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OFF TOPIC Phoenix Man Dies After Being Tasered
Phoenix Man Dies After Being Tasered
http://channels.netscape.com/ns/news...16440001150542 &dt=20050503164400&w=APO&coview= 13 Taser related deaths in the U.S. and Canada in the first three months of this year, compared with 6 for the same time period last year. Interesting. I listen daily to the police radio in my area, we have at least one Taser Queen officer, she must literally Tase 10 people a month, at the least. Yesterday, two male officers on a call for a psychotic patient, were asked by the dispatch if one of them had a Taser. The one officer replied "oh yeah", in a very exuberant manner. Guess what? He called in minutes later, asking for an ambulance, as he had to Tase the man. Imagine that. Every time they Tase someone here, they take him/her to the hospital. Recently, the officer remained the Tased patient at the hospital for at least 2 hours, and had to be relieved by another officer. Too bad that the hospital doesn't give priority to Tased patients, but then again, I guess they would need to build another wing. This area doesn't have the manpower to waste babysitting Taser victims in the hospital. Of course, those of you that are blindly Pro law enforcement will balk, after all being a cop is a dangerous job. But so is being a fireman, a lineman, a chemical plant worker, a Lobster Fisherman, etc. If the officers are so intimidated by their work, they have the freedom to get a desk job somewhere. We can't condone the sacrifice of the Rights and Freedoms of ordinary Americans to make the world a safer place for cops. Of course, none of this will happen to you. My sons were accosted by 2 Pittsburgh cops after my son had made an illegal left turn. He had his license, owners and insurance card, the car was registered and inspected. Ordinarily, they issue a ticket and you're on your way. Not so this time. One officer proceeded as expected, the other stood there and tried to instigate my sons into an outburst. The stereo in the car was removed for service (I had it at my house), and one officer asked about the missing radio by asking "what the **** is the story with the hole in the dash"? My son explained. Shortly after that, the same officer, while looking at the outside of the car said "what a piece of **** this car is, but I guess there's an ass for every seat". He continued by insisting that my son was drunk, they reached in and searched the inside of the car, such as in the door storage areas, and he kept saying "we know that you have drugs, just tell us, and we'll let you go". This went on for about 15 minutes, when my oldest son (28 years old, he wasn't the driver), finally said "our uncle is a police officer". The 2 cops got a chuckle out of that, and they said "oh yeah, where does he work"? My son gave them the details. (their uncle is a detective with the Pittsburgh Police). The officers grew silent and went off to the side to talk to each other. They returned and said that they were going to let them go, as long as my son thought he was fit to drive. What would have happened if my sons lost their temper? Taser time! Never mind that they didn't have anything for the officers to hold them for. They were just going to anger my sons until they got mad, and charge them with something. Yes yes, he did make an illegal turn, this would justify a ticket, not the harassment. Dr. Artaud |
On Wed, 04 May 2005 03:10:42 -0000, "€ Dr. Artaud €"
wrote: Phoenix Man Dies After Being Tasered http://channels.netscape.com/ns/news...16440001150542 &dt=20050503164400&w=APO&coview= 13 Taser related deaths in the U.S. and Canada in the first three months of this year, compared with 6 for the same time period last year. Interesting. I listen daily to the police radio in my area, we have at least one Taser Queen officer, she must literally Tase 10 people a month, at the least. Yesterday, two male officers on a call for a psychotic patient, were asked by the dispatch if one of them had a Taser. The one officer replied "oh yeah", in a very exuberant manner. Guess what? He called in minutes later, asking for an ambulance, as he had to Tase the man. Imagine that. Every time they Tase someone here, they take him/her to the hospital. Recently, the officer remained the Tased patient at the hospital for at least 2 hours, and had to be relieved by another officer. Too bad that the hospital doesn't give priority to Tased patients, but then again, I guess they would need to build another wing. This area doesn't have the manpower to waste babysitting Taser victims in the hospital. Of course, those of you that are blindly Pro law enforcement will balk, after all being a cop is a dangerous job. But so is being a fireman, a lineman, a chemical plant worker, a Lobster Fisherman, etc. If the officers are so intimidated by their work, they have the freedom to get a desk job somewhere. We can't condone the sacrifice of the Rights and Freedoms of ordinary Americans to make the world a safer place for cops. Of course, none of this will happen to you. My sons were accosted by 2 Pittsburgh cops after my son had made an illegal left turn. He had his license, owners and insurance card, the car was registered and inspected. Ordinarily, they issue a ticket and you're on your way. Not so this time. One officer proceeded as expected, the other stood there and tried to instigate my sons into an outburst. The stereo in the car was removed for service (I had it at my house), and one officer asked about the missing radio by asking "what the **** is the story with the hole in the dash"? My son explained. Shortly after that, the same officer, while looking at the outside of the car said "what a piece of **** this car is, but I guess there's an ass for every seat". He continued by insisting that my son was drunk, they reached in and searched the inside of the car, such as in the door storage areas, and he kept saying "we know that you have drugs, just tell us, and we'll let you go". This went on for about 15 minutes, when my oldest son (28 years old, he wasn't the driver), finally said "our uncle is a police officer". The 2 cops got a chuckle out of that, and they said "oh yeah, where does he work"? My son gave them the details. (their uncle is a detective with the Pittsburgh Police). The officers grew silent and went off to the side to talk to each other. They returned and said that they were going to let them go, as long as my son thought he was fit to drive. What would have happened if my sons lost their temper? Taser time! Never mind that they didn't have anything for the officers to hold them for. They were just going to anger my sons until they got mad, and charge them with something. Yes yes, he did make an illegal turn, this would justify a ticket, not the harassment. Dr. Artaud You live in the Salt River Valley? That explains a lot. |
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======= € Dr. Artaud € wrote: Phoenix Man Dies After Being Tasered http://channels.netscape.com/ns/news...16440001150542 &dt=20050503164400&w=APO&coview= 13 Taser related deaths in the U.S. and Canada in the first three months of this year, compared with 6 for the same time period last year. Interesting. I listen daily to the police radio in my area, we have at least one Taser Queen officer, she must literally Tase 10 people a month, at the least. Yesterday, two male officers on a call for a psychotic patient, were asked by the dispatch if one of them had a Taser. The one officer replied "oh yeah", in a very exuberant manner. Guess what? He called in minutes later, asking for an ambulance, as he had to Tase the man. Imagine that. Every time they Tase someone here, they take him/her to the hospital. Recently, the officer remained the Tased patient at the hospital for at least 2 hours, and had to be relieved by another officer. Too bad that the hospital doesn't give priority to Tased patients, but then again, I guess they would need to build another wing. This area doesn't have the manpower to waste babysitting Taser victims in the hospital. Of course, those of you that are blindly Pro law enforcement will balk, after all being a cop is a dangerous job. But so is being a fireman, a lineman, a chemical plant worker, a Lobster Fisherman, etc. If the officers are so intimidated by their work, they have the freedom to get a desk job somewhere. We can't condone the sacrifice of the Rights and Freedoms of ordinary Americans to make the world a safer place for cops. Of course, none of this will happen to you. My sons were accosted by 2 Pittsburgh cops after my son had made an illegal left turn. He had his license, owners and insurance card, the car was registered and inspected. Ordinarily, they issue a ticket and you're on your way. Not so this time. One officer proceeded as expected, the other stood there and tried to instigate my sons into an outburst. The stereo in the car was removed for service (I had it at my house), and one officer asked about the missing radio by asking "what the **** is the story with the hole in the dash"? My son explained. Shortly after that, the same officer, while looking at the outside of the car said "what a piece of **** this car is, but I guess there's an ass for every seat". He continued by insisting that my son was drunk, they reached in and searched the inside of the car, such as in the door storage areas, and he kept saying "we know that you have drugs, just tell us, and we'll let you go". This went on for about 15 minutes, when my oldest son (28 years old, he wasn't the driver), finally said "our uncle is a police officer". The 2 cops got a chuckle out of that, and they said "oh yeah, where does he work"? My son gave them the details. (their uncle is a detective with the Pittsburgh Police). The officers grew silent and went off to the side to talk to each other. They returned and said that they were going to let them go, as long as my son thought he was fit to drive. What would have happened if my sons lost their temper? Taser time! Never mind that they didn't have anything for the officers to hold them for. They were just going to anger my sons until they got mad, and charge them with something. Yes yes, he did make an illegal turn, this would justify a ticket, not the harassment. Dr. Artaud |
"David" wrote in message ... You live in the Salt River Valley? That explains a lot. It does? |
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"RHF" wrote in news:1115236890.431995.103040
@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: http://newstandardnews.net/content/?...em&itemid=1486 http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/...tml?source=rss http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/document.do?id= 1A01E91E134A327080256F190042408D http://www.stolenlives.org/read/index.php? action=show§ion=area_los_angeles.xml&display=L OS+ANGELES&area=19 Let's see, what is the alternative? 1. Reevaluate the regulations stipulating the physical size that officers need to be to be on the force. When you have tiny women wielding guns and Tasers, you are going to have problems with the use of force where otherwise unnecessary. A woman officer here, using her firearm, shot a fleeing prisoner in the back, killing him. The prisoner's hands were cuffed behind him. Allegedly he was a Karate Expert, but was some distance away from her when she killed him. Of course her actions were deemed justifiable. This may have been a justifiable use for a Taser. A 14 year old girl, refusing to yield to the demands of a Truancy Officer, crossing the street instead, was Tased and collapsed in the middle of the street, breaking her nose and placing her in risk of being struck by traffic. She lived. THIS IS NOT a justifiable use of Tasers. A 72 year old woman, attempting to visit a friend in a retirement home, discovered that the friend was not in her room. She remained in the Home, but the officials there objected and asked her to leave. She didn't, fearing that her friend was sick. As a woman officer approached the 72 year old woman, the 72 year old finally spotted her friend in the hallway, and started towards her. The officer stopped her, telling her that she was under arrest. When she continued towards her friend, she was Tased by the woman officer, collapsing to the floor. Yeah RHF, these are real tough criminals deserving to be Tased. Fortunately they had the Tasers though, I can see them shooting a 72 year old with a firearm, or beating her with a night stick. LOL. You think in terms of the Serious Criminal, armed to the teeth, I think in terms of the people that are comparatively innocent, that these officers are abusing and shooting, especially with Tasers. 2. Educate officers that everyone other then their own "are not enemies". Unfortunately, you have obsessed on one aspect of my post, ignoring the remainder. Whether an officer shoots someone dead or electrocutes them is a moot point, as dead people are still dead. Increasingly, the public is held at a much higher bar than the officers are, e.g. officers shoot an unarmed man in New York, striking him 18 times, out of 40 or so shots fired altogether. The autopsy showed that a shot went through the man's foot, from bottom to top, indicating that they were still shooting at him after he had fallen. The man had no gun or weapon, committed no crime, had no police record, yet the shooting was held to be justifiable. If you shoot an intruder that is wielding a gun, you most likely will still be arrested, still miss work, still spend money on an attorney. The officers may have been suspended "with" pay, and don't need to pay for their defense. It's unconscionable that police continue to escalate the use of force when no force is warranted. It's unconscionable that they try to provoke a situation where no situation exists. Lastly, many occupations need to cope with dangerous situations, many more dangerous than what the police experience. If they feel overwhelmed, let them find new employment, let's not sacrifice our Rights for their conveniences. Dr. Artaud Lets See - What Are Our Alternatives : |
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In a small central KY town I witnessed the LAW use a tasser on a
young woman who was not fighting or arguing. The LEO in just walked up and shot her in teh back. Now maybe she was a wanted escaped felon known to be armed or skilled in un-armed conflict. Or, a more likely, the cop weas just being the jerk that small town LEO so often are. But it was pretty damn cold. She was talking with her boyfriend/live in and he was the loud threatening one. We, wife and I, wer loading abrric into our car and we saw maybe 5 minutes before the shooting. I don't know what happened and I didn't get envolved. It was in a walmart parking lot on a Satuday afternoon. Shocked the hell out o f me and my wife. But like I said maybe there was more to it then what we witnessed. Or maybe teh LEO was just a jerk. I remember thinking at the time if this happened a little further into the hills that cop could expect a 3030 some morning with no warning no threats. Blood fueds are not supposed to be a long gone past time in eastern KY. But I khave heard credible stories of how certain bully LEOs came to sad violent ends over the last 20 years. I am not advocating any action on the part of anyone. Just mentioning something that I saw and relating it to a certain KSP LEO who died abruptly. The KSP officer had a bad reputation of beatting the crap out of people. One cicitzen is reported have taken direct action. Of course the KSP made sure the perp never came to trial. If anyone wants I will try to dig out web based refferences. The perp was shot dead by a KSP officer in Indiana. Terry |
On Wed, 04 May 2005 21:55:54 -0000, "€ Dr. Artaud €"
wrote: 2. Educate officers that everyone other then their own "are not enemies". The current doctrine is -- There are three inds of people in the world -- cops, cops' families and suspects. Unfortunately, you have obsessed on one aspect of my post, ignoring the remainder. Whether an officer shoots someone dead or electrocutes them is a moot point, as dead people are still dead. Increasingly, the public is held at a much higher bar than the officers are, e.g. officers shoot an unarmed man in New York, striking him 18 times, out of 40 or so shots fired altogether. If that was a record, it fell today -- 96 shots fired at a wacko, but unarmed man in a van in Compton, CA. He was hit four times (great marksmen that they are). Watching the 18 seconds of shooting on TV, you have to wonder why some cops weren't killed as they were arranged as a circular firing squad. Of course it took many fewer shots a few weeks back to waste another unarmed wacko who had the temerity to brandish a rock at the CHP in San Mateo, CA. The autopsy showed that a shot went through the man's foot, from bottom to top, indicating that they were still shooting at him after he had fallen. The man had no gun or weapon, committed no crime, had no police record, yet the shooting was held to be justifiable. If you shoot an intruder that is wielding a gun, you most likely will still be arrested, still miss work, still spend money on an attorney. The officers may have been suspended "with" pay, and don't need to pay for their defense. It's unconscionable that police continue to escalate the use of force when no force is warranted. It's unconscionable that they try to provoke a situation where no situation exists. Lastly, many occupations need to cope with dangerous situations, many more dangerous than what the police experience. If they feel overwhelmed, let them find new employment, let's not sacrifice our Rights for their conveniences. Dr. Artaud Lets See - What Are Our Alternatives : |
On 04 May 2005 23:12:00 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote: On Wed 04 May 2005 05:55:54p, "€ Dr. Artaud €" wrote in message : "RHF" wrote in news:1115236890.431995.103040 @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: http://newstandardnews.net/content/?...em&itemid=1486 http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/...tml?source=rss http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/document.do?id= 1A01E91E134A327080256F190042408D http://www.stolenlives.org/read/index.php? action=show§ion=area_los_angeles.xml&display=L OS+ANGELES&area=19 Let's see, what is the alternative? Among all your suggestions, did you forget to add: Educate the public to *not* treat the phrase "You Are Under Arrest" as the signal to flee and/or fight? So knuckle under regardless of the circumstances. Sieg heil. That might help. After all, your boys were smart enough to know how to behave with a couple of officers behaving like cretins and they came out just fine. The cretins would have escalated as requierd to accomplish their ends had his son not gotten himself moved from category 3 to category 2 of "cops, cops' families and suspects". |
On 4 May 2005 20:19:32 -0700, "RHF"
wrote: JD, . The number (percentage) of "Bad Out Comes" typically increases with the amount of Drugs and Alcohol that is consumed by the Citizen {Suspect} prior to their 'encounter' with the Police. Often these 'encounters' become "Confrontations" as a result of the impaired mental ability Hostile Actions of the Citizen {Suspect}. More likely as a result of cop harrassment of anyone not deemed to be on their list of favpred citizen types. . All the Police can do is react to the actions of the citizen. - If the Citizen is non-aggressive and compliant with the instructions of the Police; usually the outcome is civil. Always wear a quick-release buckle on your pants so you can quickly turn yourself out. They'll require that if you show any sign of asserting your rights. I assume you mean "compliant" as in the phrase "compliant wench". - However, if Citizen is Aggressive and non-compliant with the instructions of the Police; usually the outcome is Confrontational and Hostile; since the Police are forced to maintain control of the situation. Actually they're psychotically addicted to "maintaining control" including considering the citizen to be hostile if they so much as say "What?" to an ill-phrased question. It's as if you were challenging their intelligence to misunderstand them. . A Drunk that proceeds to Attack a Police Officer with their Fists; uses a weapon or tries to take a Police Officer's Gun is a Danger to every other Citizen. . A person on Drugs that can not be subdued and is Combative and requiring several Police Offices to Restrain them is a Danger to themselves and every other Citizen. Every other citizen, my ass. Most citizes have enough sense not to approach too close. once again - the use of a tazer to subdue a citizen may be the best answer to a bad situation Only if the officer isn't obviously coming in his pants at the opportunity to use it. ~ RHF . . . . . |
"k" - Clearly 'you' should keep as much distance
between the Police and 'yourself' as possible. (For Their Safety :o) ~ RHF |
On 12 May 2005 21:32:29 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote: So knuckle under regardless of the circumstances. Sieg heil. Sieg Heil? Ha! Aren't you "special"! Meaningless red herring. Regardless of the circumstances, according to the law as written by elected representatives, when a LEO utters the magic phrase, "You are under arrest", you have *zero* legal recourse I haveplenty of legal recourse, including notifying the dimwis if I have pertinent medical conditions relating to my arrest, right to explain why they might be making a grave error in arresting me, notification of my Miranda rights, etc. Little "magic words" formulas don't cut it in reducing me to having "zero rights" no matter how lusty and tough it sounds to you. other than to submit to the arrest, be read your rights, get booked into custody and engage the services of an attorney. You don't have to like it - and you can make your "sieg heil" apples and oranges comparisons all you like - but that's the facts of life. So you agree with the Nazification of Amerika? Explain, if you can, how abiding by the law is "Nazification". Try to bear in mind that you are two-for-two in "apples and oranges" comparisons so far. Knuckling under to perceived "laws" as interpreted by those who have an interest in keeping you from asserting your real rights invites abuse by those do so. Ergo -- Nazification. I personally know too many cops (including few in my own family) to give any credence to what you think goes on in the real world. The lack of character, morality and ethics in your family may explain your warped point of view. They were exactly representative of the attitudes of their co-workers. In more than one West Coast city. In any event, I have far more first-hand experience than you realize. Yeah, and I'm the chief of police of NYC. Whoopee. Let's start with the time I heard, in a municpal courthouse cafeteria, a bunch of deputies at a nearby table yukking it up about a fellow "officer of the law." He was said to be "just a little too macho" because he beat the **** out of a nun he had in custody. Yet, had he been dropped, as he so righteously should have been, he'd have been lauded as "one of our own" and "a fallen hero". Barf! Umm... Yeah... Right... And you purport to be a judge of anyone else's "creedence"? Gimme a break... Do you consider your "answer" in any way to diminish my "creedence" [sic]? I simply reported a first hand experience of smug cop thuggishness inside a courthouse and you feel qualified to blow it off with a supercilious "Umm... Yeah... Right..." If that's the best you can offer, drop out and drop dead. |
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