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Holocaust Denial Charges Coming!
You aren't free to express your thoughts - IF they don't meet the
politically correct mold - especially if your thoughts and speech happen to deny the holocaust! Hasn't there been one or more folks arrested in Germany for a book they wrote in the U.S? Well, Here's one whisked off to Germany, from Canada, so they could face the charge of denying the holocaust! Check out http://www.zundelsite.org - While the site is still available. How long before they shut it down? "Political Prisoner Ernst Zundel Deported Secretly Whisked by Chartered Plane to Germany" "Word has just reached me that Ernst Zundel was taken in a special, chartered (?) plane to Germany, where he reportedly landed at 10 p.m., German time, (3/1/05) in Frankfurt. There, he will be arrested for "Holocaust Denial" allegedly found on the Zundelsite - and taken to the Mannheim Prison. So, once again, this is a "cyber war" involving an American website? Blue Ribbons to the fore!" |
Al Patrick wrote: You aren't free to express your thoughts - IF they don't meet the politically correct mold - especially if your thoughts and speech happen to deny the holocaust! Hasn't there been one or more folks arrested in Germany for a book they wrote in the U.S? Well, Here's one whisked off to Germany, from Canada, so they could face the charge of denying the holocaust! Check out http://www.zundelsite.org - While the site is still available. How long before they shut it down? "Political Prisoner Ernst Zundel Deported Secretly Whisked by Chartered Plane to Germany" "Word has just reached me that Ernst Zundel was taken in a special, chartered (?) plane to Germany, where he reportedly landed at 10 p.m., German time, (3/1/05) in Frankfurt. There, he will be arrested for "Holocaust Denial" allegedly found on the Zundelsite - and taken to the Mannheim Prison. So, once again, this is a "cyber war" involving an American website? Blue Ribbons to the fore!" Ernst was deported from the USA back to CanaDuh as I understand it where he was arrested a few years ago. There was some mention of him in a recent DXLD. Apparently he and/or his group was responsible for the program American Dissident Voices which aired on shortwave here. I'm not sure if the program still continues. dxAce Michigan USA |
dxAce wrote: Al Patrick wrote: You aren't free to express your thoughts - IF they don't meet the politically correct mold - especially if your thoughts and speech happen to deny the holocaust! Hasn't there been one or more folks arrested in Germany for a book they wrote in the U.S? Well, Here's one whisked off to Germany, from Canada, so they could face the charge of denying the holocaust! Check out http://www.zundelsite.org - While the site is still available. How long before they shut it down? "Political Prisoner Ernst Zundel Deported Secretly Whisked by Chartered Plane to Germany" "Word has just reached me that Ernst Zundel was taken in a special, chartered (?) plane to Germany, where he reportedly landed at 10 p.m., German time, (3/1/05) in Frankfurt. There, he will be arrested for "Holocaust Denial" allegedly found on the Zundelsite - and taken to the Mannheim Prison. So, once again, this is a "cyber war" involving an American website? Blue Ribbons to the fore!" Ernst was deported from the USA back to CanaDuh as I understand it where he was arrested a few years ago. There was some mention of him in a recent DXLD. Apparently he and/or his group was responsible for the program American Dissident Voices which aired on shortwave here. I'm not sure if the program still continues. Here is the relevent material from DXLD 5-036: ** DEUTSCHES REICH [and non]. JUDGE RULES CANADA FREE TO DEPORT ERNST ZUNDEL Ernst Zundel, well known holocaust denier (deny-er?) and onetime shortwave broadcaster's deportation to Germany imminent. German authorities have indicated he will be arrested (for holocaust denial) once he sets foot in that country. Zundel has been fighting deportation for over 2 years (Fred Waterer, dxldyg via DX LISTENING DIGEST) Judge rules Canada free to deport Ernst Zundel --- CTV.ca News Staff http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...56/?hub=Canada Jewish leaders expressed relief after a federal court judge ruled that Ottawa was free to deport infamous holocaust denier Ernst Zundel back to his native Germany. Justice Pierre Blais called Zundel a danger to Canadian society in a 64-page decision released on Thursday. "Mr. Zundel's activities are not only a threat to Canada's national security but also a threat to the international community of nations," Blais said. The judge wrote that "reasonable grounds" exist "to believe Mr. Zundel is inadmissible on security grounds for being a danger to the security of Canada," The Globe and Mail reported. Blais' ruling was a scathing denunciation of Zundel, who he said was a "leader of international significance" among white supremacists. "He also tried, by all means possible, to develop and maintain a global network of groups that have an interest in the same right-wing, extremist, neo-Nazi mindset," Blais said. Blais also described him as a Hitler-sympathizer who set out to expand the neo-Nazi movement and was proud of his influence. "I remember how proud he was when he mentioned in cross-examination that his Zundelsite received hits from 400,000 people a month, and that after his arrest, the number grew to 1.2 million people accessing his website each month," Blais said. Zundel, 65, was arrested in the United States and deported back to Canada over an immigration violation in 2003. He has been in solitary confinement in a Toronto jail for the past two years on a national security certificate signed by Canada's solicitor general and the federal minister of citizenship and immigration. The certificate allows the federal government to hold Zundel indefinitely pending his deportation. Jewish leaders praised the judge's decision and hoped the deportation would be quick. Ed Morgan, president of the Canadian Jewish Congress, told the Toronto Star the judge's decision was "a victory against racism and hate. "It is certainly a victory for all Canadians who believe in a peaceful, multicultural society," Morgan said. Bernie Farber, executive director of the Canadian Jewish Congress, echoed his sentiments. "He could be gone tomorrow," Farber told The Globe. "All I know is, it's going to be quick. Canadians can breathe easier now." Zundel's defence counsel Peter Lindsay told The Globe that he plans to make a couple of last-ditch efforts to stay the deportation order. With files from The Canadian Press (via Fred Waterer, dxldyg via DXLD) Couldn't happen to a nicer guy!!! Can't believe we allow this kind of trash into our country, and then let them fight extradition for years, to start with. It's time for us to wake up and make whatever changes are necessary to our laws to not allow this kind of garbage go on, at great expense to the Canadian taxpayer I might add, for years (Tony (VA3QC) Champion, ODXA via DXLD) In case you wonder what in the world this has to do with radio, Zundel used to do a SW broadcast from the USA, and his followers still do, American Dissident Voices on WWRB (gh, DXLD) dxAce Michigan USA |
Auschwitz is open for tourist to visit,I read something about that a
year ago.A new hotel (or something like that) is going to be built on the site where Hitler commited suicide (best thing he ever did!) in that bunker. cuhulin |
the jewish groups who persecuted this guy as a danger to "western
freedoms" are the same ones with deep associations to israel, a country who has made a habit out of counterfeiting Canadian passports for terroristic murders world-wide. The threat to Canada is obvious and it isnt Ernst Zundel |
On 02/03/2005 6:36 AM, Al Patrick wrote:
You aren't free to express your thoughts - IF they don't meet the politically correct mold - especially if your thoughts and speech happen to deny the holocaust! Hasn't there been one or more folks arrested in Germany for a book they wrote in the U.S? Well, Here's one whisked off to Germany, from Canada, so they could face the charge of denying the holocaust! Zundel tried and failed to get asylum in Canada as a political refugee. Canada gave him and his lawyers plenty of opportunity to state his case. More, in fact, than the average citizen want to give him. It was determine his case had no merit and was refused, and he was deported from Canada. He got the same chance to state his case as any innocent or despot from any other country. This was after being charged with distributing materials that are contrary to Canada's new "hate crime" laws. When he couldn't make a go of it in the U.S., he returned to Canada. He is not a Canadian citizen, and was asked to leave. Something similar happened in the U.S. I understand. Since he is still (AFAIK) a citizen of Germany, it is one of the few places he is "welcome." Remember that "freedom" has two parts: there is "freedom to", and then there is "freedom from." A truly free society has to find a balance between these two, often opposing, notions. Many countries have decided that freedom from Zundel's unsubstantiated and specious notions regarding recent history is more important than a single individual's freedom to spread hate propaganda. What does this have to do with shortwave? Colour me guilty of contributing to an OT posting. |
clvrmnky wrote: On 02/03/2005 6:36 AM, Al Patrick wrote: You aren't free to express your thoughts - IF they don't meet the politically correct mold - especially if your thoughts and speech happen to deny the holocaust! Hasn't there been one or more folks arrested in Germany for a book they wrote in the U.S? Well, Here's one whisked off to Germany, from Canada, so they could face the charge of denying the holocaust! Zundel tried and failed to get asylum in Canada as a political refugee. Canada gave him and his lawyers plenty of opportunity to state his case. More, in fact, than the average citizen want to give him. It was determine his case had no merit and was refused, and he was deported from Canada. He got the same chance to state his case as any innocent or despot from any other country. This was after being charged with distributing materials that are contrary to Canada's new "hate crime" laws. When he couldn't make a go of it in the U.S., he returned to Canada. He is not a Canadian citizen, and was asked to leave. Something similar happened in the U.S. I understand. Since he is still (AFAIK) a citizen of Germany, it is one of the few places he is "welcome." Remember that "freedom" has two parts: there is "freedom to", and then there is "freedom from." A truly free society has to find a balance between these two, often opposing, notions. Many countries have decided that freedom from Zundel's unsubstantiated and specious notions regarding recent history is more important than a single individual's freedom to spread hate propaganda. What does this have to do with shortwave? Colour me guilty of contributing to an OT posting. Well, no it is not really OT as Zundel was on shortwave, and his supporters apparently continue to air American Dissident Voices on WWRB. dxAce Michigan USA |
On 02/03/2005 12:51 PM, dxAce wrote:
clvrmnky wrote: [...] What does this have to do with shortwave? Colour me guilty of contributing to an OT posting. Well, no it is not really OT as Zundel was on shortwave, and his supporters apparently continue to air American Dissident Voices on WWRB. Ah, fair enough then. |
On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 06:47:32 -0500, dxAce
wrote: Al Patrick wrote: You aren't free to express your thoughts - IF they don't meet the politically correct mold - especially if your thoughts and speech happen to deny the holocaust! Hasn't there been one or more folks arrested in Germany for a book they wrote in the U.S? Well, Here's one whisked off to Germany, from Canada, so they could face the charge of denying the holocaust! Check out http://www.zundelsite.org - While the site is still available. How long before they shut it down? "Political Prisoner Ernst Zundel Deported Secretly Whisked by Chartered Plane to Germany" "Word has just reached me that Ernst Zundel was taken in a special, chartered (?) plane to Germany, where he reportedly landed at 10 p.m., German time, (3/1/05) in Frankfurt. There, he will be arrested for "Holocaust Denial" allegedly found on the Zundelsite - and taken to the Mannheim Prison. So, once again, this is a "cyber war" involving an American website? Blue Ribbons to the fore!" Ernst was deported from the USA back to CanaDuh as I understand it where he was arrested a few years ago. There was some mention of him in a recent DXLD. Apparently he and/or his group was responsible for the program American Dissident Voices which aired on shortwave here. I'm not sure if the program still continues. Why couldn't he seek sanctuary at that secret Nazi base at the South Pole of which he wrote? Or perhaps that hole in the earth? Or is the hole in his head? |
Joel Rubin wrote: On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 06:47:32 -0500, dxAce wrote: Al Patrick wrote: You aren't free to express your thoughts - IF they don't meet the politically correct mold - especially if your thoughts and speech happen to deny the holocaust! Hasn't there been one or more folks arrested in Germany for a book they wrote in the U.S? Well, Here's one whisked off to Germany, from Canada, so they could face the charge of denying the holocaust! Check out http://www.zundelsite.org - While the site is still available. How long before they shut it down? "Political Prisoner Ernst Zundel Deported Secretly Whisked by Chartered Plane to Germany" "Word has just reached me that Ernst Zundel was taken in a special, chartered (?) plane to Germany, where he reportedly landed at 10 p.m., German time, (3/1/05) in Frankfurt. There, he will be arrested for "Holocaust Denial" allegedly found on the Zundelsite - and taken to the Mannheim Prison. So, once again, this is a "cyber war" involving an American website? Blue Ribbons to the fore!" Ernst was deported from the USA back to CanaDuh as I understand it where he was arrested a few years ago. There was some mention of him in a recent DXLD. Apparently he and/or his group was responsible for the program American Dissident Voices which aired on shortwave here. I'm not sure if the program still continues. Why couldn't he seek sanctuary at that secret Nazi base at the South Pole of which he wrote? Or perhaps that hole in the earth? Or is the hole in his head? I never followed the guy or his group. They had a secret base at the South Pole? What fun! dxAce Michigan USA |
dxAce wrote in message ... I never followed the guy or his group. They had a secret base at the South Pole? What fun! dxAce Michigan USA Dx between ernest and american dissidiont voices there were a real hoot to listen too if you had nothing to do on a sat niteG |
Or,Mel's Hole in Oregon? I don't keep up with news about those nut
cases. (does it show?) What I have learned of that Zundel guy is what I have learned right here in this News Group. cuhulin |
Yeah,anytime I want a good laugh,just for Hoots I will tune in
www.coasttocoastam.com nut case show till I fall asleep about an hour or so later. cuhulin. |
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This OT post is about Zundel. =A0Not about the policies or conduct of
Israel. Zundel and the policies of zionists is ALL this is about. Live with it fool. You have no choice. |
So a guy who create words is arrested? Who gives a **** what the words are!
He has the right to do whatever even if it's distasteful and stupid! Well at least in America, I think! "nerst7000" wrote in message roups.com... "Al Patrick" wrote in message ... You aren't free to express your thoughts - IF they don't meet the politically correct mold - especially if your thoughts and speech happen to deny the holocaust! ...it ain't nice either if the communiques Zundel used were specifically designed and coded to do an end-run around plain speech understanding, but yet intended to incite violence and a hatred of Jews in general. Hasn't there been one or more folks arrested in Germany for a book they wrote in the U.S? Yes. (The rub however was that they also were German Citizens who were producing pamphlets, fliers and books from within the USA, specifically at the HQ of a well known hate group, in the German language for covert shipment into Germany. When these shi+heads went back into Germany the authorities were waiting with open arms and handcuffs......) Well, Here's one whisked off to Germany, from Canada, so they could face the charge of denying the holocaust! In case you were not aware of it, Ernst Zundel is a GERMAN CITIZEN. He is not a Canadian Citizen. He fled to Canada on a visa about a week before he was to be picked up by the German Authorities on Political Incitement charges. Germany has been trying to get him extradited for Years, and it finally came thru today. That's all. (I also assume you didn't hear on this evening's news also that a Federal Judge in IL had her husband and elderly mother *killed in her home* because she ruled against the leader of another related Domestic hate group, the World Church of The Creator. So you see, people like Zundel are SCUM who need to be locked away in a 12 by 15 where their ideas cannot further incite these two or more goons who killed members of this Federal Judge's family as a reprisal.) Nice people that Zundel and his racist goose-stepping ilk are eh...? (I wonder if all the domestic broadcasting shortwave radio kooks will be moaning over Zundel over the comming days ?) |
Al Patrick wrote in
: Hi Al and others. I can basically see by the responses to your post which of the posters are Jewish and which aren't. Why don't we all just check in, either by current religious affiliation or by the affiliation that we most associated with as we grew up. I'm Catholic. How about the rest of you? It will help us all to see the logic behind your responses. Regardless of how many Jews died in the Holocaust, forcing people not of Jewish heritage to constantly be reminded of how many Jews died does a major disservice to the victims of other Holocausts before and since. Examine the word Holocaust: For your edification, it is not a Jewish term nor a term meant to apply exclusively to the debacle of WWII. Main Entry: ho·lo·caust Pronunciation: 'hO-l&-"kost, 'hä- also -"käst or 'ho-l&-kost Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Old French holocauste, from Late Latin holocaustum, from Greek holokauston, from neuter of holokaustos burnt whole, from hol- + kaustos burnt, from kaiein to burn -- more at CAUSTIC 1 : a sacrifice consumed by fire 2 : a thorough destruction involving extensive loss of life especially through fire a nuclear holocaust 3 a often capitalized : the mass slaughter of European civilians and especially Jews by the Nazis during World War II -- usually used with the b : a mass slaughter of people; especially : Continuing, visit http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquer...30.108&sel=TOC _5005& (or http://tinyurl.com/4lbwf ) It is estimated that one and a half million Armenians were killed. (ARE MEAN KNEE INS, not A MARE A CANS) From 1932 through 1933, this man-made famine lead to the death of 5 million of the politically resistant Ukranian people. …………………..over six million Jews were murdered. Khmer Rouge forced civilians into labor camps working for minimum rations. In all, over two million civilians were killed. As a result, approximately two million non-Muslim people have been killed by the Islamic Front. And it goes on and on and on and on, even in modern times. http://www.genocidewatch.org/genocidetable.htm There are ample resources to research this topic online. It is truly tragic that any nation in the world would adopt Holocaust Denial laws. We have very little freedoms left, and those salivating in this thread to see anyone prosecuted for his/her justified/convoluted views on the tragedy affecting others are truly pathetic. 'In Germany, they first came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Trade Unionists. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and no one was left to speak up.' (attributed to Pastor Martin Niemoeller, Dachau, Germany, 1941) Perhaps now it should read, In America, they first came for the Jews, and I had to speak up since I feared prosecution, then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up since they were not Jewish, Then they came for the Protestants, and I didn't speak up since they were not Jewish, Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I didn't speak up since they were not Jewish, etc, (fill in your own lines) Of course, those of you that are Jewish will likely react vehemently, just as so many Jewish people did concerning "The Passion of the Christ", you remember, the movie that was going to destroy Mel Gibson, but that did quite the opposite. I remember the spokespeople from various Jewish groups airing their view on how awful the movie was, though they never saw it. Even when it became evident that they (the spokespeople and the Jewish public at large) were carrying things to a ridiculous extreme they nevertheless continued with their tirades. G-d bless Israel and the Jewish people, (I believe that he already has), and may G-d bring us understanding in our interrelations with them. http://www.nkusa.org/ http://www.jewsforjesus.org/ http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/ http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/ Menorahs and more, I am serious, I like this site, but have not purchased from there as of yet. http://www.anymenorah.com Dr. Artaud You aren't free to express your thoughts - IF they don't meet the politically correct mold - especially if your thoughts and speech happen to deny the holocaust! Hasn't there been one or more folks arrested in Germany for a book they wrote in the U.S? Well, Here's one whisked off to Germany, from Canada, so they could face the charge of denying the holocaust! |
Some interesting links you provided - as well as the comments.
======== Dr. Artaud wrote: big snip http://www.nkusa.org/ http://www.jewsforjesus.org/ http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/ http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/ snip |
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BDK wrote:
..I'm French, Irish, and supposedly, Native American. Not Jewish BDK Some people don't seem to really know until it is convenient to expose the fact -- or when certain other events happen. 1) Didn't Clinton's "Fulbright" suddenly learn that she was jewish? Oh, the hot air balloon concerning some former Russian satellite country wanting to run her for president was probably just preparing the U.S. people to accept the Cal. governor as a presidential candidate. Some say he and Hillary may go head to head in '08. 2) I heard of another lady who found out when she was attempting to get her name of the Catholic roles, I believe. Seems her parents had become cryptic jews and were posing as Catholics. Don't recall all the details, but expect I'll run across them again. |
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the real motive smacks of nothing less stomach churning than a
startlingly virulent antiGermanism. keep your eye on these scum, and their incitement, theyre next on the hate hit-list. "truth is no defense" |
Mike wrote:
In article , Al Patrick wrote: You aren't free to express your thoughts - IF they don't meet the politically correct mold - especially if your thoughts and speech happen to deny the holocaust! Hasn't there been one or more folks arrested in Germany for a book they wrote in the U.S? Well, Here's one whisked off to Germany, from Canada, so they could face the charge of denying the holocaust! Good. This is not "free speech". It is trying to re-write history. Maybe they should re-open Auschwitz for this dumbass, and lock him up in it. Mike [...] Really? It _isn't_ free speech? What other historical opinions should I be locked up for holding? If I publish a dissident view on WWI, or the Salem witch trials, should I also be jailed because I am trying to "rewrite history"? Should historians who rock the boat with new theories or ideas be locked up, too? Are we _absolutely sure_ that the court historians of today are right on everything, and infallibly so? Are their opinions so holy that they deserve to be "protected" by imprisoning those who differ? See: http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=4669 and http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=4667 By the way, Mr. Zundel's radio program was not _American Dissident Voices_. That's my show, which first went on the air in 1991. I believe Mr. Zundel's show was called _The Voice of Freedom_. With every good wish, -- Kevin Alfred Strom. News: http://www.nationalvanguard.org/ The Works of R. P. Oliver: http://www.revilo-oliver.com Personal site: http://www.kevin-strom.com |
clvrmnky wrote:
[...] When he couldn't make a go of it in the U.S., he returned to Canada. [...] That's completely false. He was kidnapped from his home in Tennessee and sent to Canada in chains. See: http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=422 With every good wish, -- Kevin Alfred Strom. News: http://www.nationalvanguard.org/ The Works of R. P. Oliver: http://www.revilo-oliver.com Personal site: http://www.kevin-strom.com |
nerst7000 wrote:
[...] ...it ain't nice either if the communiques Zundel used were specifically designed and coded to do an end-run around plain speech understanding, but yet intended to incite violence and a hatred of Jews in general. [...] False. This was never even alleged. [...] In case you were not aware of it, Ernst Zundel is a GERMAN CITIZEN. He is not a Canadian Citizen. He fled to Canada on a visa about a week before he was to be picked up by the German Authorities on Political Incitement charges. Again, completely false. He was kidnapped on false charges by jackbooted goons in the U.S., and shipped to Canada without trial and without his consent. His trial in Canada was in secret and he was not allowed to confront witnesses or even see the secret evidence against him. [...] (I also assume you didn't hear on this evening's news also that a Federal Judge in IL had her husband and elderly mother *killed in her home* because she ruled against the leader of another related Domestic hate group, the World Church of The Creator. So you see, people like Zundel are SCUM who need to be locked away in a 12 by 15 where their ideas cannot further incite these two or more goons who killed members of this Federal Judge's family as a reprisal. [...] Also false. The judge in question had actually ruled _in favor_ of the pro-White church in question. See this piece by prominent attorney Edgar Steele: http://nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=4677 With every good wish, -- Kevin Alfred Strom. News: http://www.nationalvanguard.org/ The Works of R. P. Oliver: http://www.revilo-oliver.com Personal site: http://www.kevin-strom.com |
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