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You may wish to visit http://www.ussliberty.org to find out what a fine
"friend" Israel is to the U.S.

They have a book entitled "Assault on the Liberty" you may also be
interested in. Chapter Six of that book is available online free of
charge at http://ussliberty.org/chapter6.htm and information on ordering
the book is available at http://ussliberty.org/jimsbook.htm

What does this have to do with shortwave? 1) The USS Liberty was the
most sophisticated surveillance ship of its day and it probably
monitored shortwave signals as well as many others -- including the
communications of the Israeli surveillance planes which over flew the
ship numerous times before the dastardly attack on their "friend" -
probably to blame it on the Arabs and force us into the war, on their
side, of course. 2) I heard it on shortwave radio as Pastor Peter John
Peters, http://scripturesforamerica.org/ , had a guest on who happened
to be on that ship which was under attack from gunboats, jets and
helicopters, even shooting up the lifeboats and life rafts.

When they survived, against all odds, these guys were ORDERED, by their
own commanders, not to ever speak of what happened and some have met
with "arkancide" type "accidents" after telling of the crimes the
Israelis perpetrated upon that ship that day! The guest of Pastor
Peters regularly gets death threats but continues to proclaim the truth
- and to remind the president and the people of that infamous day, June
8, 1967.

Check out their URL. Read the free chapter six posted on the web.

Thanks for reading.

Al

Re Pastor Peters and "Christian Identity"::

http://www.equip.org/free/DI100.htm

the fact that this was heard on a Christian Identity program should
discredit it outright.

Re the Liberty:

MYTH

"During the 1967 War, Israel deliberately attacked the USS Liberty."

FACT

"The Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was a grievous error, largely
attributable to the fact that it occurred in the midst of the confusion
of a full-scale war in 1967. Ten official United States investigations
and three official Israeli inquiries have all conclusively established
the attack was a tragic mistake.

On June 8, 1967, the fourth day of the Six-Day War, the Israeli high
command received reports that Israeli troops in El Arish were being
fired upon from the sea, presumably by an Egyptian vessel, as they had
a day before. The United States had announced that it had no naval
forces within hundreds of miles of the battle front on the floor of the
United Nations a few days earlier; however, the USS Liberty, an
American intelligence ship assigned to monitor the fighting, arrived in
the area, 14 miles off the Sinai coast, as a result of a series of
United States communication failures, whereby messages directing the
ship not to approach within 100 miles were not received by the Liberty.
The Israelis mistakenly thought this was the ship doing the shelling
and war planes and torpedo boats attacked, killing 34 members of the
Liberty's crew and wounding 171.

Numerous mistakes were made by both the United States and Israel. For
example, the Liberty was first reported - incorrectly, as it turned
out - to be cruising at 30 knots (it was later recalculated to be 28
knots). Under Israeli (and U.S.) naval doctrine at the time, a ship
proceeding at that speed was presumed to be a warship. The sea was calm
and the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry found that the Liberty's flag was
very likely drooped and not discernible; moreover, members of the crew,
including the Captain, Commander William McGonagle, testified that the
flag was knocked down after the first or second assault."

for more, see...

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...ths/mf6.html#j

"seigezunt" wrote:

Re Pastor Peters and "Christian Identity"::

http://www.equip.org/free/DI100.htm

the fact that this was heard on a Christian Identity program should
discredit it outright.

Re the Liberty:

MYTH

"During the 1967 War, Israel deliberately attacked the USS Liberty."

FACT
It is not a myth, and the jews in the know had LBJ cover it up.

"seigezunt" wrote:

wrote:
It is not a myth, and the jews in the know had LBJ cover it up.

This "Jew in the know" wonders if maybe this thread needs to continue
in a more appropriate forum, such as alt.revisionism or alt.skinheads.
Don't forget about alt.jdl

Let's talk about shortwave.

But then again, there are all sorts of conspiracy kooks on shortwave,
and that is one of its endearing qualities. You just have to be careful
about believing it...
And much propaganda from those who hide behind us and stab us in the
back.

seigezunt

"And much propaganda from those who hide behind us and stab us in the
back."

Lemme guess: you think the Jews control SW, too?

Pretty impressive.

seigezunt wrote:
Re Pastor Peters and "Christian Identity"::

http://www.equip.org/free/DI100.htm

the fact that this was heard on a Christian Identity program should
discredit it outright.

Re the Liberty:

MYTH

"During the 1967 War, Israel deliberately attacked the USS Liberty."

FACT

"The Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was a grievous error, largely
attributable to the fact that it occurred in the midst of the confusion
of a full-scale war in 1967. Ten official United States investigations
and three official Israeli inquiries have all conclusively established
the attack was a tragic mistake.

That's what the guest said they CLAIMED. However, he said slower moving
planes flying the star of David studied the ship THIRTEEN times (?) from
06:00 to 12:00, then at 14:00 the ship was attacked by gun boats,
helicopters and jets. They INTENDED to leave NO SURVIVORS but somehow
the ship would not go down even though it was "thrown together" in about
45 days. Someone radioed, "Help is on the way" and the cowards fled.
This ship was protected only by two 50-cal's on the fore and aft of the
ship. The USS Saratoga was supposed to protect it but it's jets were 15
minutes away - and were ORDERED to STAND DOWN!

GET THE BOOK! Dispense with the LIES. :-)

Oh, you were right on the ball. What does the ADL pay you to help to
stomp out the truth? It took less than an hour for you to "detect" and
attempt to "deflect" the truth! :-)

Do "Jews" who benefit so greatly from America's generosity really spit
when they hear the words "Jesus Christ"?

ADL? Spit? It astound me that people believe this crap. If you think
the Jewish people are organized enough to run a world-wide conspiracy,
then you need to hit some books other than those printed in Lincoln
Rockwell's basement. ZOG? We can hardly agree on the time of day.

Please. I just made the mistake of calling someone on their Jew-hating
spew. Forgive me my indiscretion about not letting idiocy go
unchallenged. I've learned my lesson.

Lemme guess, by putting "Jews" in quotes, you believe I'm a Khazar? So
you believe the whole kit and kaboodle and the Protocols? Do you hate
blacks and Asians, too?

Time to get some fresh tinfoil for your hat.

If the ship was 14 miles off the coast of Sinai it wasn't monitoring
shortwave -- morst likely VHF-UHF .
If not mistaking, the people in charge of giving orders to sink USS
Liberty were facing an investigation comission after the 1973 war and
got fired in 1974.(Not related to 1967 incident). Too late...

"seigezunt" wrote in message
oups.com...
Re Pastor Peters and "Christian Identity"::

http://www.equip.org/free/DI100.htm

the fact that this was heard on a Christian Identity program should
discredit it outright.

Only if you're prone to knee-jerk reactions. It's more than possible, and
I'd say very likely that Peters or his agent approached the interviewee and
represented Peters as a God-fearing, Bible-thumping Christian pastor who
also transmits on SW to spread the word throughout the nations, which of
course is just what he is in addition to the other unsavory aspects of his
beliefs, which he perhaps felt no need to convey. I'm guessing the interview
was over the phone, that the guy had never heard of Peters before, was
probably a Christian and took Peters at his word, and would probably crap
his pants if he knew just how he'd been used, and I'm not prepared to assume
that the guy being interviewed knew just who he was associating with. YMMV.

Re the Liberty:

MYTH

"During the 1967 War, Israel deliberately attacked the USS Liberty."

Well...it wasn't Costa Rican aircraft that were firing on us.

"The Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was a grievous error, largely
attributable to the fact that it occurred in the midst of the confusion
of a full-scale war in 1967. Ten official United States investigations
and three official Israeli inquiries have all conclusively established
the attack was a tragic mistake.

CYA.

snip

Numerous mistakes were made by both the United States and Israel. For
example, the Liberty was first reported - incorrectly, as it turned
out - to be cruising at 30 knots (it was later recalculated to be 28
knots). Under Israeli (and U.S.) naval doctrine at the time, a ship
proceeding at that speed was presumed to be a warship.

It -was- a warship. Ours, and clearly indentied as such.

The sea was calm
and the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry found that the Liberty's flag was
very likely drooped and not discernible; moreover, members of the crew,
including the Captain, Commander William McGonagle, testified that the
flag was knocked down after the first or second assault."

The sea was calm, but as your URL was so quick to point out, the Liberty was
making 30 knots before the attack...and that would be while the Israeli
warplanes were making their initial identification passes over the ship.
(Thirteen in total, IIRC, over the course of several hours). -You- figure
out the discrepency there.

for more, see...

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...ths/mf6.html#j

Oh, by all means everyone should go there.

They should also go to http://www.ussliberty.org and compare notes between
the two. The quotes on the first page are great.

Al gave a link to a great URL, and the book is even better; it was written
by an officer who was on board the Liberty (and on the bridge) at the time
of the attack. We can take the word of author James Ennes and his fellow
shipmates who were there, or we can take the word of people who weren't.
I'll accept the testimony of American fighting men who were actually at the
scene over government representatives/apologists/spin-doctors (from -any-
government) any day. I won't take it as gospel, but given the choice....

Oh, and for the record before I forget...I'm in no way anti-semitic, and
Pastor Peters and Al Patrick are both still full of ****.

Arthur Pozner wrote:
If the ship was 14 miles off the coast of Sinai it wasn't monitoring
shortwave -- morst likely VHF-UHF .
If not mistaking, the people in charge of giving orders to sink USS
Liberty were facing an investigation comission after the 1973 war and
got fired in 1974.(Not related to 1967 incident). Too late...

The investagation was most likely a result of Maipai (the party of of
Golda and David ben Gurion) losing election after the Yom Kippur War
('73 war)

Honus wrote:
"seigezunt" wrote in message
oups.com...

Re Pastor Peters and "Christian Identity"::

http://www.equip.org/free/DI100.htm

the fact that this was heard on a Christian Identity program should
discredit it outright.

Only if you're prone to knee-jerk reactions. It's more than possible, and
I'd say very likely that Peters or his agent approached the interviewee and
represented Peters as a God-fearing, Bible-thumping Christian pastor who
also transmits on SW to spread the word throughout the nations, which of
course is just what he is in addition to the other unsavory aspects of his
beliefs, which he perhaps felt no need to convey. I'm guessing the interview
was over the phone, that the guy had never heard of Peters before, was
probably a Christian and took Peters at his word, and would probably crap
his pants if he knew just how he'd been used, and I'm not prepared to assume
that the guy being interviewed knew just who he was associating with. YMMV.

Honus,

You are very true to form in this post. However, the man had been on
the program a number of times before, and knew who he was associating
with. He usually gets on Pastor Peters program sometime in June and
preferably around the anniversary of the awful event.

i.e. your last comment in the post; YOU probably are an expert on the
"full of .... " comment but you probably need to look into the mirror. :-)

======

You're still trying!

The gentleman was more than an a guest of Pastor Peter John Peter's
radio program. He was AN EYE WITNESS to the carnage. He was there
slipping and sliding in the blood of his comrades while the enemy
overhead was someone they had never suspected as they'd been reconned
over a dozen times that morning by planes wearing the Star of David.

Wonder why Jesus Christ said, BEWARE OF THE leaven of the PHARISEES,
WHICH IS HYPOCRISY?

Read Matthew 16 as there is an in depth discussion there. I'm just
giving three verses from that chapter. I especially like:

Luke 12:1 In the mean time, when there were gathered together an
innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon
another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of
the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.

Mt 16:6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven
of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Mt 16:11 How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you
concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees
and of the Sadducees?

Mt 16:12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the
leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Mr 8:15 And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of
the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod.

BTW, How did you expect to turn the whole article from the "Jews"
attempting to sink our most up to date spy ship - and destroy all on
board - to the name calling of Pastor Peters? NO! The topic, the
subject of the article, is the attempted sinking of the USS Liberty and
everyone needs to know the real facts of the matter; you and Honus be
damned!

==========

seigezunt wrote:

ADL? Spit? It astound me that people believe this crap. If you think
the Jewish people are organized enough to run a world-wide conspiracy,
then you need to hit some books other than those printed in Lincoln
Rockwell's basement. ZOG? We can hardly agree on the time of day.

Please. I just made the mistake of calling someone on their Jew-hating
spew. Forgive me my indiscretion about not letting idiocy go
unchallenged. I've learned my lesson.

Lemme guess, by putting "Jews" in quotes, you believe I'm a Khazar? So
you believe the whole kit and kaboodle and the Protocols? Do you hate
blacks and Asians, too?

Time to get some fresh tinfoil for your hat.

Below is just a portion of the free, online chapter six.

=======

The True Story of Israel's attack
on an American Intelligence Ship

By James M. Ennes, Jr.

Chapter Six

AIR ATTACK

Copyright by James Ennes 1980, 1986, 1995, 2002, 2004, 2005

Imagine all the earthquakes in the world, and all the thunder and
lightnings together in a space of two miles, all going off at once.
--Description by unknown U.S. Army officer of night engagement
when Farragut ran Fort Jackson and St. Philip, April 24, 1862

Searing heat and terrible noise came suddenly from everywhere.
Instinctively I turned sideways, presenting the smallest target to the
heat. Heat came first, and it was heat--not cannon fire--that caused me
to turn away. It was too soon to be aware of rockets or cannon fire.

"We're shooting!" I thought. "Why are we shooting?" The air filled with
hot metal as a geometric pattern of orange flashes opened holes in the
heavy deck plating. An explosion tossed our gunners high into the
air-spinning, broken, like rag dolls.

My first impression--my primitive, protective search for something safe
and familiar that put me emotionally behind the gun--was wrong. We were
not firing at all. We were being pounded with a deadly barrage of
aircraft cannon and rocket fire.

A solid blanket of force threw me against a railing. My arm held me up
while the attacker passed overhead, followed by a loud swoosh, then silence.

O'Connor spotted bright flashes under the wings of the French built jet
in time to dive down a ladder. He was struck in midair, severely wounded
by rocket fragments before he crashed into the deck below.

I seemed to be the only one left standing as the jet disappeared astern
of us. Around me, scattered about carelessly, men squirmed helplessly,
like wounded animals--wide-eyed, terrified, not understanding what had
happened.

The second airplane made a smoky trail in the sky ahead. Unable to move,
we watched them make a sweeping 180-degree turn toward Liberty, ready to
resume the attack. My khaki uniform was bright red now from two dozen
rocket fragments buried in my flesh. My left leg, broken above the knee,
hung from my hip like a great beanbag.

The taste of blood was strong in my mouth as I tested my good leg. Was I
badly hurt? Could I help the men floundering here? Could I help myself.
Was it cowardice to leave here?

On one leg, I hopped down the steep ladder, lurched across the open area
and fell heavily on the pilothouse deck just as hell's own jackhammers
pounded our steel plating for the second time. With incredible noise the
aircraft rockets poked eight-inch holes in the ship; like fire-breathing
creatures, they groped blindly for the men inside.

Already the pilothouse was littered with helpless and frightened men.
Blood flowed, puddled and coagulated everywhere. Men stepped in blood,
slipped and fell in it, tracked it about in great crimson footprints.
The chemical attack alarm sounded instead of the general alarm. Little
matter. Men knew we were under attack and went to their proper places.

Captain McGonagle suddenly appeared in the starboard door of the
pilothouse and ordered: "Right full rudder. All engines ahead flank.
Send a message to CNO: 'Under attack by unidentified jet aircraft,
require immediate assistance.' "

Grateful for an order to execute, confident that only this man could
save them, the crew responded with speed and precision born of terror.
Never have orders been acknowledged and executed more quickly. These
were brave men. These were trained men. But these were also confused and
frightened men inexperienced in combat. An order told them that
something was being done, made them a part of the effort, gave them
something to take the place of the awful fear.

Reacting to habit as much as to duty, and grateful that duty required
his quick exit from this terrible place, Lloyd Painter looked for his
relief so that he could report to his assigned damage control station
below. Finding Lieutenant O'Connor half dead in a limp and bloody heap
at the bottom of a ladder, he demanded: "Are you ready to relieve me?"

"No, I'm not ready to relieve you," O'Connor mimicked weakly --aware,
even now, of the irony. McGonagle interrupted to free Lloyd of his
bridge duty.

I lay next to the chart table, unable to control the blood flow from my
body and wondering how much I could lose before I would become
unconscious. Blood from my chest wound was collecting in a lump in my
side so large that I couldn't lower my arm. My trouser leg revealed a
steady flow of fresh blood from the fracture site. Numerous smaller
wounds oozed slowly. Next to me lay Seaman George Wilson of Chicago, who
had stood part of his lookout watch this morning without binoculars. In
spite of a nearly severed thumb, Wilson used his good arm and my web
belt to fashion a tourniquet for my leg, effectively slowing the worst
bleeding. Someone opened my shirt, ripping off my undershirt for use
somewhere as an emergency bandage. Meanwhile, I wrapped a handkerchief
tightly around Wilson's wrist to control the bleeding from his hand. In
this strange embrace we received the next airplane.

BLAM! Another barrage of rockets hit the ship. Although the first
airplane caused a permanent ringing in my ears and forever robbed me of
high-frequency hearing, the attacks seemed no less noisy. Men dropped
with each new assault. Lieutenant Toth, still carrying my unsent
sighting reports, received a rocket that turned his mortal remains into
smoking rubble. Seaman Salvador Payan remained alive with two jagged
chunks of metal buried deep within his skull. Ensign David Lucas
accepted a rocket fragment in his cerebellum. And still the attacks
continued.

In the pilothouse, Quartermaster Floyd Pollard stretched to swing a
heavy steel battle plate over the vulnerable glass porthole. A rocket,
and with it the porthole, exploded in front of him to transform his face
and upper torso into a bloody mess. Painter helped lead him to relative
safety near the quartermaster's log table before leaving the bridge to
report to his battle station.

On the port side, just below the bridge, fire erupted from two ruptured
fifty-five-gallon drums of gasoline. A great flaming river inundated the
area and poured down ladders to the main deck below. Lieutenant
Commander Armstrong-ever impulsive, ever gutsy, ever committed to the
job at hand-bounded toward the fire. "Hit, em! Slug the sons of
bitches!" he must have been saying as he fought to reach the
quick-release handle that would drop the flaming and still half-full
containers into the sea. A lone rocket suddenly dissolved the bones of
both of his legs.

Meanwhile, heretofore mysterious Contact X came to life with the first
exploding rocket. Quickly poking a periscope above the surface of the
water, American submariners watched wave after wave of jet airplanes
attacking Liberty. Strict orders prevented any action that might reveal
their presence. They could not help us, and they could not break radio
silence to send for help. Frustrated and angry, the commanding officer
activated a periscope camera that recorded Liberty's trauma on movie
film. He could do no more. 1

Dr. Kiepfer, en route to his battle station in the ship's sick bay,
stopped to treat a sailor he found bleeding badly from shrapnel wounds
in a passageway. A nearby door had not yet been closed, and through the
door Kiepfer could see two more wounded men on an exposed weather deck.
Cannon and rocket fire exploded everywhere as the men tried weakly to
crawl to relative safety.

"Go get those men," Kiepfer yelled to a small group of sailors as he
worked to control his patient's bleeding.

"No, sir," "Not me," "I'm not crazy," the frightened men whimpered as
they moved away from the doctor.

No matter. Kiepfer would do the job himself. As soon as he could leave
his patient, Kiepfer moved across the open deck. Ignoring bullets and
rocket fragments, the huge doctor kneeled beside the wounded men,
wrapped one long arm around each man's waist, and carried both men to
safety in one incredible and perilous trip.

Lieutenant George Golden, Liberty's engineer officer, was in the
wardroom with Ensign Lucas when the attack began. A meeting had been
planned for Golden, Scott, Lucas and McGonagle to discuss the drill. The
captain was still on the bridge, so the meeting would be delayed. Scott
was slow to arrive, as today was his twenty-fourth birthday and he was
at the ship's store picking out a Polaroid camera to help celebrate the
occasion.

Golden was pouring coffee when they heard the first explosion. "Jesus,
they dropped the motor whaleboat!" he cried as he abandoned his cup and
started toward the boat. Then he heard other explosions and knew even
before the alarm sounded that Liberty was under attack.

Reversing his path, he started toward his battle station in the engine
room just in time to see Ensign Scott open the door to his stateroom and
slide his new camera across the floor before racing to his battle
station in Damage Control Central.

A rocket penetrated the engine room to tear Golden from the engine-room
ladder. He plunged through darkness, finally crashing onto a steel deck,
miraculously unhurt. He could see rockets exploding everywhere, passing
just over the heads of his men and threatening vital equipment. "Get
down!" he yelled. "Everybody stay low; on your knees!"

Golden knew that the bridge would want maximum power. Already Main
Engine Control had an all-engines-ahead-flank bell from the bridge that
they could not answer. Flank speed was seventeen knots, but Golden had
taken one boiler off the line just ten minutes earlier so that it could
cool for repairs. Without that boiler the best speed he could provide
was about twelve knots. He immediately put the cooling boiler back on
the line and started to bring it up to pressure.

Even with both boilers on the line, the engines were limited by a
governor to eighteen knots. For years Golden had carried the governor
key in his pocket so that he could find it quickly in just such an
emergency as this. He switched the governor off, permitting the ship to
reach twenty-one knots.

As machine-gun fire and aircraft rockets battered the ship, the main
engine room began to take on the appearance of a fireworks display. Most
lighting was knocked out in the first few minutes, leaving flashlights
and battle lanterns as the only illumination in the room except for a
skylight six decks above. In this relative darkness, men worked on hands
and knees, operating valves, checking gauges, starting and stopping
equipment, bypassing broken pipes; and all the while above them danced
white, yellow, red and green firefly like particles. Some were small.
Some were huge and burst into pieces to shower down upon them. All
entered the room with a tremendous roar as they burst through the ship's
outer skin.

Golden glanced at the scene above him. It reminded him of meteor
showers, except for the noise, or of electric arc welding. Most of his
men were here now, having safely descended the ladders through the
fireworks to reach their battle stations. Boiler Tender Gene Owens was
here and in charge of auxiliary equipment on the deck below Golden.
Machinist Mate Chief Richard J. Brooks was here. Brooks was petty
officer in charge of the engine room, and he was everywhere.

Golden realized suddenly that far above them, directly in the range of
rocket and machine-gun fire, was a hot-water storage tank. Five thousand
gallons of near- boiling water lay in that tank, ready to pour down upon
them if it was ruptured, and it would surely be ruptured. The drain
valve was at the base of the tank, so it would be necessary to send a
man up more than three decks to open the valve.

Golden quickly explained to a young sailor what had to be done and sent
him on his way, but the frightened man collapsed on the deck grating and
refused to move.

Chief Brooks overheard the exchange. "C'mon, you heard the lieutenant.
Move!" he cried, jerking the panic-stricken teenager to his feet.

Terror was written on the young man's face. Tears started to flow as his
face contorted in a grimace of fear.

With a snarl of contempt, Brooks gave him a shove that sent him
sprawling. Then Brooks mounted the ladder leading to the vital drain
valve. Two decks above, perhaps fifteen feet up the ladder, a tremendous
explosion occurred next to Brooks. In a shower of sparks and fire, he
was torn from his place on the ladder and thrown into space to land
heavily upon the steel grating below. Brooks was back on his feet before
anyone could reach him. Back up the same ladder he headed until he found
the valve, opened it and drained the water only moments before the
inevitable rocket hit the storage tank to find it newly empty.

In a few minutes, most of the battle lanterns had been struck by rocket
fragments or disabled by the impact of nearby explosions. The room was
nearly dark. By working on hands and knees, men could remain below the
waterline and thus below most of the rocket and gunfire, although they
were still vulnerable to an occasional wildly aimed rocket and to the
constant shower of hot metal particles from above.

When fresh-air fans sucked choking smoke from the main deck into the
engine rooms, Golden ordered the men to cover their faces with rags and
to try to find air near the deck. When the smoke became intolerable, he
sent a message to the bridge that he would have to evacuate; but just
before Golden was to give the evacuation order, McGonagle ordered a
course change that carried the smoke away from the fans. Fresh air
returned at last to the engine room.

The first airplane had emptied the gun mounts and removed exposed
personnel. The second airplane, through extraordinary luck or fantastic
marksmanship, disabled nearly every radio antenna on the ship,
temporarily preventing our call for help.

Soon the high-performance Mirage fighter bombers that initiated the
attack were joined by smaller swept-wing Dassault Mystyre jets, carrying
dreaded napalm--jellied gasoline. The Mystyres, slower and more
maneuverable than the Mirages, directed rockets and napalm against the
bridge and the few remaining topside targets. In a technique probably
designed for desert warfare but fiendish against a ship at sea, the
Mystyre pilots launched rockets from a distance, then dropped huge
silvery metallic napalm canisters as they passed overhead. The jellied
slop burst into furious flame on impact, coating everything, then surged
through the fresh rocket holes to burn frantically among the men inside.'

I watched Captain McGonagle standing alone on the starboard wing of the
bridge as the whole world suddenly caught fire. The deck below him,
stanchions around him, even the overhead above him burned. The entire
superstructure of the ship burst into a wall of flame from the main deck
to the open bridge four levels above. All burned with the peculiar fury
of warfare while Old Shep, seemingly impervious to man-made flame and
looking strangely like Satan himself, stepped calmly through the fire to
order: "Fire, fire, starboard side, oh-three level. Sound the fire alarm."

Fire fighters came on stage as though waiting in the wings for a
prearranged signal. Streaming through a rear pilothouse door, they
carried axes, crowbars, CO, bottles and hundreds of feet of fire hose.
The sound of CO, bottles and fire-hose sprinklers added to the din as
the smell of steam overtook the smell of nitrates, smoke and blood. Men
screamed, cried, yelled orders and scrambled to duty as the ship
struggled to stay alive.

On the forecastle, Gunner's Mate Alexander N. Thompson fought his way
relentlessly toward the forward gun mount. Only moments before, Thompson
had remarked to me on the bridge: "No sweat, sir. If anything happens I
just want to be in a gun mount." Now he was repeatedly driven away by
exploding rockets. Weakened, with duty waiting in that small gun tub, he
tried again.

His radar disabled, Radarman Charles J. Cocnavitch left his post to man
a nearby gun mount. "Stay back!" Captain McGonagle ordered, knowing that
the gun would be ineffective and that Cocnavitch would die in a futile
attempt to fire. Meanwhile, Lieutenant O'Connor, still lying near the
ladder where he had fallen, was robbed of any latent prejudices by huge
black Signalman Russell David, who braved fire, blast and bullets to
move the limp and barely conscious officer from the bridge to safety in
the now-empty combat information center.

The pilothouse became a hopeless sea of wounded men, swollen fire hoses
and discarded equipment. Men tripped over equipment, stepped on wounded.
In front of the helmsman a football-size glob of napalm burned angrily,
adding to the smoke and confusion. Smaller napalm globs burned in other
parts of the room, refusing to be extinguished.

Again I thought of duty. My duty was on this bridge, amid the flame and
the shrapnel, driving this ship and fighting to protect her. Already I
was weak from loss of blood and from the shock of my wounds. A sailor
tripped over me, stepped on Seaman Wilson, and fell on other wounded as
he dragged a CO, bottle across the room. I decided that duty did not
require that we all lie here and bleed. It may even require that we get
out of the way, if we can, so that others may fight. Relinquishing
Wilson's tourniquet to Wilson, he released mine. Acutely conscious of my
retreat from the heart of battle, I raised an arm toward some sailors
huddled nearby. Seaman Kenneth Ecker pulled me to my feet and I resumed
my one-legged hopping.

I need a place to plug my wounds, I told myself, a place to find the
holes and stop the flow of blood.

I hopped out of the room. Ecker stayed with me, adding to the guilt I
felt for leaving the bridge. Bad enough that I should leave, but to take
the bridge watch with me! "Go back!" I insisted. Ecker stayed. The
ladder leading from the pilothouse was thick with fire hoses. Somewhere
beneath the hoses were solid ladder rungs, but my foot could find only
slippery fire hoses. With one hand on each railing and with my beanbag
catching awkwardly on every obstruction, I hopped clumsily down the
ladder. Once I stood aside to let a man pass in the other direction with
a C02 bottle. He stopped to stare at me with a startled look, his mouth
open. "Hurry!" I said. I reached the level below to find Ecker still
with me. "Go back!" I protested again.

Lightheaded from loss of blood, I searched for a place to examine my
injuries and to treat my wounds. The search became urgent as I became
increasingly dizzy. More airplanes pounded our ship as I discovered that
the captain's cabin offered no refuge. Through his door I could see a
smoke-filled room with gaping holes opening to the flame outside, and
frantic napalm globs eating his carpet.

Around a corner I found the doctor's stateroom. The room was dark, the
air free of smoke. His folding bunk was open from a noontime nap, his
porthole closed with a steel battle plate. Strangely concerned that I
was soiling his sheets with blood, I pulled myself onto his clean bed.
My useless left leg hung over the side in a sitting position. Ecker,
still nearby, wanting to help but afraid to touch the leg, finally laid
it gingerly alongside the other. I thought of the tissue being abused
and wondered how close the sharp bone ends were to the artery.

What happens if I cut the artery ? I wondered. Maybe I have already. A
thousand questions begged for answers: Did we get our message off? Will
they never stop shooting? When will our jets arrive? And who is shooting
at us, anyway?

We still had no idea who was attacking. Although the Arab countries
largely blamed the United States for their problems and falsely charged
that American carrier-based aircraft had assisted Israel, we knew that
the Arab air forces were crippled and probably unable to launch an
attack like this one. And to increase the confusion, a ship's officer
thought he saw a MIG- 1 5 over Liberty and quickly spread a false report
among the crew that we were being attacked by the Soviet Union. Probably
no one suspected Israeli forces.

"seigezunt" wrote in message
oups.com...
Re Pastor Peters and "Christian Identity"::

http://www.equip.org/free/DI100.htm

the fact that this was heard on a Christian Identity program should
discredit it outright.

Your wrong dude, very wrong and no not what you are talking of.

It "ain't" worth going into here but the true story will come out soon. The
Russians were right there watching everything and are now making the facts
know.

Our ships were just a few hundred miles away and refused to help.

It's all coming out.

Burr

PS: If you want some one to listen to you try getting a real email account
and a real name.

Jim Leonard wrote:

and the US didn't have the balls to take out a major city of theirs
just to discourage such activity in the future?

Of course not! Those wascally Jews in America would have done Something
Really Really Bad if that happened! What they would have done is still a
mystery to the Bright White Warriors, but they would have done
*something*. (Creative thinking is not a noted attribute of BWWs. The
Jews stole their ability to do so, took the file right out of their
brains just like the Syndicate took away Mulder's memory of UFOs in The
X-Files. Unfortunately in the case of the BWWs, doing so created a black
hole effect, and all their ability to reason and have any form of
independent thought went down the rabbit hole.)

"Tony" wrote in message
...

"seigezunt" wrote in message
ups.com...

wrote:
It is not a myth, and the jews in the know had LBJ cover it up.

This "Jew in the know" wonders if maybe this thread needs to
continue
in a more appropriate forum, such as alt.revisionism or
alt.skinheads.

seigezunt

No matter how much you and your likes try to decieve and hide it,
the truth
will come shining through. The reason for the attacks on Liberty was
to
prevent the US from knowing about the atrocities and war crimes that
were
committed by the Israelis against the retreating Egyptians in the
Sinai.

Let me guess-they killed them in satanic rituals in order to get blood
for making matzos?

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seigezunt wrote:

ADL? Spit? It astound me that people believe this crap. If you think
the Jewish people are organized enough to run a world-wide conspiracy,
then you need to hit some books other than those printed in Lincoln
Rockwell's basement. ZOG? We can hardly agree on the time of day.

Remember the old joke about 3 Jews on a desert island? By the time
they're rescued, they've formed 8 political parties.

I'm more worried about the Jewish Defense League than the ADL. Kahane's
guys are NUTS. So are the Lubavitchers, but the Lubavitchers don't kill
people.

Please. I just made the mistake of calling someone on their Jew-hating
spew. Forgive me my indiscretion about not letting idiocy go
unchallenged. I've learned my lesson.

Lemme guess, by putting "Jews" in quotes, you believe I'm a Khazar? So
you believe the whole kit and kaboodle and the Protocols? Do you hate
blacks and Asians, too?

Yeah, Khazars or whatever. Don't forget, the Khazars were a Turkic
people, and Turks are Caucasian. So are Iranians.

Time to get some fresh tinfoil for your hat.

HF waves can penetrate tinfoil. That's Al's big problem-he picks up
whatever Peters broadcasts, and automatically believes it.

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Al Patrick wrote:

seigezunt wrote:
Re Pastor Peters and "Christian Identity"::

http://www.equip.org/free/DI100.htm

the fact that this was heard on a Christian Identity program should
discredit it outright.

Re the Liberty:

MYTH

"During the 1967 War, Israel deliberately attacked the USS Liberty."

FACT

"The Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was a grievous error, largely
attributable to the fact that it occurred in the midst of the confusion
of a full-scale war in 1967. Ten official United States investigations
and three official Israeli inquiries have all conclusively established
the attack was a tragic mistake.

That's what the guest said they CLAIMED. However, he said slower moving
planes flying the star of David studied the ship THIRTEEN times (?) from
06:00 to 12:00, then at 14:00 the ship was attacked by gun boats,
helicopters and jets. They INTENDED to leave NO SURVIVORS but somehow
the ship would not go down even though it was "thrown together" in about
45 days. Someone radioed, "Help is on the way" and the cowards fled.
This ship was protected only by two 50-cal's on the fore and aft of the
ship. The USS Saratoga was supposed to protect it but it's jets were 15
minutes away - and were ORDERED to STAND DOWN!

GET THE BOOK! Dispense with the LIES. :-)

Oh, you were right on the ball. What does the ADL pay you to help to
stomp out the truth? It took less than an hour for you to "detect" and
attempt to "deflect" the truth! :-)

I dunno. What does Peters pay you to spread his gospel on rrs? Don't
tell me you actually shill for him for FREE!

Do "Jews" who benefit so greatly from America's generosity really spit
when they hear the words "Jesus Christ"?

Do you spit when you hear the word "Yahweh"? If you do, I'd hate to see
the rug in your trailer...

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"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...
Honus wrote:
"seigezunt" wrote in message
oups.com...

Re Pastor Peters and "Christian Identity"::

http://www.equip.org/free/DI100.htm

the fact that this was heard on a Christian Identity program should
discredit it outright.

Only if you're prone to knee-jerk reactions. It's more than possible,
and
I'd say very likely that Peters or his agent approached the interviewee
and
represented Peters as a God-fearing, Bible-thumping Christian pastor who
also transmits on SW to spread the word throughout the nations, which of
course is just what he is in addition to the other unsavory aspects of
his
beliefs, which he perhaps felt no need to convey. I'm guessing the
interview
was over the phone, that the guy had never heard of Peters before, was
probably a Christian and took Peters at his word, and would probably
crap
his pants if he knew just how he'd been used, and I'm not prepared to
assume
that the guy being interviewed knew just who he was associating with.
YMMV.

Honus,

You are very true to form in this post.

In other words I clearly stated my opinion as such. I was speculating, and I
said so. I gave the guy the benefit of the doubt. Where I wasn't
speculating, well...I made that clear as well. You and Peters are so full of
**** you both must have brown eyes, regardless of their original color.
Dull, vacant and listless brown eyes.

However, the man had been on
the program a number of times before, and knew who he was associating
with. He usually gets on Pastor Peters program sometime in June and
preferably around the anniversary of the awful event.

Well then, the guy isn't doing the cause much good and I stand corrected.
For the most part I must agree with seigezunt when he says "the fact that th
is was heard on a Christian Identity program should discredit it outright."
I was willing to assume for the interviewee's sake that he didn't know what
he'd gotten himself into; I was wrong. If he's a Peters fan, then he's got
brown eyes as well. Regardless, I urge people to not dismiss this particular
story just because it's being examined by Peters, or because you posted the
URL, both of which are damning indictments of the veracity of any story. As
a matter of fact, believing in the truth of James Ennes' account as I do,
I'd appreciate if you'd shut up about it. Your endorsement of it is doing
more harm than good.

i.e. your last comment in the post; YOU probably are an expert on the
"full of .... " comment but you probably need to look into the mirror.
:-)

**** yourself, Al.

running dogg wrote:

I don't know how long you've been here, but us old timers know that Al
will believe ANYTHING that "Pastor" Peters tells him. Peters could
declare that the world is flat, and Al would log on here and present 20
different forms of proof that the earth is flat. Al is very gullible,
and it's funny for a while until it gets boring. Then you just killfile
him. Peters is one of the least enjoyable kooks on SW, anyway. The
constant Jew bashing gets old quickly. Alex Jones is much funnier.

For those who'd like to find out for themselves Pastor Peters is on the
web at http://www.scripturesforamerica.org

His radio log is pretty extensive, including 24/7 on Telstar 5, 24/2 on
WWCR on the weekends and multiple times and places on the dial for WWCR
shortwave all during the week. He also has live streaming on his web
site and the Sunday church services are also live streamed (audio and
video) and on Telstar 5 (audio only).

There are some on this group who will pooh pooh anyone who uplifts Jesus
Christ. They appear to get their approval / disapproval of any
programming from the ADL.

IF the Bible is correct the descendants of Abraham, Issac and
Jacob/Israel are supposed to be a MULTITUDE OF NATIONS with people as
innumerable as the stars in the sky and the sands of the sea. People
who wish us to believe that a few million Christ-hating folks in the
middle east in a place about the size of New Jersey don't want you to
know about God's promises to Abraham and his descendants. :-)

(Lord, forgive me for responding) but Gen. 12:2 says "a great nation"
(goi gadol in the Hebrew). Unless you have another source.

And I would conjecture that it's not J-hating going on, but concerns
about the various atrocities committed in his name. Doesn't seem a bad
fellow in my book, but that dang Paul came along and all Hades broke
loose.

I couldn't resist. I will get back to talking about SW.

seigezunt wrote:
(Lord, forgive me for responding) but Gen. 12:2 says "a great nation"
(goi gadol in the Hebrew). Unless you have another source.

And I would conjecture that it's not J-hating going on, but concerns
about the various atrocities committed in his name. Doesn't seem a bad
fellow in my book, but that dang Paul came along and all Hades broke
loose.

I couldn't resist. I will get back to talking about SW.

You're right - partially! :-)

Gen. 12:2 says, "...a great nation"

Gen. 17:20 says the same for Ishmael. He's talking to Abraham and says
that Ishmael will also be A GREAT NATION. BUT (v. 19) Sarah is to bear
a son [after passing the time of child bearing by many years] whose name
shall be called Isaac and "...I will establish my covenant with him for
an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him."

20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him,
and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve
princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear
unto thee at this set time in the next year.

Ge 21:18 Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will
make him a great nation.

Ge 46:3 And he said, I am God, the God of thy father: fear not to go
down into Egypt; for I will there make of thee a great nation:

To Moses God said,

Ex 32:10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against
them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.

------

NOW:

Abraham begat Isaac and Isaac begat Jacob whose name was changed to
Israel. Jacob/Israel begat Joseph who was sold into Egyptian slavery
where be became a great ruler and saved Egypt, and his own family, from
starvation.

In Genesis 48 Jacob/Israel blesses the two children of Joseph and this
is what is said. Pay close attention to verse 19. Some believe that
Joseph's two children became the nations of the United States of America
and Great Britain.

14 And Israel stretched out his right hand, and laid it upon Ephraim’s
head, who was the younger, and his left hand upon Manasseh’s head,
guiding his hands wittingly; for Manasseh was the firstborn.

15 And he blessed Joseph, and said, God, before whom my fathers Abraham
and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day,

16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let
my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac;
and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.

17 And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the
head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father’s hand, to
remove it from Ephraim’s head unto Manasseh’s head.

18 And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the
firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.

19 And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he
also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his
younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a
multitude of nations.

------

There is MUCH more that could be said here like who really discovered
America and why in New Mexico there's a stone with the Ten Commandments
on it in beautiful flowing ancient Hebrew - not the square boxy letters
currently used.

One might even look up the word Caucasian and see where it came from.

One might also consider the names of many of the places where the "lost"
tribes traveled, their sailing ability, and why someone else might
pretend to "find" America in 1492, many hundreds of years after the
white man was already hear.

Look up "Ica Stones."

Look "Pillar Stone"

Better still, Look up "Pillar Stone" & coronation.

Even better yet, maybe. :-) Look up "Lia Fail Stone" & coronation

Did you know that the Kings & Queens of England have been able to trace
their lineage all the way back to king David, and thus to Jesus Christ?
A study of the above just might reveal that -- and prove the
Scriptures which say that David will not cease to have someone on the
throne until the return of Jesus Christ. For this reason, I predict
that Great Britain will NOT join the EU, because that would probably
require that they relinquish their headship of the country. ....But I
could be wrong. They *may* be able to join the EU and still retain
title to the throne. I just don't see exactly how that can be done.

Goood day!

Near the end of the previous message I stated, "I predict that Great
Britain will NOT join the EU, because that would probably require that
they relinquish their headship of the country."

That should have read, "I predict that Great Britain will not ratify the
EU Constitution...."

You may wish to do a Google search for [ "EU Constitution" & Britain ] -
without the brackets - which should produce hundreds of thousands of hits.

=======

Al Patrick wrote:
seigezunt wrote:

(Lord, forgive me for responding) but Gen. 12:2 says "a great nation"
(goi gadol in the Hebrew). Unless you have another source.

And I would conjecture that it's not J-hating going on, but concerns
about the various atrocities committed in his name. Doesn't seem a bad
fellow in my book, but that dang Paul came along and all Hades broke
loose.

I couldn't resist. I will get back to talking about SW.

You're right - partially! :-)

Gen. 12:2 says, "...a great nation"

Gen. 17:20 says the same for Ishmael. He's talking to Abraham and says
that Ishmael will also be A GREAT NATION. BUT (v. 19) Sarah is to bear
a son [after passing the time of child bearing by many years] whose name
shall be called Isaac and "...I will establish my covenant with him for
an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him."

20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him,
and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve
princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear
unto thee at this set time in the next year.

Ge 21:18 Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will
make him a great nation.

Ge 46:3 And he said, I am God, the God of thy father: fear not to go
down into Egypt; for I will there make of thee a great nation:

To Moses God said,

Ex 32:10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against
them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.

------

NOW:

Abraham begat Isaac and Isaac begat Jacob whose name was changed to
Israel. Jacob/Israel begat Joseph who was sold into Egyptian slavery
where be became a great ruler and saved Egypt, and his own family, from
starvation.

In Genesis 48 Jacob/Israel blesses the two children of Joseph and this
is what is said. Pay close attention to verse 19. Some believe that
Joseph's two children became the nations of the United States of America
and Great Britain.

14 And Israel stretched out his right hand, and laid it upon Ephraim’s
head, who was the younger, and his left hand upon Manasseh’s head,
guiding his hands wittingly; for Manasseh was the firstborn.

15 And he blessed Joseph, and said, God, before whom my fathers Abraham
and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day,

16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let
my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac;
and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.

17 And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the
head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father’s hand, to
remove it from Ephraim’s head unto Manasseh’s head.

18 And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the
firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.

19 And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he
also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his
younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a
multitude of nations.

------

There is MUCH more that could be said here like who really discovered
America and why in New Mexico there's a stone with the Ten Commandments
on it in beautiful flowing ancient Hebrew - not the square boxy letters
currently used.

One might even look up the word Caucasian and see where it came from.

One might also consider the names of many of the places where the "lost"
tribes traveled, their sailing ability, and why someone else might
pretend to "find" America in 1492, many hundreds of years after the
white man was already hear.

Look up "Ica Stones."

Look "Pillar Stone"

Better still, Look up "Pillar Stone" & coronation.

Even better yet, maybe. :-) Look up "Lia Fail Stone" & coronation

Did you know that the Kings & Queens of England have been able to trace
their lineage all the way back to king David, and thus to Jesus Christ?
A study of the above just might reveal that -- and prove the Scriptures
which say that David will not cease to have someone on the throne until
the return of Jesus Christ. For this reason, I predict that Great
Britain will NOT join the EU, because that would probably require that
they relinquish their headship of the country. ....But I could be
wrong. They *may* be able to join the EU and still retain title to the
throne. I just don't see exactly how that can be done.

Goood day!

seigezunt wrote:
Lemme guess, by putting "Jews" in quotes, you believe I'm a Khazar?

Hold it right there - somebody go get Mr. Davies.

Sounds like we finally have a real live kazaharharhar here.

Hey Bro. Lawrence - let's ask him if he really rules the world ! ! !

I bet he does.

And I bet he owns all the banks, too.

I wonder if he controls WWCR behind the scenes.

kk4tl wrote:
seigezunt wrote:
Lemme guess, by putting "Jews" in quotes, you believe I'm a Khazar?

Hold it right there - somebody go get Mr. Davies.

Sounds like we finally have a real live kazaharharhar here.

Hey Bro. Lawrence - let's ask him if he really rules the world ! ! !

I bet he does.

And I bet he owns all the banks, too.

I wonder if he controls WWCR behind the scenes.

Lw,

I wouldn't bet on Mongolloyd Davies owning the clothes he is
wearing....., much less any business.

I tried to reply to your request for spare SP-600 parts, your aol
mailbox was closed.

No parts anymore. I see you might have one headed your way, SP-600 that
is.

Les