppressive) hailstones, as heavy as a talent [between fifty and sixty
pounds], of immense size, fell from the sky on the people; and men
blasphemed God for the plague of the hail, so very great was [the
torture] of that plague. ?[Exod. 9:23.]"

Al



Whens that one gonna happen Al?

B.H.


Not tonight -- I hope! ;-)

Frank White December 31st 04 04:09 AM

In article , says...

Many have estimated that whatever the toll from the tsunami roughly an
equal amount may die from disease. Are we headed toward one million for
a toll of it all? We need to keep the survivors - and the volunteers
and other workers - in our prayers.

Al


Hear hear.

Reports are that the lack of clean water and sanitation
facilities are starting to spread dysentary and sickness
among the survivors, already. In a week or two, things
may be even more horrific than now.

:(

FW


running dogg December 31st 04 04:29 AM

Frank White wrote:

In article , says...

Many have estimated that whatever the toll from the tsunami roughly an
equal amount may die from disease. Are we headed toward one million for
a toll of it all? We need to keep the survivors - and the volunteers
and other workers - in our prayers.

Al


Hear hear.

Reports are that the lack of clean water and sanitation
facilities are starting to spread dysentary and sickness
among the survivors, already. In a week or two, things
may be even more horrific than now.

:(

FW


I've heard that five million people are imperiled. And that's probably a
low number. And these are people whose immune systems probably weren't
in top shape to begin with. This has the potential to be the worst
natural disaster in terms of deaths in human history, exempting plagues.
Before the signal was wiped out by local QRM, I heard the BBC say last
night (yesterday morning world time) that only a trickle of aid has
gotten to only a small portion of survivors. Most of the survivors are
on their own. Some haven't eaten since the tsunami hit, which weakens
their immune systems even more than they already were. I expect water
borne sicknesses to quickly kill many thousands, perhaps even a million,
even two million.


Telamon December 31st 04 05:07 AM

In article , running dogg wrote:

Frank White wrote:

In article ,
says...

Many have estimated that whatever the toll from the tsunami roughly an
equal amount may die from disease. Are we headed toward one million for
a toll of it all? We need to keep the survivors - and the volunteers
and other workers - in our prayers.

Al


Hear hear.

Reports are that the lack of clean water and sanitation
facilities are starting to spread dysentary and sickness
among the survivors, already. In a week or two, things
may be even more horrific than now.

:(

FW


I've heard that five million people are imperiled. And that's probably a
low number. And these are people whose immune systems probably weren't
in top shape to begin with. This has the potential to be the worst
natural disaster in terms of deaths in human history, exempting plagues.
Before the signal was wiped out by local QRM, I heard the BBC say last
night (yesterday morning world time) that only a trickle of aid has
gotten to only a small portion of survivors. Most of the survivors are
on their own. Some haven't eaten since the tsunami hit, which weakens
their immune systems even more than they already were. I expect water
borne sicknesses to quickly kill many thousands, perhaps even a million,
even two million.


People can easily go a few weeks without food depending on how fat they
are but most can only go a few days without drinking water depending on
how hot it is and whether they are exerting themselves.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Al Patrick December 31st 04 04:52 PM

running dogg wrote:

I've heard that five million people are imperiled. And that's probably a
low number. And these are people whose immune systems probably weren't
in top shape to begin with. This has the potential to be the worst
natural disaster in terms of deaths in human history, exempting plagues.
Before the signal was wiped out by local QRM, I heard the BBC say last
night (yesterday morning world time) that only a trickle of aid has
gotten to only a small portion of survivors. Most of the survivors are
on their own. Some haven't eaten since the tsunami hit, which weakens
their immune systems even more than they already were. I expect water
borne sicknesses to quickly kill many thousands, perhaps even a million,
even two million.


There may be a lesson to be learned here. It *could* happen here
(wherever here is to any reader of this NG) and we should do what we can
while we can to "be prepared" as the Boy Scouts would say.

I realize it wouldn't do much good to have had a year's supply of stored
food and water, along with medical supplies, etc., etc., etc., if they
were near the water's edge when a Tsunami / Tidal Wave hit. However,
not all of us live on the brink of a 7000 mile pond or at sea level.
Even then and there some buried supplies might have survived. Think
about it!

There WILL be an emergency of some kind in the lives of most of us; but
someone has said, "There is no emergency to him who is prepared!" We
can lessen the number of "emergencies" that come our way be preparing
for as many eventualities as possible.

Al

Frank White December 31st 04 06:40 PM

In article , says...

running dogg wrote:

I've heard that five million people are imperiled. And that's probably a
low number. And these are people whose immune systems probably weren't
in top shape to begin with. This has the potential to be the worst
natural disaster in terms of deaths in human history, exempting plagues.
Before the signal was wiped out by local QRM, I heard the BBC say last
night (yesterday morning world time) that only a trickle of aid has
gotten to only a small portion of survivors. Most of the survivors are
on their own. Some haven't eaten since the tsunami hit, which weakens
their immune systems even more than they already were. I expect water
borne sicknesses to quickly kill many thousands, perhaps even a million,
even two million.


There may be a lesson to be learned here. It *could* happen here
(wherever here is to any reader of this NG) and we should do what we can
while we can to "be prepared" as the Boy Scouts would say.

I realize it wouldn't do much good to have had a year's supply of stored
food and water, along with medical supplies, etc., etc., etc., if they
were near the water's edge when a Tsunami / Tidal Wave hit. However,
not all of us live on the brink of a 7000 mile pond or at sea level.
Even then and there some buried supplies might have survived. Think
about it!

There WILL be an emergency of some kind in the lives of most of us; but
someone has said, "There is no emergency to him who is prepared!" We
can lessen the number of "emergencies" that come our way be preparing
for as many eventualities as possible.

Al


This is one of the things we discuss a lot over on misc.survivalism
(in among the name calling, flame wars, OT posts, and rampant egos.
It reminds me so much of this place...). What is a danger, and
how do you prepare for it? We consider pandemics, earthquakes,
blizzard, forest fire, the Yellowstone supervolcano and the
massive chunks of the Canary Islands (in the Atlantic) and the
Hawaiian Islands (in the Pacific) that are at risk of breaking
loose and sending walls of water even HIGHER than the Sumartarn
quake at their respective shores...

Of course, one of the first steps in being prepared for disaster is
being informed. And having a good radio - especially a shortwave
one so you can hear news that the American media doesn't report -
is at the top of the list for that...

FW


Offbreed December 31st 04 07:28 PM

Frank White wrote:

massive chunks of the Canary Islands (in the Atlantic) and the
Hawaiian Islands (in the Pacific) that are at risk of breaking
loose and sending walls of water even HIGHER than the Sumartarn
quake at their respective shores...



URL of one of the sites discussing Hawaii land slides and tsunamis:

http://www.mbari.org/volcanism/Hawaii/HR-Landslides.htm

A seamount can also have a tsunami producing land slide.

Animated GIF of the tsunami expected when the Cascadia subduction fault
next acts up. Part of it is pointed straight at Seattle.

http://quake.usgs.gov/tsunami/GIFanimation.html

Averages 800 yrs. Last major quake was 700 yrs ago.

Harveyat8c43z0 January 4th 05 12:01 AM


Frank White wrote:

massive chunks of the Canary Islands (in the Atlantic) and the
Hawaiian Islands (in the Pacific) that are at risk of breaking
loose and sending walls of water even HIGHER than the Sumartarn
quake at their respective shores...



the above is true is IF..
Absolutely everything went "wrong" & the wholw shootin match went into the
ocean
in a short short time..
; My guess is that it ( Canary Islands landslide )
would occurr in " chunks," over several days / Weeks / Months ( ??) & NOT
all at once..( Seconds 1 minute )



URL of one of the sites discussing Hawaii land slides and tsunamis:

http://www.mbari.org/volcanism/Hawaii/HR-Landslides.htm

A seamount can also have a tsunami producing land slide.

Animated GIF of the tsunami expected when the Cascadia subduction fault
next acts up. Part of it is pointed straight at Seattle.

http://quake.usgs.gov/tsunami/GIFanimation.html


Very good sites, thank you Frank.


Averages 800 yrs. Last major quake was 700 yrs ago.

- STILL be a buyer of shorefront property ....
:-)










Harveyat8c43z0 January 4th 05 01:21 AM


Here's the Link..

http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v3/ne....php?id=111574


Drudge now has a figure of 400,000 up due to reports from Indonesia, based
upon
aerial surveillance.

The magnitude of this catastrophe is beyond comprehension.

Whatever your belief, think of those who have perished, and those who survive
to
cope with the enormity of the situation.

dxAce
Michigan
USA






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