What's the future of shortwave?
 

I'm thinking of getting into shortwave radio (listening to it, at
least), but I've heard a lot about satellite radio, the internet, and
problems with power lines making shortwave a moot point. What's the
future of shortwave radio? Will it stick around in its current form?
Is it worth it to even buy a set, or am I better off just listening
online?

Thanks!

gort581 wrote:
I'm thinking of getting into shortwave radio (listening to it, at
least), but I've heard a lot about satellite radio, the internet, and
problems with power lines making shortwave a moot point. What's the
future of shortwave radio? Will it stick around in its current form?
Is it worth it to even buy a set, or am I better off just listening
online?

Thanks!

Setting concerns about BPL to one side, shortwave isn't going anywhere.
Why would it? It's not like there's only room enough for a single
medium of information in the world. When satellite radio and the
internet lead to the closing of all newspapers, movie theaters,
conventional FM and MW station, publishing houses, etc., then start to
worry. But that's never going to happen.

It might turn out that shortwave isn't as commercially viable as some
other media. This, in fact, is how I *hope* things play out. Granted,
it will result it more major broadcasters moving to other media, but it
will thereby clear up a lot of bandwidth for smaller broadcasters, much
more interesting content, and awesome DX opportunities.

So, you have more reason to buy a shortwave radio now than you ever did
before.

Steve

PS: Oh, and I'd be willing to wager that, ten years from now (if not
five years from now), we'll all be straining to remember exactly what
"DRM" was.

"gort581" wrote in message
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What's the future of shortwave radio? Will it stick around in its
current form?
Is it worth it to even buy a set, or am I better off just listening
online?

I would buy a set as they are cheap and portable. There is good radio on the
internet & satellite but for me it does not match the thrill of DXing, I
think shortwave will survive, even if the major broadcasters continue to
give it up, there's new opportunities for lower power and exotic stations to
be heard.

Looking to the future hopefully shortwave DRM will open up new
possibilities.

73s

Mike (a dxer since the 60s)

Mike

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Is it worth it to even buy a set, or am I better off just listening
online?

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gort581 wrote:

I'm thinking of getting into shortwave radio (listening to it, at
least), but I've heard a lot about satellite radio, the internet, and
problems with power lines making shortwave a moot point. What's the
future of shortwave radio? Will it stick around in its current form?
Is it worth it to even buy a set, or am I better off just listening
online?

Thanks!

There is less specifically directed at various places broadcasters feel
might listen with other means: N. American, Pacific. That said, this
cleans up the clutter and allows us to hear stuff not directed our way like
things intended for Africa or Asia. Right now the new technology looks
pretty neat to many. But I wonder if the radio for a fee concept will end
up where TV is. Limited on the free airwaves and more of the same crap via
fee. You know: so many channels, nothing worth watching. FWIW, SW does
have lots worth hearing still, I spend most evenings and early mornings
tuned to something, and it's got more than what I can get locally.

DRM =QRM

wrote:


gort581 wrote:
I'm thinking of getting into shortwave radio (listening to it, at
least), but I've heard a lot about satellite radio, the internet, and
problems with power lines making shortwave a moot point. What's the
future of shortwave radio? Will it stick around in its current form?
Is it worth it to even buy a set, or am I better off just listening
online?

Thanks!

Setting concerns about BPL to one side, shortwave isn't going anywhere.
Why would it? It's not like there's only room enough for a single
medium of information in the world. When satellite radio and the
internet lead to the closing of all newspapers, movie theaters,
conventional FM and MW station, publishing houses, etc., then start to
worry. But that's never going to happen.

It might turn out that shortwave isn't as commercially viable as some
other media. This, in fact, is how I *hope* things play out. Granted,
it will result it more major broadcasters moving to other media, but it
will thereby clear up a lot of bandwidth for smaller broadcasters, much
more interesting content, and awesome DX opportunities.

So, you have more reason to buy a shortwave radio now than you ever did
before.

I hope that the only real commercial SW stations in the world-outside of
the third world tropical banders-the US kook stations find that kook
radio isn't viable in the next few years and switch to less weird
programming or shut down altogether. Those stations are like the old
Soviet blasters, all over the place and with signals so strong that they
take up 10 khz of space on the dial. So far Bill Cooper is the only
major kook to self destruct, although after Gene Scott's death I predict
his stations like Caribbean Beacon will eventually wither away and die.
I mean, how much money can the Wal Mart crowd give to their favorite
kooks before they decide that they're either tapped out or that the
apocalypse isn't coming and cut off the funds? If that happens, then
most kooks who don't have local congregations (like Gene Scott did in
LA) will go away, and there will be a lot of excess transmitter
capacity.


Steve

PS: Oh, and I'd be willing to wager that, ten years from now (if not
five years from now), we'll all be straining to remember exactly what
"DRM" was.

Anybody remember Beta videotapes? Didn't think so.


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In article , running dogg wrote:

Snip

It's look'in good. Good propagation today.

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Telamon
Ventura, California

The question isn't "Should I buy a shortwave radio?"

The question is "Should I get rid of my television?"

Steve

wrote:

The question isn't "Should I buy a shortwave radio?"

The question is "Should I get rid of my television?"

Old burnt out TVs are readily available in the back alleys of
Sacramento's Midtown District. I thought of taking one home, taking
pictures of me smashing it with a sledgehammer, then making a flyer with
the pic and the tagline KILL YOUR TV and posting them everywhere.

I should note that one rarely finds radios of any kind, even cheap
boomboxes, in the alleys. Just TVs-when the CRT dies they're useless. I
once found an old two tube portable record player, though, covered in
tweed, but the motor was bad.

I watch my TV for about an hour a day-a half hour for local news and a
half hour for national news. If I'm up late I may watch the 10pm news.


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Continuing this topic...I believe someone else brought up on this board
a while ago, that one of the most requested items for victims of the
tsunami in southern Asia were radios. Gee, with the prevalence of
internet radio and satellites, one wouldn't think of those
anymore...also, during the September 11th attacks, when cell phone
towers were down in New York, ham radios still worked.

Radio (and shortwave) aren't going anywhere.

Invader3K wrote:

Continuing this topic...I believe someone else brought up on this board
a while ago, that one of the most requested items for victims of the
tsunami in southern Asia were radios. Gee, with the prevalence of
internet radio and satellites, one wouldn't think of those
anymore...also, during the September 11th attacks, when cell phone
towers were down in New York, ham radios still worked.

Radio (and shortwave) aren't going anywhere.


Shortwave radio is the only truly global information medium that can't
be censored, controlled by a handful of megaentities, or blocked.
Shortwave signals can't be grabbed and burned like a newspaper or a
computer disc. Shortwave isn't dependent on some omniscient controller
to decide what gets through the filter-SW has no filter.


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In article , running dogg wrote:

Invader3K wrote:

Continuing this topic...I believe someone else brought up on this board
a while ago, that one of the most requested items for victims of the
tsunami in southern Asia were radios. Gee, with the prevalence of
internet radio and satellites, one wouldn't think of those
anymore...also, during the September 11th attacks, when cell phone
towers were down in New York, ham radios still worked.

Radio (and shortwave) aren't going anywhere.


Shortwave radio is the only truly global information medium that can't
be censored, controlled by a handful of megaentities, or blocked.
Shortwave signals can't be grabbed and burned like a newspaper or a
computer disc. Shortwave isn't dependent on some omniscient controller
to decide what gets through the filter-SW has no filter.

Yes, but they are trying to do this with DRM.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

In article , running dogg wrote:

wrote:

The question isn't "Should I buy a shortwave radio?"

The question is "Should I get rid of my television?"

Old burnt out TVs are readily available in the back alleys of
Sacramento's Midtown District. I thought of taking one home, taking
pictures of me smashing it with a sledgehammer, then making a flyer with
the pic and the tagline KILL YOUR TV and posting them everywhere.

I should note that one rarely finds radios of any kind, even cheap
boomboxes, in the alleys. Just TVs-when the CRT dies they're useless. I
once found an old two tube portable record player, though, covered in
tweed, but the motor was bad.

I watch my TV for about an hour a day-a half hour for local news and a
half hour for national news. If I'm up late I may watch the 10pm news.

You don't want to go this. The CRT is under vacuum and if shattered it
will implode followed by an explosion of glass. Cut and break the neck
first, then you can smash the tube.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 04:33:09 GMT, Telamon
wrote:

In article , running dogg wrote:

wrote:

The question isn't "Should I buy a shortwave radio?"

The question is "Should I get rid of my television?"

Old burnt out TVs are readily available in the back alleys of
Sacramento's Midtown District. I thought of taking one home, taking
pictures of me smashing it with a sledgehammer, then making a flyer with
the pic and the tagline KILL YOUR TV and posting them everywhere.

I should note that one rarely finds radios of any kind, even cheap
boomboxes, in the alleys. Just TVs-when the CRT dies they're useless. I
once found an old two tube portable record player, though, covered in
tweed, but the motor was bad.

I watch my TV for about an hour a day-a half hour for local news and a
half hour for national news. If I'm up late I may watch the 10pm news.

You don't want to go this. The CRT is under vacuum and if shattered it
will implode followed by an explosion of glass. Cut and break the neck
first, then you can smash the tube.
And vaporized lead.

"running dogg" wrote

Shortwave radio is the only truly global information medium that can't
be censored, controlled by a handful of megaentities...

I would consider China, N.Korea, Cuba, Iran, Syria, Vietnam, Pakistan,
and many others to very heavilly censored and controlled.

Shortwave signals can't be grabbed and burned like a newspaper or a
computer disc. Shortwave isn't dependent on some omniscient controller
to decide what gets through the filter-SW has no filter.

I guess it is all between the ears of the beholder.

Li Changchun wrote:


"running dogg" wrote

Shortwave radio is the only truly global information medium that can't
be censored, controlled by a handful of megaentities...

I would consider China, N.Korea, Cuba, Iran, Syria, Vietnam, Pakistan,
and many others to very heavilly censored and controlled.

I'm talking about the medium of shortwave radio itself, not the
individual stations. Look at how a medium like say XM Satellite Radio or
Directv is set up and controlled vs how shortwave radio as a medium is
uncontrolled. With XM or Directv the entity controls all access and
controls what is broadcast. With shortwave, I can choose to listen to
the BBC or to Voice of Korea. In China, the Chinese can choose to listen
to CNR or to Radio Free Asia (albeit secretly). See what I mean?


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XM plays the BBC World Service without any interruption or censorship.

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:16:03 -0800, running dogg wrote:

Li Changchun wrote:


"running dogg" wrote

Shortwave radio is the only truly global information medium that can't
be censored, controlled by a handful of megaentities...

I would consider China, N.Korea, Cuba, Iran, Syria, Vietnam, Pakistan,
and many others to very heavilly censored and controlled.

I'm talking about the medium of shortwave radio itself, not the
individual stations. Look at how a medium like say XM Satellite Radio or
Directv is set up and controlled vs how shortwave radio as a medium is
uncontrolled. With XM or Directv the entity controls all access and
controls what is broadcast. With shortwave, I can choose to listen to
the BBC or to Voice of Korea. In China, the Chinese can choose to listen
to CNR or to Radio Free Asia (albeit secretly). See what I mean?


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On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:16:03 -0800, running dogg wrote:

Li Changchun wrote:


"running dogg" wrote

Shortwave radio is the only truly global information medium that can't
be censored, controlled by a handful of megaentities...

I would consider China, N.Korea, Cuba, Iran, Syria, Vietnam, Pakistan,
and many others to very heavilly censored and controlled.

I'm talking about the medium of shortwave radio itself, not the
individual stations. Look at how a medium like say XM Satellite Radio or
Directv is set up and controlled vs how shortwave radio as a medium is
uncontrolled. With XM or Directv the entity controls all access and
controls what is broadcast. With shortwave, I can choose to listen to
the BBC or to Voice of Korea. In China, the Chinese can choose to listen
to CNR or to Radio Free Asia (albeit secretly). See what I mean?


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You are a prime target for disinformation. Always assume you are
being lied to, especially by those whom you are injclined to trust the
most.

Paranoia is awareness.

David wrote:

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:16:03 -0800, running dogg wrote:

Li Changchun wrote:


"running dogg" wrote

Shortwave radio is the only truly global information medium that can't
be censored, controlled by a handful of megaentities...

I would consider China, N.Korea, Cuba, Iran, Syria, Vietnam, Pakistan,
and many others to very heavilly censored and controlled.

I'm talking about the medium of shortwave radio itself, not the
individual stations. Look at how a medium like say XM Satellite Radio or
Directv is set up and controlled vs how shortwave radio as a medium is
uncontrolled. With XM or Directv the entity controls all access and
controls what is broadcast. With shortwave, I can choose to listen to
the BBC or to Voice of Korea. In China, the Chinese can choose to listen
to CNR or to Radio Free Asia (albeit secretly). See what I mean?


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You are a prime target for disinformation. Always assume you are
being lied to, especially by those whom you are injclined to trust the
most.

Paranoia is awareness.

And you sure are one paranoid 'tard boy!

LMAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA

If you think XM is free, you're mistaken. XM is a subscription service.

David wrote:

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:16:03 -0800, running dogg wrote:

Li Changchun wrote:


"running dogg" wrote

Shortwave radio is the only truly global information medium that can't
be censored, controlled by a handful of megaentities...

I would consider China, N.Korea, Cuba, Iran, Syria, Vietnam, Pakistan,
and many others to very heavilly censored and controlled.

I'm talking about the medium of shortwave radio itself, not the
individual stations. Look at how a medium like say XM Satellite Radio or
Directv is set up and controlled vs how shortwave radio as a medium is
uncontrolled. With XM or Directv the entity controls all access and
controls what is broadcast. With shortwave, I can choose to listen to
the BBC or to Voice of Korea. In China, the Chinese can choose to listen
to CNR or to Radio Free Asia (albeit secretly). See what I mean?


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You are a prime target for disinformation. Always assume you are
being lied to, especially by those whom you are injclined to trust the
most.

Paranoia is awareness.

Let me get this straight. You rely on a fee for service media service
(XM satellite radio) for news, uncritically post far left wing
editorials off the internet as fact, and then call ME disinformed when I
point out that shortwave, as a free medium that relies on atmospheric
characteristics that cannot be controlled, is far superior to a medium
controlled by a huge corporation that makes you pay a monthly
subscription fee for access? Your thought processes don't make sense.


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On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:35:17 -0800, running dogg wrote:

David wrote:

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:16:03 -0800, running dogg wrote:

Li Changchun wrote:


"running dogg" wrote

Shortwave radio is the only truly global information medium that can't
be censored, controlled by a handful of megaentities...

I would consider China, N.Korea, Cuba, Iran, Syria, Vietnam, Pakistan,
and many others to very heavilly censored and controlled.

I'm talking about the medium of shortwave radio itself, not the
individual stations. Look at how a medium like say XM Satellite Radio or
Directv is set up and controlled vs how shortwave radio as a medium is
uncontrolled. With XM or Directv the entity controls all access and
controls what is broadcast. With shortwave, I can choose to listen to
the BBC or to Voice of Korea. In China, the Chinese can choose to listen
to CNR or to Radio Free Asia (albeit secretly). See what I mean?


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You are a prime target for disinformation. Always assume you are
being lied to, especially by those whom you are injclined to trust the
most.

Paranoia is awareness.

Let me get this straight. You rely on a fee for service media service
(XM satellite radio) for news, uncritically post far left wing
editorials off the internet as fact, and then call ME disinformed when I
point out that shortwave, as a free medium that relies on atmospheric
characteristics that cannot be controlled, is far superior to a medium
controlled by a huge corporation that makes you pay a monthly
subscription fee for access? Your thought processes don't make sense.


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I pay a fee to them so I can have the same content at will that you
get sporadically.

David wrote:
You are obviously not in W. NAm. My radios and antennas are just
fine.


Excellent. I hope you'll mention that when you cancel your subscription
to XM. Please tell us how it goes!

Steve

Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:19:58 GMT, David kirjutas:

DRM =3DQRM

Right, future of sofwave radio is Digital Radio Mondiale (DRM)! There
are also first receivers availabe and acording to DRM Consortium
(http://www.drm.org/) most major broadcasters are already or will be
soon testing DRM broadcasts.

DRM is the world's only non-proprietary, universally standardized on-air
system for short-wave, medium-wave/AM and long-wave.

Benefits of Digital AM for Listeners:
- FM-like sound quality with the AM reach ;=20
- Improved reception quality;
- Flexible use of radio, whenever and wherever you want it;=20
- No change to existing listening habits:
- same frequencies,=20
- same listening conditions (fixed, portable and mobile radio),
- same listening environment (indoors, in cities, in dense forests..);=20
- Low cost receiver, low energy consumption;=20
- Easy tuning: with selection by frequency, station name or programme
type;=20
- More diverse programme content, using the full capabilities of new
digital features;=20
- Wide receiver range with more and better features;
- Radios that will give you programmes with associated text information,
station name, record title, singer=92s name...

Some receivers available:

Mayah Communications The DRM Receiver 2010:
http://www.mayah.com/index.php?id=3D8

Coding Techonlogies USB receiver for DRM:
http://www.codingtechnologies.com/products/digtrav.htm

SISTEL di Ing. Re Claudio
http://www.comsistel.com/drm.htm

Winradio
http://www.winradio.com/home/g303i.htm

Right, future of sofwave radio is Digital Radio Mondiale (DRM)!

Is this serious or a joke of some kind? I can't tell.

Tr wrote:

Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:19:58 GMT, David kirjutas:

DRM =QRM

Right, future of sofwave radio is Digital Radio Mondiale (DRM)! There
are also first receivers availabe and acording to DRM Consortium
(http://www.drm.org/) most major broadcasters are already or will be
soon testing DRM broadcasts.

DRM is the world's only non-proprietary, universally standardized on-air
system for short-wave, medium-wave/AM and long-wave.

Benefits of Digital AM for Listeners:
- FM-like sound quality with the AM reach ;
- Improved reception quality;
- Flexible use of radio, whenever and wherever you want it;
- No change to existing listening habits:
- same frequencies,
- same listening conditions (fixed, portable and mobile radio),
- same listening environment (indoors, in cities, in dense forests..);
- Low cost receiver, low energy consumption;
- Easy tuning: with selection by frequency, station name or programme
type;
- More diverse programme content, using the full capabilities of new
digital features;
- Wide receiver range with more and better features;
- Radios that will give you programmes with associated text information,
station name, record title, singer’s name...

Some receivers available:

Mayah Communications The DRM Receiver 2010:
http://www.mayah.com/index.php?id=8

Coding Techonlogies USB receiver for DRM:
http://www.codingtechnologies.com/products/digtrav.htm

SISTEL di Ing. Re Claudio
http://www.comsistel.com/drm.htm

Winradio
http://www.winradio.com/home/g303i.htm

DRM=QRM

dxAce
Michigan
USA