Threat From China Unrecognized
 

by Lev Navrozov http://www.levnavrozov.com/

Fareed Zakaria [Pro-Jihadist], editor of Newsweek International
http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archiv...deology_of.php , the
mainstream media, and the political establishment of the West today have
possibly never heard of Project 863, and Zakaria never calls the dictators
of China dictators and does not understand what dictatorship is. Thus he
claims that China is militarily "spending a fraction of what America does,
at most ten percent of the Pentagon's annual bill."

How does he know? Well, the Chinese leaders ( no, not dictators! ) publish
statistics ( no, not propaganda! ) on the subject.
....
As a geostrategist, Hitler was a nonentity compared with Sun Zi, and the
Chinese dictators do follow Sun Zi's advice and not Hitler's example. They
avoid war with the United States now if it cannot be won. They concentrate
on the development of post-nuclear superweapons. They will strike only when
the war will be won before it is fought.
....
The Chinese global colony will work for, and will depend on, the dictators
of China, and certainly their power will be global.
....
....the post-nuclear superweapons being developed in China, in alliance with
Putin's Russia, such as molecular nano superweapons, will destroy the
Western means of nuclear deterrence. Zakaria and his Newsweek are living in
1945, while now it is 2005.
....
I used to say years ago that the Western political establishment and
mainstream media are in a state of functional insanity, leading to the
suicide of the West.
....
For functionally insane, or abysmally ignorant and mentally retarded, like
the editor of Newsweek International, there will always be an occasion for
"optimism" until the Chinese dictators strike with post-nuclear weapons,
because they will know before they strike that they will win. Sun Zi said
it.

Full story: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...6/195554.shtml

Li,Chanchun wrote:

by Lev Navrozov http://www.levnavrozov.com/

Fareed Zakaria [Pro-Jihadist], editor of Newsweek International
http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archiv...deology_of.php , the
mainstream media, and the political establishment of the West today have
possibly never heard of Project 863, and Zakaria never calls the dictators
of China dictators and does not understand what dictatorship is. Thus he
claims that China is militarily "spending a fraction of what America does,
at most ten percent of the Pentagon's annual bill."

That's because the billions upon billions of dollars spent by the
Pentagon go down a bureaucratic rat hole. Totalitarian states always
have more efficient militaries than democracies, since the totalitarians
have conquest as their overarching goal, while democracy does not.

How does he know? Well, the Chinese leaders ( no, not dictators! ) publish
statistics ( no, not propaganda! ) on the subject.

The only link you posted was to Newsmax, which is not exactly an
unbiased source of info. Also, if RCI is "propaganda", how do you know
that the Chinese "statistics" aren't also propaganda? Like the old
saying goes, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics.

....
As a geostrategist, Hitler was a nonentity compared with Sun Zi, and the
Chinese dictators do follow Sun Zi's advice and not Hitler's example. They
avoid war with the United States now if it cannot be won. They concentrate
on the development of post-nuclear superweapons. They will strike only when
the war will be won before it is fought.
....
The Chinese global colony will work for, and will depend on, the dictators
of China, and certainly their power will be global.
....
....the post-nuclear superweapons being developed in China, in alliance with
Putin's Russia, such as molecular nano superweapons, will destroy the
Western means of nuclear deterrence. Zakaria and his Newsweek are living in
1945, while now it is 2005.

Molecular nano superweapons? I see somebody stayed up too late reading
Michael Crichton's novel "Prey". The Chinese do not need molecular nano
superweapons. They have a post nuclear superweapon, and it's called
fascist capitalism. China has succeeded in getting most of the world's
manufacturing capacity moved to China, thus giving them enormous
leverage over the West. If the US threatens to come to Taiwan's aid, the
Chinese can cut off supplies of boomboxes and T shirts. Don't laugh.
Most everything that Americans buy, the things that drive American
consumerism (and thus the American economy) are made in China. Deng knew
that China couldn't beat the West militarily, so he set out to beat them
economically. And he and his successors have done that.

....
I used to say years ago that the Western political establishment and
mainstream media are in a state of functional insanity, leading to the
suicide of the West.
....
For functionally insane, or abysmally ignorant and mentally retarded, like
the editor of Newsweek International, there will always be an occasion for
"optimism" until the Chinese dictators strike with post-nuclear weapons,
because they will know before they strike that they will win. Sun Zi said
it.

The Chinese have already struck with their post nuclear weapon, and
thanks to the boundless greed of Western CEOs they have won.


Full story: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...6/195554.shtml




----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==----
http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups
----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----

In: , running dogg wrote:
Molecular nano superweapons? I see somebody stayed up too late reading
Michael Crichton's novel "Prey". The Chinese do not need molecular nano
superweapons. They have a post nuclear superweapon, and it's called
fascist capitalism. China has succeeded in getting most of the world's
manufacturing capacity moved to China, thus giving them enormous
leverage over the West. If the US threatens to come to Taiwan's aid, the
Chinese can cut off supplies of boomboxes and T shirts. Don't laugh.
Most everything that Americans buy, the things that drive American
consumerism (and thus the American economy) are made in China. Deng knew
that China couldn't beat the West militarily, so he set out to beat them
economically. And he and his successors have done that.

Yep, you can say that a few dozen times.. still, we continue to buy that
crap from China.

Since it is now impossible not to buy junk from China, I'm an advocate of
used stuff whenever possible.

Wish we could actually do something about it. It's obviously not sustainable.
How can a country exist when it imports everything?

The really sadd thing is that this stuff is made at the expense of chinese
workers.

China doesn't allow it's workers to unionize, consequently, they can't
really do anything about the problem.

We didn't outlaw slavery, we merely outsourced it.

I used to say years ago that the Western political establishment and
mainstream media are in a state of functional insanity, leading to the
suicide of the West.
....
For functionally insane, or abysmally ignorant and mentally retarded, like
the editor of Newsweek International, there will always be an occasion for
"optimism" until the Chinese dictators strike with post-nuclear weapons,
because they will know before they strike that they will win. Sun Zi said
it.

The Chinese have already struck with their post nuclear weapon, and
thanks to the boundless greed of Western CEOs they have won.

I could just see it, Homer simpson in an army jacket yelling 'Doh!' when
his Chinese made computers and other equipment fall apart leaving him bare
naked (Doh! Stupid chinese textile industry!)

Jamie
--
http://www.geniegate.com Custom web programming
(rot13) User Management Solutions

"Li,Chanchun" wrote in message
...

For functionally insane, or abysmally ignorant and mentally retarded,
like
the editor of Newsweek International, there will always be an occasion
for
"optimism" until the Chinese dictators strike with post-nuclear weapons,
because they will know before they strike that they will win. Sun Zi said
it.

Full story: http://www.newsmax.com/

One must be 'functionally insane, or abysmally ignorant and mentally
retarded'
to believe any of the bull**** published on newsmax.com (I'd not be
suprised
if that BS site was edited by Alex Jones or one of his paranoid lackies...)
:-p

"Radio Bingo 5" wrote

One must be 'functionally insane, or abysmally ignorant and mentally
retarded'
to believe any of the bull**** published on newsmax.com (I'd not be
suprised
if that BS site was edited by Alex Jones or one of his paranoid
lackies...)
:-p


Who is the author? http://www.levnavrozov.com/

"Jim" wrote
The really sadd thing is that this stuff is made at the expense of
chinese
workers.

Right. Chinese workers who now have more freedom and disposable
income than they have ever had in the entire history of China.

Jim


Can you please elaborate, Jim, on your assertions that Chinese workers now
have
"more freedom... than they have ever had in the entire history of China."

Perhaps you will be so kind as to define YOUR definition of "freedom"
before
you answer.

Jim wrote:
On 28 May 2005 09:27:46 GMT, wrote:
The really sadd thing is that this stuff is made at the expense of chinese
workers.

Right. Chinese workers who now have more freedom and disposable
income than they have ever had in the entire history of China.

"Better" doesn't equate to "good". My garbage is better than your garbage,
but it's still garbage.

--
I miss my .signature.

JIM,

"Jim" wrote

There is nothing "alleged" about it. It's a fact, and it's quite
spectacular.


The Chinese Communist Party told you so, therefor it is?

LOL

Li,Chanchun wrote:


"Jim" wrote

Economic freedom, of course. As in, they have money and are buying
things.

Well, I wouldn't call that "freedom" in any sense of the word.
I would call that simply "wealth". Or in our discussion wealthier.

China's economy has been growing at near double digit rates for the
last 20 years.

Well Jim, that is certainly very arguable in the strict numeric sense. Of
course China's double digit growth started from a base of, for all practical
purposes, Zero. So that alleged double digit growth for the last 20 years
only sounds spectacular. However, there are serious conflicting statistics
related to energy consumption which doesn't support this phenomenal growth.
In fact the energy statistics refute this "double digit" growth. But if I
were a Central Government cadre I to would use smoke
and mirrors to attract as much foreign "Capitalist" investment as possible.
Considering that my Central Government owned banks are all technically
bankrupt... and my currency is not freely traded on the open market... and
the average monthly salary is less than US$400 month...

There are only one type of statistics available and those are government
allowed statistics. ALL statistics from the Beijing government are to be
considered highly suspicious. Think Soviet Union. Not simply because it IS
a Communist government, although that fact alone should raise the, ahem, red
flag. The problem is that the central government sets a goal and the local
cadres will never disappoint the central government. So these local
cadres, in fear of losing their cushy socialist welfare state
livelihood, will in every instance "massage" the statistics that are then
forwarded to Beijing.

So, you see Jim in a free society statistics are simply statistics. In
Communist China they are a "way of life".

This from a guy who blindly accepted some far right wing Newsmax
columnist's assertion about Chinese molecular nano superweapons that was
based on claims by the CCP? Get it straight, Li. Either the CCP is lying
or they are not. I tend to think that they're lying. I doubt they have
molecular nano superweapons. I doubt that anything that any dictatorship
claims can be trusted. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that even the US
govt lies outright a good percentage of the time.

You claim that double digit growth starting from zero is not impressive.
But considering how backward China was 30 years ago, much like the
Soviet Union was in the 80s, China's progress is remarkable indeed.
Russia hasn't managed to turn things around as well as China has (at
least economically speaking). Yes, salaries in China are low compared to
the US. But in China, it takes a lot less money to live large than in
the US. In India, many workers earn US$70 a month, but in India, that
puts them solidly into the middle class. Meanwhile, Americans who make
$50k a year struggle to pay their bills. It's all relative.


----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==----
http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups
----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----

"running dogg" wrote in message
...

You claim that double digit growth starting from zero is not impressive.
But considering how backward China was 30 years ago, much like the
Soviet Union was in the 80s, China's progress is remarkable indeed.
Russia hasn't managed to turn things around as well as China has (at
least economically speaking). Yes, salaries in China are low compared to
the US. But in China, it takes a lot less money to live large than in
the US. In India, many workers earn US$70 a month, but in India, that
puts them solidly into the middle class. Meanwhile, Americans who make
$50k a year struggle to pay their bills. It's all relative.


I'm glad someone besides me can see this. I've always marvelled at the
people that talk about 'sweat shops' in second and third world countries
that pay very small percentages of what we make in the US being evil. Thing
is, as you stated above, the standard of living in those countries allows
for making much less money than in the US for a comparable lifestyle. In
Thailand for instance, the median annual income is around $6000, yet most
there still have most of the same conveniences we take for granted, and
there are many US products available in the stores at much less than we pay
for them.

Brenda Ann wrote:


"running dogg" wrote in message
...

You claim that double digit growth starting from zero is not impressive.
But considering how backward China was 30 years ago, much like the
Soviet Union was in the 80s, China's progress is remarkable indeed.
Russia hasn't managed to turn things around as well as China has (at
least economically speaking). Yes, salaries in China are low compared to
the US. But in China, it takes a lot less money to live large than in
the US. In India, many workers earn US$70 a month, but in India, that
puts them solidly into the middle class. Meanwhile, Americans who make
$50k a year struggle to pay their bills. It's all relative.


I'm glad someone besides me can see this. I've always marvelled at the
people that talk about 'sweat shops' in second and third world countries
that pay very small percentages of what we make in the US being evil. Thing
is, as you stated above, the standard of living in those countries allows
for making much less money than in the US for a comparable lifestyle. In
Thailand for instance, the median annual income is around $6000, yet most
there still have most of the same conveniences we take for granted, and
there are many US products available in the stores at much less than we pay
for them.

Well, working conditions in China still aren't that great, and some of
the workplaces there would qualify as sweatshops by most measures of
working conditions, but they pay well enough for urban Chinese to enjoy
a pretty good standard of living. In the countryside, things are much
worse, however, since agriculture is still collectivized from what I
know, and most rural peasants barely scrape by. Most of the anger at the
CCP is in the countryside. Also, many Asian cultures will tolerate much
more political repression than Americans if they have lots of economic
freedom and lots of money. Look at Singapore-very rich, very capitalist,
yet very repressive politically. Vietnam is another prosperous Asian
nation where the Communist Party still rules with an iron fist. For
decades South Korea, where you live, was very repressed politically yet
very capitalist. Westerners tend to assume that capitalism and democracy
go together, I guess it's the result of decades of Cold War propaganda.
But that's not necessarily the case. Deng Xiaoping acheived what
Gorbachev could not-turn a communist country capitalist without chaos
breaking out and the whole society falling to pieces.


----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==----
http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups
----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----

"running dogg" wrote in message
...
Brenda Ann wrote:


"running dogg" wrote in message
...

You claim that double digit growth starting from zero is not
impressive.
But considering how backward China was 30 years ago, much like the
Soviet Union was in the 80s, China's progress is remarkable indeed.
Russia hasn't managed to turn things around as well as China has (at
least economically speaking). Yes, salaries in China are low compared
to
the US. But in China, it takes a lot less money to live large than in
the US. In India, many workers earn US$70 a month, but in India, that
puts them solidly into the middle class. Meanwhile, Americans who make
$50k a year struggle to pay their bills. It's all relative.


I'm glad someone besides me can see this. I've always marvelled at the
people that talk about 'sweat shops' in second and third world countries
that pay very small percentages of what we make in the US being evil.
Thing
is, as you stated above, the standard of living in those countries
allows
for making much less money than in the US for a comparable lifestyle. In
Thailand for instance, the median annual income is around $6000, yet
most
there still have most of the same conveniences we take for granted, and
there are many US products available in the stores at much less than we
pay
for them.

Well, working conditions in China still aren't that great, and some of
the workplaces there would qualify as sweatshops by most measures of
working conditions, but they pay well enough for urban Chinese to enjoy
a pretty good standard of living. In the countryside, things are much
worse, however, since agriculture is still collectivized from what I
know, and most rural peasants barely scrape by. Most of the anger at the
CCP is in the countryside. Also, many Asian cultures will tolerate much
more political repression than Americans if they have lots of economic
freedom and lots of money. Look at Singapore-very rich, very capitalist,
yet very repressive politically. Vietnam is another prosperous Asian
nation where the Communist Party still rules with an iron fist. For
decades South Korea, where you live, was very repressed politically yet
very capitalist. Westerners tend to assume that capitalism and democracy
go together, I guess it's the result of decades of Cold War propaganda.
But that's not necessarily the case. Deng Xiaoping acheived what
Gorbachev could not-turn a communist country capitalist without chaos
breaking out and the whole society falling to pieces.



Agreed on the working conditions. As far as rural versus urban living, this
is often the case, even in more open and prosperous societies.

Gorby (whom I still think got the shaft, and did a lot to change the former
USSR) never got the chance to make his reforms under his much more
reasonable timetable. You can't change a disaster into a success overnight,
which is what his political opponents were insisting he do. Had he been
given the chance, I'm sure that Russia would be doing quite well by now.
The man had guts, that's for sure.

Brenda Ann wrote:


"running dogg" wrote in message
...
Brenda Ann wrote:


"running dogg" wrote in message
...

You claim that double digit growth starting from zero is not
impressive.
But considering how backward China was 30 years ago, much like the
Soviet Union was in the 80s, China's progress is remarkable indeed.
Russia hasn't managed to turn things around as well as China has (at
least economically speaking). Yes, salaries in China are low compared
to
the US. But in China, it takes a lot less money to live large than in
the US. In India, many workers earn US$70 a month, but in India, that
puts them solidly into the middle class. Meanwhile, Americans who make
$50k a year struggle to pay their bills. It's all relative.


I'm glad someone besides me can see this. I've always marvelled at the
people that talk about 'sweat shops' in second and third world countries
that pay very small percentages of what we make in the US being evil.
Thing
is, as you stated above, the standard of living in those countries
allows
for making much less money than in the US for a comparable lifestyle. In
Thailand for instance, the median annual income is around $6000, yet
most
there still have most of the same conveniences we take for granted, and
there are many US products available in the stores at much less than we
pay
for them.

Well, working conditions in China still aren't that great, and some of
the workplaces there would qualify as sweatshops by most measures of
working conditions, but they pay well enough for urban Chinese to enjoy
a pretty good standard of living. In the countryside, things are much
worse, however, since agriculture is still collectivized from what I
know, and most rural peasants barely scrape by. Most of the anger at the
CCP is in the countryside. Also, many Asian cultures will tolerate much
more political repression than Americans if they have lots of economic
freedom and lots of money. Look at Singapore-very rich, very capitalist,
yet very repressive politically. Vietnam is another prosperous Asian
nation where the Communist Party still rules with an iron fist. For
decades South Korea, where you live, was very repressed politically yet
very capitalist. Westerners tend to assume that capitalism and democracy
go together, I guess it's the result of decades of Cold War propaganda.
But that's not necessarily the case. Deng Xiaoping acheived what
Gorbachev could not-turn a communist country capitalist without chaos
breaking out and the whole society falling to pieces.



Agreed on the working conditions. As far as rural versus urban living, this
is often the case, even in more open and prosperous societies.

Small farmers have never had it easy, even in America. But collective
farms greatly worsen the situation.

Gorby (whom I still think got the shaft, and did a lot to change the former
USSR) never got the chance to make his reforms under his much more
reasonable timetable. You can't change a disaster into a success overnight,
which is what his political opponents were insisting he do. Had he been
given the chance, I'm sure that Russia would be doing quite well by now.
The man had guts, that's for sure.

I always viewed it as a situation where events got away from him. China
was able to make the transition mostly without the West noticing. Russia
had the US hounding them, plus 15,000 nukes pointed at their heads with
the person at the switch avidly reading Hal Lindsey. On top of that,
Russians had been listening to VOA for 30 years and wanted all of
America's goodies right now. Gorby's situation was a lot less favorable
for a successful transition to capitalism than Deng's.


----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==----
http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups
----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----

How much time have you two spent living in China???????????????????????

jiabao fukuafeng

"Jim" wrote

There is nothing "alleged" about it. It's a fact, and it's quite
spectacular.

The Chinese Communist Party told you so, therefor it is?

No, the US State Department told me:


http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/21124.pdf#search='china's%20econ
omic%20growth'

Congressional Research Service
China's Economic Conditions
Updated May 21, 2003
Wayne M. Morrison
Foreign Affairs, Defense, and Trade Division

A paper published to support the World Trade Org. policies with China - LOL!

Let us examine the source of the statistics used to support this paper's
report.

Pg 5, China's Average Annual Real GDP Growth Rates: 1960-2002
Source: Official Chinese government data.

Pg 7, Source: Chinese government statistics.

Pg 8, Note: PPP data for China should be interpreted with caution. China is
not a fully developed market economy; the prices of many goods and services
are distorted due to price controls and government subsidies.

Pg 9, Source: International Monetary Fund, Direction of Trade Statistics and
official Chinese statistics.

Pg 10, Source: Official Chinese trade data.
Note: Chinese data on its bilateral trade often differ substantially from
the official trade data of other countries on their trade with China.

Pg 11, Source: Official Chinese trade data.
Source: Official Chinese trade statistics.

NEXT! Here is Jim's 2nd attempt to pull a rabbit out of his search engine
hat:

and several private economists, here for starters:


http://www.earthinstitute.columbia.e...na_CBB03.pdf#s
earch='china's%20economic%20growth'

Do a little research of your own. I'm not here to do it for you.

You're welcome for the education.

Jim

Jeffrey D. Sachs & Wing Thye Woo
Earth Institute at Columbia University
[I won't comment about Columbia U. and their Jihadists - LOL]

Pg 45: "Data caluculated from [China] State Statistics Bureau, Comprehensive
Statistical Data and Materials on 50 Years of New China ,1999."

Pg 48: "These were 'estimated' based on communication[?] with [Chinese]
'government' economists."
"Source: Citigroup 'estimates'."

And who are "Zhou and Wang" (Zhou Fangsheng and Xiaolu Wang) the often
quoted "sources" in the above link?

Zhou Fangsheng: director of the National Economic Research Institute,
Beijing, China, which is under the CCP's Ministry of Finance. [The CCP's
economic propaganda dept.]

[Please note the following two quotes were from Chinese Communist Party
regulated web sites.]

Zhou Fangsheng - "There are no accurate figures available nationwide on the
operations of the restructured enterprises. This is because they are no
longer managed by government departments."
http://www.china.org.cn/english/BAT/107811.htm

LOL - what he is saying is there are NO reliable Chinese statistics
whatsoever, period.

Zhou Fangsheng - "Presently, there isn't any accurate data nationwide at all
that may reflect the conditions of survival and development of enterprises
after restructuring, because after enterprise restructuring, they are no
longer under administration of the government departments. And it is
therefore very hard to make data tracking and statistics."
http://www.eobserver.com.cn/english/readnews.asp?ID=237

LOL - these statements are hilarious! If Zhou Fangsheng had access to or
EVER published "accurate figures" without the blessings of the CCP he would
most likely be dead.

Example: "New York Times researcher Zhao Yan was formally arrested last
October for revealing state secrets, a crime which carries a maximum
sentence of death. The secret was believed to be the news that former leader
Jiang Zemin was retiring from politics."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...0/AR2005053001
207_pf.html
"...a Chinese reporter in Hunan province Shi Tao was sentenced to 10 years
in prison for providing state secrets to foreigners."
http://www.voanews.com/english/2005-05-30-voa4.cfm

Xiaolu Wang [a Phd candidate in CanahDuh]
"One good spy is worth 10,000 soldiers." - Sun Tzu, ancient Chinese military
strategist.

"The CCP's Ministry of State Security (MSS) often co-opts Chinese travelers,
especially businesspeople, scientists and academics, to gather intel or
purchase technology while they're in America."

"The MSS especially prizes overseas Chinese students, hi-tech workers and
researchers living in the U.S. because of their access to sensitive
technology and research/development that Beijing can use for civilian and
military purposes."
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=18250

CanahDuh is also a major target of the CCP. There are numerous articles to
support this if YOU do YOUR research.

I read your links Jim. Your idea of education falls far short of my
experience. Consider yourself "slightly" enlightened. To provide more
enlightenment for your feeble mind would require exorcism. At least next
time read what you post from your search engine results and do YOUR
research.

Ciao!