David Eduardo wrote:
"David" wrote...
Perfect example of how easily a moron can be misled by a flashy
headline. The rating went from 2.4 to 2.2.

And that is well within the margin of error for a survey at that share
level.

But had it gone from 2.2 to 2.4, you'd be touting it as a 400% increase.

--

In Memoriam: Julius the cat April 1, 1993 - February 3, 2005

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Learn how ratings work before commenting again.

LOL!

Learn to do simple arithmetic before trying (in vain) refute
overwhelming numbers.

I have been doing Arbitron analysis for the last 35 years, and make a
living with the "simple math" of statistics.

Your response shows you know nothing about how radio ratings work.

And your response shows you don't know the difference between 15 and 2.2.

I know that Air America in NY underperforms because the 5 mv/m signal
barely covers 40% of the market's population. If one retabulates the
nubmers for the city-grade coverage area, WLIB actually is very close to
WABC in key sales demos. In some markets, like Portland, it beats the
conservative talker. In San Diego, AA is on a vastly inferior signal, yet
comes very close to KOGO in 25-54. In most other markets, the format is
way too new to make any conclusion at all.

Must all liberals resort to condescending tones to pretend that they know
a deeper truth than the facts right in front of their noses?

I am not a liberal. In fact, in the last election I voted for the Partido
Nuevo Progresista, which is conservative. Being conservative does not, as
a rule, require divorcing oneself from reality.

For what it's worth, I put myself through college working at radio
stations, and I know my way through a book.

That is not apparent. College interns generally don't even see books... or
the electronic version in use for the last decade.
You presume too much again. I wasn't an intern -- I was on-air talent (I
still do commercials in my spare time). It was a great way to pay the bills
while I went to graduate school.

And you can bitch about the signal all you want, but it doesn't change the
fact that Air America's numbers are not growing, and appear to have actually
fallen in their flagship market. Sure, if they broadcast in Berkely, they
might pick up a couple of listeners, but the fact is that they have very
little chance of surviving as a commercially viable network outside of a
very limited number of markets.

-- Stinger

Bob Haberkost wrote:

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| "dxAce" wrote in message
| ...

| And Air America catching up with Rush... Ain't gonna happen.

| In some markets, where AA has competitive signals, it is happening. The
| margin, especially in 25-54, is close in some places, far off in others.
| Just as Rush has 5 or 6 shares in some places, 2 to 3 shares in others.

| Failed ideas, failed philosophy, failed candidates (many of whom should
be
| in jail, (Teddy Kennedy for one, John Kerry for another))

| But it is entertaining radio. Talk radio is about entertainment, not
| content.

Only those who question nothing, fact-check less and want their world the way
it was in 1920 would find this sort of radio entertaining, David. Dare I
call them morons?

I never dare, I'll just come right out and call you a 'tard boy. How's that?

Can I call you a pussy too?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

DE,

On 09 Feb 2005 00:44:25 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

On Tue 08 Feb 2005 07:22:04p, "Bob Haberkost"
wrote in message
news:MIcOd.25934$W16.4561@trndny07:

{snippage}

David is not a liberal, if you've been paying attention, twit. Or is it
(like most conservative thought processes work) that David must be a
liberal because he disagrees with you?


Liberal? Conservative? Misanthrope? Martian? Who cares? It's been
demonstrated time and again that Rickets is wholly incapable of sustaining a
point sans benefit of a "Cut & Paste" job of someone else's work. Ergo, he
hasn't been arbitrarily referred to as "Tard" -- He's *Earned* It!
Or, perhaps he should be awarded your chosen title of affection, "twit"?

-=jd=-
I suspect authority and am old enough to know that the people in power
tend to lie more than the loyal opposition. That being said, these
people in Washington who claim to be conservative are far from it. I
grew up conservative and hold conservative core beliefs, but I will
align with progressives/liberals right now because they are more
conservative than the socialist neocon corporatists running the
government now.

OK, call me a name...

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:35:40 -0600, "Stinger"
Believe me, Clear Channel, Infinity, or any
number of other groups would be all over Air America if they thought people
were actually going to listen -- they're not about ideology, they're about
audience numbers and demographics. They make more money when more of the
right people listen to their stations (or did they forget to print that in
An American Radio Trilogy Vol. 1?) Well, there's always room for volume 2,
isn't there?

-- Stinger
1 out of every 4 Clear Channel talk stations will be ''Progressive
Talk'' by the end of the year. It is turning out to be an instant
winner every where they do it. They are totally pleased.

This points out that Americans are hungry for truly balanced
discussion.

NPR is from the middle 1970s. I think you may have them confused with
Pacifica.

On 8 Feb 2005 12:35:22 -0800, "RHF"
wrote:

* An Audience that has been buying the same Brand of
Liberal News and Information {TALK} Radio for over 50 Years.

* A Listener Base that is 'conditioned' to PAY (Donate)
for their Brand of Liberal Radio.

* Plus all those Liberal "Down For The Cause" FREELOADERS: Who Listen
and NEVER send in a Dime to Support what they
Claim that they 'believe-in'.
.
Lets Give It Up For NPR -Air America's Public Enemy # 1
.
something to think about ~ RHF
.
.

David wrote:

On 09 Feb 2005 00:44:25 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

On Tue 08 Feb 2005 07:22:04p, "Bob Haberkost"
wrote in message
news:MIcOd.25934$W16.4561@trndny07:

{snippage}

David is not a liberal, if you've been paying attention, twit. Or is it
(like most conservative thought processes work) that David must be a
liberal because he disagrees with you?


Liberal? Conservative? Misanthrope? Martian? Who cares? It's been
demonstrated time and again that Rickets is wholly incapable of sustaining a
point sans benefit of a "Cut & Paste" job of someone else's work. Ergo, he
hasn't been arbitrarily referred to as "Tard" -- He's *Earned* It!
Or, perhaps he should be awarded your chosen title of affection, "twit"?

-=jd=-
I suspect authority and am old enough to know that the people in power
tend to lie more than the loyal opposition. That being said, these
people in Washington who claim to be conservative are far from it. I
grew up conservative and hold conservative core beliefs, but I will
align with progressives/liberals right now because they are more
conservative than the socialist neocon corporatists running the
government now.

OK, call me a name...

Well, no matter what, you're still a 'tard boy. That hasn't changed.

Now go take those meds, pick up that Sirius radio and go tote it you frickin
'tard.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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Stinger wrote:

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"Stinger" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message

Learn how ratings work before commenting again.

LOL!

Learn to do simple arithmetic before trying (in vain) refute
overwhelming numbers.

I have been doing Arbitron analysis for the last 35 years, and make a
living with the "simple math" of statistics.

Your response shows you know nothing about how radio ratings work.

And your response shows you don't know the difference between 15 and 2.2.

I know that Air America in NY underperforms because the 5 mv/m signal
barely covers 40% of the market's population. If one retabulates the
nubmers for the city-grade coverage area, WLIB actually is very close to
WABC in key sales demos. In some markets, like Portland, it beats the
conservative talker. In San Diego, AA is on a vastly inferior signal, yet
comes very close to KOGO in 25-54. In most other markets, the format is
way too new to make any conclusion at all.

Must all liberals resort to condescending tones to pretend that they know
a deeper truth than the facts right in front of their noses?

I am not a liberal. In fact, in the last election I voted for the Partido
Nuevo Progresista, which is conservative. Being conservative does not, as
a rule, require divorcing oneself from reality.

For what it's worth, I put myself through college working at radio
stations, and I know my way through a book.

That is not apparent. College interns generally don't even see books... or
the electronic version in use for the last decade.
You presume too much again. I wasn't an intern -- I was on-air talent (I
still do commercials in my spare time). It was a great way to pay the bills
while I went to graduate school.

And you can bitch about the signal all you want, but it doesn't change the
fact that Air America's numbers are not growing, and appear to have actually
fallen in their flagship market. Sure, if they broadcast in Berkely, they
might pick up a couple of listeners, but the fact is that they have very
little chance of surviving as a commercially viable network outside of a
very limited number of markets.

-- Stinger



Is 48, including #1 and #2 markets, plus Serius and XM and the largest
realaudio serivice a "very limited number of markets" ?

They seem to be adding a station a month, or better.

BTW; What's with the AM-only ? Is it a strategy ?
--

a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m

Don't blame me. I voted for Gore.

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But it is entertaining radio. Talk radio is about entertainment, not
content.

How can you have entertainment without content? Just like a web site.

Buy ammo! It'll be over fairly quickly, but always be prepared.

Huh?

Can never have too much ammo on hand.