Darth Vader And G.W. Bush: A Common Vision Of Empire?
 

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Darth Vader And G.W. Bush: A Common Vision Of Empire?


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Pope fears Bush is antichrist, journalist contends.

WASHINGTON DC -- According to freelance journalist Wayne Madsden, "George W
Bush's blood lust, his repeated commitment to Christian beliefs and his constant
references to 'evil doers,' in the eyes of many devout Catholic leaders, bear
all the hallmarks of the one warned about in the Book of Revelations--the
anti-Christ."

Madsen, a Washington-based writer and columnist, who often writes for
Counterpunch, says that people close to the pope claim that amid these concerns,
the pontiff wishes he was younger and in better health to confront the
possibility that Bush may represent the person prophesized in Revelations. John
Paul II has always believed the world was on the precipice of the final
confrontation between Good and Evil as foretold in the New Testament.

Before he became pope, Karol Cardinal Wojtyla said, "We are now standing in
the face of the greatest historical confrontation humanity has gone through. I
do not think that wide circles of the American society or wide circles of the
Christian community realize this fully. We are now facing the final
confrontation between the church and the anti-Church, of the Gospel versus the
anti-Gospel."

The pope worked tirelessly to convince leaders of nations on the UN
Security Council to oppose Bush's war resolution on Iraq. Vatican sources claim
they had not seen the pope more animated and determined since he fell ill to
Parkinson's Disease. In the end, the pope did convince the leaders of Mexico,
Chile, Cameroon and Guinea to oppose the U.S. resolution.

Madsen contends that "Bush is a dangerous right-wing ideologue who couples
his political fanaticism with a neo-Christian blood cult."


http://www.gutlesspacifist.com/gp/archives/001994.html

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m II wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Darth Vader And G.W. Bush: A Common Vision Of Empire?


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Pope fears Bush is antichrist, journalist contends.

WASHINGTON DC -- According to freelance journalist Wayne Madsden, "George W
Bush's blood lust, his repeated commitment to Christian beliefs and his constant
references to 'evil doers,' in the eyes of many devout Catholic leaders, bear
all the hallmarks of the one warned about in the Book of Revelations--the
anti-Christ."

Madsen, a Washington-based writer and columnist, who often writes for
Counterpunch, says that people close to the pope claim that amid these concerns,
the pontiff wishes he was younger and in better health to confront the
possibility that Bush may represent the person prophesized in Revelations. John
Paul II has always believed the world was on the precipice of the final
confrontation between Good and Evil as foretold in the New Testament.

Before he became pope, Karol Cardinal Wojtyla said, "We are now standing in
the face of the greatest historical confrontation humanity has gone through. I
do not think that wide circles of the American society or wide circles of the
Christian community realize this fully. We are now facing the final
confrontation between the church and the anti-Church, of the Gospel versus the
anti-Gospel."

The pope worked tirelessly to convince leaders of nations on the UN
Security Council to oppose Bush's war resolution on Iraq. Vatican sources claim
they had not seen the pope more animated and determined since he fell ill to
Parkinson's Disease. In the end, the pope did convince the leaders of Mexico,
Chile, Cameroon and Guinea to oppose the U.S. resolution.

Madsen contends that "Bush is a dangerous right-wing ideologue who couples
his political fanaticism with a neo-Christian blood cult."


http://www.gutlesspacifist.com/gp/archives/001994.html

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I have been shocked to hear faithful leftists, people who never gave a
second thought to the Bible, suddenly talking about Bush being the Third
Antichrist as predicted by Nostradamus. W is THAT EVIL! And he has
millions of American followers foaming at the mouth to eliminate all
rivals to their god. Judges not ruling in accordance to the Bush
Doctrine? Muzzle them, in any way possible, including murder! Muslims
****ed off that the US is treating them like **** while stealing their
oil? Nuke them, all of them, from Morocco to Pakistan! North Korea
refusing to bow to US hegemony? Attack! Eventually Bush is going to
realize that the American public will follow him directly into the lake
of fire if so bidden, and then all hell will break loose-literally. The
more the Muslims and North Koreans and Iraqi insurgents attack the US,
the greater the screams for a Final Solution-US style-to the "problem"
of the world not meekly bowing down to God W become from Bush's amen
chorus in the US. There is an increasing push among the fundies to use
massive nuclear strikes to destroy the world and thus force the Second
Coming. This, needless to say, would abruptly end civilization and
possibly humanity's reign on earth.



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running dogg wrote:

m II wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Darth Vader And G.W. Bush: A Common Vision Of Empire?


================================================== =======
Pope fears Bush is antichrist, journalist contends.

WASHINGTON DC -- According to freelance journalist Wayne Madsden, "George W
Bush's blood lust, his repeated commitment to Christian beliefs and his constant
references to 'evil doers,' in the eyes of many devout Catholic leaders, bear
all the hallmarks of the one warned about in the Book of Revelations--the
anti-Christ."

Madsen, a Washington-based writer and columnist, who often writes for
Counterpunch, says that people close to the pope claim that amid these concerns,
the pontiff wishes he was younger and in better health to confront the
possibility that Bush may represent the person prophesized in Revelations. John
Paul II has always believed the world was on the precipice of the final
confrontation between Good and Evil as foretold in the New Testament.

Before he became pope, Karol Cardinal Wojtyla said, "We are now standing in
the face of the greatest historical confrontation humanity has gone through. I
do not think that wide circles of the American society or wide circles of the
Christian community realize this fully. We are now facing the final
confrontation between the church and the anti-Church, of the Gospel versus the
anti-Gospel."

The pope worked tirelessly to convince leaders of nations on the UN
Security Council to oppose Bush's war resolution on Iraq. Vatican sources claim
they had not seen the pope more animated and determined since he fell ill to
Parkinson's Disease. In the end, the pope did convince the leaders of Mexico,
Chile, Cameroon and Guinea to oppose the U.S. resolution.

Madsen contends that "Bush is a dangerous right-wing ideologue who couples
his political fanaticism with a neo-Christian blood cult."


http://www.gutlesspacifist.com/gp/archives/001994.html

================================================== ==========

I have been shocked to hear faithful leftists, people who never gave a
second thought to the Bible, suddenly talking about Bush being the Third
Antichrist as predicted by Nostradamus. W is THAT EVIL! And he has
millions of American followers foaming at the mouth to eliminate all
rivals to their god. Judges not ruling in accordance to the Bush
Doctrine? Muzzle them, in any way possible, including murder! Muslims
****ed off that the US is treating them like **** while stealing their
oil? Nuke them, all of them, from Morocco to Pakistan! North Korea
refusing to bow to US hegemony? Attack! Eventually Bush is going to
realize that the American public will follow him directly into the lake
of fire if so bidden, and then all hell will break loose-literally. The
more the Muslims and North Koreans and Iraqi insurgents attack the US,
the greater the screams for a Final Solution-US style-to the "problem"
of the world not meekly bowing down to God W become from Bush's amen
chorus in the US. There is an increasing push among the fundies to use
massive nuclear strikes to destroy the world and thus force the Second
Coming. This, needless to say, would abruptly end civilization and
possibly humanity's reign on earth.

Get over it 'tard boy. George will be gone in January of 2009 and then you'll be off
bitching about someone or something else.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Just remember: Jesus loves you but the rest of the world thinks you are
an asshole. :-P

We will sadly never have any president of the calibar and of the values
as our original founding fathers, all of which would roll over in there
grave if they saw the state of the country and it's international
fiddling. The only ones killing America are it's people who forgot the
real American values, the original American values which has been
replaced by neocons and left-wing liberal mindsets.

RedOctober wrote:

We will sadly never have any president of the calibar and of the values
as our original founding fathers, all of which would roll over in there
grave if they saw the state of the country and it's international
fiddling. The only ones killing America are it's people who forgot the
real American values, the original American values which has been
replaced by neocons and left-wing liberal mindsets.

Darth Vader is Bill Frist. Bush is Emperor Palapatine.

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Darth Vader is Bill Frist. Bush is Emperor Palapatine.

Oh lookie, a Mikey Moore wannbe. You might want to snug up that tinfoil hat
there libtard.

RedOctober wrote:



We will sadly never have any president of the calibar and of the values
as our original founding fathers, all of which would roll over in there
grave if they saw the state of the country and it's international
fiddling. The only ones killing America are it's people who forgot the
real American values, the original American values which has been
replaced by neocons and left-wing liberal mindsets.


Unfortunately, I have to agree. The American magazine Newsweek has a
feature this week in its US edition about George Washington, who would
be outraged at the "entangling alliances with foreign powers" that we
have gotten ourselves into. Washington was not brilliant by any means,
but he knew how to lead warring factions and knock heads to get things
done if need be. Washington didn't pander to anybody, a skill that's
badly needed today. He would see us playing the role of the British in
Iraq, and march down to the White House to knock some sense into the
current George who's occupying that building. If we had those men around
today, America would be great again. Jefferson would be urging the
American public to rebel against Bush-literally, by taking up arms and
forcibly removing him from power.


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"running dogg" wrote in message
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RedOctober wrote:



We will sadly never have any president of the calibar and of the values
as our original founding fathers, all of which would roll over in there
grave if they saw the state of the country and it's international
fiddling. The only ones killing America are it's people who forgot the
real American values, the original American values which has been
replaced by neocons and left-wing liberal mindsets.


Unfortunately, I have to agree. The American magazine Newsweek has a
feature this week in its US edition about George Washington, who would
be outraged at the "entangling alliances with foreign powers" that we
have gotten ourselves into.
Entangling alliances my ass. Who asked the US to go to Iraq or don't you
count that one? Some nations were bullied into that one. When you make a
state do something, or else, you can call it more than a few things but
"alliance" isn't one of them. Still other nations were coerced into
promising they would never hand any American over to the ICC. They only did
that after Bush pulled out of the court and couldn't get nations to enter
into private treaties that would assure the US this or that nation would
fork any American over to the court. On more than a few occasions, the US
seems to think they should get special treatment, as a superpower. They
wouldn't have a clue about superpowers in 1776. But they certainly
understood the British Empire. It was their bullying and overall attitude
that caused the American Revolution.
You have filibusters because the Bush White House wants to ram through
nominations that will see the religious fundamentalists have their way, who
the hell cares about the separation of church and state. Which is pretty
bizarre given the fact that those Mayflower passengers fled because the
state had it's nose in their religion. Now Bush wants to get religion back
into prominence in state affairs.
If Washington would be doing anything, he'd be rolling his grave about what
Bush is doing to America. Then again, he probably has been doing that
already. It's a safe bet that the right to bear arms didn't mean yahoos
could equip themselves with the sort of firearms Americans have been getting
their hands on.
Washington was not brilliant by any means,
but he knew how to lead warring factions and knock heads to get things
done if need be. Washington didn't pander to anybody, a skill that's
badly needed today.
Uh huh. Gimme a break. The US isn't pandering to anybody, they're too busy
bullying and acting as the self appointed police for the world.

He would see the us playing the role of the British in
Iraq, and march down to the White House to knock some sense into the
current George who's occupying that building. If we had those men around
today, America would be great again. Jefferson would be urging the
American public to rebel against Bush-literally, by taking up arms and
forcibly removing him from power.
Instead he was re-elected, no iffy parts to his getting his second term,
except for the way Bush's fanatics m,ade sure John Kerry never got elected,
all that Swift Boats crap that came out of Texas. But you're right,
Washington would probably try to knocke sense into GWBush. What good would
it do though? America took him back, and he's been even more in your face
about ramming his agenda in everyones face. Under him, America is now like
the Empire Washington sought to get out of.
It's more than a little ironic too. Kerry is a Bostonian. I'm not even
American but I got the sense of history and the American Revolution that
Boston exudes. Instead of that, America got a man who got out of going to
Vietnam and apparently even fulfilling National Guard duty. I don't think
Washington would ever have asked citizens to do something he was unwilling
to do, go to war and maybe even give his life. Then there's that whole myth
about George Washington's truthfullness and the chopping down of a cherry
tree. It's a myth but it's not the kind of myth anyone can expect to see
grow around Bush.
ADF


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Virtually everyone now knows that the reasons President Bush gave for invading Iraq
were invalid and even deceptive. Therefore, whatever the real reasons for the
invasion were, they were known only to Bush and a few selected insiders.

The sadd truth in the U.S. is that a great deal of us STILL THINK there was
a connection between 9-11 and Iraq, or that there were WMD's, but some how
Saddam managed to hide them. (we are incapable of thinking that maybe, just
maybe.. Bin Laden didn't like the relatively secular nature of Iraq, the implications
of that are more than our little minds can comprehend.)

I'd say 90% of us believed the U.S. intelligence actually suggested an attack.
it didn't, our own CIA recommended against it, the only reason I know this is
because I listened to the hearings where they gave Bush the "blank check",
yep.. we can thank our president AND congress (including Sen. Kerry) for the
Iraq mess. The congress just didn't want to appear "unpatriotic", as far as I'm
concerned, congress sent those men and women to their death because they didn't
want to "look bad". Mostly we can thank the president, still don't know why
he did it, but I know it wasn't the intelligence reports.

Furthermore, not only is there no resolution in sight for America's military
involvement in Iraq, it now seems that the Bush administration is making plans to
extend the war into Syria and Iran and even to North Korea.

And as soon as he does, 90% of us will agree, we'll think it's a good idea.
We're dumb enough to believe whatever excuse given.

First, there will be talk of more war.

Most americans will oppose it.

The politicians will tell us it's a good idea because (insert
emotional cause here, BS reason there, etc... something with
an emotional "punch")

Most americans will be in favor of it, we won't bother to actually
think about it.

This is the way it went in the persian gulf, this is the way it went
in the latest "liberate Iraq" war.

If history proves itself, until we're actually slaughtered, beaten and our
brothers,fathers and husbands killed, wives and sisters raped.. until someone
actually invades U.S. soil and affects all of us... Americans (that's us) will
have grand visions of war.

I wish we WOULD ask why nations outside the U.S. might develop atomic
weapons. We'd rather not think about that. We'd rather hang chinese made
american flags on poles and talk about how proud we oughta be.

It is as though the white house has played the jedi mind trick on us, where
the jedi would convince you to say & think something by repeating it to you.

Our greatest enemy is our ignorance.

I believe it is time that the American people (especially conservatives) begin
asking themselves some serious questions. Does George W. Bush intend that the United
States be in a state of perpetual war? Is he seeking "monsters" to destroy? Does he
envision a global empire headed by all powerful rulers? These questions deserve
studious attention, especially when one recalls that shortly after being elected
President Bush once quipped, "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot
easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." Looking back, we might need to consider
that he was not joking!

Ha! you're dreaming. We're kept in perpetual distraction via issues like gay
marriage. (a concept I find highly amusing.. it is as though the religious
folks believe the government some how has more power than God to decide who can
and cannot get married, very interesting..)

A good thing to (try anyhow) read is mein kempf by another famous dictator,
you can tell it was written before they invented word processors, but the bit
about "war propaganda" and the capacity for the populus to forget is quite
amusing. It's also very sadd because there is absolutely nothing we can
do to stop it. I've always wondered how the citizens who weren't in agreement
might have felt. Guess we get to find out. :-(

President Bush is making it very difficult for conservatives such as myself to
articulate to people the difference between the need of an independent republic
(what America used to be) for a strong, ready defense and the need of a global
empire (what America is becoming) for an omnipotent, omnipresent global police
force. Put another way, do Lucas' fictional character Darth Vader and President G.W.
Bush share a common vision of empire? And would the American people even be able to
recognize it if they did?

Nope. Americans don't notice it. Most of us seem to promote it. Far as I'm concerned,
becomming an empire as you point out isn't a goal. It's already _here_.

We'll never be omnipotent though, actually I believe we're in for a fall as our
economic conditions seem to indicate. Aside from the lives, we simply cannot
sustain ourselves much less a military in a country where nearly everything is
imported.

There is literally nothing we can do about it. All we can do is watch it happen.

Jamie
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