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Ernst Zundel-Correction
It was pointed out here a while back that Ernst Zundel was not involved with the
program 'American Dissident Voices' but rather was involved with the program 'Voice of Freedom'... That program apparently was carried at least by WRNO back in the early 90's. dxAce Michigan USA |
That minor 'correction' is still regardless of the
facts that Zundel is a neo-nazi Israeli hating scumbag who incited people like Mcveigh, Nichols and their ilk. ADV and VoF b'csts were two of the same, period. Hopefully he will now slowly die in some isolation cell in Germany now that he's back on his "native soil". Now wouldn't that be the irony to end all.......? ; ) ---------- ps: Here's something that will drive the right wing whackjobs completely nuts -- Zundel convicted and M. Jackson walks... (just wait an see) "dxAce" wrote in message ... It was pointed out here a while back that Ernst Zundel was not involved with the program 'American Dissident Voices' but rather was involved with the program 'Voice of Freedom'... That program apparently was carried at least by WRNO back in the early 90's. dxAce Michigan USA |
Of the loving Israelis:
http://www.ussliberty.org/ "Menachem Begin He was responsible for the bombing of Jerusalem's King David Hotel, at that time a British administrative and military headquarters, that killed 91 people." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menachem_Begin "Yitzhak Shamir After Stern was killed by the British in 1942, Shamir escaped from the detention camp and became one of the three leaders of the group in 1943, reforming it as "Lehi". During his tenure, the Lehi was responsible for many deeds, including the 1944 assassination of Britain's minister of state for the Middle East, Lord Moyne, and the 1948 assassination of the United Nations representative in the Middle East, Count Folke Bernadotte." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Shamir Ariel Sharon "The present Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, has long been involved in terror. In 1983, he was found indirectly, but personally, responsible for a civilian massacre by Lebanese militia in two Palestinian refugee camps. At least 800 innocent men, women and children were murdered in cold blood, most of them Palestinians, after Sharon ordered his men to allow the militiamen access to the camps. .....which between 460 and 3500 Palestinian civilians in the refugee camps were killed." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Sharon For some reason, when U.S. Allies are involved, it's freedom fighting, when anyone else does the same thing, it's terror. Go Figure. "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. Matt 7:1-6 Dr. Artaud P.S. is the following your post from the Alt.tasteless newsgroup? Found it from a Google Group Search. Do you have your trailer paid off yet? You can tell a person by the company that they keep. "wagginitproud" wrote in message "ah fer **** sakes there were less than 20 plants on psycho boys' property. he just hated cops plain and simple. snuck up on them and blew them away. the details get more interesting by the day. he got nailed at some point fer ****ing a teen boy etc... spent some time in jail a coupla years..no different than trailer trash in the south US "wagginitproud" wrote in groups.com: That minor 'correction' is still regardless of the facts that Zundel is a neo-nazi Israeli hating scumbag who incited people like Mcveigh, Nichols and their ilk. ADV and VoF b'csts were two of the same, period. Hopefully he will now slowly die in some isolation cell in Germany now that he's back on his "native soil". Now wouldn't that be the irony to end all.......? ; ) |
For some reason, when U.S. Allies are involved, it's freedom fighting, when anyone else does the same thing, it's terror. Go Figure. Ditto for the Islamic States. You decide who are the "freedom fighters". Then defect! |
Just what is a "neo-nazi".
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"Li Changchun" wrote in
: Nowhere is my post endorsing Islamic States. You have engaged in the same subterfuge so common to someone incapable of addressing the facts, i.e. say something irrelevant to the point. Did you peruse the information at the listed links, or merely judge them as untrue as they don't support your view on life? Wrong is wrong, regardless of who perpetrates it. The Israelis were wrong in the cited examples. The Arabs are wrong in the continuing acts of terrorism. Nothing is going to change in world politics if we continue to focus on specific groups and exonerate other groups of the same crimes. Have you ever watched movies (I'm sure that you have). At least the movies produced in America have stereotypical villains. Republicans, Germans, Christians, Arabs, and Caucasians. That's about the extent. Movie after movie inculcating the public that people from these groups are not to be trusted. All men are stupid, all women are single (or single mothers),and all Arabs are crazy machinegun toting maniacs. How is this going to help anything? And you, I see that you are with the "Chinese Communist Party". How exactly do you enter the fray of the discussion? History has rightly condemned the acts of the Nazis during WWII, but has been stifled on the cases that I cited. People should have free access to the facts and be able to come to their own conclusions, not have them forced on them by politically correct mores. Regards Dr. Artaud P.S., are you involved in shortwave and are you from China? (This may be self evident to others on the group, pardon me if this is something that I should have noticed from other posts). Do you know the times in UTC and frequencies for English Language shows from China? For some reason, when U.S. Allies are involved, it's freedom fighting, when anyone else does the same thing, it's terror. Go Figure. Ditto for the Islamic States. You decide who are the "freedom fighters". Then defect! |
Well, I am certainly gratified to learn that your definition agrees
with mine and that we both are adept at using the dictionary. However "wagginitproud" was the one who used that phrase, and I suspect he has no idea what the real meaning is. I was hoping that he would respond, but alas no. Having read his post I suspect he is quite adept at throwing around phrases and otherwise performing public mind dumps, with little understanding of what the words mean. Like the term Nazi. |
To be more specific Dr. Utopia did not, does not and will never exist.
If you believe that Islam is the path to social redemption then take that path. If you believe that Democracy is the correct path then follow it. If you are accosted while embarked choose your weapon. If you do not choose a weapon you will simply cease to exist. Mankind has fought over "ideologies" since the beginning of time. It is embedded in his nature. Let nature takes its course. For it will be nature who most benefits. "* Dr. Artaud *" wrote in message ... "Li Changchun" wrote in : Nowhere is my post endorsing Islamic States. You have engaged in the same subterfuge so common to someone incapable of addressing the facts, i.e. say something irrelevant to the point. Did you peruse the information at the listed links, or merely judge them as untrue as they don't support your view on life? Wrong is wrong, regardless of who perpetrates it. The Israelis were wrong in the cited examples. The Arabs are wrong in the continuing acts of terrorism. Nothing is going to change in world politics if we continue to focus on specific groups and exonerate other groups of the same crimes. Have you ever watched movies (I'm sure that you have). At least the movies produced in America have stereotypical villains. Republicans, Germans, Christians, Arabs, and Caucasians. That's about the extent. Movie after movie inculcating the public that people from these groups are not to be trusted. All men are stupid, all women are single (or single mothers),and all Arabs are crazy machinegun toting maniacs. How is this going to help anything? And you, I see that you are with the "Chinese Communist Party". How exactly do you enter the fray of the discussion? History has rightly condemned the acts of the Nazis during WWII, but has been stifled on the cases that I cited. People should have free access to the facts and be able to come to their own conclusions, not have them forced on them by politically correct mores. Regards Dr. Artaud P.S., are you involved in shortwave and are you from China? (This may be self evident to others on the group, pardon me if this is something that I should have noticed from other posts). Do you know the times in UTC and frequencies for English Language shows from China? For some reason, when U.S. Allies are involved, it's freedom fighting, when anyone else does the same thing, it's terror. Go Figure. Ditto for the Islamic States. You decide who are the "freedom fighters". Then defect! |
This religious war has been fought for centuries - the religious borders
between Judeo/Christians and Muslims and their influence on geopolitical borders in European & M.E. States. It should come as no surprise to free westerners that Islamic states must use the brutal dictatorship of socialist/communist fascism, under the guise of the Koran, to remain in power. ________________________________________________ Christian-Sunni opposition rejects new pro-Syrian government Beirut (AsiaNews) - Lebanon's Christian opposition has called the reappointment of Omar Karami to the post of Prime Minister "Rafik Hariri's second assassination" and has said it would not participate in the new pro-Syrian government. .... The Christian opposition yesterday met at Kornet Chehawan in the presence of the Maronite Bishop of Antelias and under the auspices of Maronite Patriarch Nasrallah Sfeir. In a statement released after the meeting, the members of the Christian opposition urged all Lebanese to pursue the struggle for Lebanon's independence from Syria and expressed their solidarity with the other sectors of the opposition, i.e. Sunnis and Druze. .... http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=2749 ________________________________________________ Hizbullah Leader Nasrallah at Pro-Syrian Beirut Rally: If U.S. Navy Fleet Returns to Lebanon They Will Be Defeated Again http://memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=594%20 "We say to Syria, as your president, Bashar Al-Assad has said: "In Lebanon, your presence in not material or military. You are present in the souls, the hearts, the minds, the present, the past, and the future." I say to you, no one can get Syria out of Lebanon, or out of its mind, its heart, and its future. "We emphasize that any mechanism for Syria's remaining or withdrawing from Lebanon must be subject only to the Al-Taef agreement. We, who are gathered here, have come to tell the world that we reject resolution 1559. "Lebanon is a unique case. Lebanon is not like Somalia, in case you are thinking of military intervention. Lebanon is not Ukraine. Lebanon is not Ukraine. Lebanon is not Georgia. Lebanon is Lebanon, a unique case in this world. If there are those who think that they can bring this country down, with its regime, its security, its stability, and its strategic choices, with their connections, their positions and sponsors, with some demonstrations, some scarves, some slogans, and some the media - then they are wrong. "I address the following to America. I address the following to America. I say to President Bush. And to Ms. Condoleezza Rice. and to the American-Lebanese field commander, Satterfield: You are wrong about Lebanon. You are wrong about Lebanon. Lebanon rejects the partition. Lebanon rejects civil strife. "Lebanon rejects defeat. And I say to you, this Lebanon rejects death. Never will Lebanon change its name, its history, its identity, or its attire. Lebanon will not tear off its skin, or throw its heart to your soldiers' dogs so they will eat it. Lebanon will remain the Lebanon of the homeland, of Arab identity, the Lebanon of the resistance, the Lebanon of the entire nation. "I ask you. You can make yourself heard by the commander of the American forces in the region, who is of Lebanese origin, John Abizaid - Are you Lebanese afraid of the American naval fleets? These naval fleets have come in the past, and were defeated, and if they come again, they will be defeated again. I say to the Americans: 'Don't interfere in our internal affairs. "Let us be, and keep your ambassador in his embassy in Awkar. He should let us Lebanese be. We Lebanese are the most devoted to our homeland, to defending our homeland, to the existence of our state, to our national unity, to our life together, and to our internal peace. Remove your fingers - the fingers of civil strife - from our country. "To Syria we say: Long live Assad's Syria! Long live Assad's Syria! Long live Assad's Syria! Long live Assad's Syria! Long live Assad's Syria! Long live Assad's Syria! The den of the lion (Assad) in Damascus will remain a den for all the lions of Lebanon." http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD87805 "* Dr. Artaud *" wrote in message ... "Li Changchun" wrote in : Nowhere is my post endorsing Islamic States. You have engaged in the same subterfuge so common to someone incapable of addressing the facts, i.e. say something irrelevant to the point. Did you peruse the information at the listed links, or merely judge them as untrue as they don't support your view on life? Wrong is wrong, regardless of who perpetrates it. The Israelis were wrong in the cited examples. The Arabs are wrong in the continuing acts of terrorism. Nothing is going to change in world politics if we continue to focus on specific groups and exonerate other groups of the same crimes. Have you ever watched movies (I'm sure that you have). At least the movies produced in America have stereotypical villains. Republicans, Germans, Christians, Arabs, and Caucasians. That's about the extent. Movie after movie inculcating the public that people from these groups are not to be trusted. All men are stupid, all women are single (or single mothers),and all Arabs are crazy machinegun toting maniacs. How is this going to help anything? And you, I see that you are with the "Chinese Communist Party". How exactly do you enter the fray of the discussion? History has rightly condemned the acts of the Nazis during WWII, but has been stifled on the cases that I cited. People should have free access to the facts and be able to come to their own conclusions, not have them forced on them by politically correct mores. Regards Dr. Artaud P.S., are you involved in shortwave and are you from China? (This may be self evident to others on the group, pardon me if this is something that I should have noticed from other posts). Do you know the times in UTC and frequencies for English Language shows from China? For some reason, when U.S. Allies are involved, it's freedom fighting, when anyone else does the same thing, it's terror. Go Figure. Ditto for the Islamic States. You decide who are the "freedom fighters". Then defect! |
"Li Changchun" wrote in
: Offered as an aside, and not directed to your post (response) specifically, the following: So far as I can tell, any country in recent history that has been exposed to the U.S. Air Force or U.S. Navy has come away from the dealing quite damaged. I can see the struggle that the U.S. is having in its ground conflict in Iraq, perhaps a different story. We have gone through the "Mother of All Wars" scenario with the Mideast, and I do not believe that bombastic speech is going to help their situation concerning how seriously the world takes them. Improvements in technology even since the mid 80s, and the current administration in the U.S. would certainly bode catastrophe for any opponent to the U.S. Air Force or U.S. Navy. Oh, and by the by, when was the U.S. Navy defeated the first time? Dr. Artaud Hizbullah Leader Nasrallah at Pro-Syrian Beirut Rally: If U.S. Navy Fleet Returns to Lebanon They Will Be Defeated Again http://memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=594%20 |
Dr., it simply makes for a wonderful study of propaganda.
"* Dr. Artaud *" wrote in message ... "Li Changchun" wrote in : Offered as an aside, and not directed to your post (response) specifically, the following: So far as I can tell, any country in recent history that has been exposed to the U.S. Air Force or U.S. Navy has come away from the dealing quite damaged. I can see the struggle that the U.S. is having in its ground conflict in Iraq, perhaps a different story. We have gone through the "Mother of All Wars" scenario with the Mideast, and I do not believe that bombastic speech is going to help their situation concerning how seriously the world takes them. Improvements in technology even since the mid 80s, and the current administration in the U.S. would certainly bode catastrophe for any opponent to the U.S. Air Force or U.S. Navy. Oh, and by the by, when was the U.S. Navy defeated the first time? Dr. Artaud Hizbullah Leader Nasrallah at Pro-Syrian Beirut Rally: If U.S. Navy Fleet Returns to Lebanon They Will Be Defeated Again http://memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=594%20 |
* Dr. Artaud * wrote:
"Li Changchun" wrote in : Oh, and by the by, when was the U.S. Navy defeated the first time? 11 Oct 1776 to the British on Lake Champlain ? |
uncle arnie wrote in news:11396p365kfsk60
@corp.supernews.com: Come on now, I meant "recent history", though by the construction of the sentence, your interpretation would be more valid. LOL Dr. Artaud * Dr. Artaud * wrote: "Li Changchun" wrote in : Oh, and by the by, when was the U.S. Navy defeated the first time? 11 Oct 1776 to the British on Lake Champlain ? |
"Li Changchun" wrote in
: True. I don't think that most people give the prevalence of propaganda much thought. I'm always incredulous when some of my co-workers unquestioningly accept mainstream news stories. Not that these stories are untrue, sometimes they are, sometimes not, but even the frequency of the airing of the stories and the tone in which the stories are presented constitute propaganda. Anti-Smoking propaganda campaigns are maddening. Any sensible person would realize that smoking is seriously bad for your health, yet every day, some new study is released showing that tropical fish raised in the homes of smokers are more likely to have breast or prostate cancer than those raised in non-smokers homes. (I am being facetious here). Oddly enough, because the perceived outcome of the anti-smoking campaigns is good, the campaign itself is not perceived as propaganda, yet it is. Dr. Artaud Dr., it simply makes for a wonderful study of propaganda. "* Dr. Artaud *" wrote in message ... "Li Changchun" wrote in : So far as I can tell, any country in recent history that has been exposed to the U.S. Air Force or U.S. Navy has come away from the dealing quite damaged. I can see the struggle that the U.S. is having in its ground conflict in Iraq, perhaps a different story. Hizbullah Leader Nasrallah at Pro-Syrian Beirut Rally: If U.S. Navy Fleet Returns to Lebanon They Will Be Defeated Again http://memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=594%20 |
"uncle arnie" wrote in message ... To continue my misinterpretation, I don't thing the British did as well in the War of 1812. They lost on Lake Erie and Lake Champlain. Think they were winning in the Atlantic though. There was a strange little war on the west coast in the 1840's also, over some little island or something and if I recall both countries disavowed it and had it settled by a commission later. I'll shut up about now. Hmmm. I wonder if you're referring to the San Juan Island "Pig War". http://www.outwestnewspaper.com/pigwars.html "The Pig War began on June 15, 1859, when an American settler named Lyman Cutlar shot and killed a trespassing pig belonging to Englishman Charles Griffin of the Hudson Bay Company. "It was eating my potatoes," said Cutlar, who had already warned Griffin to keep his pig out his potato patch. "It is up to you to keep your potatoes out of my pig," was Griffin's reply." I'd say Cutlar did just that. Makes me proud to be an American. ;) |
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