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"beerbarrel" wrote in message ... Listening to the radio and heard new reports on the Italian incident. It seems that the whole event was caught by satellite and the car that was carrying the reporter was traveling in excess of 60 mph. Just how was it captured by satellite? There are also reports that a ransom of about 2 million dollars was paid to the terrorists to secure the reporter's release. It seems the soldiers were telling the truth. How come I'm not surprised? |
FDR wrote:
"beerbarrel" wrote in message ... Listening to the radio and heard new reports on the Italian incident. It seems that the whole event was caught by satellite and the car that was carrying the reporter was traveling in excess of 60 mph. Just how was it captured by satellite? The same way the weapons of mass destruction were pinpointed. It's a slam dunk. mike |
"-=jd=-" wrote in message . 21... On Thu 28 Apr 2005 08:55:52p, beerbarrel wrote in message : On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:48:45 GMT, "FDR" wrote: "beerbarrel" wrote in message ... Listening to the radio and heard new reports on the Italian incident. It seems that the whole event was caught by satellite and the car that was carrying the reporter was traveling in excess of 60 mph. Just how was it captured by satellite? Beats me...I'm just the messenger. I would doubt that they would release that info anyway. The satellite has a camera that can image a *large* chunk of geography at one time at something less than 1-meter resolution. The satellite also date/time-stamps any images it may happen to acquire. What are the odds there are satellites targeting and imaging Iraq while U.S. troops are in harms way over there? If those odds are acceptable, what are the odds that while imaging something else entirely different, the camera footprint just happened to cover the area of the roadblock (and quite a few other grid- squares as well)? Multiple images of a given area taken at slightly different times will reveal a bit of useful info regarding objects in motion. I would imagine that fate smiled and (unexpectedly) a sufficient number of frames captured some aspect of the roadblock incident. At least enough to cast doubt on the reporter's version of events. Even without satellite imagery, it is my understanding that her story was unravelling a bit all on it's own... Unless the imagery was real time, I doubt there was such evidence. And if the imagerey was still pictures, we are talking about being able to measure things at fractions of a second. I'd really like to know how such satellite imagery was able to determine this. I mean, I could see a drone figuring this out, but a sattelite? -=jd=- -- My Current Disposable Email: (Remove YOUR HAT to reply directly) |
"Leonard Martin" wrote in message ... In article hbgce.5783$0X6.1338@edtnps90, m II wrote: FDR wrote: "beerbarrel" wrote in message ... Listening to the radio and heard new reports on the Italian incident. It seems that the whole event was caught by satellite and the car that was carrying the reporter was traveling in excess of 60 mph. Just how was it captured by satellite? The same way the weapons of mass destruction were pinpointed. It's a slam dunk. mike Yep, let those military folks use their own satellites to exonerate themselves. Good idea! This self-exoneration thing worked great when their own investigation of the Iraq prison mistreatments found that SURPRISE! only one officer had any culpability in it. Otherwise it was just the usual "bad apples" who are invariably found responsible for every atrocity everywhere. To be more correct, it was the work of the liberal media. I hope I was able to set the record straight. Leonard -- "Everything that rises must converge" --Flannery O'Connor |
Ever notice how they *claim* they can read license plates in the Kremlin
parking lot but they have to search for months to find a $15,000,000 plane? .... Or how the Pentagon loses THREE TRILLION DOLLARS? Seems they couldn't find their butt with both hands but they can spot a gnat on a toad planets away! YEAH! :-) ========= FDR wrote: "Leonard Martin" wrote in message ... In article hbgce.5783$0X6.1338@edtnps90, m II wrote: FDR wrote: "beerbarrel" wrote in message m... Listening to the radio and heard new reports on the Italian incident. It seems that the whole event was caught by satellite and the car that was carrying the reporter was traveling in excess of 60 mph. Just how was it captured by satellite? The same way the weapons of mass destruction were pinpointed. It's a slam dunk. mike Yep, let those military folks use their own satellites to exonerate themselves. Good idea! This self-exoneration thing worked great when their own investigation of the Iraq prison mistreatments found that SURPRISE! only one officer had any culpability in it. Otherwise it was just the usual "bad apples" who are invariably found responsible for every atrocity everywhere. To be more correct, it was the work of the liberal media. I hope I was able to set the record straight. Leonard -- "Everything that rises must converge" --Flannery O'Connor |
"beerbarrel" wrote:
Listening to the radio and heard new reports on the Italian incident. It seems that the whole event was caught by satellite and the car that was carrying the reporter was traveling in excess of 60 mph. There are also reports that a ransom of about 2 million dollars was paid to the terrorists to secure the reporter's release. It seems the soldiers were telling the truth. How come I'm not surprised? To the conspiracy-minded folk, it looks like a win/win for the Commies. Or, maybe even a tidy triple-play: (1) Communist reporter lives -- and becomes a hero. (2) Intel guy is dead -- and was probably an anti-Communist (Or at least neutral). (3) Tangoes get 2 million dollars. Wait, there's a number (4) in the wings, at least a half-assed one: Berlusconi got skinned, in terms of his credibility. 73, Steve -- Steve Lawrence Burnsville, Minnesota Every moment of a human life is an act of worship. Coincidence is God's way of being anonymous. |
"beerbarrel" wrote in message ... On 29 Apr 2005 21:24:16 GMT, "-=jd=-" wrote: JSTARS can track pretty much anything that moves within it's range on land, sea or in the air. I recall someone advising it could track everything from cars to aircraft -- that it could track something with the dimensions of a port-a-potty on the periphery of it's range, so long as it was traveling at a speed of classified or faster. At least, that's what *I* was told by a trusted acquaintance... -=jd=- Do you remember that long column of trucks, tanks and crap heading out of Kuwait? Those guys are well aware of what Jstars can do. Also, weather is pretty much a non issue. They can't hide in sandstorms anymore. Back to the satellite thing. They do not need moving targets to calculate the speed of a vehicle. If they know the time between still pictures, they can calculate the vehicle speed. Bottom line, the old lady was either lying or confused. Well, that's the key issue obviously. Time. Do these things count in fractions of a second? |
They don't need to. Time interval is of no importance as long as it is
regular. "FDR" wrote in message ... Well, that's the key issue obviously. Time. Do these things count in fractions of a second? |
"beerbarrel" wrote in message
... Listening to the radio and heard new reports on the Italian incident. It seems that the whole event was caught by satellite and the car that was carrying the reporter was traveling in excess of 60 mph. There are also reports that a ransom of about 2 million dollars was paid to the terrorists to secure the reporter's release. It seems the soldiers were telling the truth. How come I'm not surprised? Because you choose only to believe the parts of what you hear that concur with your pre-judgement. This happened in the dead of night in a war-torn country. The chances of a satellite contributing anything of relevance is very small, and the chances of you being privvy to it are zero. You will never know the truth, and to convince yourself otherwise is ridiculous. Have the US never played dirty? Have the Italians never played dirty? Which of the two liars are we to believe? |
Larry once told me that car was flipping along at 100 miles per hour and
it was hydroplaning all over the place.things he knows about satellites and stuff,sometimes i wonder. ~Alice~ |
"beerbarrel" wrote in message
... That said, I'm a patriot. I'm going to stand behind the US come hell or high water. I don't think that has anything to do with being patriotric. Idiotic maybe. |
"beerbarrel" wrote in message
... On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:34:38 -0400, "John Verdana" wrote: "beerbarrel" wrote in message . .. That said, I'm a patriot. I'm going to stand behind the US come hell or high water. I don't think that has anything to do with being patriotric. Idiotic maybe. You are always welcome to do as you wish thanks to folks like me. Whatever that means. |
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"beerbarrel" wrote in message ... On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:23:57 -0400, "John Verdana" wrote: "beerbarrel" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:34:38 -0400, "John Verdana" wrote: "beerbarrel" wrote in message m... That said, I'm a patriot. I'm going to stand behind the US come hell or high water. I don't think that has anything to do with being patriotric. Idiotic maybe. You are always welcome to do as you wish thanks to folks like me. Whatever that means. It's pretty self explanatory. It means that patriots like me pay for people that have no loyalty to their country. We all pay for other people in this country. So don't be such a martyr. |
"beerbarrel" wrote in message
... On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:23:57 -0400, "John Verdana" wrote: "beerbarrel" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:34:38 -0400, "John Verdana" wrote: "beerbarrel" wrote in message m... That said, I'm a patriot. I'm going to stand behind the US come hell or high water. I don't think that has anything to do with being patriotric. Idiotic maybe. You are always welcome to do as you wish thanks to folks like me. Whatever that means. It's pretty self explanatory. It means that patriots like me pay for people that have no loyalty to their country. You are full of ****. The last thing this country needs is an ignorant asshole like you. It's obvious that you haven't the first clue about what it means to be patriotic. |
"beerbarrel" wrote in message ... On Sun, 01 May 2005 15:15:54 GMT, "FDR" wrote: "beerbarrel" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:23:57 -0400, "John Verdana" wrote: "beerbarrel" wrote in message m... On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:34:38 -0400, "John Verdana" wrote: "beerbarrel" wrote in message news:bdo771talm34m9klfua9fls0l0r9lk9s46@4ax. com... That said, I'm a patriot. I'm going to stand behind the US come hell or high water. I don't think that has anything to do with being patriotric. Idiotic maybe. You are always welcome to do as you wish thanks to folks like me. Whatever that means. It's pretty self explanatory. It means that patriots like me pay for people that have no loyalty to their country. We all pay for other people in this country. So don't be such a martyr. No! We don't. I don't think being patriotic is the same as being a martyr. Im not about to strap a bomb to myself and go blow up something. I think you have things confused. You think that you are owed something because you patriotic. What exactly are you owed? _____________________ www.ReformUS.org |
"beerbarrel" wrote in message ... On Sun, 1 May 2005 13:25:40 -0400, "John Verdana" wrote: "beerbarrel" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:23:57 -0400, "John Verdana" wrote: "beerbarrel" wrote in message m... On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:34:38 -0400, "John Verdana" wrote: "beerbarrel" wrote in message news:bdo771talm34m9klfua9fls0l0r9lk9s46@4ax. com... That said, I'm a patriot. I'm going to stand behind the US come hell or high water. I don't think that has anything to do with being patriotric. Idiotic maybe. You are always welcome to do as you wish thanks to folks like me. Whatever that means. It's pretty self explanatory. It means that patriots like me pay for people that have no loyalty to their country. You are full of ****. The last thing this country needs is an ignorant asshole like you. It's obvious that you haven't the first clue about what it means to be patriotic. I don't think that I'm ignorant at all. I would never ignore an order to blow you away if the government gave me such an order. In fact, I would be more than happy to do it. If the government told you to blow yourself away would you do it? So what you going to do, sit there and call me names because I have a different belief than you? Why don't you just go ahead and make fun of all the other folks that have different beliefs from you while you are at it? The list is long...Gays, Jews, atheists...the list goes on. Go ahead have some fun at someone else's expense. _____________________ www.ReformUS.org |
"beerbarrel" wrote in message
... On Sun, 1 May 2005 13:25:40 -0400, "John Verdana" wrote: "beerbarrel" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:23:57 -0400, "John Verdana" wrote: "beerbarrel" wrote in message m... On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:34:38 -0400, "John Verdana" wrote: "beerbarrel" wrote in message news:bdo771talm34m9klfua9fls0l0r9lk9s46@4ax. com... That said, I'm a patriot. I'm going to stand behind the US come hell or high water. I don't think that has anything to do with being patriotric. Idiotic maybe. You are always welcome to do as you wish thanks to folks like me. Whatever that means. It's pretty self explanatory. It means that patriots like me pay for people that have no loyalty to their country. You are full of ****. The last thing this country needs is an ignorant asshole like you. It's obvious that you haven't the first clue about what it means to be patriotic. I don't think that I'm ignorant at all. I would never ignore an order to blow you away if the government gave me such an order. In fact, I would be more than happy to do it. So what you going to do, sit there and call me names because I have a different belief than you? Why don't you just go ahead and make fun of all the other folks that have different beliefs from you while you are at it? The list is long...Gays, Jews, atheists...the list goes on. Go ahead have some fun at someone else's expense. We have a second amendment that allows us to bear arms. Why did we get this amendment? Answer: to allow us to protect ourselves against the state - the same state that you choose to blindly follow. Personally I believe it is the true role of a patriot to pursue truth and liberty, because those are the principles this country was founded on. As a patriot I abhore and condemn those who lie and commit injustices in the name of this country. I will not blindly follow Mr. Bush over a cliff. |
"beerbarrel" wrote in message ... On 01 May 2005 19:36:28 GMT, "-=jd=-" wrote: It is interesting, and telling, that you jumped to that conclusion. Just to be sure, I've looked back over the thread and can't see any mention of tracy hinting that he felt "owed". All I've read is that "...patriots like me pay for people that have no loyalty to their country....". While it is true that patriots have sacrificed in order that others who *haven't* sacrificed may bitch, moan, gripe, complain and generally be a horse's ass on demand, it is amazing how that one simple fact can itself generate bitching, moaning, griping, complaining and horses asses. I didn't see Tracy asking for anything. I did detect a veiled, weird mixture of (perhaps) shame, envy and self- consciousness from both "John Verdana" and yourself... -=jd=- Thanks jd! I was wondering if they were actually reading what I was saying. I'm not against what they want to do. I'm trying to explain to them that you are either with the US or against them. Sounds like George Bush speaking. Can't somebody be for some things and against some things? You have to be 100% for America? So if America lays a huge turd, one will tell us it doesn't stink because it's an American turd? America can never do wrong if you are patriotic? There are plenty of things that you can do to show support for your country. Yeah, you can put one of those made in China yellow ribbons on your made in Japan car. I just get tired of people bad mouthing the US. Those guys are entitled to their own stance on things and I'm not complaining. I guess now if you support the US you are an idiot. Well then label me an idiot and I'm damn pround to be one! And if one disagrees one is branded unpatriotic and worthy of contempt as has been seen lately. _____________________ www.ReformUS.org |
"beerbarrel" wrote in message ... On Sun, 01 May 2005 19:01:16 GMT, "FDR" wrote: "beerbarrel" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 1 May 2005 13:25:40 -0400, "John Verdana" wrote: "beerbarrel" wrote in message m... On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:23:57 -0400, "John Verdana" wrote: "beerbarrel" wrote in message news:7og871dglj9lvsil8kf4cmvhiseu723jr5@4ax. com... On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:34:38 -0400, "John Verdana" wrote: "beerbarrel" wrote in message news:bdo771talm34m9klfua9fls0l0r9lk9s46@4a x.com... That said, I'm a patriot. I'm going to stand behind the US come hell or high water. I don't think that has anything to do with being patriotric. Idiotic maybe. You are always welcome to do as you wish thanks to folks like me. Whatever that means. It's pretty self explanatory. It means that patriots like me pay for people that have no loyalty to their country. I don't think that I'm ignorant at all. I would never ignore an order to blow you away if the government gave me such an order. In fact, I would be more than happy to do it. If the government told you to blow yourself away would you do it? I'm patriotic...not stupid! Am I not allowed that freedom? Is it illegal to be patriotic in this politically correct time? Oh no it isn't. I feel strongly about America too. We were the only ones in our neighborhood to sit outside at twilight and light a candle during the national recogniton for the 9/11 victims. And I was very much in favor of finding te *******s that did it to us. But I was also against the Iraq war when I saw it for a bogus reason to invade a country that had not attacked us. Does that make me unpatriotic to be skeptical to my countrie's motives? _____________________ www.ReformUS.org |
"beerbarrel" wrote in message ... On Sun, 01 May 2005 20:36:24 GMT, "FDR" Sounds like George Bush speaking. Can't somebody be for some things and against some things? You have to be 100% for America? So if America lays a huge turd, one will tell us it doesn't stink because it's an American turd? America can never do wrong if you are patriotic? So? Your point? I like Bush....I never said America can do no wrong. What I did say was that I will support her come hell or high water. You are trying to put things into the discussion that are not there. There are plenty of things that you can do to show support for your country. Yeah, you can put one of those made in China yellow ribbons on your made in Japan car. If that is what you want to do then be my guest. Personally I never would as it seems disingenuous. I just get tired of people bad mouthing the US. Those guys are entitled to their own stance on things and I'm not complaining. I guess now if you support the US you are an idiot. Well then label me an idiot and I'm damn pround to be one! And if one disagrees one is branded unpatriotic and worthy of contempt as has been seen lately. Did I brand YOU unpatriotic? I don't remember that if I did. Ok, not you. But I am tired of the right and using patriotism as a political weapon. _____________________ www.ReformUS.org _____________________ www.ReformUS.org |
"beerbarrel" wrote in message
... On Sun, 1 May 2005 15:55:10 -0400, "John Verdana" wrote: "beerbarrel" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 1 May 2005 13:25:40 -0400, "John Verdana" wrote: "beerbarrel" wrote in message m... On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:23:57 -0400, "John Verdana" wrote: "beerbarrel" wrote in message news:7og871dglj9lvsil8kf4cmvhiseu723jr5@4ax. com... On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:34:38 -0400, "John Verdana" wrote: "beerbarrel" wrote in message news:bdo771talm34m9klfua9fls0l0r9lk9s46@4a x.com... That said, I'm a patriot. I'm going to stand behind the US come hell or high water. I don't think that has anything to do with being patriotric. Idiotic maybe. You are always welcome to do as you wish thanks to folks like me. Whatever that means. It's pretty self explanatory. It means that patriots like me pay for people that have no loyalty to their country. You are full of ****. The last thing this country needs is an ignorant asshole like you. It's obvious that you haven't the first clue about what it means to be patriotic. I don't think that I'm ignorant at all. I would never ignore an order to blow you away if the government gave me such an order. In fact, I would be more than happy to do it. So what you going to do, sit there and call me names because I have a different belief than you? Why don't you just go ahead and make fun of all the other folks that have different beliefs from you while you are at it? The list is long...Gays, Jews, atheists...the list goes on. Go ahead have some fun at someone else's expense. We have a second amendment that allows us to bear arms. Why did we get this amendment? Answer: to allow us to protect ourselves against the state - the same state that you choose to blindly follow. Personally I believe it is the true role of a patriot to pursue truth and liberty, because those are the principles this country was founded on. As a patriot I abhore and condemn those who lie and commit injustices in the name of this country. I will not blindly follow Mr. Bush over a cliff. Your meaning of being a patriot and my meaning of being a patriot are 2 different things. But, you have the right to believe as you wish and I won't try to stop you in any way. Why do you attack me because of my beliefs? Because this is a public forum and you put your "beliefs" (i.e. prejudices) out for all to see in the first post in this thread. If you don't want to people to "attack" you, you might consider keeping your posts on topic. This is a shortwave radio forum. If you want to discuss politics there are many more suitable places to do it. |
"John Verdana" wrote in message
... And as a succinct answer to your orginal question "How come I'm not surprised?", the answer is obvious: because you only hear what you want to hear. It is simply impossible to argue with someone who believes that perversion of the truth is fine as long as it's the good ol' US of A who's the pervert. Yeeee-haw, good buddy! Over and out. |
beerbarrel wrote:
It's pretty self explanatory. It means that patriots like me pay for people that have no loyalty to their country. What a crock. You posted that you got OUT of the forces because you got TIRED of defending the rights of people who didn't agree with you. Were you lying then or are you lying now? mike |
beerbarrel wrote:
Did I say I was owed something? I feel like I owe the government for being able to live in such great country. You have managed to miss the whole point of democracy. The government is your SERVANT, not master. You owe the government NOTHING. The people that work for YOU are the ones who owe YOU for the privilege of serving. Until you and your drone buddies get that through your apparently brainwashed heads, your servants will keep taking away your money and liberty. Given any opportunity, these 'servants' turn into self serving scum. They seem to have your complete support. Shameful. mike |
FDR wrote:
Once again, what is politically correct? In today's climate, being politically correct means not questioning the US. As the president has said, you are either with us or against us. -=jd=- "Politically correct" is a false concept that forces people to ignore bad things, ideas and people so you don't offend anyone. It is the dumbest idea I've ever heard, short of letting everyone on the Internet. If someone offends me, I tell them. If someone comes up with a stupid idea, I'll tell them that its stupid, and why. If someone is a royal pain in the ass, I'll tell them I don't want anything to do with them. To sum it all up, being "Politically correct" means you're afraid to open your mouth to anyone, about anything. I'm too damn old and too tired for that liberal garbage. I am not a sheep, I'm the one chasing the sheep with the shears. -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... FDR wrote: Once again, what is politically correct? In today's climate, being politically correct means not questioning the US. As the president has said, you are either with us or against us. -=jd=- "Politically correct" is a false concept that forces people to ignore bad things, ideas and people so you don't offend anyone. It is the dumbest idea I've ever heard, short of letting everyone on the Internet. If someone offends me, I tell them. If someone comes up with a stupid idea, I'll tell them that its stupid, and why. If someone is a royal pain in the ass, I'll tell them I don't want anything to do with them. To sum it all up, being "Politically correct" means you're afraid to open your mouth to anyone, about anything. I'm too damn old and too tired for that liberal garbage. I am not a sheep, I'm the one chasing the sheep with the shears. There are sheep on both sides of the fence.. and the wolf is on the prowl.. |
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... FDR wrote: "-=jd=-" wrote in message . 21... On Sun 01 May 2005 08:21:08p, "FDR" wrote in message : Once again, what is politically correct? Feigning or actually being offended because someone else either writes about or displays patriotism. Ad if someone feigns or is actually ofended that someone else displays a contempt for patriotism, that would be politically incorrect? There is no "Politically incorrect", any more than there is "Politically correct". Both are bull concepts with no meaning whatsoever. What most people call "politically correct" nowadays was called "respect" or "manners" when I grew up.. |
On 02 May 2005 23:28:00 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote: On Mon 02 May 2005 01:12:45a, m II wrote in message news:hFide.52208$3V3.20235@edtnps89: beerbarrel wrote: Did I say I was owed something? I feel like I owe the government for being able to live in such great country. You have managed to miss the whole point of democracy. The government is your SERVANT, not master. You owe the government NOTHING. The people that work for YOU are the ones who owe YOU for the privilege of serving. So, where do these people come from - these public servants you speak of? Do not the ranks of "Public Servant" include everyone from street-sweeper to Governor; from soldier to President? Tracy has done his part and served over two decades and I admire that sacrifice. You better be thankful for the public servants serving you as well. If not for those willing to serve those who are not willing to serve, you may find yourself having to peel your own grapes and performing other unpleasant tasks beneath your social station... -=jd=- Blah Blah Blah - Always the same crap..... over and over again. |
Brenda Ann wrote:
What most people call "politically correct" nowadays was called "respect" or "manners" when I grew up.. I understand the concept of respect, but a lot of garbage gets the "PC" label, rather than face the truth. Right after 9/11 some idiot newscaster was talking about "Not saying anything to offend the terrorists". I wanted to puke. On the other hand, respect is a two way street, and respect is earned, not mandated. I had the owner's son of a company I worked for get in my face and yell that he "Demanded my respect!". He had stolen new hand tools out of my toolbox, and in general he couldn't be trusted. I told him that you don't demand respect, that you have to earn it every day. -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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