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David July 23rd 05 02:42 PM

11 separate acts of treason committed by the White House
 
The Disclosures of Valerie Wilson's Identity

1. The Disclosure by Karl Rove to Columnist Robert Novak
In a column dated July 14, 2003, Robert Novak first reported that
Valerie Plame Wilson was "an agency operative on weapons of mass
destruction."1 Mr. Novak cited "two senior administration officials"
as his sources.2 According to multiple news reports, one of these two
sources was Karl Rove, the Deputy White House Chief of Staff and the
President's top political advisor.3 During a phone call on July 8,
2003, Mr. Rove confirmed for Mr. Novak that Ms. Wilson worked at the
CIA. During this conversation, Mr. Novak referred to Ms. Wilson "by
her maiden name, Valerie Plame," and said he had heard she was
involved in "the circumstances in which her husband … traveled to
Africa."4 Mr. Rove responded, "I heard that, too."5 Mr. Novak's name
also appeared "on a White House call log as having telephoned Mr. Rove
in the week before the publication of the July 2003 column."6

2. The Disclosure by a "Senior Administration Official" to Columnist
Robert Novak
In addition to his communications with Mr. Rove, Mr. Novak learned
about Ms. Wilson's identity through communications with a second
"senior administration official."7 Mr. Novak's second source has not
yet been publicly identified. Mr. Novak has stated, however, that the
source provided him with Ms. Wilson's identity. As he stated: "I
didn't dig it out, it was given to me."8 He added: "They thought it
was significant, they gave me the name and I used it."9

3. The Disclosure by Karl Rove to TIME Reporter Matt Cooper
During a phone call on July 11, 2003, Mr. Rove revealed to TIME
reporter Matt Cooper that Ms. Wilson worked at the CIA on weapons of
mass destruction.10 Mr. Cooper reported that this "was the first time
I had heard anything about Wilson's wife."11 Mr. Rove provided this
information on "deep background," said that "things would be
declassified soon," and stated, "I've already said too much."12

4. The Disclosure by Scooter Libby to TIME Reporter Matt Cooper
During a phone call on July 12, 2003, TIME reporter Matt Cooper asked
the Vice President's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby "if he
had heard anything about Wilson's wife sending her husband to Niger."
13 Mr. Libby replied, "Yeah, I've heard that too," or words to that
effect.14 Mr. Libby provided this information "on background."15

5. The Disclosure by an "Administration Official" to Washington Post
Reporter Walter Pincus
On July 12, 2003, an "administration official" told Washington Post
reporter Walter Pincus that "Wilson's trip to Niger was set up as a
boondoggle by his CIA-employed wife."16 Mr. Pincus has not publicly
identified his source, but has stated that it "was not Libby."17

6. The Disclosure by a "Top White House Official" to an Unidentified
Reporter
In addition making disclosures to Mr. Novak, Mr. Cooper, and Mr.
Pincus, White House officials may have had conversations about Ms.
Wilson with three other reporters about Ms. Wilson's identity.
According to the Washington Post, a "senior administration official"
confirmed that "before Novak's column ran on July 14, 2003, two top
White House officials called at least six Washington journalists and
disclosed the identity and occupation of Wilson's wife."18 According
to this official, "Clearly, it was meant purely and simply for
revenge."19 Press reports suggest that one of these unidentified
reporters may be NBC correspondent Andrea Mitchell.20

7. The Disclosure by a "Top White House Official" to an Unidentified
Reporter
In addition making disclosures to Mr. Novak, Mr. Cooper, and Mr.
Pincus, White House officials may have had conversations about Ms.
Wilson with three other reporters about Ms. Wilson's identity.
According to the Washington Post, a "senior administration official"
confirmed that "before Novak's column ran on July 14, 2003, two top
White House officials called at least six Washington journalists and
disclosed the identity and occupation of Wilson's wife."21 According
to this official, "Clearly, it was meant purely and simply for
revenge."22 Press reports suggest that one of these unidentified
reporters may be NBC Meet the Press host Tim Russert.23

8. The Disclosure by a "Top White House Official" to an Unidentified
Reporter
In addition making disclosures to Mr. Novak, Mr. Cooper, and Mr.
Pincus, White House officials may have had conversations about Ms.
Wilson with three other reporters about Ms. Wilson's identity.
According to the Washington Post, a "senior administration official"
confirmed that "before Novak's column ran on July 14, 2003, two top
White House officials called at least six Washington journalists and
disclosed the identity and occupation of Wilson's wife."24 According
to this official, "Clearly, it was meant purely and simply for
revenge."25 Press reports suggest that one of these unidentified
reporters may be MSNBC Hardball host Chris Matthews.26

9. The Disclosure by an Unidentified Source to Wall Street Journal
Reporter David Cloud
On October 17, 2003, Wall Street Journal reporter David Cloud reported
that an internal State Department memo prepared by U.S. intelligence
personnel "details a meeting in early 2002 where CIA officer Valerie
Plame and other intelligence officials gathered to brainstorm about
how to verify reports that Iraq had sought uranium yellowcake from
Niger."27 This "classified" document had "limited circulation,"
according to "two people familiar with the memo."28

10. The Disclosure by an Unidentified Source to James Guckert of Talon
News
On October 28, 2003, Talon News posted on its website an interview
with Ambassador Joseph Wilson in which the questioner asked: "An
internal government memo prepared by U.S. intelligence personnel
details a meeting in early 2002 where your wife, a member of the
agency or clandestine service working on Iraqi weapons issues,
suggested that you could be sent to investigate the reports. Do you
dispute that?"29 Talon News is tied to a group called GOP USA30 and is
operated by Texas Republican Robert Eberle.31 Its only reporter, James
Guckert (also known as Jeff Gannon), resigned when it was revealed
that he gained access to the White House using a false name after his
press credentials were rejected by House and Senate press galleries.32
In a March 2004 interview with his own news service, Mr. Guckert
stated that the classified document was "easily accessible."33 In a
February 11, 2005, interview with Wolf Blitzer of CNN, Mr. Guckert
said the FBI interviewed him about "how I knew or received a copy of a
confidential CIA memo," but he refused to answer FBI questions because
of his status as a "journalist."34 A week later, Mr. Guckert changed
his account, claiming he "was given no special information by the
White House or by anybody else."35

11. The Disclosure by a "Senior Administration Official" to Washington
Post Reporters Mike Allen and Dana Milbank
On December 26, 2003, Washington Post reporters Mike Allen and Dana
Milbank reported on details about the classified State Department
memo, writing that it was authored by "a State Department official who
works for its Bureau of Intelligence and Research."36 The Post story
was attributed to "a senior administration official who has seen" the
memo.37 The Post also reported that the CIA was "angry about the
circulation of a still-classified document to conservative news
outlets" and that the CIA "believes that people in the administration
continue to release classified information to damage the figures at
the center of the controversy, former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV
and his wife, Valerie Plame."38


NOTES
1 Robert Novak, The Mission to Niger, Chicago Sun-Times (July 14,
2003).
2 Id.
3 Rove Reportedly Held Phone Talk on CIA Officer, New York Times (July
15, 2005). See also Rove Confirmed Plame Indirectly, Lawyer Says,
Washington Post (July 15, 2005).
4 Id.
5 Id.
6 Rove Confirmed Plame Indirectly, Lawyer Says, Washington Post (July
15, 2005).
7 Robert Novak, The Mission to Niger, Chicago Sun-Times (July 14,
2003).
8 Columnist Blows CIA Agent's Cover, Newsday (July 22, 2003).
9 Id.
10 Matt Cooper, What I Told the Grand Jury, TIME (July 25, 2005).
11 Id.
12 Id.
13 Id.
14 Id.
15 Id.
16 The When and How of Leak Being Probed, Washington Post (Nov. 26,
2004).
17 Id.
18 Bush Administration Is Focus of Inquiry; CIA Agent's Identity Was
Leaked to Media, Washington Post (Sept. 28, 2003).
19 Id.
20 Secrets and Leaks, Newsweek (Oct. 13, 2003) (stating that she
"heard in the White House that people were touting the Novak column
and that that was the real story").
21 Bush Administration Is Focus of Inquiry; CIA Agent's Identity Was
Leaked to Media, Washington Post (Sept. 28, 2003).
22 Id.
23 Reporter Held in Contempt in CIA Leak Case, Washington Post (Aug.
10, 2004) (describing a July 2003 telephone conversation between Mr.
Russert and Mr. Libby).
24 Bush Administration Is Focus of Inquiry; CIA Agent's Identity Was
Leaked to Media, Washington Post (Sept. 28, 2003).
25 Id.
26 Secrets and Leaks, Newsweek (Oct. 13, 2003) (reportedly stating to
Mr. Wilson, "I just got off the phone with Karl Rove, who said your
wife was fair game").
27 Memo May Aid Leak Probe, Wall Street Journal (Oct. 17, 2003).
28 Id.
29 Leaks Probe Is Gathering Momentum, Washington Post (Dec. 26, 2003).
See also Senate Intel Report Discredits Wilson's Claims About Iraq,
Niger, Talon News (July 13, 2004) (confirming that Talon reported on
the memo in October 2003).
30 Leaks Probe Is Gathering Momentum, Washington Post (Dec. 26, 2003).
31 Democrats Want Investigation of Reporter Using Fake Name, New York
Times (Feb. 11, 2005).
32 Id.
33 Id.
34 Rumsfeld Visits Iraq, CNN (Feb. 11, 2005).
35 Anderson Cooper 360, CNN (Feb. 18, 2005). See also Web Site Owner
Says He Knew of Reporter's 2 Identities, New York Times (Feb. 20,
2005) (claiming that referring to the memo as though he had it was
"merely an interview technique").
36 Leaks Probe Is Gathering Momentum, Washington Post (Dec. 26, 2003).
37 Id.
38 Id.





dxAce July 23rd 05 02:51 PM



David wrote:

[crap snipped yet again]

Give it up 'tard... it ain't gonna fly.

Continue to tote.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


John Smith July 23rd 05 03:11 PM

dx-tard:

Have you noticed, your posts are repetitious and repetitive?

I think you are repeating the same ten words, but rearranging them in
different orders to confuse the unwary.

Check it out, others may have noticed it too.

Suggest you just chuck in a new word now and then, might keep 'em
confused a little bit longer...

John

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David wrote:

[crap snipped yet again]

Give it up 'tard... it ain't gonna fly.

Continue to tote.

dxAce
Michigan
USA




dxAce July 23rd 05 03:15 PM



John Smith wrote:

[drivel snipped]

Go play with your CB, 'tard boy.

LMAO at the totally clueless 'tard.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm


John Smith July 23rd 05 03:22 PM

dx-bozo:

I only hang in the chicken band and with the freebanders because they
don't have licenses yet.

Soon as CW drops I'll introduce you to my buddies, you on 20M?

What freq? 10-4 Good Buddy?
Roger-Beep-and-a-grin
AUDDDDDDDIIIIIIIIOOOOOOO!!!!!!

John

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


John Smith wrote:

[drivel snipped]

Go play with your CB, 'tard boy.

LMAO at the totally clueless 'tard.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm




John Smith July 23rd 05 03:41 PM

-=jd=-:

Above and beyond the call of duty, he has demonstrated, with
conclusive proof, he is, indeed, a dx-tard.

Only a truly retarded American could have preformed such postings
without flinching and with such a total disregard for his image and
those who would question his sanity.

I will attest in the affirmative to the question you pose... he is
indeed the finest 'Tard I have ever met...

John

"-=jd=-" wrote in message
. 20...
On Sat 23 Jul 2005 09:42:13a, David wrote in
message
:

The Disclosures of Valerie Wilson's Identity

{snippage}


For the most part reads as the media naming names and claiming that,
when an
administration offical admits hearing a similar rumor, that
admission equates
to confirmation. Well, heck! I have heard from a top R.R.S. official
that
rickets is a 'tard. Has anyone else heard that rumor as well? If I
can find
one other person that has heard that same rumor, then by
journalistic
standards, it is a full and unequivocable confirmation.


-=jd=-
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(Remove YOUR HAT to reply directly)




John Smith July 23rd 05 03:50 PM

Hmmm, I was actually pointing at the dx-toid... however, I think the
french pronunciation is "dx-turd"

John

"-=jd=-" wrote in message
. 20...
Stop the presses!! rickets confirmed as 'tard!

-=jd=-


On Sat 23 Jul 2005 10:41:14a, "John Smith"
wrote
in message :

-=jd=-:

Above and beyond the call of duty, he has demonstrated, with
conclusive proof, he is, indeed, a dx-tard.

Only a truly retarded American could have preformed such postings
without flinching and with such a total disregard for his image and
those who would question his sanity.

I will attest in the affirmative to the question you pose... he is
indeed the finest 'Tard I have ever met...

John

"-=jd=-" wrote in message
. 20...
On Sat 23 Jul 2005 09:42:13a, David wrote in
message
:

The Disclosures of Valerie Wilson's Identity

{snippage}

For the most part reads as the media naming names and claiming
that,
when an
administration offical admits hearing a similar rumor, that
admission equates
to confirmation. Well, heck! I have heard from a top R.R.S.
official
that
rickets is a 'tard. Has anyone else heard that rumor as well? If I
can find
one other person that has heard that same rumor, then by
journalistic
standards, it is a full and unequivocable confirmation.


-=jd=-
--
My Current Disposable Email:

(Remove YOUR HAT to reply directly)




David July 23rd 05 03:52 PM

On 23 Jul 2005 15:35:43 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:


Stop the presses!! rickets confirmed as 'tard!

-=jd=-

Laugh as you will. These people have committed an unprecedented act
of wreckless disregard for an ongoing intelligence operation,
endangering national security and putting dozens of human assetts in
danger.

While you ignore this, and choose to instead engage in juvenile name
calling, we are all put in deeper peril by those we entrusted to make
things better.


dxAce July 23rd 05 03:52 PM



John Smith wrote:

dx-bozo:

I only hang in the chicken band and with the freebanders because they
don't have licenses yet.

Soon as CW drops I'll introduce you to my buddies, you on 20M?


And your call is?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



David July 23rd 05 03:52 PM

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 07:11:44 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:


dx-tard:

Have you noticed, your posts are repetitious and repetitive?

I think you are repeating the same ten words, but rearranging them in
different orders to confuse the unwary.

Check it out, others may have noticed it too.

Suggest you just chuck in a new word now and then, might keep 'em
confused a little bit longer...

John

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David wrote:

[crap snipped yet again]

Give it up 'tard... it ain't gonna fly.

Continue to tote.

dxAce
Michigan
USA






dxAce July 23rd 05 03:54 PM



David wrote:

On 23 Jul 2005 15:35:43 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:


Stop the presses!! rickets confirmed as 'tard!

-=jd=-

Laugh as you will. These people have committed an unprecedented act
of wreckless disregard for an ongoing intelligence operation,
endangering national security and putting dozens of human assetts in
danger.

While you ignore this, and choose to instead engage in juvenile name
calling, we are all put in deeper peril by those we entrusted to make
things better.


What law did Rove break?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



John Smith July 23rd 05 04:04 PM

dx-dreamer:

Oh yeah, what was I thinking!???

I can give ya my call, it won't disclose my anonymity or adopted pen
name of "John Smith."

UR2DMB == good call, don't ya think? grin

ROFLOL!!!!

John
"dxAce" wrote in message
...


John Smith wrote:

dx-bozo:

I only hang in the chicken band and with the freebanders because
they
don't have licenses yet.

Soon as CW drops I'll introduce you to my buddies, you on 20M?


And your call is?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm





John Smith July 23rd 05 04:09 PM

son:

I support their actions in the middle east, for that matter, any
corner of the globe--if such actions final outcome are the defeat of
radical muslims...

Just way too early to properly critique such at this time. Rummy has
just asked for another dozen or so years to give such actions and
policies a proper trial, I think we should give him the time.

John

"David" wrote in message
...
On 23 Jul 2005 15:35:43 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:


Stop the presses!! rickets confirmed as 'tard!

-=jd=-

Laugh as you will. These people have committed an unprecedented act
of wreckless disregard for an ongoing intelligence operation,
endangering national security and putting dozens of human assetts in
danger.

While you ignore this, and choose to instead engage in juvenile name
calling, we are all put in deeper peril by those we entrusted to
make
things better.




dxAce July 23rd 05 04:10 PM



John Smith wrote:

dx-dreamer:

Oh yeah, what was I thinking!???


You weren't, that's your whole problem 'tard.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



Carter-K8VT July 23rd 05 04:15 PM

dxAce wrote:


What law did Rove break?

Holy Cow!

Stop the presses!

The dx (self-appointed) "ace" actually responded without name calling!

Credit where it's due...

To address your adult question, the grand jury is currently trying to
determine what law, if any, was broken. However, in the meanwhile, can
you say "ethics" (or rather lack thereof)?

73,
Carter K8VT


dxAce July 23rd 05 04:26 PM



Carter-K8VT wrote:

dxAce wrote:


What law did Rove break?

Holy Cow!

Stop the presses!

The dx (self-appointed) "ace" actually responded without name calling!

Credit where it's due...

To address your adult question, the grand jury is currently trying to
determine what law, if any, was broken. However, in the meanwhile, can
you say "ethics" (or rather lack thereof)?


So in other words Rove broke no law, correct?

Keep trying, 'tard.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm




David July 23rd 05 05:19 PM

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:54:11 -0400, dxAce
wrote:



David wrote:

On 23 Jul 2005 15:35:43 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:


Stop the presses!! rickets confirmed as 'tard!

-=jd=-

Laugh as you will. These people have committed an unprecedented act
of wreckless disregard for an ongoing intelligence operation,
endangering national security and putting dozens of human assetts in
danger.

While you ignore this, and choose to instead engage in juvenile name
calling, we are all put in deeper peril by those we entrusted to make
things better.


What law did Rove break?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm


The one that says to not blow it.


David July 23rd 05 05:21 PM

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:26:45 -0400, dxAce
wrote:



Carter-K8VT wrote:

dxAce wrote:


What law did Rove break?

Holy Cow!

Stop the presses!

The dx (self-appointed) "ace" actually responded without name calling!

Credit where it's due...

To address your adult question, the grand jury is currently trying to
determine what law, if any, was broken. However, in the meanwhile, can
you say "ethics" (or rather lack thereof)?


So in other words Rove broke no law, correct?

Keep trying, 'tard.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



Thus far, lying to the Feds, obstruction of justice, probably
violating his Form 312 pledge.


dxAce July 23rd 05 05:22 PM



David wrote:

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:54:11 -0400, dxAce
wrote:



David wrote:

On 23 Jul 2005 15:35:43 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:


Stop the presses!! rickets confirmed as 'tard!

-=jd=-

Laugh as you will. These people have committed an unprecedented act
of wreckless disregard for an ongoing intelligence operation,
endangering national security and putting dozens of human assetts in
danger.

While you ignore this, and choose to instead engage in juvenile name
calling, we are all put in deeper peril by those we entrusted to make
things better.


What law did Rove break?


The one that says to not blow it.


If that's the case then you yourself should have been in jail long ago, 'tard
boy.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



David July 23rd 05 05:23 PM

On 23 Jul 2005 16:56:07 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:



While you ignore this, and choose to instead engage in juvenile name
calling, we are all put in deeper peril by those we entrusted to make
things better.


"Those we entrusted to make things better" are well on their way to doing
so *in spite* of your continued parroting of unsubtantiated, plagiarized,
blog-drippings or any messsage posted on usenet. And brace yourself -- We
*will* continue to laugh at your expense. You prompt us to do so.


-=jd=-

By exposing vital secret operations for political revenge?


dxAce July 23rd 05 05:24 PM



David wrote:

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:26:45 -0400, dxAce
wrote:



Carter-K8VT wrote:

dxAce wrote:


What law did Rove break?

Holy Cow!

Stop the presses!

The dx (self-appointed) "ace" actually responded without name calling!

Credit where it's due...

To address your adult question, the grand jury is currently trying to
determine what law, if any, was broken. However, in the meanwhile, can
you say "ethics" (or rather lack thereof)?


So in other words Rove broke no law, correct?

Keep trying, 'tard.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



Thus far, lying to the Feds, obstruction of justice, probably
violating his Form 312 pledge.


Damn... he's beginning to sound more and more like Kerry with each passing day!

Now there's a boy who belongs in jail, right along with his pal Teddy.

LMAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



SeeingEyeDog July 23rd 05 05:27 PM


"David" wrote in message
...
The Disclosures of Valerie Wilson's Identity


Who wrote this fine leftist propaganda piece Komrade David?

http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publis...le_23080.shtml

Rep. Henry A. Waxman - CaliPornia DemoCommunist

Henry A. Waxman represents California's 30th Congressional District, which
includes the complete cities of Santa Monica, Beverly Hills, Agoura Hills,
Calabasas, Hidden Hills, Malibu, Westlake Village and West Hollywood, as
well as such areas of Los Angeles as Beverly-Fairfax, Pacific Palisades,
Brentwood, Beverlywood, Topanga, Agoura, Chatsworth and Westwood.

The HollyWood Communist Actors Guild has kept him in office since the
Anti-War movement in the 70's.

The Communist organization "Democracy Now" loves Henry Waxman.
http://www.discoverthenetwork.com/gr...asp?grpid=6891

Henry Waxman subjects himself to an interveiw with Red diaper baby Amy
Goodman, Co-creator of Democracy Now
http://www.discoverthenetwork.com/in...asp?indid=1692

http://www.democracynow.org/article..../07/12/1411222

Please notice that the DemoCommunists [Communists undercover] continue to
disregard prudent security interests of the United States in order to
further their Leftist/Progressive/Socialist/Communists political agenda's.

His voting record is interesting:

Jul 14, 2005 - House Vote
H.R. 3100: East Asia Security Act of 2005
Official Title: To authorize measures to deter arms transfers by foreign
countries to the People's Republic of China.

Vote Rep. Henry Waxman [D-CA]: Nay

Jun 22, 2005 - House Vote
H.J.Res. 10: Flag Desecration resolution

Vote Rep. Henry Waxman [D-CA]: Nay




John Smith July 23rd 05 05:30 PM

-=jd=-:

At this point, I always lose the conversation.

My gov't (public servants, from bush on down--my employees really)
have no "rights", other than the simple rights equal to those held by
other citizens.

In any test, where a balance between "ethics" and the "peoples' right
to know" is in question, it always will tip in favor of the people.

While "being secure in ones' person" is a valid entitlement, our
servants have no expanded or other "rights." Indeed, if they ever
behave in any manner which is not beneficial to citizens as a whole,
their immediate removal and possible confinement comes into question.

While this "controversy" wages, if there is any question,
what-so-ever, that this is merely a ruse to hold the public enthralled
in disinformation or mechanizations and/or manipulations, those
individuals need to immediately be brought before a court and their
actions and intentions examined closely--or, such examined by our
representatives in congress--if appropriate...

John

"-=jd=-" wrote in message
. 20...
On Sat 23 Jul 2005 10:52:06a, David wrote in
message
:

On 23 Jul 2005 15:35:43 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:


Stop the presses!! rickets confirmed as 'tard!

-=jd=-

Laugh as you will. These people have committed an unprecedented
act
of wreckless disregard for an ongoing intelligence operation,
endangering national security and putting dozens of human assetts
in
danger.



If by "These people", you mean the journalists involved who
mentioned Plame
by name, then you may be on to something. If by "These people" you
mean the
interviewee's who merely admitted to having heard a similar rumor,
then you
are confused.



While you ignore this, and choose to instead engage in juvenile
name
calling, we are all put in deeper peril by those we entrusted to
make
things better.


"Those we entrusted to make things better" are well on their way to
doing
so *in spite* of your continued parroting of unsubtantiated,
plagiarized,
blog-drippings or any messsage posted on usenet. And brace
yourself -- We
*will* continue to laugh at your expense. You prompt us to do so.


-=jd=-
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My Current Disposable Email:

(Remove YOUR HAT to reply directly)




David July 23rd 05 06:14 PM

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:30:59 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:


-=jd=-:

At this point, I always lose the conversation.

My gov't (public servants, from bush on down--my employees really)
have no "rights", other than the simple rights equal to those held by
other citizens.

In any test, where a balance between "ethics" and the "peoples' right
to know" is in question, it always will tip in favor of the people.

While "being secure in ones' person" is a valid entitlement, our
servants have no expanded or other "rights." Indeed, if they ever
behave in any manner which is not beneficial to citizens as a whole,
their immediate removal and possible confinement comes into question.

While this "controversy" wages, if there is any question,
what-so-ever, that this is merely a ruse to hold the public enthralled
in disinformation or mechanizations and/or manipulations, those
individuals need to immediately be brought before a court and their
actions and intentions examined closely--or, such examined by our
representatives in congress--if appropriate...

John

Since these people work in the Executive branch, the head of that
branch is responsible. If someone is dragging his feet it is that
person.


dxAce July 23rd 05 06:18 PM



David wrote:

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:30:59 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:


-=jd=-:

At this point, I always lose the conversation.

My gov't (public servants, from bush on down--my employees really)
have no "rights", other than the simple rights equal to those held by
other citizens.

In any test, where a balance between "ethics" and the "peoples' right
to know" is in question, it always will tip in favor of the people.

While "being secure in ones' person" is a valid entitlement, our
servants have no expanded or other "rights." Indeed, if they ever
behave in any manner which is not beneficial to citizens as a whole,
their immediate removal and possible confinement comes into question.

While this "controversy" wages, if there is any question,
what-so-ever, that this is merely a ruse to hold the public enthralled
in disinformation or mechanizations and/or manipulations, those
individuals need to immediately be brought before a court and their
actions and intentions examined closely--or, such examined by our
representatives in congress--if appropriate...

John

Since these people work in the Executive branch, the head of that
branch is responsible. If someone is dragging his feet it is that
person.


I knew it! It's all Bush's fault, isn't it, 'tard boy?

LMAO at the left-wing whack job!

dxAce
Michigan
USA

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



David July 23rd 05 06:28 PM

On 23 Jul 2005 18:08:03 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:


I’m not sure how “vital” and “secret” a desk-job would be; nor am I certain
that Rove admitting he heard a similar rumor equates to “political
revenge”. But you keep slinging stuff at the wall and perhaps one day you
may accidentally get something to stick. Until then, your parroting and
plagiarizing of (so far) unsubstantiated, wishful-thinking, “drama-queen”
theatrics will only get you gales of derisive laughter! It is fun watching
you attempt to spin clear facts into they are not.

-=jd=-

You are showing your ignorance. Why did the CIA refer charges to the
DOJ if no harm was done?


dxAce July 23rd 05 07:07 PM



-=jd=- wrote:

On Sat 23 Jul 2005 12:30:59p, "John Smith" wrote
in message :

-=jd=-:

At this point, I always lose the conversation.

My gov't (public servants, from bush on down--my employees really)
have no "rights", other than the simple rights equal to those held by
other citizens.


As a general rule, that is the status quo. I do not know of anyone who
disputes that. Except, based on their behavior, it might be presumed that
the media feels they should be able to violate most any other “right” in
their pursuit of the “freedom of the press”.

In any test, where a balance between "ethics" and the "peoples' right
to know" is in question, it always will tip in favor of the people.

While "being secure in ones' person" is a valid entitlement, our
servants have no expanded or other "rights." Indeed, if they ever
behave in any manner which is not beneficial to citizens as a whole,
their immediate removal and possible confinement comes into question.


Nor should they be held to a higher degree than those who would judge them.
Rove admitting to “hearing a similar rumor as Novak” does not, in my humble
opinion, equal any cause for immediate removal and/or confinement.

While this "controversy" wages, if there is any question,
what-so-ever, that this is merely a ruse to hold the public enthralled
in disinformation or mechanizations and/or manipulations, those
individuals need to immediately be brought before a court and their
actions and intentions examined closely--or, such examined by our
representatives in congress--if appropriate...


Then target the journalists/media. So far, (it may yet change) this looks
to be something they have cooked-up and are perpetuating. The media brought
up Plame first. As far as I have seen reported, Rove merely said “I’ve
heard that same rumor too”. Then the media (and the Rove-haters) equated
that to “confirmation”. Any other reasonable and prudent person would agree
that all Rove is guilty of is admitting to hearing the same rumor. Based on
that evidence alone, anyone who equates that to confirmation is being
patently unreasonable and imprudent.


Being patently unreasonable and imprudent is the hallmark of the left-wingers!

dxAce
Michigan
USA

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



dxAce July 23rd 05 07:44 PM



-=jd=- wrote:

On Sat 23 Jul 2005 01:28:00p, David wrote in message
:

On 23 Jul 2005 18:08:03 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:


I’m not sure how “vital” and “secret” a desk-job would be; nor am I
certain that Rove admitting he heard a similar rumor equates to
“political revenge”. But you keep slinging stuff at the wall and perhaps
one day you may accidentally get something to stick. Until then, your
parroting and plagiarizing of (so far) unsubstantiated,
wishful-thinking, “drama-queen” theatrics will only get you gales of
derisive laughter! It is fun watching you attempt to spin clear facts
into they are not.

-=jd=-

You are showing your ignorance. Why did the CIA refer charges to the
DOJ if no harm was done?


Ha! Aren’t you the optimistic one to claim ignorance on anyone else’s
behalf! As far as I am aware, they (CIA) did not “refer charges” (You’re
probably a cop-show fan, judging by your lingo). It is my understanding
that they requested an investigation into the matter. No more, no less.
After that request was made, the agency is “hands-off”. The results of the
DOJ’s investigation will determine if federal law was violated and/or if
the agency needs to tighten up it’s policies & procedures, or patch a loop-
hole, or if nothing afoul of the law took place at all. Let me go ahead and
make a prediction on *your* reaction, regardless of the outcome:

If the DOJ finds no federal law violated, no impropriety -OR- finds the
media at fault for the ruckus, you will scream that the investigation was
rigged and was actually a massive conspiracy led by Bush to prevent Bush
(himself) from being impeached, indicted, tarred, feathered, whatever.

However, if the DOJ investigation finds federal law *was* violated and an
indictment is sought against some Bush administration staffer, you will
scream that the investigation was rigged and was actually a massive
conspiracy led by Bush to prevent Bush (himself) from being impeached,
indicted, tarred, feathered, whatever.


The left-wingers pride themselves on being un-happy no matter what happens.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



David July 23rd 05 07:49 PM

On 23 Jul 2005 19:28:34 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:



Ha! Aren’t you the optimistic one to claim ignorance on anyone else’s
behalf! As far as I am aware, they (CIA) did not “refer charges” (You’re
probably a cop-show fan, judging by your lingo). It is my understanding
that they requested an investigation into the matter. No more, no less.
After that request was made, the agency is “hands-off”. The results of the
DOJ’s investigation will determine if federal law was violated and/or if
the agency needs to tighten up it’s policies & procedures, or patch a loop-
hole, or if nothing afoul of the law took place at all. Let me go ahead and
make a prediction on *your* reaction, regardless of the outcome:

If the DOJ finds no federal law violated, no impropriety -OR- finds the
media at fault for the ruckus, you will scream that the investigation was
rigged and was actually a massive conspiracy led by Bush to prevent Bush
(himself) from being impeached, indicted, tarred, feathered, whatever.

However, if the DOJ investigation finds federal law *was* violated and an
indictment is sought against some Bush administration staffer, you will
scream that the investigation was rigged and was actually a massive
conspiracy led by Bush to prevent Bush (himself) from being impeached,
indicted, tarred, feathered, whatever.

You are too predictable...

-=jd=-

There should be aCIA report outlining the damages caused by the
revelation. Since that report has not been ''leaked'' one must assume
that it makes the WH look worse than they already do.


dxAce July 23rd 05 07:51 PM



David wrote:

On 23 Jul 2005 19:28:34 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:



Ha! Aren’t you the optimistic one to claim ignorance on anyone else’s
behalf! As far as I am aware, they (CIA) did not “refer charges” (You’re
probably a cop-show fan, judging by your lingo). It is my understanding
that they requested an investigation into the matter. No more, no less.
After that request was made, the agency is “hands-off”. The results of the
DOJ’s investigation will determine if federal law was violated and/or if
the agency needs to tighten up it’s policies & procedures, or patch a loop-
hole, or if nothing afoul of the law took place at all. Let me go ahead and
make a prediction on *your* reaction, regardless of the outcome:

If the DOJ finds no federal law violated, no impropriety -OR- finds the
media at fault for the ruckus, you will scream that the investigation was
rigged and was actually a massive conspiracy led by Bush to prevent Bush
(himself) from being impeached, indicted, tarred, feathered, whatever.

However, if the DOJ investigation finds federal law *was* violated and an
indictment is sought against some Bush administration staffer, you will
scream that the investigation was rigged and was actually a massive
conspiracy led by Bush to prevent Bush (himself) from being impeached,
indicted, tarred, feathered, whatever.

You are too predictable...

-=jd=-

There should be aCIA report outlining the damages caused by the
revelation. Since that report has not been ''leaked'' one must assume
that it makes the WH look worse than they already do.


LMAO... you sure do make a lot of assumptions, 'tard boy!

dxAce
Michigan
USA

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



David July 23rd 05 07:52 PM

On 23 Jul 2005 18:54:42 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

Then target the journalists/media. So far, (it may yet change) this looks
to be something they have cooked-up and are perpetuating. The media brought
up Plame first. As far as I have seen reported, Rove merely said “I’ve
heard that same rumor too”. Then the media (and the Rove-haters) equated
that to “confirmation”. Any other reasonable and prudent person would agree
that all Rove is guilty of is admitting to hearing the same rumor. Based on
that evidence alone, anyone who equates that to confirmation is being
patently unreasonable and imprudent.

-=jd=-

Your timeline is flawed. The White House requested info about the
Wilsons on 7 July 2003. Rove ''leaked'' to Novak on 8 July 2003.

Where and when did anyone in the media report that Mrs. Wilson was a
CIA UC prior to Novak's piece?


David July 23rd 05 09:12 PM


For just *one* source, see the 230+ line message:
Subject: Joseph Wilson's Amazing Left-Wing Dreamland
Posted by:"SeeingEyeDog"
Citation: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=18868

Partial quote:
“...However, Plame's identity was, in the words of Robert Novak, "not much of a
secret." Cliff May states he was told of Plame's work - as a desk jockey at Langley, to
which job she drove everyday - in a blas‚ manner, as though all Washington insiders
knew of it. Perhaps they did; Plame acknowledges she "outed" herself to Joseph Wilson
at roughly the time of their first kiss. Given the current dating-and-mating habits of
Beltways divorcees, she's likely kissed others, perhaps using her CIA job as foreplay
at each rendezvous. As noted above, she also exposed her Agency
name and cover job on her political donation to Al Gore in 2000. In fact,
other national media outlets had named her as an agent before Karl Rove's
disclosure to Novak. Further, the CIA did nothing to prevent Robert Novak
from printing her name in his syndicated column, indicating they did not
consider the exposure vital - perhaps grudging recognition of the fact that
this genie had long been out of the bottle....”


-=jd=-

So why did Rove and Libby lie to the investigators? Why did they make
poor Scotty McLellan lie for them to the press?


an old friend July 23rd 05 10:03 PM



David wrote:
On 23 Jul 2005 18:08:03 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:


I'm not sure how "vital" and "secret" a desk-job would be; nor am I certain
that Rove admitting he heard a similar rumor equates to "political
revenge". But you keep slinging stuff at the wall and perhaps one day you
may accidentally get something to stick. Until then, your parroting and
plagiarizing of (so far) unsubstantiated, wishful-thinking, "drama-queen"
theatrics will only get you gales of derisive laughter! It is fun watching
you attempt to spin clear facts into they are not.

-=jd=-

You are showing your ignorance. Why did the CIA refer charges to the
DOJ if no harm was done?


politics


SeeingEyeDog July 23rd 05 11:45 PM

In philosophy it is called "begging the question".
A lay person may call it "The dog chasing its tail".
In David's case it is a perfect example of Communist style propaganda..

"David" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:26:45 -0400, dxAce
wrote:

Thus far, lying to the Feds, obstruction of justice, probably
violating his Form 312 pledge.




Greg July 24th 05 12:18 AM



From: David
Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:12:46 GMT
Subject: 11 separate acts of treason committed by the White House

=-
So why did Rove and Libby lie to the investigators? Why did they make
poor Scotty McLellan lie for them to the press?

Because McClellan's job is to lie to the press.

Regarding your origina1 post, those 11 acts, I heard that too. Ooops!
there I go. Treason! Slap the cuffs on me!

Greg


MnMikew July 25th 05 04:40 PM


"David" wrote in message
...
On 23 Jul 2005 15:35:43 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:


Stop the presses!! rickets confirmed as 'tard!

-=jd=-

Laugh as you will. These people have committed an unprecedented act
of wreckless disregard for an ongoing intelligence operation,
endangering national security and putting dozens of human assetts in
danger.

While you ignore this, and choose to instead engage in juvenile name
calling, we are all put in deeper peril by those we entrusted to make
things better.

It's a non-issue. The desperation of the left deepens.



David July 25th 05 04:49 PM

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:40:24 -0500, "MnMikew"
wrote:


It's a non-issue. The desperation of the left deepens.

Non-issue? Right.


[email protected] July 25th 05 05:14 PM

Can terrorist build the bomb? Popular Science article at
www.worldnetdaily.com which reminds me,I got two snail mail notices
last week.I need to renew my subscriptions to Popular Science and
Popular Mechanics snail mail magazines.I have been reading those two
magazines since back in the 1940's.I used to read Mechanix Illustrated
and Science And Mechanics magazines too,but they went belly up years
ago.
cuhulin


David July 25th 05 05:52 PM

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:14:53 -0500, wrote:

Can terrorist build the bomb? Popular Science article at
www.worldnetdaily.com which reminds me,I got two snail mail notices
last week.I need to renew my subscriptions to Popular Science and
Popular Mechanics snail mail magazines.I have been reading those two
magazines since back in the 1940's.I used to read Mechanix Illustrated
and Science And Mechanics magazines too,but they went belly up years
ago.
cuhulin

Israel's got one. Pakistan's got one. What more do you need to know?



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