On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:30:17 GMT, D Peter Maus
wrote:



Actually, that was Wesley Clark. He admitted to having made the
decision to let the Bin Ladens out of the country on his own
initiative. He made this admission publicly, and reiterated it
during the campaign.


But I'm sure he was listening to HF radio at the time. So, at
least, THANK GOD, he was on topic.


As for the Saudi Prince...he's publicly condemned the actions of
the Muslim extremists responsible for the beheadings of the innocent.


It was Richard Clarke, acting under direct orders.

The Prince's own government has the public beheadings.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/715000...ution96300.jpg

You really need to get out of the bubble. The air in there is stale
and bad for you.

David wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:30:17 GMT, D Peter Maus
wrote:



Actually, that was Wesley Clark. He admitted to having made the
decision to let the Bin Ladens out of the country on his own
initiative. He made this admission publicly, and reiterated it
during the campaign.


But I'm sure he was listening to HF radio at the time. So, at
least, THANK GOD, he was on topic.


As for the Saudi Prince...he's publicly condemned the actions of
the Muslim extremists responsible for the beheadings of the innocent.


It was Richard Clarke, acting under direct orders.

The Prince's own government has the public beheadings.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/715000...ution96300.jpg

You really need to get out of the bubble. The air in there is stale
and bad for you.

You need to get on out in the fresh air and tote it!

dxAce
Michigan
USA

On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:28:45 -0400, dxAce
wrote:


You need to get on out in the fresh air and tote it!

dxAce
Michigan
USA


Still sweating from a 45 minute tote in the hills. Thanks for caring!

David wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:30:17 GMT, D Peter Maus
wrote:



Actually, that was Wesley Clark. He admitted to having made the
decision to let the Bin Ladens out of the country on his own
initiative. He made this admission publicly, and reiterated it
during the campaign.


But I'm sure he was listening to HF radio at the time. So, at
least, THANK GOD, he was on topic.


As for the Saudi Prince...he's publicly condemned the actions of
the Muslim extremists responsible for the beheadings of the innocent.



It was Richard Clarke, acting under direct orders.



No, he was acting on his own initiative, by his own admission.
Publicly stating so. He personally vetted the family members requesting
to leave, and he personally authorized them to exit the country
according to protocols.




The Prince's own government has the public beheadings.


Public beheadings, as barbaric as they are, are part of the Saudi
culture, and part of the legal system. Just as we have executions, and
some quite barbaric here.

There have been conversations about from/to both sides.



You really need to get out of the bubble. The air in there is stale
and bad for you.


Thank you, it HAS been a long day.

On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:39:29 GMT, D Peter Maus
wrote:


No, he was acting on his own initiative, by his own admission.
Publicly stating so. He personally vetted the family members requesting
to leave, and he personally authorized them to exit the country
according to protocols.




The Prince's own government has the public beheadings.


Public beheadings, as barbaric as they are, are part of the Saudi
culture, and part of the legal system. Just as we have executions, and
some quite barbaric here.

There have been conversations about from/to both sides.



Former counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke has testified that he
approved these flights, stating that "it was a conscious decision with
complete review at the highest levels of the State Department and the
FBI and the White House." Testimony of Richard Clarke, Former
Counterterrorism Chief, National Security Council, before The Senate
Judiciary Committee, September 3, 2003.

David wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:39:29 GMT, D Peter Maus
wrote:



No, he was acting on his own initiative, by his own admission.
Publicly stating so. He personally vetted the family members requesting
to leave, and he personally authorized them to exit the country
according to protocols.




The Prince's own government has the public beheadings.


Public beheadings, as barbaric as they are, are part of the Saudi
culture, and part of the legal system. Just as we have executions, and
some quite barbaric here.

There have been conversations about from/to both sides.




Former counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke has testified that he
approved these flights, stating that "it was a conscious decision with
complete review at the highest levels of the State Department and the
FBI and the White House." Testimony of Richard Clarke, Former
Counterterrorism Chief, National Security Council, before The Senate
Judiciary Committee, September 3, 2003.




LOL! What's so interesting, is that you led off with a statement
that's so blatantly false, and when I rebut, you come back and admit you
had knowledge of the truth. So much so that you could correct my
mistakees and then underscore my point for me.

GOD, I love the internet.

"Review", is NOT taking orders as you had stated. "Review" only
underscores exactly what I said, that Clarke had taken the matter on his
own initiative, within the established protocols at the time. Thank you
for confirming that for me.

And that his initiative and his procedures were approved.

Approved. Not ordered. Big diffence. Especially when you're
determined to split hairs to make a false condemnation.


Thanks, David. You made my day.


p

D Peter Maus wrote:

David wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:39:29 GMT, D Peter Maus
wrote:



No, he was acting on his own initiative, by his own admission.
Publicly stating so. He personally vetted the family members requesting
to leave, and he personally authorized them to exit the country
according to protocols.




The Prince's own government has the public beheadings.


Public beheadings, as barbaric as they are, are part of the Saudi
culture, and part of the legal system. Just as we have executions, and
some quite barbaric here.

There have been conversations about from/to both sides.




Former counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke has testified that he
approved these flights, stating that "it was a conscious decision with
complete review at the highest levels of the State Department and the
FBI and the White House." Testimony of Richard Clarke, Former
Counterterrorism Chief, National Security Council, before The Senate
Judiciary Committee, September 3, 2003.



LOL! What's so interesting, is that you led off with a statement
that's so blatantly false, and when I rebut, you come back and admit you
had knowledge of the truth. So much so that you could correct my
mistakees and then underscore my point for me.

GOD, I love the internet.

"Review", is NOT taking orders as you had stated. "Review" only
underscores exactly what I said, that Clarke had taken the matter on his
own initiative, within the established protocols at the time. Thank you
for confirming that for me.

And that his initiative and his procedures were approved.

Approved. Not ordered. Big diffence. Especially when you're
determined to split hairs to make a false condemnation.

Thanks, David. You made my day.

Made mine also as I was sitting here wondering after he posted that if he
understood the English language at all.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

dxAce wrote:

D Peter Maus wrote:


David wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:39:29 GMT, D Peter Maus
wrote:




No, he was acting on his own initiative, by his own admission.
Publicly stating so. He personally vetted the family members requesting
to leave, and he personally authorized them to exit the country
according to protocols.





The Prince's own government has the public beheadings.


Public beheadings, as barbaric as they are, are part of the Saudi
culture, and part of the legal system. Just as we have executions, and
some quite barbaric here.

There have been conversations about from/to both sides.




Former counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke has testified that he
approved these flights, stating that "it was a conscious decision with
complete review at the highest levels of the State Department and the
FBI and the White House." Testimony of Richard Clarke, Former
Counterterrorism Chief, National Security Council, before The Senate
Judiciary Committee, September 3, 2003.



LOL! What's so interesting, is that you led off with a statement
that's so blatantly false, and when I rebut, you come back and admit you
had knowledge of the truth. So much so that you could correct my
mistakees and then underscore my point for me.

GOD, I love the internet.

"Review", is NOT taking orders as you had stated. "Review" only
underscores exactly what I said, that Clarke had taken the matter on his
own initiative, within the established protocols at the time. Thank you
for confirming that for me.

And that his initiative and his procedures were approved.

Approved. Not ordered. Big diffence. Especially when you're
determined to split hairs to make a false condemnation.

Thanks, David. You made my day.


Made mine also as I was sitting here wondering after he posted that if he
understood the English language at all.

dxAce
Michigan
USA





Good point. Seems to be a lot of that going around these days.

On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:10:28 GMT, D Peter Maus
wrote:

Huh!?

You said it was General Wes Clarke.

The point you neatly turned away from is that these people were
allowed to flee without being put in the hot seat.

David wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:10:28 GMT, D Peter Maus
wrote:

Huh!?

You said it was General Wes Clarke.



Yes, I did, and you corrected that. That was part of my point.




The point you neatly turned away from is that these people were
allowed to flee without being put in the hot seat.



No, in fact, I addressed that at the outset. I said, for those who
haven't been paying attention, that they had been fully vetted,
personally so, by Mr Clarke, within the established protocols. Which you
confirmed and underscored. Thank you.

The point that's never addressed in this matter, one that YOU
conveniently turn away from, is that the bin Ladens have openly and
sharply condemned Slammin' Sammy over the years, for his politics, the
corruption of his religion, and his activities. They had put as much
distance between themselves Osama as they could. They were not here in
secrecy. They were not here subversively. They were here openly and
legally, in peace. Even after Slammin' Sammy's previous attacks on US
property and citizenry, including the US Embassy's, the nightclub in
Germany, the Cole and the first Trade Center attack. Once vetted by the
Federal Authorities, there was little to keep them here, especially in
light of the white heat directed toward Muslims of Middle Eastern
descent at the time.

If there had been the slightest suspicion about the bin Ladens, they
wouldn't have been let on the plane.

So, no, I didn't turn away from that fact. It was part of my original
statement. But since you require...I hope spelling it out for you has
now made my position clear.

And thanks, again, for your help in making my point. That kind of
civility and assistance is rare in USENet dealings.


p