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7600GR Vs SAT 800
I have a Sony 7600GR. Will I get much better performance from a new
Grundig SAT 800? I think I can get a reconditioned Grundig for around $400. I am just wondering if it's worth nearly $300 more than the Sony. Any help appreciated. |
Ducky wrote: I have a Sony 7600GR. Will I get much better performance from a new Grundig SAT 800? I think I can get a reconditioned Grundig for around $400. I am just wondering if it's worth nearly $300 more than the Sony. Any help appreciated. A Satellit 800 will be a step up from a 7600GR, but will it be worth $300? I sure don't think so. Why not spend that money on a used tabletop? You'll get way more bang for the buck that way. Several Lowe HF-150s have gone for around that on Ebay recently. Mind you, it's a little weird to call the 150 a tabletop in contrast to the 800 when the 800 is about 15 times the size of the 150. :) Best, Steve |
the satellit 800 is a desktop
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A friend of mine is upstate new york sold his 150 to get an 800, says
it is a better radio |
Everyone has a right to their own opinion, of course. I personally find
your friend's decision to be absolutely mindboggling, but hey...it's not the first time my mind has been boggled and it sure won't be the last! Steve |
Hello Ducky!
Both radios are superb within their categories. When considering absolute reception, the Satellit 800 is a superior radio to the ICF-SW7600GR. HOWEVER --- have you tried using a really good antenna with your '7600? Please remember (and note well) that the ANTENNA is far more important to good reception than is the radio. A good DXer can achieve far more with a '7600 and a good antenna than someone else with a Satellit 800 and a mediocre antenna. Though it would be overkill to buy a Wellbrook ALA 330S antenna for a Sony portable, just for the "heck" of it I attached my Wellbrook to the Sony. You should have heard the signals "pouring" in! (Of course the Satellit 800 is better yet.) That said, if you are truly interested in good short wave reception and are willing to erect a proper antenna, then "yes" the Satellit 800 is EASILY worth the $300. Best, Joe Ducky wrote: I have a Sony 7600GR. Will I get much better performance from a new Grundig SAT 800? I think I can get a reconditioned Grundig for around $400. I am just wondering if it's worth nearly $300 more than the Sony. Any help appreciated. |
according to my friend:
800 has 3 useful selectivity choices, the 150 has limited choices 800 has a selectable sideband sync that can be used with a 6KHz filter, the 150 uses only the 2.5 filter the 800 has a bass and treble, 150 none 800 has fast and slow AGC, the 150 none the 800 has a keypad with up and down buttons, the 150 has none the 800 sounds better the 800 has more memories the 800 has better performance the 800 can be bought for less than $300, he got his for $280 including shipping, the 150 cost over $400 he sold his 150 |
Big front-facing speaker. Tone controls. Numeric Keypad included.
More dedicated buttons vs carousel arrangement. The 150 is nice if you have the Key Pad option, an external speaker and computer control (which requires another option). On 4 Mar 2005 05:59:23 -0800, wrote: How so? |
my friend will be at the SWL winterfest, if you want I can put you in
contact with him. |
Actually, your friend's remarks don't surprise me too much, now that I
think about it. I actually saw someone on usenet once claim that the 800 was better than the R8B. (I wonder if it was friend?). In any case, no one disputes that there are more knobs to twist and buttons to push on the 800. And no one denies that the 800 has some significant advantages over the 150, like FM and airband. However, as far as shortwave performance is concerned, the 800 is not even competitive with the 150. I've owned two 800s, so I'm not just making this up; and I don't think the 800 is a bad receiver by any means. On the contrary, I think it's a good, if overpriced, receiver. But it's absurd to compare it to a Lowe, a Palstar or something of that ilk. I'm surprised that this is even an issue, but don't take my word for it....if you ever have a chance, compare them for yourself. One thing I will say is that the 800 sounds better than the 150 when both are using their stock speakers. However, the tables quickly turn if external speakers are involved. In that instance, the 150's audio is vastly superior to the 800s. Sometimes I think that people have a weird since of loyalty to the 800 because it's the last of the royal Grundig line. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's not so great when someone else's money is at stake. Steve |
I have a 150, but neither use nor feel the need for the keypad. I do
recommend an external speaker for the 150, and without an external speaker the 800 sounds better. But the 150 sounds better with external speakers, and it will outperform the 800 and all its buttons and knobs on shortwave every time. I guess it ultimately boils down to what you want. Steve |
I don't think you know what you are talking about. the 150 is not
better than the 800. never was never will be. and it is not better because of FM or AIR or buttons. only an idiot would say the 800 is better than the R8B by the way, my friend also has an RX-340 and is a very knowledgeable radio person. |
everyone can have an opinion, you just don't know what you are talking
about. |
I'm sure he is and if he's happy with his 800, I say more power to him.
I hope he continues to enjoy it for many years to come, in spite of its crappy build quality. Steve |
Apparently I knew enough to hit a nerve.
Steve |
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Joe Analssandrini wrote:
Hello Ducky! Both radios are superb within their categories. When considering absolute reception, the Satellit 800 is a superior radio to the ICF-SW7600GR. HOWEVER --- have you tried using a really good antenna with your '7600? Please remember (and note well) that the ANTENNA is far more important to good reception than is the radio. A good DXer can achieve far more with a '7600 and a good antenna than someone else with a Satellit 800 and a mediocre antenna. Though it would be overkill to buy a Wellbrook ALA 330S antenna for a Sony portable, just for the "heck" of it I attached my Wellbrook to the Sony. You should have heard the signals "pouring" in! (Of course the Satellit 800 is better yet.) That said, if you are truly interested in good short wave reception and are willing to erect a proper antenna, then "yes" the Satellit 800 is EASILY worth the $300. Best, Joe Are you saying that the SAT 800 is more sensitive than the 7600GR? |
Dear Ducky,
It is FAR more sensitive. But remember - sensitivity per se is not the most important attribute of a good short wave radio, at least nowadays, when virtually all short wave radios have sufficient sensitivity. A sensitive receiver will pick up local electrical noise even better than an insensitive one! A radio/antenna combination which will minimize that problem is better than one that won't. Take my advice about buying the AOR WL500 Window Loop Antenna (on a returnable basis) first and try it with your Sony ICF-SW7600GR. If you see an improvement in reception quality, then the Grundig Satellit 800 will certainly outperform (on an absolute basis) the Sony, due to its far superior image rejection, IF filtering, AGC action, etc. In order to improve your reception quality, first you must increase the signal-to-noise ratio. Only an antenna can do that. If you find one that will work well in your location (and I believe the WL500 is one that will), then you can upgrade your shack to a better receiver with the knowledge that you are getting your money's worth. If, after following my advice, you ultimately do buy a Satellit 800, well then you can aspire to someday owning a Wellbrook ALA 330S Active Loop Antenna, the finest antenna being made today. But that will be far into the future. You should find that the Grundig Satellit 800/AOR WL500 combination will afford you excellent reception and many hours of pleasant listening. Best, Joe |
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On 5 Mar 2005 18:24:24 -0800, "D. Martin" wrote:
This is a simple matter of priorities. If shortwave radio is of sufficiant importance, you will upgrade to the better reciever. The "800" is an excellent radio. Darren http://www.geocities.com/apocalyptic121/index.html If you get a good one. |
Joe Analssandrini wrote:
Dear Ducky, It is FAR more sensitive. But remember - sensitivity per se is not the most important attribute of a good short wave radio, at least nowadays, when virtually all short wave radios have sufficient sensitivity. A sensitive receiver will pick up local electrical noise even better than an insensitive one! A radio/antenna combination which will minimize that problem is better than one that won't. Take my advice about buying the AOR WL500 Window Loop Antenna (on a returnable basis) first and try it with your Sony ICF-SW7600GR. If you see an improvement in reception quality, then the Grundig Satellit 800 will certainly outperform (on an absolute basis) the Sony, due to its far superior image rejection, IF filtering, AGC action, etc. In order to improve your reception quality, first you must increase the signal-to-noise ratio. Only an antenna can do that. If you find one that will work well in your location (and I believe the WL500 is one that will), then you can upgrade your shack to a better receiver with the knowledge that you are getting your money's worth. If, after following my advice, you ultimately do buy a Satellit 800, well then you can aspire to someday owning a Wellbrook ALA 330S Active Loop Antenna, the finest antenna being made today. But that will be far into the future. You should find that the Grundig Satellit 800/AOR WL500 combination will afford you excellent reception and many hours of pleasant listening. Best, Joe Please elaborate on why you think the Wellbrook is better than a well built inverted-L with a good grounding system, a la 'Doty'. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
The AOR Loop is a good idea. If you can afford the loop, I suggest you
go for it and you'll get a big improvement in reception on your 7600. If you object to spending so much money on an antenna, you can spend significantly less (less than a hundred bucks, I think) on the Sony AN-LP1 active loop antenna. Probably not as good as the AOR, but a lot cheaper. It would also improve your reception significantly. Steve |
Dear "Starman,"
The person who initiated this post cannot have an outdoor antenna of any type. He lives in an apartment which, of course, has restrictions (read the first letter in this post). That is why I did not even mention an outdoor antenna. In his particular case, he wanted to know if a Grundig Satellit 800 would be "better" than a Sony ICF-SW7600GR. I recommended that he FIRST try an AOR WL500 Window Loop Antenna, the best antenna of its type I have found (it delivers a better signal and affords a better signal-to-noise ratio than, for example, the Sony AN-LP1 antenna, though I like that antenna, especially for travel). I said to him that if the AOR antenna improves his reception on the Sony, the Grundig will definitely offer an improvement. If, however, he notices little or no difference in reception with the AOR antenna over the "wire clipped to antenna" he is currently using, then forget about the Grundig until he moves to a different house. But to answer your particular question, a Wellbrook ALA 330S Active Loop Antenna will probably outperform ANY "real-world" short wave antenna any of us are able to afford due to its great improvement in the S/N ratio of the received signal. Certainly that is the case in the summer when atmospheric noise is at its highest and, of course, in many houses and neighborhoods with nearby electrical wires, street lamps, buried cable-TV wires, computers, fluorescent lights, outdoor "low-voltage" (read: transformers made in China) lighting, etc., etc., etc. The Wellbrook is far less sensitive to the "electrical" component of the particular frequency to which you are tuned. That makes all the difference. A well-built outdoor antenna - a random wire, a sloper, a dipole - will receive more "signal" but will ALSO receive more "noise," thus degrading the listenability of the received signal. If you are in an electrically-quiet area, where there is little or no noise problem of the types described above, the outdoor antenna is definitely the way to go, at least at first. I personally cannot have an outdoor antenna either due to homeowners' association restrictions. The Wellbrook antenna has been like a miracle for me! If I lived in an "ideal" world, however, I would have BOTH - an outdoor long wire AND the Wellbrook. I can tell you, however, that I would probably be using the Wellbrook more, especially in summer! For most people in most situations, I feel that the Wellbrook ALA 330S is positively the best antenna yet designed, certainly the finest antenna I personally have experienced in well over forty years of short wave listening. Best, Joe |
DUCKY,
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