Appreciate the concern...I am more worried about the unpatriotic
attitudes and behavior of the Americans back home...the Iraqis voted
while most Americans stayed home....the economy is in shabbles, and
true the state and local tax rates are highes than the US tax rates,
Americans have not recalled one representative for poor execution in
their jobs...with 76% of terrorists web sites based in the USA.....we
elect professional politicans ex-lawyers (some never practiced law, and
what does law have to do with leadership????)...they kill the 2 term
tenure bill and we do not have a say....I think Americans do not
deserve America...bring the foreigners in, sweep out the unconcerned,
and put some new direction and vitality into those who earn their
freedom by deed and actions, not solely by birthrite.

Wake up America.....Arabs over here hate us just because...no
logic...no reason...not religious or otherwise motivated....these
cowards could not lift a finger and fight for their own freedom because
of their upbringing, their lazy male-eccentric culture, and
bible-thumping equivalents in the form of mutawahs or inmans getting
kicj back from the dictators and kings they serve. They have never been
are friends, betrayed us in WW II and during the Cold War despite are
anti-Israel stance until 1967.....and as part owners of CNNI, they beam
what they want their people and you back there to see...getting their
story from Dubai because there is no freedom for a free press to travel
at will in the Middle East excepting Iraq at the moment, do not believe
a lying negative word of CNN...damn Ted Turner and the whole liberal
democratic lot...like to put a gun in his hand and the group and see
what "real men" are made of.....

The truth is: America is at war against an idealogy that simply will
not die without a major defeat of the present regimes in the area;
America has no friends unless we put something in their hand, excepting
a few; Americans are ungrateful and undeserving of the Constitution of
the United States of America....when I see other countries, especially
poor little Italy salute their dead at the airport, cathedral, and at
the grave site with their president, chiefs of staff of the various
military departments, and it is covered live on television so all of
their citizens can share in the responsibility and remorse of the
moment, I feel that Americans just don't get the big picture.......yes,
this war is going to be just like Vietnam, not because of the
battlefield, or lack of conditions, or the nature of the enemies at
hand...it is exactly like Vietnam because of the American citizens back
home more concerned about those idiotic WWF or ESPN events than the
future of their country or children. If you have to live your life
through hero worship, then you have not lived at all. When you have the
means and power to control your government and you sluff it off because
you don't have the time...well, perhaps we should let a few leak back
home with that same attitude and sense of non-patriotism. The fact is
that we cannot, and would not...26% of Americans carry the burden for
the lot....I have a rather simple solution..serve to earn the right to
vote, or get no vote at all...then when you pick these self-serving
clowns and political thiefs youd think back how lucky it is to be still
alive, and god's blessing to be an American.

It doesn't..where did you guys and gals go to school. Reading it
logically, or especially in the vein f the times that this was written,
you are or are not a citizen...they are not, so our laws do not
apply...second, they are not soldiers of a foreginer recognized
power....no Geneva Convention application here...they are pure and
simple terrorist which means soldiers without a country...so
technically we should have hung or shot them as the other countries in
the region do...get a life people......I feel that we should despense
the same justice that they would get in their home countries...long
torture followed by a round-up of families and friends....executing
them all after seizing their possessions, raping their women and
children, and beheading the men while shooting what is left of the
women and children at some mass grave site in the desert.

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's...or considering our national
deficient, offer them foregiveness at a randsomed price tag...just like
back home and according to their Koran.

wrote:

On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:42:36 GMT, "
wrote:

wrote:


That He Got Acquitted on all counts..

Hard to Believe California Justice..

Law and order have nothing to do with justice!

And now there is the OJ killer and the fruit pervert out there.

I hope the whole state slides into the ocean.

After the big one, California will remain and the rest of the
country will slide into the Atlantic.

One of your 5 year old statements...?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"K"

On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:02:04 -0700, running dogg wrote:

Brenda Ann wrote:


"Brian Hill" wrote in message
...

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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That He Got Acquitted on all counts..

Hard to Believe California Justice..


Jury really had no choice if they were to follow the law. There was
more
than reasonable doubt if only because of the fact the family had already
attempted to defraud in at least three other instances.



Not only that Brenda but we sure don't want to live in a society that
convicts on less than reasonable doubt. I haven't followed it too closely
but I have yet to hear anybody I know give me a good reason for hanging
him
other than the usual he's weird so he must have done it type of reply.
Does
anybody here have an intelligent argument on the subject. I never thought
he
was a pedophile. I always thought he was just a lonely type that in his
fame
related to kids better than adults because he trusted them more or
whatever.
But like I said, I never followed his stuff that close. Enlighten me
please.

B.H.



The odd general behavior was/is pretty compelling 'evidence', but I for one
am glad that he wasn't convicted on that and the 'hearsay' evidence that the
prosecution proffered. It used to be that past accusations could not be
entered into evidence in a criminal trial.. even past convictions were not
allowed as evidence in the trial, only for sentencing purposes.

Yeah, but the legislators in Sacramento CHANGED THE LAW so that in child
molest cases previous allegations of behavior, even if unsubstantiated,
CAN be used against the defendant. I'm not sure why; I always figured
that if true the current charges could stand on their own, and the
public hates child molestors anyway so they usually are convicted.


Unfortunately, in our current hysterical, politically correct
society, all you have to do is invoke national security or child
safety and previously assumed civil liberties go out the window.

It used to be that your records were secure. Now all someone
as to do is assert that they want access "in connection with an
investigation into terrorism" (and you're not allowed to investigate
that claim) and they grt access with no meaningful judicial oversight.
And the WH wants this sneak-searching power expanded.

Similarly, there used to be statutes of limitations for crimes
involving children or other offenses, but they have been retroactively
revoked. It used to be that a person could be convicted and serve the
jail time assigned, then be released on the understanding that the
debt to society had been paid. No more -- they can be housed on jail
grounds on the basis that, time served notwithstanding, they were
still deemed to be "unrehabilitated". They can be tracked and hounded
out of any chance of starting a new life.

Mind you, I have no problem if society wants to establish new
rules for search and seizure or for penalties for lawbreaking, but
these should never, ever be imposed retroactively. There is a contract
which we make with society and it can only cause contempt for the
contract if it can be changed in ways which call previously understood
rules into question based on the law enforcement fad or public
hysteria of the day.

On 14 Jun 2005 04:57:28 -0700, "
wrote:

(most of the police in Italy have been
minor criminals...try that in the USA,,,once convicted, always a
criminal).

What a hoot -- there are plenty of cops in the US who are
continually committing crimes (dropping evedince where it didn't
exist, extortion, roughing up suspects out of sight of cameras) --
they're just unindicted due to the code of silence.

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:33:17 -0600, Eric F. Richards
wrote:

"John Smith" wrote:

... those are NOT American citizens, they are enemies of Americans...
they ain't got NO rights...

The 14th amendment says otherwise... "Equal protection under the law."
and there is case law and Supreme Court rulings to back that up.

...know your constitution... some day, it may save *your* sorry ass.

Not any more -- see the recent story on a grandmother
accommpanying a class trip. She accidentally left a sandwich knife
(one of three she had used for making lunches, serrated and with a
blunt, rounded tip) in her check on. She was fined $500 and put on a
no-fly list. When she demanded a receipt for her seized possessions,
she was told it was a matter of national security and they didn't have
to give her anything. When she asked what about her constitutional
rights, the answer was, "As of right now ... you don't have any."

At least the Nazis we hired for the space program contributed
something to the US. The Nazis we hire for TSA strike at the roots of
the Constitution. They're nothing but a treasonous pack of fascists.

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 02:34:48 GMT, m II wrote:

wrote:


Law and order have nothing to do with justice!

And now there is the OJ killer and the fruit pervert out there.

I hope the whole state slides into the ocean.


Why wish death on all of them? Only about eighty percent of them are
deviates. Ninety percent tops...


So it's OK to wish death on them because they don't agree with
your norms? I'd be very inclined to lie my way onto any jury trying
you, you moral-less POS.

On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 07:48:45 -0400, dxAce
wrote:



wrote:

On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:42:36 GMT, "
wrote:

wrote:


That He Got Acquitted on all counts..

Hard to Believe California Justice..

Law and order have nothing to do with justice!

And now there is the OJ killer and the fruit pervert out there.

I hope the whole state slides into the ocean.

After the big one, California will remain and the rest of the
country will slide into the Atlantic.

One of your 5 year old statements...?


No, it has a couple of words over two syllables, unlike your
drivel.

Otherwise, do you have a point, other than the one at the end
of your pinhead?



dxAce
Michigan
USA