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dxAce May 27th 05 07:42 PM



David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


wrote:

In: , dxAce
wrote:
FCC regulations don't apply to federal government-owned stations.
However, it is my understanding that an Act of Congress establishes a
similar prohibition against the Voice of America or other U.S.
government-owned stations broadcasting to a domestic audience. I
can't
cite that law though.

It's the Smith-Mundt Act as has been pointed out here numerous times.

I read about this law, thanks for the refresh on the title dxAce!

While the law makes sense (particularly in the context of when the law
was
passed, but same principle applies today)

I can't really comprehend how a private shortwave station would be held
to the same law, as it (smith mundt act) is designed to prevent
government
run propaganda (as we can see it worked flawlessly ;-/), wouldn't private
owned stations be excluded from this?


Somehow I think the same law has been made applicable to the privately
owned
stations, though I'm not 100% certain about that.


The law was intended to protect the clear channel AM stations from national
competition back 60 or so years.


Well, sort of...

dxAce
Michigan
USA



RHF May 27th 05 09:22 PM

DE,
And now we have both XM and Sirius Satellite Radio.
Clearly 'The Law' is Way Out Dated [.] ~ RHF


David Eduardo May 27th 05 10:47 PM


"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


wrote:

In: , dxAce
wrote:
FCC regulations don't apply to federal government-owned stations.
However, it is my understanding that an Act of Congress establishes
a
similar prohibition against the Voice of America or other U.S.
government-owned stations broadcasting to a domestic audience. I
can't
cite that law though.

It's the Smith-Mundt Act as has been pointed out here numerous times.

I read about this law, thanks for the refresh on the title dxAce!

While the law makes sense (particularly in the context of when the law
was
passed, but same principle applies today)

I can't really comprehend how a private shortwave station would be
held
to the same law, as it (smith mundt act) is designed to prevent
government
run propaganda (as we can see it worked flawlessly ;-/), wouldn't
private
owned stations be excluded from this?

Somehow I think the same law has been made applicable to the privately
owned
stations, though I'm not 100% certain about that.


The law was intended to protect the clear channel AM stations from
national
competition back 60 or so years.


Well, sort of...


If you read the appropriate reports from Broadcasting Magazine form the late
30's and the 40's, you will see the FCC rules (administrative law) are
intended to protect US clears from shortwave domestic competition. The
prohibition of the government using SW is totally different.



David Eduardo May 27th 05 10:47 PM


"RHF" wrote in message
oups.com...
DE,
And now we have both XM and Sirius Satellite Radio.
Clearly 'The Law' is Way Out Dated [.] ~ RHF


As are the clear channels.



dxAce May 27th 05 10:56 PM



David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


wrote:

In: , dxAce
wrote:
FCC regulations don't apply to federal government-owned stations.
However, it is my understanding that an Act of Congress establishes
a
similar prohibition against the Voice of America or other U.S.
government-owned stations broadcasting to a domestic audience. I
can't
cite that law though.

It's the Smith-Mundt Act as has been pointed out here numerous times.

I read about this law, thanks for the refresh on the title dxAce!

While the law makes sense (particularly in the context of when the law
was
passed, but same principle applies today)

I can't really comprehend how a private shortwave station would be
held
to the same law, as it (smith mundt act) is designed to prevent
government
run propaganda (as we can see it worked flawlessly ;-/), wouldn't
private
owned stations be excluded from this?

Somehow I think the same law has been made applicable to the privately
owned
stations, though I'm not 100% certain about that.

The law was intended to protect the clear channel AM stations from
national
competition back 60 or so years.


Well, sort of...


If you read the appropriate reports from Broadcasting Magazine form the late
30's and the 40's, you will see the FCC rules (administrative law) are
intended to protect US clears from shortwave domestic competition. The
prohibition of the government using SW is totally different.


Perhaps, but the Smith-Mundt Act more or less covers other issues.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



radioczar May 28th 05 12:24 AM

I believe WRNO out of New Orleans was a NA & SA broadcaster. One was
Rock and Roll with other programming. Don't know current status.
Jim


RHF May 28th 05 06:03 AM

DE - IBOC (DRM) Will Solve Everything ! ~ RHF
. . . . .


Doug Smith W9WI May 28th 05 12:36 PM

wrote:
I can't really comprehend how a private shortwave station would be held
to the same law, as it (smith mundt act) is designed to prevent government
run propaganda (as we can see it worked flawlessly ;-/), wouldn't private
owned stations be excluded from this?


Regular AM stations were worried about competition from shortwave
stations with unlimited coverage. I suspect they may have been
especially worried that NBC and CBS would build their own shortwave
stations and then yank their affiliations from their local stations.
--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com


Joel Rubin May 29th 05 02:18 PM

On 27 May 2005 05:47:24 -0700, "Invader3K"
wrote:

WBCQ "The Planet" is based in the US and broadcasts to the US as well
on shortwave.


Yeah, but don't they claim somewhere that their target audience is
Canada or Mexico or such? Wink, wink. Say no more.

Hmm - on their web page they say essentially the Western Hemisphere.
(North and South America and the Carribean)

http://www.rwonline.com/reference-ro...rtwave_2.shtml

[quote]
Second, in the United States, the SW bands are reserved for
international broadcasters.

"When the Voice of America was founded in 1947, it was prohibited from
broadcasting domestically, in order to prevent the government from
propagandizing to its citizens," says Larry Magne, editor in chief of
"Passport to World Band Radio."

"The FCC decided that if this rule applied to the VOA, it should also
apply to domestic shortwave broadcasters as well."

Fuzzy business model

However, according to NASB President and WRMI General Manager Jeff
White, the FCC's restriction has an important loophole.

"The current rules do not say SW stations cannot broadcast to the
U.S.," he said. "They say stations cannot broadcast programs that are
intended exclusively for an audience in the continental United
States."

As a result, U.S. shortwave broadcasters typically target countries
such as Canada and Mexico, with their signals coincidentally
blanketing any U.S. territory that happens to be in the way.

For instance, WRMI's 50 kW North American feed originates from a
Florida-based periodic yagi antenna pointed towards Vancouver at 317
degrees.

"With this heading, we manage to legally cover virtually all of the
continental United States," White said.
[close quote]

Hmm - does that mean that an 800 # heard on a U.S. shortwave station,
especially in an ad, has to accept calls from Canada or maybe from
other countries in the +1 country code such as the Dominican Republic
and Grenada?




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