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Advanced antenna solution for noisey suburban area ???
Hiya...
Here is one I could use some help with.... As always, I'm always trying to improve my sw listening capabilities. I have an R-75 and two very good antennas on my roof. One is a G5RV and the other is a 200 foot wire that utilizes a coax feed and matching transformer. Both are very good antennas. I've thought about getting a new radio to improve my capabilities and I've tried a few radios on loan from friends. Those radios include the NRD-545, R8-A and R-5000. I've come to the painful conclusion that the performance problem for me isn't my radio or my antennas. Both are good. The problem for me is my area. I live in the northern NJ suburbs and it is a very noisy area. I've read a bunch of web pages on antennas, but I haven't really found any antenna solutions that boast to be ideal solutions for noisy areas. I've got a fairly good understanding about antennas, but I'm not advanced. Does anyone have ANY ideas as to what would be an ideal antenna solution that would offer me some improvement as far as increasing signal into my radio and limiting noise ??? Money is no object, and neither is effort. I'll spend money on an "out of the box" solution as well as put time into an elaborate home brew project. Performance is key. If it would help to know more about my current antennas, detailed info about both of them is on my web page. The link is in my signature. Any suggestions would be most welcome. -- Respectfully, Michael Location: New Jersey Primary Receiver: R-75 with full Kiwa mods Antennas: G5RV, 200ft "Frankenstein" roof wire Additional Radios: 7600GR,KA-1101,KA-1102 PL-550, KA-989, Info-Mate 837, GE-SR III Westinghouse H-104 (seven tube) Web Site: http://md_dxing.tripod.com |
"Michael" wrote Hiya... Here is one I could use some help with.... As always, I'm always trying to improve my sw listening capabilities. I have an R-75 and two very good antennas on my roof. One is a G5RV and the other is a 200 foot wire that utilizes a coax feed and matching transformer. Both are very good antennas. I've thought about getting a new radio to improve my capabilities and I've tried a few radios on loan from friends. Those radios include the NRD-545, R8-A and R-5000. I've come to the painful conclusion that the performance problem for me isn't my radio or my antennas. Both are good. The problem for me is my area. I live in the northern NJ suburbs and it is a very noisy area. I've read a bunch of web pages on antennas, but I haven't really found any antenna solutions that boast to be ideal solutions for noisy areas. I've got a fairly good understanding about antennas, but I'm not advanced. Does anyone have ANY ideas as to what would be an ideal antenna solution that would offer me some improvement as far as increasing signal into my radio and limiting noise ??? Money is no object, and neither is effort. I'll spend money on an "out of the box" solution as well as put time into an elaborate home brew project. Performance is key. If it would help to know more about my current antennas, detailed info about both of them is on my web page. The link is in my signature. Any suggestions would be most welcome. -- Respectfully, Michael Location: New Jersey Primary Receiver: R-75 with full Kiwa mods Antennas: G5RV, 200ft "Frankenstein" roof wire Additional Radios: 7600GR,KA-1101,KA-1102 PL-550, KA-989, Info-Mate 837, GE-SR III Westinghouse H-104 (seven tube) Web Site: http://md_dxing.tripod.com Michael, you might try the "Wellsbrook Loop" that is so famous in the noisy city-gardens of England. Since the interference you suffer from is not from your own property, the noise-limiting "Hear It", Time-Wave or other processors might also help. Jack Painter Virginia Beach, Virginia |
I can vouch for the Wellbrook 330S. It's very quiet and an all-around
excellent antenna. Might also be worth looking at the ClearSpeech DSP unit. I recently added an old one to my setup and...well, I'm hearing very little white noise. I don't even bother to use the squelch anymore. Steve |
I have a big old wide fartin ass that can solve any radio or antenna
problem. ~Alice~ |
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:57:55 -0500, "Michael"
wrote: If it would help to know more about my current antennas, detailed info about both of them is on my web page. The link is in my signature. Any suggestions would be most welcome. http://www.grove-ent.com/ANC4.html |
Yes, but it generates a whole new set of problems.... :)
Steve |
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You have very good advice re using a Wellbrook ALA 1530/330 as they are
inherently less noisy than wire antenna's. If mounted high on a pole with a rotator you will get a vast improvement on your present setup. See PASSPORT for good reviews on the Wellbrooks Also, you can read my own experiences with active antenna's at the link below -- John Plimmer, Montagu, Western Cape Province, South Africa South 33 d 47 m 32 s, East 20 d 07 m 32 s Icom IC-756 PRO III with MW mods RX Drake R8B, SW8 & ERGO software Sony 7600D GE SRIII BW XCR 30, Braun T1000, Sangean 818 & 803A. Hallicrafters SX-100, Eddystone 940 GE circa 50's radiogram Antenna's RF Systems DX 1 Pro, Datong AD-270 Kiwa MW Loop http://www.dxing.info/about/dxers/plimmer.dx "Michael" wrote in message ... Hiya... Here is one I could use some help with.... As always, I'm always trying to improve my sw listening capabilities. I have an R-75 and two very good antennas on my roof. One is a G5RV and the other is a 200 foot wire that utilizes a coax feed and matching transformer. Both are very good antennas. I've thought about getting a new radio to improve my capabilities and I've tried a few radios on loan from friends. Those radios include the NRD-545, R8-A and R-5000. I've come to the painful conclusion that the performance problem for me isn't my radio or my antennas. Both are good. The problem for me is my area. I live in the northern NJ suburbs and it is a very noisy area. I've read a bunch of web pages on antennas, but I haven't really found any antenna solutions that boast to be ideal solutions for noisy areas. I've got a fairly good understanding about antennas, but I'm not advanced. Does anyone have ANY ideas as to what would be an ideal antenna solution that would offer me some improvement as far as increasing signal into my radio and limiting noise ??? Money is no object, and neither is effort. I'll spend money on an "out of the box" solution as well as put time into an elaborate home brew project. Performance is key. If it would help to know more about my current antennas, detailed info about both of them is on my web page. The link is in my signature. Any suggestions would be most welcome. -- Respectfully, Michael Location: New Jersey Primary Receiver: R-75 with full Kiwa mods Antennas: G5RV, 200ft "Frankenstein" roof wire Additional Radios: 7600GR,KA-1101,KA-1102 PL-550, KA-989, Info-Mate 837, GE-SR III Westinghouse H-104 (seven tube) Web Site: http://md_dxing.tripod.com |
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"Jack Painter" wrote: "Michael" wrote Hiya... Here is one I could use some help with.... As always, I'm always trying to improve my sw listening capabilities. I have an R-75 and two very good antennas on my roof. One is a G5RV and the other is a 200 foot wire that utilizes a coax feed and matching transformer. Both are very good antennas. I've thought about getting a new radio to improve my capabilities and I've tried a few radios on loan from friends. Those radios include the NRD-545, R8-A and R-5000. I've come to the painful conclusion that the performance problem for me isn't my radio or my antennas. Both are good. The problem for me is my area. I live in the northern NJ suburbs and it is a very noisy area. I've read a bunch of web pages on antennas, but I haven't really found any antenna solutions that boast to be ideal solutions for noisy areas. I've got a fairly good understanding about antennas, but I'm not advanced. Does anyone have ANY ideas as to what would be an ideal antenna solution that would offer me some improvement as far as increasing signal into my radio and limiting noise ??? Money is no object, and neither is effort. I'll spend money on an "out of the box" solution as well as put time into an elaborate home brew project. Performance is key. If it would help to know more about my current antennas, detailed info about both of them is on my web page. The link is in my signature. Any suggestions would be most welcome. -- Respectfully, Michael Location: New Jersey Primary Receiver: R-75 with full Kiwa mods Antennas: G5RV, 200ft "Frankenstein" roof wire Additional Radios: 7600GR,KA-1101,KA-1102 PL-550, KA-989, Info-Mate 837, GE-SR III Westinghouse H-104 (seven tube) Web Site: http://md_dxing.tripod.com Michael, you might try the "Wellsbrook Loop" that is so famous in the noisy city-gardens of England. Since the interference you suffer from is not from your own property, the noise-limiting "Hear It", Time-Wave or other processors might also help. Jack and sdaniel13 are giving you good advice. The best shot you have in a noisy area is a small amplified loop. A shielded loop would be best. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 02:38:37 GMT, m II wrote:
wrote: I have a big old wide fartin ass that can solve any radio or antenna problem. ~Alice~ So, Cuhulin..do you dress in women's clothing when you post as Alice? mike You should know! That is the taste of his ass in your mouth right now. |
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See what an ANC-4 does for you; if there's a single noise source
that's most important, it will knock it out. Just use any two of your antennas as inputs. Even if it doesn't help the noise (say it's coming from all over) you can amuse yourself listening underneath MW stations for the what's there. -- Ron Hardin On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk. |
If money is really no object, move (of course, if I lived in NJ, I would
move regardless of the listening conditions). A few acres out in the middle of nowhere would be good. Since you probably want to stay where you are, first thing I would suggest is to get the antennas off the roof and as far away from the house as possible. Of course, feed them with coax so the noise from the house doesn't come in on the feedline. "Michael" wrote in message ... Hiya... Here is one I could use some help with.... As always, I'm always trying to improve my sw listening capabilities. I have an R-75 and two very good antennas on my roof. One is a G5RV and the other is a 200 foot wire that utilizes a coax feed and matching transformer. Both are very good antennas. I've thought about getting a new radio to improve my capabilities and I've tried a few radios on loan from friends. Those radios include the NRD-545, R8-A and R-5000. I've come to the painful conclusion that the performance problem for me isn't my radio or my antennas. Both are good. The problem for me is my area. I live in the northern NJ suburbs and it is a very noisy area. I've read a bunch of web pages on antennas, but I haven't really found any antenna solutions that boast to be ideal solutions for noisy areas. I've got a fairly good understanding about antennas, but I'm not advanced. Does anyone have ANY ideas as to what would be an ideal antenna solution that would offer me some improvement as far as increasing signal into my radio and limiting noise ??? Money is no object, and neither is effort. I'll spend money on an "out of the box" solution as well as put time into an elaborate home brew project. Performance is key. If it would help to know more about my current antennas, detailed info about both of them is on my web page. The link is in my signature. Any suggestions would be most welcome. -- Respectfully, Michael Location: New Jersey Primary Receiver: R-75 with full Kiwa mods Antennas: G5RV, 200ft "Frankenstein" roof wire Additional Radios: 7600GR,KA-1101,KA-1102 PL-550, KA-989, Info-Mate 837, GE-SR III Westinghouse H-104 (seven tube) Web Site: http://md_dxing.tripod.com |
Thank you all for the info... I'm going to put up a Wellbrook loop on a
rotator in the spring. It should be interesting to see how that helps. Thanx again, all !!!! Michael "Jack Painter" wrote in message news:%KOVd.36041$7z6.11098@lakeread04... "Michael" wrote Hiya... Here is one I could use some help with.... As always, I'm always trying to improve my sw listening capabilities. I have an R-75 and two very good antennas on my roof. One is a G5RV and the other is a 200 foot wire that utilizes a coax feed and matching transformer. Both are very good antennas. I've thought about getting a new radio to improve my capabilities and I've tried a few radios on loan from friends. Those radios include the NRD-545, R8-A and R-5000. I've come to the painful conclusion that the performance problem for me isn't my radio or my antennas. Both are good. The problem for me is my area. I live in the northern NJ suburbs and it is a very noisy area. I've read a bunch of web pages on antennas, but I haven't really found any antenna solutions that boast to be ideal solutions for noisy areas. I've got a fairly good understanding about antennas, but I'm not advanced. Does anyone have ANY ideas as to what would be an ideal antenna solution that would offer me some improvement as far as increasing signal into my radio and limiting noise ??? Money is no object, and neither is effort. I'll spend money on an "out of the box" solution as well as put time into an elaborate home brew project. Performance is key. If it would help to know more about my current antennas, detailed info about both of them is on my web page. The link is in my signature. Any suggestions would be most welcome. -- Respectfully, Michael Location: New Jersey Primary Receiver: R-75 with full Kiwa mods Antennas: G5RV, 200ft "Frankenstein" roof wire Additional Radios: 7600GR,KA-1101,KA-1102 PL-550, KA-989, Info-Mate 837, GE-SR III Westinghouse H-104 (seven tube) Web Site: http://md_dxing.tripod.com Michael, you might try the "Wellsbrook Loop" that is so famous in the noisy city-gardens of England. Since the interference you suffer from is not from your own property, the noise-limiting "Hear It", Time-Wave or other processors might also help. Jack Painter Virginia Beach, Virginia |
"-=jd=-" wrote in message ... On Thu 03 Mar 2005 07:57:55p, "Michael" wrote in message : Hiya... Here is one I could use some help with.... As always, I'm always trying to improve my sw listening capabilities. I have an R-75 and two very good antennas on my roof. One is a G5RV and the other is a 200 foot wire that utilizes a coax feed and matching transformer. Both are very good antennas. I've thought about getting a new radio to improve my capabilities and I've tried a few radios on loan from friends. Those radios include the NRD-545, R8-A and R-5000. I've come to the painful conclusion that the performance problem for me isn't my radio or my antennas. Both are good. The problem for me is my area. I live in the northern NJ suburbs and it is a very noisy area. I've read a bunch of web pages on antennas, but I haven't really found any antenna solutions that boast to be ideal solutions for noisy areas. I've got a fairly good understanding about antennas, but I'm not advanced. Does anyone have ANY ideas as to what would be an ideal antenna solution that would offer me some improvement as far as increasing signal into my radio and limiting noise ??? Money is no object, and neither is effort. I'll spend money on an "out of the box" solution as well as put time into an elaborate home brew project. Performance is key. If it would help to know more about my current antennas, detailed info about both of them is on my web page. The link is in my signature. Any suggestions would be most welcome. Before spending a dime, I would do my best to identify/locate the noise sources -OR- identify a location that is least affected (as much as possible) by the noise. That will lead you to the best site for your antenna. It's possible that you may stumble across some way to deal with the noise sources by possibly relocating/reconfiguring your existing antennas Then if the sources of the noise are beyond your control, and if doing something with your existing antennas isn't feasible or won't help, I'd start thinking about a loop on a rotor. Shielded loop, magnetic loop, tuned loop -- all are easy to home-brew. The rotor would be your biggest expense, but it could be one of the smaller/less expensive ones. As for the rest, pvc pipe, fittings and wire are cheap. If it's going to be mounted outside, your loop options are many... Good luck with whatever you decide and let us know the results. -=jd=- Hiya... I dont think there is really any way to isolate what the noise source is... I think there are too many of them.. Houses here are close together and there are power lines all over the place. Noise could pop up for any of a hundred sources. I'm going to try a Wellbrook 330S loop on a rotator. I'll put a mast up on the roof and rig it all up in the spring. It probably will help given that the Wellbrook 330S seems to be known as a very good antenna for noisy areas. I think that may be my best option other then moving out of the area... I hear a lot of good things about Arizona :-) Thanx again !!! Michael |
You might try and borrow a Clear Speech Speaker Many find it is very effective on a variety of noises See Heil Audio URL: http://www.heilsound.com/amateur/cle...ch_speaker.htm -- Lamont Cranston A shadow of my former self |
I know a guy (Michael Smith at Army.mil) who was in Vietnam with me in
1964 and he is from New Jersey.He once said he escaped New Jersey and never looked back.One time at Tan Son Nhut www.tsna.org I says to Michael,I says,Michael,let's catch that Navy shuttle bus to Saigon and get us some wimmins.At first he didn't want to go but I talked him into it.We caught that bus and went to Saigon.He went to a bar and drank beer,I went and found me a woman.A couple of years ago we were emailing back and forth with each other untill I reminded him about that time he backed an Army truck into one of those tall wooden poles that had those lights up there on top of that pole and he knocked that pole flat on the ground.He never did email me anymore after that :{) cuhulin |
There are illegal aliens coming across our borders from Mexico to
Arizona and California and New Mexico and Texas and they might steal your Wellbrook antenna and anything else that isn't locked up or nailed down.There are drug wars going on along our Southern borders too.There is lots of wide open areas here in Mississippi.And we have very mild winters here too.My front yard needs mowing already. cuhulin |
wrote in message ... There are illegal aliens coming across our borders from Mexico to Arizona and California and New Mexico and Texas and they might steal your Wellbrook antenna and anything else that isn't locked up or nailed down.There are drug wars going on along our Southern borders too.There is lots of wide open areas here in Mississippi.And we have very mild winters here too.My front yard needs mowing already. cuhulin Mississippi ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Holey red mud in the tires !!!! |
"BDK" wrote in message ... I had a bad transformer about a half mile from here and when it started up, it was amazingly bad. I had to track it down myself (wasn't hard to find, just a short walk with the dog and I could hear a nearly identical sound like the noise I heard on all my radios, BZZZT!! BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT!, and an occaisonal SNAP! SNAP! When I called the electric company, I got the, "Oh, that one's on our list!" About six months later, it wasn't done and was still about 6 months away from being replaced. A direct hit by lightning moved it all the way to the top of the list a few days later. It was well worth the 5 hours without power to finally get it fixed. BDK Did they ever figure out who hooked the lightning rod to it? :) |
www.visitmississippi.com Travel Guide,Free Travel Guides.Just order
them all,they are free,Free,FREE and I think they include a free video too.Get them in your snail mail box,they won't cost you a cent.All it takes is a few clicks on your keyboard.There is also, www.visitmississippi.org What's with that ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? and red mud in the tires stuff? There isn't much in the way of red mud around here.But since I live here,I guess I wouldn't know,eh? What state do you live in? I have probally been there before. cuhulin |
wrote in message ... www.visitmississippi.com Travel Guide,Free Travel Guides.Just order them all,they are free,Free,FREE and I think they include a free video too.Get them in your snail mail box,they won't cost you a cent.All it takes is a few clicks on your keyboard.There is also, www.visitmississippi.org What's with that ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? and red mud in the tires stuff? There isn't much in the way of red mud around here.But since I live here,I guess I wouldn't know,eh? What state do you live in? I have probally been there before. cuhulin I'm in NJ... Been in the NJ meto areal all my life... BUT.... My line of work (sales) has taken me into just about every state in the USA... I've been in Mississippi... You got red dirt there, man... Aint no hiding it... |
"Michael" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... www.visitmississippi.com Travel Guide,Free Travel Guides.Just order them all,they are free,Free,FREE and I think they include a free video too.Get them in your snail mail box,they won't cost you a cent.All it takes is a few clicks on your keyboard.There is also, www.visitmississippi.org What's with that ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? and red mud in the tires stuff? There isn't much in the way of red mud around here.But since I live here,I guess I wouldn't know,eh? What state do you live in? I have probally been there before. cuhulin I'm in NJ... Been in the NJ meto areal all my life... BUT.... My line of work (sales) has taken me into just about every state in the USA... I've been in Mississippi... You got red dirt there, man... Aint no hiding it... "Aint" nothing wrong with it either... It is still AMERICA |
Has anyone ever posted a schematic of what they believe is the design of
the encapsulated amp' of the Wellbrook-330S? John Plimmer wrote: You have very good advice re using a Wellbrook ALA 1530/330 as they are inherently less noisy than wire antenna's. If mounted high on a pole with a rotator you will get a vast improvement on your present setup. See PASSPORT for good reviews on the Wellbrooks Also, you can read my own experiences with active antenna's at the link below -- John Plimmer ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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, Leonard Martin wrote: In article , "Michael" wrote: "-=jd=-" wrote in message ... On Thu 03 Mar 2005 07:57:55p, "Michael" wrote in message : Hiya... Here is one I could use some help with.... As always, I'm always trying to improve my sw listening capabilities. I have an R-75 and two very good antennas on my roof. One is a G5RV and the other is a 200 foot wire that utilizes a coax feed and matching transformer. Both are very good antennas. I've thought about getting a new radio to improve my capabilities and I've tried a few radios on loan from friends. Those radios include the NRD-545, R8-A and R-5000. I've come to the painful conclusion that the performance problem for me isn't my radio or my antennas. Both are good. The problem for me is my area. I live in the northern NJ suburbs and it is a very noisy area. I've read a bunch of web pages on antennas, but I haven't really found any antenna solutions that boast to be ideal solutions for noisy areas. I've got a fairly good understanding about antennas, but I'm not advanced. Does anyone have ANY ideas as to what would be an ideal antenna solution that would offer me some improvement as far as increasing signal into my radio and limiting noise ??? Money is no object, and neither is effort. I'll spend money on an "out of the box" solution as well as put time into an elaborate home brew project. Performance is key. If it would help to know more about my current antennas, detailed info about both of them is on my web page. The link is in my signature. Any suggestions would be most welcome. Before spending a dime, I would do my best to identify/locate the noise sources -OR- identify a location that is least affected (as much as possible) by the noise. That will lead you to the best site for your antenna. It's possible that you may stumble across some way to deal with the noise sources by possibly relocating/reconfiguring your existing antennas Then if the sources of the noise are beyond your control, and if doing something with your existing antennas isn't feasible or won't help, I'd start thinking about a loop on a rotor. Shielded loop, magnetic loop, tuned loop -- all are easy to home-brew. The rotor would be your biggest expense, but it could be one of the smaller/less expensive ones. As for the rest, pvc pipe, fittings and wire are cheap. If it's going to be mounted outside, your loop options are many... Good luck with whatever you decide and let us know the results. -=jd=- Hiya... I dont think there is really any way to isolate what the noise source is... I think there are too many of them.. Houses here are close together and there are power lines all over the place. Noise could pop up for any of a hundred sources. I'm going to try a Wellbrook 330S loop on a rotator. I'll put a mast up on the roof and rig it all up in the spring. It probably will help given that the Wellbrook 330S seems to be known as a very good antenna for noisy areas. I think that may be my best option other then moving out of the area... I hear a lot of good things about Arizona :-) Thanx again !!! Michael Please don't forget to report your results after you do it! I have the makings of a nice mast and rotator for the Wellbrook right here, and it might solve my similar problems! I'm not sending an email copy as requested. I post responses to the news group. Change your defaults please. This is not an advanced idea but a good one and as far as I know the best solution. I don't think the rotor will be worth the time and money though. Just point it for east - west reception and that will most likely be the best you can do. The rotor will only let you select, which of two competing stations you hear on a channel if in different directions. I doubt you will use it to null a local noise source since you should not picking them up in the first place. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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