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BBC Plants Hecklers to Disrupt UK Conservative Rally
Tory fury as BBC sends hecklers to bait Howard
By Patrick Hennessy, Political Editor The BBC was last night plunged into a damaging general election row after it admitted equipping three hecklers with microphones and sending them into a campaign meeting addressed by Michael Howard, the Conservative leader. .... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...U2CFQFIQMFSM5W AVCBQ0JVC?xml=/news/2005/04/24/nhow24.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/04/24/ixportal top.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=14627 The BBC has turned into a Socialist leftwing propaganda machine. |
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:57:29 -0500, "Li-Changchun"
wrote: Tory fury as BBC sends hecklers to bait Howard By Patrick Hennessy, Political Editor The BBC was last night plunged into a damaging general election row after it admitted equipping three hecklers with microphones and sending them into a campaign meeting addressed by Michael Howard, the Conservative leader. ... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...U2CFQFIQMFSM5W AVCBQ0JVC?xml=/news/2005/04/24/nhow24.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/04/24/ixportal top.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=14627 The BBC has turned into a Socialist leftwing propaganda machine. Home Service BBC Three, not the World Service, FWIW) Tory anger over BBC heckler show Mr Howard was heckled at a meeting near Bolton The Conservatives have demanded a BBC apology over a programme which it says encouraged heckling at a meeting where Michael Howard was speaking. The Sunday Telegraph says the Tories accused the BBC of "serious misconduct" after producers equipped hecklers with radio microphones. But the corporation said it was making a legitimate programme on the history and art of political heckling. However, it said it would be investigating the complaint thoroughly. Slogans In a letter to Helen Boaden, the director of BBC News, Guy Black, the head of Conservative communications said the event was "pre-meditated" and intended to embarrass Mr Howard and disrupt his speech. He said hecklers at the meeting in Horwich, near Bolton, had shouted out slogans such as "Michael Howard is a liar" and "You can only trust Tony Blair". Mr Black said staff were in breach of BBC producer guidelines. But the corporation said the producers were making a programme for BBC Three called The History of Heckling. In a statement it said the producers had observed hecklers at the meetings of other parties and that the hecklers were not under the direction of the BBC. "The incident at the Michael Howard meeting only plays a small part in the overall programme," the statement said. "However, we will be investigating the complaint very thoroughly and will be replying in due course." |
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 19:20:32 GMT, David wrote:
Looks like a pretty ridiculous channel. ''Too silly''. http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/ |
David wrote: On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 19:20:32 GMT, David wrote: Looks like a pretty ridiculous channel. Less ridiculous than you are, 'tard boy. dxAce Michigan USA |
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:57:29 -0500, "Li-Changchun"
wrote: Tory fury as BBC sends hecklers to bait Howard By Patrick Hennessy, Political Editor The BBC was last night plunged into a damaging general election row after it admitted equipping three hecklers with microphones and sending them into a campaign meeting addressed by Michael Howard, the Conservative leader. ... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...U2CFQFIQMFSM5W AVCBQ0JVC?xml=/news/2005/04/24/nhow24.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/04/24/ixportal top.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=14627 The BBC has turned into a Socialist leftwing propaganda machine. (These BBC3 guys are definitely a menace to society... LMAO!!!) LONDON (AFP) - A red-faced BBC apologised for requesting an interview with Bob Marley, the Jamaican reggae legend who died 24 years ago. BBC Three, one of the public broadcaster's digital TV channels, sent an e-mail to the Bob Marley Foundation saying it wanted to do a documentary about his hit song "No Woman No Cry". It said the project would involve Marley -- who died of cancer in May 1981 at the age of 36 -- "spending one or two days with us", and that "it would only work with some participation from Bob Marley himself". In a statement, the BBC said: "We are obviously very embarrassed that we didn't realise that the letter to the Marley Foundation did not acknowledge that Mr Marley is no longer with us." Marley would have been 60 last February 6, a date that was celebrated with great fanfare by his legion of fans worldwide. A BBC press officer, contacted by AFP in London on Friday, confirmed that the gaffe was not an April Fool's joke. |
David wrote: On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:57:29 -0500, "Li-Changchun" wrote: Tory fury as BBC sends hecklers to bait Howard By Patrick Hennessy, Political Editor The BBC was last night plunged into a damaging general election row after it admitted equipping three hecklers with microphones and sending them into a campaign meeting addressed by Michael Howard, the Conservative leader. ... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...U2CFQFIQMFSM5W AVCBQ0JVC?xml=/news/2005/04/24/nhow24.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/04/24/ixportal top.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=14627 The BBC has turned into a Socialist leftwing propaganda machine. (These BBC3 guys are definitely a menace to society... LMAO!!!) Nah... only dumbass 'tard boys such as yourself are a menace to society. Take those meds, boy. dxAce Michigan USA |
"Li-Changchun" wrote:
Tory fury as BBC sends hecklers to bait Howard By Patrick Hennessy, Political Editor The BBC was last night plunged into a damaging general election row after it admitted equipping three hecklers with microphones and sending them into a campaign meeting addressed by Michael Howard, the Conservative leader. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...U2CFQFIQMFSM5W AVCBQ0JVC?xml=/news/2005/04/24/nhow24.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/04/24/ixportal top.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=14627 The BBC has turned into a Socialist leftwing propaganda machine. For years the BBC was an icon of the truth, in the last decade they have been on the slippery slope. How sad. |
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:19:26 GMT, "
wrote: "Li-Changchun" wrote: Tory fury as BBC sends hecklers to bait Howard By Patrick Hennessy, Political Editor The BBC was last night plunged into a damaging general election row after it admitted equipping three hecklers with microphones and sending them into a campaign meeting addressed by Michael Howard, the Conservative leader. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...U2CFQFIQMFSM5W AVCBQ0JVC?xml=/news/2005/04/24/nhow24.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/04/24/ixportal top.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=14627 The BBC has turned into a Socialist leftwing propaganda machine. For years the BBC was an icon of the truth, in the last decade they have been on the slippery slope. How sad. There was one questionable story a few years ago where hank-panky was suspected and the place was turned inside out. The World Service is definitiely biased toward the global consensus (well duh!) but still meticulously factual. |
"Li-Changchun" wrote in message ... Tory fury as BBC sends hecklers to bait Howard By Patrick Hennessy, Political Editor The BBC was last night plunged into a damaging general election row after it admitted equipping three hecklers with microphones and sending them into a campaign meeting addressed by Michael Howard, the Conservative leader. The BBC has turned into a Socialist leftwing propaganda machine. Not exactly. This row has little to do with politics per-se! Recently the BBC announced staff reductions of close to 28% including cutbacks of some rather popular TV and Radio programmes in the UK. (..to put it in a way that you Americans would understand, it would be as if several USA based TV networks announced that they were going to broadcast only 50% of all Baseball and Football games and replace what was lost with Infomercials) This is why so many are upset over BBC Management. They have sacrificed programme content for greater financial profits at the expense of their viewers and listeners. I would gather if the same were done in the USA as has been done in the UK, that a general insurrection and revolution would no doubt ensue shortly thereafter.. |
Igor Reameas Rothschild wrote:
"Li-Changchun" wrote in message ... Tory fury as BBC sends hecklers to bait Howard By Patrick Hennessy, Political Editor The BBC was last night plunged into a damaging general election row after it admitted equipping three hecklers with microphones and sending them into a campaign meeting addressed by Michael Howard, the Conservative leader. The BBC has turned into a Socialist leftwing propaganda machine. Not exactly. This row has little to do with politics per-se! Recently the BBC announced staff reductions of close to 28% including cutbacks of some rather popular TV and Radio programmes in the UK. (..to put it in a way that you Americans would understand, it would be as if several USA based TV networks announced that they were going to broadcast only 50% of all Baseball and Football games and replace what was lost with Infomercials) This is why so many are upset over BBC Management. They have sacrificed programme content for greater financial profits at the expense of their viewers and listeners. I would gather if the same were done in the USA as has been done in the UK, that a general insurrection and revolution would no doubt ensue shortly thereafter.. Monday Night Football has been moved from ABC, which is a broadcast network that can be received in most areas with an antenna, to ESPN, which is on cable TV only, read expen$ive subscription fees. So far no insurrections have been noted. I know that the same megacorporation owns both ABC and ESPN, and that over the air TV has not been profitable in a LONG TIME, but still there are some football fans that will not be able to see the game anymore. But in a country where fans pay outrageous fees to have 10 sports channels, those few fans don't amount to much. Yes, BBC Management seems to have no clue about anything, they've been drastically cutting back the World Service part of their operation to the point where it can only be heard in the mornings for a few hours and an hour of news in the evenings in the Americas, and just South America at that. The point is apparently to cut off shortwave-once the WS's bread and butter-completely and rely on a network of FM stations. Unfortunately these FM stations decide when and how much of the BBCWS to broadcast. If you go to bbcworldservice.com and go to the dialog box where you can enter your city for programming info, you'll see this. Enter San Francisco, for example, the nearest Big City to yours truly. You'll see that the WS gets six hours in the wee hours of the morning (midnight-6am) and an hour of news at 2pm. A sad substitute for shortwave, but in North America this is what we're supposed to take. Many BBC "affiliates" don't even broadcast The World Today or Newshour but a sanitized news program called "World Affairs" or something similar. What's holding you Brits back from getting rid of your government over this? At least vote Blair out of office, he's quite unpopular for dragging the UK into Iraq from what I understand. And then there's your royal family. Name ONE THING it's good for, besides tabloid fodder. Join the world, become a republic already! ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 19:54:13 -0700, running dogg wrote:
Igor Reameas Rothschild wrote: "Li-Changchun" wrote in message ... Tory fury as BBC sends hecklers to bait Howard By Patrick Hennessy, Political Editor The BBC was last night plunged into a damaging general election row after it admitted equipping three hecklers with microphones and sending them into a campaign meeting addressed by Michael Howard, the Conservative leader. The BBC has turned into a Socialist leftwing propaganda machine. Not exactly. This row has little to do with politics per-se! Recently the BBC announced staff reductions of close to 28% including cutbacks of some rather popular TV and Radio programmes in the UK. (..to put it in a way that you Americans would understand, it would be as if several USA based TV networks announced that they were going to broadcast only 50% of all Baseball and Football games and replace what was lost with Infomercials) This is why so many are upset over BBC Management. They have sacrificed programme content for greater financial profits at the expense of their viewers and listeners. I would gather if the same were done in the USA as has been done in the UK, that a general insurrection and revolution would no doubt ensue shortly thereafter.. Monday Night Football has been moved from ABC, which is a broadcast network that can be received in most areas with an antenna, to ESPN, which is on cable TV only, read expen$ive subscription fees. So far no insurrections have been noted. I know that the same megacorporation owns both ABC and ESPN, and that over the air TV has not been profitable in a LONG TIME, but still there are some football fans that will not be able to see the game anymore. But in a country where fans pay outrageous fees to have 10 sports channels, those few fans don't amount to much. Yes, BBC Management seems to have no clue about anything, they've been drastically cutting back the World Service part of their operation to the point where it can only be heard in the mornings for a few hours and an hour of news in the evenings in the Americas, and just South America at that. The point is apparently to cut off shortwave-once the WS's bread and butter-completely and rely on a network of FM stations. Unfortunately these FM stations decide when and how much of the BBCWS to broadcast. If you go to bbcworldservice.com and go to the dialog box where you can enter your city for programming info, you'll see this. Enter San Francisco, for example, the nearest Big City to yours truly. You'll see that the WS gets six hours in the wee hours of the morning (midnight-6am) and an hour of news at 2pm. A sad substitute for shortwave, but in North America this is what we're supposed to take. Many BBC "affiliates" don't even broadcast The World Today or Newshour but a sanitized news program called "World Affairs" or something similar. What's holding you Brits back from getting rid of your government over this? At least vote Blair out of office, he's quite unpopular for dragging the UK into Iraq from what I understand. And then there's your royal family. Name ONE THING it's good for, besides tabloid fodder. Join the world, become a republic already! ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- You can get the World Service, in hifi digital sound, 24 hours a day on XM satellite radio. The equipment is under $100. Somebody in this group knows somebody who bought an old sheet metal radio fo $10,000, on which (if it still works at all) the BBC will sound like it's going through a Maestro Phase Shifter. |
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 19:20:32 GMT, David wrote:
Home Service BBC Three, not the World Service, FWIW) Well, a lot of BBCWS news programs come from domestic Radio 4 and most of BBC World (news e.g. on the cable/satellite network BBC America and on PBS stations) is taken from BBC One. |
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 07:15:58 GMT, Joel Rubin
wrote: On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 19:20:32 GMT, David wrote: Home Service BBC Three, not the World Service, FWIW) Well, a lot of BBCWS news programs come from domestic Radio 4 and most of BBC World (news e.g. on the cable/satellite network BBC America and on PBS stations) is taken from BBC One. It's a resource, not a final arbiter. I reserve that function for myself. They are biased and I am aware of their bias. I still find their facts to be real most of the time. I look for corroboration if it's important to me. I accept nothing at face value. |
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David wrote: You can get the World Service, in hifi digital sound, 24 hours a day on XM satellite radio. The equipment is under $100. I bought my R-1000 on closeout for $300 about 22 years ago. How much will a 22 year subscription to XM cost? Mark Zenier Washington State resident |
"David" wrote in message ... On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:11:05 GMT, (Mark Zenier) wrote: In article , David wrote: You can get the World Service, in hifi digital sound, 24 hours a day on XM satellite radio. The equipment is under $100. I bought my R-1000 on closeout for $300 about 22 years ago. How much will a 22 year subscription to XM cost? Mark Zenier Washington State resident You get what you pay for. You can get the BBC for what...3 or 4 hours a day (if the Sun ain't flaking out)? Do you really care about the BBC or are you just trying to be special because you make do with an obsolete delivery system? There's more to radio than the BBC. You should check it out sometime. You know, broaden your horizons. |
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 15:04:34 -0500, "MnMikew"
wrote: "David" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:11:05 GMT, (Mark Zenier) wrote: In article , David wrote: You can get the World Service, in hifi digital sound, 24 hours a day on XM satellite radio. The equipment is under $100. I bought my R-1000 on closeout for $300 about 22 years ago. How much will a 22 year subscription to XM cost? Mark Zenier Washington State resident You get what you pay for. You can get the BBC for what...3 or 4 hours a day (if the Sun ain't flaking out)? Do you really care about the BBC or are you just trying to be special because you make do with an obsolete delivery system? There's more to radio than the BBC. You should check it out sometime. You know, broaden your horizons. True. But that's not what we were talking about. There're 10,000 audio streams (at least) on the internet, are you going to try-out each one? |
"David" wrote in message
... There're 10,000 audio streams (at least) on the internet, are you going to try-out each one? and 99% of those streams are pure garbage. |
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:48:05 -0500, "Li-Changchun"
wrote: "David" wrote in message .. . There're 10,000 audio streams (at least) on the internet, are you going to try-out each one? and 99% of those streams are pure garbage. 99% of everything is bull****. |
"Jim" wrote in message ... and 99% of those streams are pure garbage. 82% of all statistics are made up. Do your own sample. You don't need to sample all zillion streams as David claims. Simply sample about 20 and report how many of the 20 are not pure garbage. It is highly likely that all 20 will be garbage and a waste of time that could have been spent listening to something truely excellent like John Batchelor. |
David wrote:
There're 10,000 audio streams (at least) on the internet, are you going to try-out each one? buffering... buffering... buffering... connection closed by remote host. |
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:43:25 -0500, "Li-Changchun"
wrote: "Jim" wrote in message .. . and 99% of those streams are pure garbage. 82% of all statistics are made up. Do your own sample. You don't need to sample all zillion streams as David claims. Simply sample about 20 and report how many of the 20 are not pure garbage. It is highly likely that all 20 will be garbage and a waste of time that could have been spent listening to something truely excellent like John Batchelor. At 10 O'clock at night normal people are going to bed. Not listen ing to some raving paranoid on the AM radio. Try Mike Malloy instead, he will challenge you. |
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David wrote: On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:11:05 GMT, (Mark Zenier) wrote: In article , David wrote: You can get the World Service, in hifi digital sound, 24 hours a day on XM satellite radio. The equipment is under $100. I bought my R-1000 on closeout for $300 about 22 years ago. How much will a 22 year subscription to XM cost? Mark Zenier Washington State resident You get what you pay for. You can get the BBC for what...3 or 4 hours a day (if the Sun ain't flaking out)? Let's see. 15360 is good for a couple of hours in the dead of night, then 6195 and 9740 give another four or five starting about four in the morning, then 7160 can be listenable until 10 AM PDT, then then 15280 or 15360 in the late afternoon for a couple, then the two or three hours targeted to the Americas on 5975, 7160 and 15360 again, then KOAC-550 starting about 10 PM or so, and the local FMs at 1 AM. So probably 16 hours a day, of varying quality. Do you really care about the BBC Their current events feature stuff and the science programs, yes. (The ones the local NPR stations will never run because they don't' want to look bad in comparison). I find I'm caring less and less about the rest as they degenerate down to a "BBCNN" (as some writer to "Write On" called them last week) news (froth) service. (And they seem to have followed the party line on the Iraq war). When they shut down their science unit, I'm gone. But that's not the point. or are you just trying to be special because you make do with an obsolete delivery system? But the main point here is that XM or "Are you Serious?" are just not cost effective. Spending 10-13? dollars a month for the 1 1/2 channels that I'd be interested in just doesn't pay off. All I'd care about is BBC or WRN, NPR to fill in what my local stations censor, maybe a alternative music or blues channel when I'm in the mood. But for $150 a year? $3000 + inflation + equipment costs over the next 20some years? The receivers are 100-200 (subsidized) bucks and will probably break down in 5-7 years as they run some their circuitry pretty hot. And the providers themselves have shaky finances. Will they be around in a few years? (Especially when it's time for new satellites to be launched). They're just a part of the dot.com boom that hasn't burned through their cash yet. Don't get too dependent on them. Finally you're at the whims of the few who select which channels get broadcast in their limited bandwidth. Some new radio fad or some pressure campaign by some right wing group, and "goodby BBC". ("Market forces will provide what you want", my ass). Mark Zenier Washington State resident |
"David" wrote in message ... At 10 O'clock at night normal people are going to bed. Not listen ing to some raving paranoid on the AM radio. Try Mike Malloy instead, he will challenge you. So anyone who dosent go to bed at 10:00 like a nancy-boy like you isnt normal? Are you talking about all the raving paranoids at AirAmerica? |
MnMikew wrote: "David" wrote in message ... At 10 O'clock at night normal people are going to bed. Not listen ing to some raving paranoid on the AM radio. Try Mike Malloy instead, he will challenge you. So anyone who dosent go to bed at 10:00 like a nancy-boy like you isnt normal? Are you talking about all the raving paranoids at AirAmerica? One must always remember that in David's little world no one is 'normal' but himself. Maybe mommy or daddy makes him go to bed at that time, or perhaps that's when the lights go out at the 'home' he is currently in. dxAce Michigan USA |
"David" wrote in message
... At 10 O'clock at night normal people are going to bed. Not listen ing to some raving paranoid on the AM radio. Connected to reality as opposed to your drug induced obcessive paranoia of conspiracy theories which mostly originate from Islamic propagandists. Beddy bye for little baby David. |
Mark Zenier wrote:
In article , David wrote: On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:11:05 GMT, (Mark Zenier) wrote: In article , David wrote: You can get the World Service, in hifi digital sound, 24 hours a day on XM satellite radio. The equipment is under $100. I bought my R-1000 on closeout for $300 about 22 years ago. How much will a 22 year subscription to XM cost? Mark Zenier Washington State resident You get what you pay for. You can get the BBC for what...3 or 4 hours a day (if the Sun ain't flaking out)? Let's see. 15360 is good for a couple of hours in the dead of night, then 6195 and 9740 give another four or five starting about four in the morning, then 7160 can be listenable until 10 AM PDT, then then 15280 or 15360 in the late afternoon for a couple, then the two or three hours targeted to the Americas on 5975, 7160 and 15360 again, then KOAC-550 starting about 10 PM or so, and the local FMs at 1 AM. So probably 16 hours a day, of varying quality. The BBC uses 9825 at 0200-0300 daily to broadcast The World Today. 15280/15360 usually fades out by 0300. Do you really care about the BBC Their current events feature stuff and the science programs, yes. (The ones the local NPR stations will never run because they don't' want to look bad in comparison). I find I'm caring less and less about the rest as they degenerate down to a "BBCNN" (as some writer to "Write On" called them last week) news (froth) service. (And they seem to have followed the party line on the Iraq war). When they shut down their science unit, I'm gone. But that's not the point. I listen for their current events. I listen to The World Today and that's about it. I find that they have a lot of on the scene reporters that other news services don't have. What American journalist can report directly from Havana or Tehran or some of those chaotic African countries? CRI is the one trying to be "radio CNN" except they're more like a Communist version of Fox News. or are you just trying to be special because you make do with an obsolete delivery system? But the main point here is that XM or "Are you Serious?" are just not cost effective. Spending 10-13? dollars a month for the 1 1/2 channels that I'd be interested in just doesn't pay off. All I'd care about is BBC or WRN, NPR to fill in what my local stations censor, maybe a alternative music or blues channel when I'm in the mood. But for $150 a year? $3000 + inflation + equipment costs over the next 20some years? The receivers are 100-200 (subsidized) bucks and will probably break down in 5-7 years as they run some their circuitry pretty hot. And the providers themselves have shaky finances. Will they be around in a few years? (Especially when it's time for new satellites to be launched). They're just a part of the dot.com boom that hasn't burned through their cash yet. Don't get too dependent on them. I wonder what will happen to all those cars that have XM built in. I was looking at new Mazdas the other day and even the economy cars have XM. I guess those unlucky owners will have to go back to FM. Finally you're at the whims of the few who select which channels get broadcast in their limited bandwidth. Some new radio fad or some pressure campaign by some right wing group, and "goodby BBC". ("Market forces will provide what you want", my ass). It's funny that David seems to be so concerned with the govt taking away SW radios, yet he's so bullish on XM. The government, which has a big stake in satellite radio, could simply order (or pressure) the services to stop carrying certain channels. Satellite is big NOW, but just wait a few years when their birds go dead. Then suddenly they'll vanish, and David will have to break out the R75 again. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
David wrote:
Do you really care about the BBC Certainly more than Mark Byford, but it would be hard to care less than that useless parasite. |
David wrote: On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:10:56 -0500, "Li-Changchun" wrote: "David" wrote in message .. . At 10 O'clock at night normal people are going to bed. Not listen ing to some raving paranoid on the AM radio. Connected to reality as opposed to your drug induced obcessive paranoia of conspiracy theories which mostly originate from Islamic propagandists. Beddy bye for little baby David. YOU'RE calling ME paranoid? Good one. You certainly seem to be so. But don't take my word for it, see a local doctor. dxAce Michigan USA |
No DaviD - 'your' just a little "Noid"ing ;-) ~ RHF
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