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-=jd=- wrote:

On Fri 08 Jul 2005 10:56:47p, running dogg wrote in message
:

Brad wrote:

"David" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 01:15:39 +1000, "Brad" bradvk2qq AT w6ir.com
wrote:

"David" wrote in message
. ..
Australia gets cold feet. Bali

When did we get cold feet? We just sent another 480 specialists to
southern
Iraq to support the Japanese.
There was a growing pacifist movement afoot.

So, your logic is...you (Australia) do not want to get involved, so
we'll blow you up. You (UK) did get involved, so we'll blow you up. You
(Spain) used to be involved, so we'll blow you up. WTF?

Actually, I would say that's pretty accurate. If you're not a jihadi
Muslim, you're an evil infidel, so you're fair game. The terrorists even
blow up Muslims who they deem to be insufficiently devout. When the
terrorists ran Afghanistan, they hacked men's heads off for playing
cards or owning pets, both of which were deemed to take away from pure
devotion to Islam, and women's heads off for showing their ankles. They
killed people for not praying at mosque seven times a day (traditional
Islam demands only five prayers a day). Anything other than absolutely
pure, 100% devotion to their form of Islam makes you an infidel who
deserves to be killed. The terrorists want people to think only pure
Muslim thoughts and act in pure Muslim ways, 100% of the time, 24-7.
It's the kind of absolute devotion that Christians imagine of Jesus. It
is also literally impossible for 99% of humanity.

Have you not been paying attention to ricket's rants? It's all Bush's
fault. We'll have none of that islamic purity clap-trap you're trying to
peddle. The answer to the whole problem is replacing Bush with someone who
will appease the "Freedom Fighters".

The big question, of course, is whether the insurgents really see
themselves as freedom fighters or as revolutionaries trying to impose an
Islamic theocracy on Iraq by way of terror.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!! Apologies -- I can't keep a straight face. You are, of
course, solidly on the right track. I have a simpler explanation. The
terrorist islamic trash does not want a single thing you have. They simply
do not want *you* to have what you have. It grates on their nerves that
your society has succeeded and thrived WITHOUT strictly following the
koran, while theirs is barely one step away from a hunter/gatherer, mud-
stick-hut lifestyle in spite of praising allah five times a day.

Well, sort of. They DO want what we have, and they want it for free.
They have zero concept of the work that went into, say, this computer on
my desk. To them, it's magic, and they think they can terrorize us into
giving them the spells.

I've read that in the books about the End Times that circulate among
Muslims in places like Palestine is the prediction that the "mahdi" (the
End Times leader of Islam, sort of like the Second Coming of Jesus) will
force the West to convert to Islam and to give him the secrets to their
technology. It's a short jump from that to the conclusion that Osama is
the mahdi, and that terror is how he will convert the West and gain the
keys to the West's "magic".

In many parts of the Muslim world, the only education that boys (never
girls) get is at religious schools, madrasas or their equivalents, and
all they learn is how to recite the Quran and Islamic fundie, anti
Western propaganda. Even in Saudi Arabia, the royal family's effort to
get Saudis hired in the oil industry has failed because all the
universities teach is Islamic theology. Not surprisingly, the
unemployment rate in such places is sky high, and disillusioned young
men pour into the terrorist networks. It's sad, really, to see so much
potential wasted.

The Muslims want the Americans out of their countries, and if they could
take over the running of the oil companies we COULD get out. But places
like Saudi Arabia is dependent on American workers to run the rigs
because there is virtually no homegrown educational system. So the
locals have no concept of Western educational processes and of the
ingenuity they spawn. They think it's magic. To them, Allah has blessed
Americans and cursed Muslims, and they can't understand why. So they
want to kill us all so Allah will be forced to bless them once again.

What we really need to do is give Muslims the means to create their own
educational systems, not just systems where all boys learn is theology.
Once enough Muslims have been educated properly and can take over the
running of the oil industry, and enough military officers have been
educated so that they can create effective armies to combat terrorism,
then we can leave and leave the running of the Muslim world to Muslims
who know best how to run their countries. We wouldn't have to prop up
corrupt dictators for fear that the place would go to seed if we
withdrew.

Meanwhile, rickets remains unconsciously imcompetent about most any aspect
of the situation.

-=jd=-

PS. in case rickets is flummoxed, "unconsciously imcompetent" means you are
clueless and don't even realize you are clueless...

Yep, that's Rickets.

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"running dogg" wrote
If you're not a jihadi
Muslim, you're an evil infidel, so you're fair game. The terrorists even
blow up Muslims who they deem to be insufficiently devout. When the
terrorists ran Afghanistan, they hacked men's heads off for playing
cards or owning pets, both of which were deemed to take away from pure
devotion to Islam, and women's heads off for showing their ankles. They
killed people for not praying at mosque seven times a day (traditional
Islam demands only five prayers a day). Anything other than absolutely
pure, 100% devotion to their form of Islam makes you an infidel who
deserves to be killed. The terrorists want people to think only pure
Muslim thoughts and act in pure Muslim ways, 100% of the time, 24-7.
It's the kind of absolute devotion that Christians imagine of Jesus. It
is also literally impossible for 99% of humanity.

The only problem with your "association" is that the Chritianity today, the
Chritianity I am familiar with (Not 1000 years ago which you seem to
constantly regurgitate and not the fundementalists which you hilariously
claim as running the country - still laughing over that one.) teaches love
and forgiveness, kindness, unselfishness and truthfulness. Nowhere have I
seen anything in Chritianity like the hate, murder, oppression, lies, etc.,
that I see in Islamic fundemntalism. But, I wouldn't expect a Leftist to
easilly see this glaring difference.

These Islamic fundamentalist acts are exactly the same as what occurred in
China during Mao and his Cultural Revolution.
Simply substitute Islam for the Communist Party.

"running dogg" wrote

What we really need to do

WHAT "WE" NEED TO DO? "WE" "DO"???

is give Muslims the means to create their own
educational systems, not just systems where all boys learn is theology.

And how do you propose that "WE" do that Left-boy? By osmosis? Pray to
Jesus? Send money? LOL

Once enough Muslims have been educated properly and can take over the
running of the oil industry, and enough military officers have been
educated so that they can create effective armies to combat terrorism,
then we can leave and leave the running of the Muslim world to Muslims
who know best how to run their countries. We wouldn't have to prop up
corrupt dictators for fear that the place would go to seed if we
withdrew.

Life must be so simply and sweet for Left-boy. I feel so much better now.
LOL

Jon Rappoport www.nomorefakenews.com has some interesting articles
about London.
cuhulin

Li`Changchun wrote:

"running dogg" wrote

What we really need to do

WHAT "WE" NEED TO DO? "WE" "DO"???

is give Muslims the means to create their own
educational systems, not just systems where all boys learn is theology.

And how do you propose that "WE" do that Left-boy? By osmosis? Pray to
Jesus? Send money? LOL

Once enough Muslims have been educated properly and can take over the
running of the oil industry, and enough military officers have been
educated so that they can create effective armies to combat terrorism,
then we can leave and leave the running of the Muslim world to Muslims
who know best how to run their countries. We wouldn't have to prop up
corrupt dictators for fear that the place would go to seed if we
withdrew.

Life must be so simply and sweet for Left-boy. I feel so much better now.
LOL

Geez, Li, you're becoming as bad as dxAce. I see you're trying to avoid
our killfiles once again, this time by putting an apostrophe in your
name.

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Michael Lawson wrote:

"running dogg" wrote in message
...

The Muslims want the Americans out of their countries, and if they
could
take over the running of the oil companies we COULD get out. But
places
like Saudi Arabia is dependent on American workers to run the rigs
because there is virtually no homegrown educational system. So the
locals have no concept of Western educational processes and of the
ingenuity they spawn. They think it's magic. To them, Allah has
blessed
Americans and cursed Muslims, and they can't understand why. So they
want to kill us all so Allah will be forced to bless them once
again.

I personally want to know what their educational
system thinks of the Golden Age of the Islamic
states, when the West was in the late Dark Ages
and the Middle Ages. After all, the Islamic centers
of learning inherited the knowledge of the Greeks
and Romans, and applied that knowledge to a high
degree. It's about as secular as the Muslim world
became, but I wonder if that's ever mentioned today.

If it is, it's probably mentioned in the context of "Allah blessed us
and made us great but the Jews and Crusaders stole it from us, so we
need to kill them in order to get it back". I wonder if the average
Muslim has any more than a cursory knowledge of the ass kicking that
Saladin delivered to the Crusaders. All they remember is how the
Crusaders put the entire population of Jerusalem, including Christians,
to the sword. From what I've read, Muslim "education" is one long litany
of "the West did us wrong, so kill them". Fundamentalist movements by
themselves are not necessarily dangerous-many fundies of all three
monotheistic religions believe some pretty wacky things without turning
violent. But when fundamentalism becomes politicized, and starts looking
for people to blame and kill so that the end of history can hurry up and
arrive, then it becomes quite dangerous.

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Paper: Ameica Orders It's Forces: Stay Out Of London.
www.drudgereport.com I never have been interested in going to London.
cuhulin

-=jd=- wrote:

On Sat 09 Jul 2005 10:04:06p, running dogg wrote in message
:

-=jd=- wrote:

On Fri 08 Jul 2005 10:56:47p, running dogg wrote in
message :

Brad wrote:

"David" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 01:15:39 +1000, "Brad" bradvk2qq AT w6ir.com
wrote:

"David" wrote in message
. ..
Australia gets cold feet. Bali

When did we get cold feet? We just sent another 480 specialists to
southern
Iraq to support the Japanese.
There was a growing pacifist movement afoot.

So, your logic is...you (Australia) do not want to get involved, so
we'll blow you up. You (UK) did get involved, so we'll blow you up.
You (Spain) used to be involved, so we'll blow you up. WTF?

Actually, I would say that's pretty accurate. If you're not a jihadi
Muslim, you're an evil infidel, so you're fair game. The terrorists
even blow up Muslims who they deem to be insufficiently devout. When
the terrorists ran Afghanistan, they hacked men's heads off for
playing cards or owning pets, both of which were deemed to take away
from pure devotion to Islam, and women's heads off for showing their
ankles. They killed people for not praying at mosque seven times a
day (traditional Islam demands only five prayers a day). Anything
other than absolutely pure, 100% devotion to their form of Islam
makes you an infidel who deserves to be killed. The terrorists want
people to think only pure Muslim thoughts and act in pure Muslim
ways, 100% of the time, 24-7. It's the kind of absolute devotion that
Christians imagine of Jesus. It is also literally impossible for 99%
of humanity.

Have you not been paying attention to ricket's rants? It's all Bush's
fault. We'll have none of that islamic purity clap-trap you're trying
to peddle. The answer to the whole problem is replacing Bush with
someone who will appease the "Freedom Fighters".

The big question, of course, is whether the insurgents really see
themselves as freedom fighters or as revolutionaries trying to impose an
Islamic theocracy on Iraq by way of terror.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!! Apologies -- I can't keep a straight face. You are, of
course, solidly on the right track. I have a simpler explanation. The
terrorist islamic trash does not want a single thing you have. They
simply do not want *you* to have what you have. It grates on their
nerves that your society has succeeded and thrived WITHOUT strictly
following the koran, while theirs is barely one step away from a
hunter/gatherer, mud- stick-hut lifestyle in spite of praising allah
five times a day.

Well, sort of. They DO want what we have, and they want it for free.
They have zero concept of the work that went into, say, this computer on
my desk. To them, it's magic, and they think they can terrorize us into
giving them the spells.

Well, when I say they they don't want us to have what we have, I mean that
they only want us to have what they have. Good Gravy that's hard to read!!

Sort of like the bully who wants to bring others down to his level, or
the Communist fixated on equal outcomes?

In my experiences, I see it according to the following: From their point of
view, the fact that modern western society has thrived and theirs has not
is salt in their wounds. It infuriates the hard-core islamics that despite
their strict adherence to their faith, their society does not dominate in
the world (and worse yet) no-one worth-while envies them. The *only* way
they can dominate is to reduce everyone else to some level below them.
There is no way they can rise above and still remain in strict adherence to
their screwed-up faith. When they see the west, they see the big,
modernized society chugging along, vastly more successful, and (*GASP*) it
produced the likes of MTV! In their minds, a society that produces
something like MTV is an abomination that any just God should certainly
forsake.

Well, if Christians and Jews strictly adhered to the screwed up elements
of THEIR faiths, we'd ALL be barely existing. All major religions have
their weird parts. But there's more at work than just religion-the
entire culture of the Muslim world puts them at a disadvantage. They
don't have an educational system, they don't have anything close to
democratic institutions, they don't have respect for anybody or
anything. The Muslim imam arrested in California on suspicion of
recruiting jihadin told his judge that he was amazed to see how we care
for animals here. In Muslim societies animals are considered nuisances,
dogs are neglected because they're "unclean". Muslim societies are still
based on antiquated notions of revenge. And of course they
systematically bar 50% of their population (women) from having any say
in their lives, much less any rights. In Saudi Arabia dating is
prohibited, boys and girls are reduced to writing phone numbers on slips
of paper, wadding them up, and throwing them at each other. Most
marriages are arranged. Women are kept literally hidden away from the
world. The extreme was in Afghanistan, where women were required to stay
inside all the time in homes with painted over windows. It's very much a
male society, much like the West was in the Middle Ages, only more
extreme. The sad part is that there was a time when Islam DID dominate,
in the first few centuries of the faith. Cairo was the center of
learning for the entire known world, Arabia was a major trading center,
Muslims had advanced institutions. It seems that the peak of Islam was
in the 10th century, and it's been downhill for the last thousand years.

But if anyone has been forsaken, it's Ali-Wattever and his herd of goats,
barely scraping an existence out of some of the most ****-poor real-estate
on the face of the earth.

Of course, the dictators and kings have lots of wealth, but it's all
based on oil. They simply drill into the sand and keep the proceeds. One
observer compared Riyadh to Las Vegas, with huge, glitzy palaces
surrounded by modest homes. But Las Vegas has produced a stable middle
class society, while Saudis live amid decay and penury. Much of Riyadh
is decaying, while the royals build fabulous palaces set in compounds
where the roads are paved with marble. The royals keep the average
person from getting any power or control or any of the oil wealth. They
hoard it all for themselves, and with the blessing of the US. Former CIA
agent Robert Baer wrote that he's surprised that there hasn't yet been a
revolution in SA. Of course, if there WAS a revolution, they'd simply be
replacing the king with the mullahs. Throwing one dictator out and
gaining another. That's what the Iranians discovered when they tossed
out the US backed Shah and handed power to the ayatollahs. The
ayatollahs turned out to be worse in many ways than the shah, but they'd
given them legitimacy, so they were stuck. And now the ayatollahs are
threatening to nuke Israel in order to make a point. The Iranian people
aren't stupid, they know that if the ayatollahs ever did that that Iran
would vaporize under nukes Made in USA, but they have no control over
their own government, so they can't do anything about it. The ayatollahs
aren't elected, the only elections allowed take place only with
ayatollah approved candidates and with ayatollah approved results, and
the Iranian Parliament chants "Death to America, death to Israel!" while
the people look on helplessly, realizing that the mullahs' lust for
power will kill them all.

The only thing they want of ours is our success. Everything else we have --
every other tangible or intangible thing, philosophy, tenet or belief --
they want *no-one* to have, enjoy or desire. All is according to the koran.
Nothing else matters.

They can't understand why Allah has not blessed them with success,
despite following every commandment of his in the Quran. They don't
understand why America has all the good fortune, and they don't. They
don't see that our success has been dependent on many interrelated
factors, plus some luck. They simply want success, they want wealth, but
on Allah's terms. They don't understand that Allah's terms haven't
produced fabulous success, that their own cultures haven't produced it,
all they know is that the West is magical and they're not. If they kill
us all, they think, the spells will fall into their lap, and they can
use them to magically produce success.

The only thing that can be done with that kind of mindset is to speed them
to martyrdom. There is no negotiating, bribery or appeasement that will be
accepted.

They're quite willing to become martyrs on their own. Problem is,
they'll take the rest of us with them. They view this jihad as lasting
centuries, meaning that they will always have willing martyrs, and all
they have to do is wait for the natural course of empire to happen, and
wait us out. Once the West rots away, they can take over and impose
their will. Like the Germanic barbarians, they want Rome's success
without Romans. And like the Germans, they'll find that success can't be
taken by force. But by then, they'll have destroyed the civilization
that brought success, and the world will be back in the dark ages. I
suppose that will make them happy, but it will be a pyrrhic victory,
since all they'll have acheived is destruction, not creation, of
success.

But, that's just based on my experiences. Your mileage may vary.

-=jd=-

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They lived in mud huts (most of them did) untill we drilled the oil
wells and installed the infrastructure for oil production over there.
cuhulin