Wellbrook ALA330S received today First impressions
 

A week ago i placed my order for a Wellbrook ALA330S active antenna loop...
Well the ALA330S arrived today
first impression of the antenna is packaging was spot on no problems....
i carefully un packed the antenna to inspect the parts included with the
antenna. my first findings are as follows. the loop its self looks well
made. but for the mounting bracket that is included anybody who has brought
a wellbrook loop will agree this bracket fixes to the bottom of the antenna
by use of two screws. the mounting plate only has a 1 inch tube coming from
the mounting plate this is to allow it to be fitted inside a pole of the
correct internal diameter and a hole drilled through and screwed together
this mounting plate in my opinion needs to be re designed with a longer tube
fitted to the mounting plate .....the interface box looks good and well set
out...
the power supply that is included. well i was surprised to find the supplied
power supply is only one of the multe voltage type that you can pick up on
any high street and is used to power kids toys and personal stereo,s... you
can buy these power supply's for as little as £2.99 and a maximum of
£4.99.....
i have not tested the antenna as yet due to hospital visiting...
i will be testing the antenna in doors tomorrow. as i don't intend to use
the supplied mounting plate i am going to have a better plate fabricated. as
i intend to mount the ALA330S high up on the gable end of my house so the
supplied mounting plate is very inferior that is if like me you intend to
mount the loop high up.....
i paid a total of £169.99 for the antenna... and in my opinion i thought i
would have received a better mounting plate and a dedicated power supply
unit made for the antenna and not a cheap market type toy power supply
unit...
My first impression is i don't think the cost of this antenna at £169.99 is
justified.. lets hope the antenna works well and justifies my £169.99 out
lay.......lets hope...

i will add updates on the performance of the ALA-330S antenna as soon as i
can as my spare time is tight as i am in and out visiting a family member in
hospital after cancer treatment......

if you own a Wellbrook loop antenna and agree with my findings so far what
do you think.
when i have had my new mounting bracket made up i will be forwarding my
findings to wellbrook.

John

Hi John,

Living in the United States, I have the North American power supply for
the Wellbrook ALA 330S which is perfectly adequate. Naturally I cannot
comment on the English power supply, but I think that if Andy Ikins
thinks it's adequate, it probably is. Why not give him a telephone call
(or an e-mail) and ask him directly if you should stay with the
supplied adapter or if he thinks you need something "better?" I suspect
he will tell you that his power supply, though inexpensive, is all you
need, but you should find out for yourself.

I can't comment on the quality of the mounting plate for outdoor use. I
have my antenna mounted to a Radio Shack rotator which is affixed to a
rafter in my attic. You might want to discuss that with him also.

I have to tell you that when I first opened my package, I too wasn't
really impressed with what I saw, especially in view of the glowing
reviews in PASSPORT and WRTH. It really didn't seem like much. (The
Postal Service Lady who delivered it asked me if I had ordered an
imported "Hula Hoop!")

It wasn't until the Wellbrook antenna was connected to my new AOR
AR7030 Plus receiver that I realized what a great piece of equipment it
is.

I don't know what Andy Ikins puts in his little boxes, and, frankly, I
don't care. All I know is that it is the best antenna I have ever used.
The summertime here is usually a "wasteland" of poor signal strength,
interference, and atmospheric noise. No other antenna I have tried has
worked satisfactorily. This past summer, with the Wellbrook, the
listening was so good that it was easy to forget it was summer!

Some people, mostly non-owners, have questioned the price charged. Even
you yourself, not having yet used it, have questioned the value.

Wait until you have the antenna operating. If you're like me, you'll
know that you've in fact gotten a bargain! If the price were TWICE it
would still be a bargain, at least at my location, in my opinion, where
nothing else works!

Let us all know your impressions after you've used it for a day or so.

Best,

Joe



big boy now wrote:
A week ago i placed my order for a Wellbrook ALA330S active antenna
loop...
Well the ALA330S arrived today
first impression of the antenna is packaging was spot on no
problems....
i carefully un packed the antenna to inspect the parts included with
the
antenna. my first findings are as follows. the loop its self looks
well
made. but for the mounting bracket that is included anybody who has
brought
a wellbrook loop will agree this bracket fixes to the bottom of the
antenna
by use of two screws. the mounting plate only has a 1 inch tube
coming from
the mounting plate this is to allow it to be fitted inside a pole of
the
correct internal diameter and a hole drilled through and screwed
together
this mounting plate in my opinion needs to be re designed with a
longer tube
fitted to the mounting plate .....the interface box looks good and
well set
out...
the power supply that is included. well i was surprised to find the
supplied
power supply is only one of the multe voltage type that you can pick
up on
any high street and is used to power kids toys and personal
stereo,s... you
can buy these power supply's for as little as =A32.99 and a maximum of

=A34.99.....
i have not tested the antenna as yet due to hospital visiting...
i will be testing the antenna in doors tomorrow. as i don't intend to
use
the supplied mounting plate i am going to have a better plate
fabricated. as
i intend to mount the ALA330S high up on the gable end of my house so
the
supplied mounting plate is very inferior that is if like me you
intend to
mount the loop high up.....
i paid a total of =A3169.99 for the antenna... and in my opinion i
thought i
would have received a better mounting plate and a dedicated power
supply
unit made for the antenna and not a cheap market type toy power
supply
unit...
My first impression is i don't think the cost of this antenna at
=A3169.99 is
justified.. lets hope the antenna works well and justifies my
=A3169.99 out
lay.......lets hope...

i will add updates on the performance of the ALA-330S antenna as soon
as i
can as my spare time is tight as i am in and out visiting a family
member in
hospital after cancer treatment......

if you own a Wellbrook loop antenna and agree with my findings so far
what
do you think.
when i have had my new mounting bracket made up i will be forwarding
my=20
findings to wellbrook.
=20
John

starman wrote:
big boy now wrote:

A week ago i placed my order for a Wellbrook ALA330S active antenna
loop...
Well the ALA330S arrived today
first impression of the antenna is packaging was spot on no
problems....
i carefully un packed the antenna to inspect the parts included
with the
antenna. my first findings are as follows. the loop its self looks
well
made. but for the mounting bracket that is included anybody who has
brought
a wellbrook loop will agree this bracket fixes to the bottom of the
antenna
by use of two screws. the mounting plate only has a 1 inch tube
coming from
the mounting plate this is to allow it to be fitted inside a pole
of the
correct internal diameter and a hole drilled through and screwed
together
this mounting plate in my opinion needs to be re designed with a
longer tube
fitted to the mounting plate .....

How well do you think it would stand up to some rough winter weather
with icing and strong winds?


The antenna should be pretty resilient once you have it mounted. As I
recall, Wellbrook does recommend that, after attaching the base of the
loop to a post, rotor, etc., you should add some improvised vertical
supports to support the upper portion of the loop in the event of high
winds. I doubt it would be hard to add this extra support.

The way I have the antenna situated is unusual, I think. I have it on
the end of a horizontal mast extending away from my building. The *top*
of the loop is actually attached to the mast via some clamps and
protective rubber inserts. The clamps hold the loop firmly, but not so
tightly that the antenna can't 'give' in the face of strong winds. The
base of the loop, with the coax attached, isn't mounted to anything,
but the coax itself provides it with a bit of weight and added
stability.

I obviously could have mounted the loop differently, and could
certainly have attached it via its base to the horizontal mast I'm
using, provided I also gave it some vertical support for wind
protection. However, I thought that attaching the upper portion of the
loop to the mast while leaving the bottom free to shift a bit with the
wind would provide better long term protection, and after a few months
I feel pretty good about this arrangement. Because the loop is visible
out my kitchen window, I've monitored its condition very carefully and
everything's working out just fine. In fact, over the last couple of
days we've had very strong winds and these have not stressed the loop
*at all*.

Steve

wrote:

starman wrote:

How well do you think it would stand up to some rough winter weather
with icing and strong winds?


The antenna should be pretty resilient once you have it mounted. As I
recall, Wellbrook does recommend that, after attaching the base of the
loop to a post, rotor, etc., you should add some improvised vertical
supports to support the upper portion of the loop in the event of high
winds. I doubt it would be hard to add this extra support.

The way I have the antenna situated is unusual, I think. I have it on
the end of a horizontal mast extending away from my building. The *top*
of the loop is actually attached to the mast via some clamps and
protective rubber inserts. The clamps hold the loop firmly, but not so
tightly that the antenna can't 'give' in the face of strong winds. The
base of the loop, with the coax attached, isn't mounted to anything,
but the coax itself provides it with a bit of weight and added
stability.

I obviously could have mounted the loop differently, and could
certainly have attached it via its base to the horizontal mast I'm
using, provided I also gave it some vertical support for wind
protection. However, I thought that attaching the upper portion of the
loop to the mast while leaving the bottom free to shift a bit with the
wind would provide better long term protection, and after a few months
I feel pretty good about this arrangement. Because the loop is visible
out my kitchen window, I've monitored its condition very carefully and
everything's working out just fine. In fact, over the last couple of
days we've had very strong winds and these have not stressed the loop
*at all*.

I have this vision of the loop snapping off at the base (standard
mounting) when it's loaded with ice in a high wind. It's not clear to me
how you would provide more vertical support at the top of the loop
without interfering with it's ability to rotate (with a rotor).


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I have this vision of the loop snapping off at the base (standard
mounting) when it's loaded with ice in a high wind. It's not clear to
me
how you would provide more vertical support at the top of the loop
without interfering with it's ability to rotate (with a rotor).


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Well, it isn't always mounted on a rotor. I didn't use a rotor because
the antenna's performance seems pretty omnidirectional on the
frequencies that interest me. However, I don't spend a lot of time on
MW either, and anyone who does should definitely use a rotor.

My sense is that the antenna is quite strong and there's nothing on it
to really 'catch' the wind. If you didn't provide additional support, I
doubt that the antenna would ever sustain wind damage. However, if you
had it right in front of you and had an hour or two to think about it,
I'm sure you could improvise some sort of additional support. You'd
probably have fun doing it, too!

Steve

starman wrote:


One of the nice features of the Wellbrook is being able to mount it with
a dual axis rotor so you can fine tune the reception angle. It's an
expensive option but that's what I would do to get the most out of it. I
wonder if anyone knows the circuit design for the loop's pre-amp? That's
probably what makes it perform so well.

The Wellbrook preamp is potted to make it tougher for someone to swipe
the design.

I think major reasons it performs so well include the fact loop antennas
are less susceptible to noise, and they were able to design their
antennas as complete systems.

If you'd like to experiment with preamps, I suggest checking ebay or
your local hamfests for preamps made by companies like Avantek, WJ, or
the company known at various times as Norlin, Aiken, ACL, and Applied
Communications. Typically, they'll be low noise designs with plenty of
dynamic range. I often find these at the flea at MIT for anywhere
between $10 and $40.

I also tried an ARR brand preamp, (about $50 new) and it performed well,
but it got taken out by the first lightning strike in the neighborhood.

As for being able to rotate the Wellbrook loops, my understanding is
you're not likely to notice a difference on HF bands.

"Mark S. Holden" wrote:

starman wrote:


One of the nice features of the Wellbrook is being able to mount it with
a dual axis rotor so you can fine tune the reception angle. It's an
expensive option but that's what I would do to get the most out of it. I
wonder if anyone knows the circuit design for the loop's pre-amp? That's
probably what makes it perform so well.

The Wellbrook preamp is potted to make it tougher for someone to swipe
the design.

And any competent electronics outfit has already done so, if they were
interested in the design.

I've worked for numerous firms over the years and the number of competitor
products coming through the door for study and evaluation was astounding.

If it hasn't been mentioned already, there was a review in the 2002 Passport
regarding this antenna and the dual axis rotor scheme by Chuck Rippel. It may
have appeared in other additions as well.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Hello Again John "Big Boy,"

By now (January 25) you may have tried your new antenna. Any comments?
(I hope your family member is recovering well and I know everyone on
this group is wishing you and yours well.)

Best,

Joe

big boy now wrote:
A week ago i placed my order for a Wellbrook ALA330S active antenna
loop...
Well the ALA330S arrived today

i will be testing the antenna indoors tomorrow.

i will add updates on the performance of the ALA-330S antenna as soon
as i
can as my spare time is tight as i am in and out visiting a family
member in
hospital after cancer treatment......

"Mark S. Holden" wrote:

starman wrote:


One of the nice features of the Wellbrook is being able to mount it with
a dual axis rotor so you can fine tune the reception angle. It's an
expensive option but that's what I would do to get the most out of it. I
wonder if anyone knows the circuit design for the loop's pre-amp? That's
probably what makes it perform so well.

The Wellbrook preamp is potted to make it tougher for someone to swipe
the design.

That's a challenge I would enjoy. Anyone want to donate their Wellbrook
loop preamp for micro-disection?

I think major reasons it performs so well include the fact loop antennas
are less susceptible to noise, and they were able to design their
antennas as complete systems.

If you'd like to experiment with preamps, I suggest checking ebay or
your local hamfests for preamps made by companies like Avantek, WJ, or
the company known at various times as Norlin, Aiken, ACL, and Applied
Communications. Typically, they'll be low noise designs with plenty of
dynamic range. I often find these at the flea at MIT for anywhere
between $10 and $40.

I also tried an ARR brand preamp, (about $50 new) and it performed well,
but it got taken out by the first lightning strike in the neighborhood.

As for being able to rotate the Wellbrook loops, my understanding is
you're not likely to notice a difference on HF bands.

I thought so too but I've seen of reports to the contrary.


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starman wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote:
snip
As for being able to rotate the Wellbrook loops, my understanding is
you're not likely to notice a difference on HF bands.

I thought so too but I've seen of reports to the contrary.


I suppose if you're serious about chasing DX the cost of a dual axis rotor
system would be small compared to the money you could toss at a radio upgrade.

Personally, I think it would be slick to do a dual axis rotor system with a yagi
for radio astronomy.

Mark S. Holden wrote:
starman wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote:
snip
As for being able to rotate the Wellbrook loops, my understanding
is
you're not likely to notice a difference on HF bands.

I thought so too but I've seen of reports to the contrary.


I suppose if you're serious about chasing DX the cost of a dual axis
rotor
system would be small compared to the money you could toss at a radio
upgrade.

Personally, I think it would be slick to do a dual axis rotor system
with a yagi
for radio astronomy.

I'd say that if you're chasing MW DX the rotor is an absolute 'must
have'; but I wouldn't say this where SW DX is concerned. I was sort of
hoping that the antenna would have directional characteristics above,
say, 4500 khz; but it sure doesn't seem to, at least in my location and
listening conditions. I guess I'll just have to resign myself to an
excellent omnidirectional antenna... :).

Steve

"Mark S. Holden" wrote:

Personally, I think it would be slick to do a dual axis rotor system with a yagi
for radio astronomy.

That's the ticket!

My review of the wellbrook ALA 330S loop antenna so far.

first things first i was going to test this antenna mounted in my loft
but the loop would not fit through the loft door opening.

So my first test was carried out as follows.
i stood the antenna in the middle of my room floor.
i had the 330S connected to an antenna switch so i could flick the switch to
compare the performance between other antennas i have mounted out doors..
when i had the 330S connected up like this just sitting in the middle of my
room floor. my other antennas did perform better signal wise but the
wellbrook was much quieter but the signals were a lot lower.....one thing i
did notice is that why i was useing the wellbrook 330S in this position is i
tuned into a distant signal that i could hear why using the 330S then i
flicked the antenna switch between my two other out door antennas and i
could only hear the signal using the 330S as the noise was a lot less....
this is as far as i have progressed so far.....
my next test will be to locate the antenna on a fence post in my back
garden..
then when i get time i will be mounting it about 50+ feet high...

as for my circumstances my farther in laws cancer treatment well.
he was admitted to Hospital on Monday 24th and was expecting to have his
operation first thing Tuesday. his operation was going to take 12+ hours ..
well on the Tuesday the doctors got my farther in-law all ready for his
operation they went as far as wheeling him down to the operating room they
had injected him with strong pain killers and relaxants then just as they
were to wheel him into the operating room the operation was cancelled due to
the intensive care bed had been taken and he was sent home later that day
and he now has to wait for another couple of weeks for his operation and it
could be cancelled again. how ****ing cruel is that this country is going
to the wall the health service is totally ****. one day i am going to get
out of this god forbidden country......

As soon as i have time i will test the Wellbrook 330S mounted out doors.....

all in all the antenna seemed to perform better than my out door antennas
but the signal was low but then again it was only sitting on the floor....

John



"Joe Analssandrini" wrote in message
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Hello Again John "Big Boy,"

By now (January 25) you may have tried your new antenna. Any comments?
(I hope your family member is recovering well and I know everyone on
this group is wishing you and yours well.)

Best,

Joe

big boy now wrote:
A week ago i placed my order for a Wellbrook ALA330S active antenna
loop...
Well the ALA330S arrived today

i will be testing the antenna indoors tomorrow.

i will add updates on the performance of the ALA-330S antenna as soon
as i
can as my spare time is tight as i am in and out visiting a family
member in
hospital after cancer treatment......

A lady whom is fifty years old,she and her dad and her husband are
originaly from Ireland.I met them via the internet a little over five
years ago,they live in Bognor Regis,West Sussex,England about sixty
something miles south of London.About two years ago her dad went to
Ireland (Caherconlish,near Limerick) to visit friends.His doctor in
Bognor Regis had told him it was ok to make the trip to Ireland,he had
been having prostate gland problems.Almost as soon as he got to
Ireland,he was in very severe pain.He wound up at Dooradoyle
Hospital,Limerick,his prostate gland was just about to burst.If he
haden't made that trip to Ireland,chances are he would have died in
Bognor Regis.
cuhulin

Steve (or anyone else), how do you like your Welbrook loop, and where
do
I buy one?
My main interest is in putting it up about 30' feet and rotating it
to
null out local electrical QRN. How does it perform in this regard?

Leonard

--
"Everything that rises must converge"
--Flannery O'Connor

I think the ALA-330S is a wonderful antenna. It didn't work well for me
indoors due to noise, but now that it's mounted outdoors it's doing
extremely well.

If you want to purchase one, you can contact the Shortwave Shop and
order one with a credit card. Visit their website for contact
information: http://www.shortwave.co.uk

Steve

Dear John,

Compared to what you, your father-in-law, and your family are going
through, questions about the Wellbrook antenna seem insignficant. I
hope you and yours find the strength to pull through this. (The
"dedicated" health-care "professionals" in ALL countries offer poor
care nowadays. It seems to me [in the USA] that the only "dedication"
many [most?] of these people seem to have is to themselves.)

So I'll just make one quick comment; you will be able to observe this
for yourself (and, actually, you already have). Many antennas will
cause the S-meter to show a stronger signal than the Wellbrook, yet,
especially in the summer, you will be able to hear the signal far
better via the Wellbrook than most other antennas. This is because the
other antennas boost the noise along with the signal. The Wellbrook
attenuates electrical and atmospheric noise. Its gain is not as great
as many other antennas, but its signal-to-noise ratio (which is all in
which you are interested) is far better than any other antenna I have
personally tried or experienced. In short, it just doesn't matter what
the S-meter reads. The bottom line is: "can you hear the signal with
good intelligibility?"

I (and I know all the rest of the members of this group) sincerely wish
your father-in-law a speedy and complete recovery and for you and your
family to get through this most terrible time.

Best,

Joe