Wristwatch with UTC time and local time for SWL/Hams?
 

Casio makes a variety of digital watches that have world time. GMT
time is within the world time. The watch allows you to setup the
display with dual time i.e. local and GMT time. Works great.

The watch also has the ability to store names and phone numbers as well
as setting apointments. Cost in the $30-60 range depending on added
features.

Malomarski,

On 31 Mar 2005 21:39:36 -0800, "
wrote:

Casio makes a variety of digital watches that have world time. GMT
time is within the world time. The watch allows you to setup the
display with dual time i.e. local and GMT time. Works great.

The watch also has the ability to store names and phone numbers as well
as setting apointments. Cost in the $30-60 range depending on added
features.

This one is WWVB calibrated and Solar Powered. $75

http://cantrell.typepad.com/photos/w..._gw_300_2.html

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:05:22 -0500, malomarski
wrote:

Hey all,

I'm looking for a wris****ch that is capable of giving me both my local
time and UTC or GMT time. I've been googling the subject a little but I
am not finding too many.

I'm wondering if any of you use a watch with GMT time and if so what do
you (or don't you) recommend.

I generally don't prefer a digital watch, but I'm willing to try an
analog watch which has a little digital window for a seperate
(independently settable) time zone.

I've also seen some seiko, citizen, etc. with a seperate "gmt" hand, but
I want to make sure these things actually work (alot of them are not
able to be set independently from the local time I think...)

Please post suggestions, and sorry if maybe a little of topic, but it is
for shortwave listening.

Thanks,

Malomarski
Those circular displays with the pointers are pretty anachronistic and
beset with problems such as lack of shock resistance, parallax error
when reading, wear and tear on mechanical elements, etc.

That being said, a Rolex GMT Master has the extra 24 hour analog hour
hand.

Those old mechanical windup and selfwinding Timex's are great
wris****ches.I own several of them.Another old Timex wristatch I own was
one of the first models of Timex electric wris****ches.
cuhulin

A Timex Expedition may fit the bill. There are several versions. Mine
is more than 4 years old and seems to have been discontinued, but I'm
guessing the current models have the same good features.

It's easy to sync the watch to a radio time signal. In time set mode
you can punch a button to zero the seconds, then adjust the hours and
minutes at leisure while the seconds continue to tick. This is a much
better system than some other digital watches I have. They stop
running as soon as you enter time set mode. That makes it impossible
to change just the hours without losing your time hack.

The Expedition has a secondary time zone display which you can switch
to permanently (it replaces the primary time until you switch back),
or you can just peek at it by holding a button. Minutes and seconds
are slaved to the primary time, so you can't set up one of those
peculiar time zones with half hour offsets. The secondary time has its
own independent date display, and your preference for AM/PM or 24 hour
time format can be different from the primary display.

This is the first all-digital wris****ch I've owned. I bought it in
late 2000 as a temporary cheap stand-in while I made up my mind which
real watch (with hands) to buy. Well, I liked that cheap watch so much
I never did replace it with a "real watch"!

After 4+ years I'm still on the original battery.

Daily rate averaged
about .15 seconds gained per day when new and increased over time. But
for the past year it's been stable at about .36 - .40 seconds per day.

--
Paul Hirose
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"Those circular displays with the pointers are pretty anachronistic"

JS In what way are analog displays anachronistic. They are much
easier to tell at a glance whether the target location is in darkness
or light.

" and beset with problems such as lack of shock resistance"
JS Are you aware that for the past half century almost all mechanical
watches use shock absorbtion devices like Kif or Diashock. Modern
mechanical movements are surprisingly robust. If the last new watch
you tried was in the 1940's, then I could understand why you might make
such a statement.

", parallax error when reading,"
JS Unless you were trying to read the dial from an extreme angle it
would be all but impossible to experience noticable parallax error. At
such angles digital displays disappear from view entirely. Most of us
have learned that dgital and analog watches are most easily read when
the wrist is turned toward the eyes and not away.

" wear and tear on mechanical elements, etc."
JS What mechanical or electronic device have you found that does NOT
experience wear over time. That said, a mechanical watch movement can
be kept running for over 100 years with nothing other than simple
periodic maintenance. (I have several of them).

"That being said, a Rolex GMT Master has the extra 24 hour analog hour
hand."
JS What an utter watse of money. There are several highly accurate
quartz and mechanical GMT watches that provide the same GMT timekeeping
features with movements that are as accurate or more so at a tiny
fraction of the cost of a Rolex.

Seiko is among the leaders when it comes to producing highly accurate
GMT watches that have a rotating 24 hour bezel, an independently
adjustable 12 hour hand that allows the date to be rolled over and a 24
hour hand. The Seiko will run circles around the Rolex when it comes to
accuracy.

"John S." wrote:

"Those circular displays with the pointers are pretty anachronistic"

JS In what way are analog displays anachronistic. They are much
easier to tell at a glance whether the target location is in darkness
or light.

" and beset with problems such as lack of shock resistance"
JS Are you aware that for the past half century almost all mechanical
watches use shock absorbtion devices like Kif or Diashock. Modern
mechanical movements are surprisingly robust. If the last new watch
you tried was in the 1940's, then I could understand why you might make
such a statement.

", parallax error when reading,"
JS Unless you were trying to read the dial from an extreme angle it
would be all but impossible to experience noticable parallax error. At
such angles digital displays disappear from view entirely. Most of us
have learned that dgital and analog watches are most easily read when
the wrist is turned toward the eyes and not away.

" wear and tear on mechanical elements, etc."
JS What mechanical or electronic device have you found that does NOT
experience wear over time. That said, a mechanical watch movement can
be kept running for over 100 years with nothing other than simple
periodic maintenance. (I have several of them).

"That being said, a Rolex GMT Master has the extra 24 hour analog hour
hand."
JS What an utter watse of money. There are several highly accurate
quartz and mechanical GMT watches that provide the same GMT timekeeping
features with movements that are as accurate or more so at a tiny
fraction of the cost of a Rolex.

Seiko is among the leaders when it comes to producing highly accurate
GMT watches that have a rotating 24 hour bezel, an independently
adjustable 12 hour hand that allows the date to be rolled over and a 24
hour hand. The Seiko will run circles around the Rolex when it comes to
accuracy.

Perhaps, but one is liable to get more dates with the Rolex!

dxAce
Michigan
USA

On 2 Apr 2005 08:35:18 -0800, "John S." wrote:

"Those circular displays with the pointers are pretty anachronistic"

JS In what way are analog displays anachronistic. They are much
easier to tell at a glance whether the target location is in darkness
or light.
A twelve hour dial is easily read at a glance, a 24 hour, not so easy.
" and beset with problems such as lack of shock resistance"
JS Are you aware that for the past half century almost all mechanical
watches use shock absorbtion devices like Kif or Diashock. Modern
mechanical movements are surprisingly robust. If the last new watch
you tried was in the 1940's, then I could understand why you might make
such a statement.
How many G's will such a device withstand?

No doubt that one must pay dearly for the right to wear and display a
watch with the little golden crown. Unless one buys his golden crowned
watch from a Central Park vendor.

I own a Rolex stainless steel Oyster Perpetual wris****ch.It has the
bezel ring that rotates and a window that shows the date.I paid about
$230.00 for it and I paid $50.00 for my Mido wris****ch when I bought
both wris****ches at the Navy Fleet Store in Hong Kong in 1964 when I
went to Hong Kong for my R&R.I like my Mido wris****ch better than my
Rolex wris****ch and it keeps better time than my Rolex wris****ch
too,it always did.I think Rolex wris****ches are over rated.I quit
wearing a wris****ch years ago.
cuhulin

My old snail mail Gadget Universe catalog from February 2001,I am
looking at right now.On page 9.Web-@nywhere wris****ch.A quartz watch
that offers local time and date,the time in 100 cities around the
world,three daily alarms,three "special day" countdowns,four daily
countdown timers and a 1/100 second stopwatch that stores and recalls
your records up to 50 laps.The PDA functions include a schedule planner
and a telephone and e-mail address book.In the internet browser mode you
can access major web links and information-just place the watch in its
PC Linkup docking station to transfer 3,000 websites from

It can be used as a PDA and can download games and music and animated
graphics,you can write and edit music.A keychain stores one backup
battery so you are never left webless for long.Other special features
include an easy to use joystick,an illuminated display and EL
backlight.Comes in silver or black.$99.95

I think Gadget Universe merged with another gadget outfit
(TechnoScout.com,perhaps?) a year or two ago.It looks like a neat
wris****ch.I don't know if they are still available and I would buy one
if they are still available and can still be used for websurfing.I think
I will do a search for them.There are many kinds of neat wris****ches
nowdays,cellphone wris****ches,FM radio wris****ches,camera
wris****ches,two way radio wris****ches.It is getting harder to find a
plain old ordinary wris****ch anymore nowdays.
cuhulin

"A twelve hour dial is easily read at a glance, a 24 hour, not so
easy."
JS A 24 hour rotatable bezel with dark and light hours shaded as
Seiko has used for years is exceptionally easy to glance at and tell
whether the target zone is approaching evening, entering dawn, etc. It
takes no conversion of 24 to 12 hour time...just knowing dark means
dark, etc.

" and beset with problems such as lack of shock resistance"
JS Are you aware that for the past half century almost all
mechanical
watches use shock absorbtion devices like Kif or Diashock. Modern
mechanical movements are surprisingly robust. If the last new watch
you tried was in the 1940's, then I could understand why you might
make
such a statement.

"How many G's will such a device withstand?"
JS Well, since Omega sent it's chrono with a shock absorption
escapement to the moon several decades ago, I would estimate that it
would withstand several "G"s. And China's first astronaut wore a
mechanical chinese-made chrono into space recently. Actually the valuf
of Kif-like shock absorbers is mostly in absorbing sudden shock from
being banged or dropped.
I do have to ask...why are you asking about the number of G's a watch
could withstand...is there some relevance to keeping track of time for
swling or internatonal travel?

My Rolex never helped me get any more dates.It saw some rough times in
Vietnam in 1964.The crystal is cracked,the winding stem long since won't
lock down anymore.After about two months,I threw it in my footlocker and
I started wearing my Mido wris****ch,a much,much better wris****ch in my
opinion and it only has the hour and minute hands and a sweep second
hand on it.Just a plain,ordinary looking wris****ch it is and it still
keeps just as good time as any mechanical wris****ch.I paid only $50.00
for it too as opposed to the $230.00 I paid for my Rolex.Back then,it
was "thing to do" to be sporting a Rolex on your wrist.
cuhulin

On 2 Apr 2005 09:39:10 -0800, "John S." wrote:


I do have to ask...why are you asking about the number of G's a watch
could withstand...is there some relevance to keeping track of time for
swling or internatonal travel?

Some people work with their hands for a living.

I am only staying on topic,that's all.Page 26 in my snail mail Popular
Science magazine.A spinning sphere is the secret to precise time.A
$325,000 Jaeger-LeCoultre (there was a guy who went to the same public
school I went to back in 1940's,his name is Claude Coultre)
Gyrotourbillion wris****ch and some articles about www.yeswatch.com
and fossil.com and suuntowatches.com www.dogpile.com Web
Anywhere Wris****ch and www.gizmodo.com There is a fancy Pimp
wris****ch available (I am not jokeing) and wris****ches that run on
beer too.
cuhulin

Yes, people do work with their hands for a living. Presumably a
blacksmith would not have need to tell time in 3 zones at one time and
would remove any watch, electronic or mechanical. I know guys that
golf with their automatic watch with no ill effect. Most of us who
work with our hands but in less strenuous activities should not have to
worry about their watch failing. And since the original thread asked
about a 24 hour watch for swling, I'm still not clear how a G rating
would come into play.


David wrote:
On 2 Apr 2005 09:39:10 -0800, "John S." wrote:


I do have to ask...why are you asking about the number of G's a
watch
could withstand...is there some relevance to keeping track of time
for
swling or internatonal travel?

Some people work with their hands for a living.

UTC is the same as GMT.(some folks call it Zulu) I live in the CTZ
(Central Time Zone) and I have always known London is six hours ahead of
my time zone.Right now,it is (keep in mind,by the time I finish typing
this and send and by the time it shows up at rec.radio.shortwave,the
time will be a little later) 4:30 PM CTZ and it is 10:30 PM GMT.
cuhulin

All you need to know is how many hours ahead of your time zone it is in
London.If where you live and y'all do change your clocks twice a
year,(England does) then you will always know what time it is
GMT.Otherwise,you will have to think that one hour difference.England
does change their clocks twice a year like some parts of America.UTC is
the same as GMT is the same as Zulu
cuhulin

wrote:

UTC is the same as GMT.(some folks call it Zulu) I live in the CTZ
(Central Time Zone) and I have always known London is six hours ahead of
my time zone.Right now,it is (keep in mind,by the time I finish typing
this and send and by the time it shows up at rec.radio.shortwave,the
time will be a little later) 4:30 PM CTZ and it is 10:30 PM GMT.

At the moment though, London itself is 7 hours ahead of you, which has nothing
to do with GMT.

When you set your clock ahead tonight, (assuming you do) then London time will
then indeed be 6 hours ahead of you.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 17:50:31 -0500, dxAce
wrote:



wrote:

UTC is the same as GMT.(some folks call it Zulu) I live in the CTZ
(Central Time Zone) and I have always known London is six hours ahead of
my time zone.Right now,it is (keep in mind,by the time I finish typing
this and send and by the time it shows up at rec.radio.shortwave,the
time will be a little later) 4:30 PM CTZ and it is 10:30 PM GMT.

At the moment though, London itself is 7 hours ahead of you, which has nothing
to do with GMT.

When you set your clock ahead tonight, (assuming you do) then London time will
then indeed be 6 hours ahead of you.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


You sure about that Ace? I'm in Pacific and Zulu is 7 hours ahead of
me.

On 2 Apr 2005 13:25:30 -0800, "John S." wrote:

Yes, people do work with their hands for a living. Presumably a
blacksmith would not have need to tell time in 3 zones at one time and
would remove any watch, electronic or mechanical. I know guys that
golf with their automatic watch with no ill effect. Most of us who
work with our hands but in less strenuous activities should not have to
worry about their watch failing. And since the original thread asked
about a 24 hour watch for swling, I'm still not clear how a G rating
would come into play.


David wrote:
On 2 Apr 2005 09:39:10 -0800, "John S." wrote:


I do have to ask...why are you asking about the number of G's a
watch
could withstand...is there some relevance to keeping track of time
for
swling or internatonal travel?

Some people work with their hands for a living.

The point is that a virtually indestructable, impeccably accurate,
perpetually powered, and foolproof to read timepiece can be had for 75
clams. And it shows 2 time zones at once in 24 hour format.

It's a digital world.

David wrote:

On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 17:50:31 -0500, dxAce
wrote:



wrote:

UTC is the same as GMT.(some folks call it Zulu) I live in the CTZ
(Central Time Zone) and I have always known London is six hours ahead of
my time zone.Right now,it is (keep in mind,by the time I finish typing
this and send and by the time it shows up at rec.radio.shortwave,the
time will be a little later) 4:30 PM CTZ and it is 10:30 PM GMT.

At the moment though, London itself is 7 hours ahead of you, which has nothing
to do with GMT.

When you set your clock ahead tonight, (assuming you do) then London time will
then indeed be 6 hours ahead of you.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


You sure about that Ace? I'm in Pacific and Zulu is 7 hours ahead of
me.

Hey, DF... I was responding to Cuhulin... and he's in the CST zone.

Please try to pay even the slightest bit of attention.

You get back to me when you get both that and your meds figured out.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 10:05:12 -0400, dxAce
wrote:



David wrote:

On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 17:50:31 -0500, dxAce
wrote:



wrote:

UTC is the same as GMT.(some folks call it Zulu) I live in the CTZ
(Central Time Zone) and I have always known London is six hours ahead of
my time zone.Right now,it is (keep in mind,by the time I finish typing
this and send and by the time it shows up at rec.radio.shortwave,the
time will be a little later) 4:30 PM CTZ and it is 10:30 PM GMT.

At the moment though, London itself is 7 hours ahead of you, which has nothing
to do with GMT.

When you set your clock ahead tonight, (assuming you do) then London time will
then indeed be 6 hours ahead of you.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


You sure about that Ace? I'm in Pacific and Zulu is 7 hours ahead of
me.

Hey, DF... I was responding to Cuhulin... and he's in the CST zone.

Please try to pay even the slightest bit of attention.

You get back to me when you get both that and your meds figured out.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


So if Central is 6 hours behind Z, and Pacific is 7 hours behind Z,
what is Mountain?

Do a search for World International Time Zones www.dogpile.com I
have some old World Atlas books here and they show the international
time zones all over the World.Some of my old beat up shortwave radios do
too.
cuhulin

Years ago, Radio Shack used to have a very good-looking silver-colored
watch and band that had an analog dial and a digital window (LCD) that
could be set independently. It worked great for just what you are
asking, I know because I bought one.

On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 15:46:01 -0500, wrote:

All you need to do is know what time zone you are in and memorize how
many hours ahead of your time zone London is in (Greenwich is in the
greater metro London area) and it automaticaly comes to you.I can think
of it faster than I can look it up.
cuhulin

London is irrelevant. Ask Ace. I need to hang my Geochron back up.

Watchmakers cast nervous eye on mobile phone challenge.
www.newsalerts.com The article links to yahoo news.
cuhulin

I will tell you which "london" is Rellevant to ME! Derry,Ireland.Derry
is Derry!
cuhulin

Actually the display is a numeric analog display....