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11 separate acts of treason committed by the White House
The Disclosures of Valerie Wilson's Identity
1. The Disclosure by Karl Rove to Columnist Robert Novak In a column dated July 14, 2003, Robert Novak first reported that Valerie Plame Wilson was "an agency operative on weapons of mass destruction."1 Mr. Novak cited "two senior administration officials" as his sources.2 According to multiple news reports, one of these two sources was Karl Rove, the Deputy White House Chief of Staff and the President's top political advisor.3 During a phone call on July 8, 2003, Mr. Rove confirmed for Mr. Novak that Ms. Wilson worked at the CIA. During this conversation, Mr. Novak referred to Ms. Wilson "by her maiden name, Valerie Plame," and said he had heard she was involved in "the circumstances in which her husband … traveled to Africa."4 Mr. Rove responded, "I heard that, too."5 Mr. Novak's name also appeared "on a White House call log as having telephoned Mr. Rove in the week before the publication of the July 2003 column."6 2. The Disclosure by a "Senior Administration Official" to Columnist Robert Novak In addition to his communications with Mr. Rove, Mr. Novak learned about Ms. Wilson's identity through communications with a second "senior administration official."7 Mr. Novak's second source has not yet been publicly identified. Mr. Novak has stated, however, that the source provided him with Ms. Wilson's identity. As he stated: "I didn't dig it out, it was given to me."8 He added: "They thought it was significant, they gave me the name and I used it."9 3. The Disclosure by Karl Rove to TIME Reporter Matt Cooper During a phone call on July 11, 2003, Mr. Rove revealed to TIME reporter Matt Cooper that Ms. Wilson worked at the CIA on weapons of mass destruction.10 Mr. Cooper reported that this "was the first time I had heard anything about Wilson's wife."11 Mr. Rove provided this information on "deep background," said that "things would be declassified soon," and stated, "I've already said too much."12 4. The Disclosure by Scooter Libby to TIME Reporter Matt Cooper During a phone call on July 12, 2003, TIME reporter Matt Cooper asked the Vice President's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby "if he had heard anything about Wilson's wife sending her husband to Niger." 13 Mr. Libby replied, "Yeah, I've heard that too," or words to that effect.14 Mr. Libby provided this information "on background."15 5. The Disclosure by an "Administration Official" to Washington Post Reporter Walter Pincus On July 12, 2003, an "administration official" told Washington Post reporter Walter Pincus that "Wilson's trip to Niger was set up as a boondoggle by his CIA-employed wife."16 Mr. Pincus has not publicly identified his source, but has stated that it "was not Libby."17 6. The Disclosure by a "Top White House Official" to an Unidentified Reporter In addition making disclosures to Mr. Novak, Mr. Cooper, and Mr. Pincus, White House officials may have had conversations about Ms. Wilson with three other reporters about Ms. Wilson's identity. According to the Washington Post, a "senior administration official" confirmed that "before Novak's column ran on July 14, 2003, two top White House officials called at least six Washington journalists and disclosed the identity and occupation of Wilson's wife."18 According to this official, "Clearly, it was meant purely and simply for revenge."19 Press reports suggest that one of these unidentified reporters may be NBC correspondent Andrea Mitchell.20 7. The Disclosure by a "Top White House Official" to an Unidentified Reporter In addition making disclosures to Mr. Novak, Mr. Cooper, and Mr. Pincus, White House officials may have had conversations about Ms. Wilson with three other reporters about Ms. Wilson's identity. According to the Washington Post, a "senior administration official" confirmed that "before Novak's column ran on July 14, 2003, two top White House officials called at least six Washington journalists and disclosed the identity and occupation of Wilson's wife."21 According to this official, "Clearly, it was meant purely and simply for revenge."22 Press reports suggest that one of these unidentified reporters may be NBC Meet the Press host Tim Russert.23 8. The Disclosure by a "Top White House Official" to an Unidentified Reporter In addition making disclosures to Mr. Novak, Mr. Cooper, and Mr. Pincus, White House officials may have had conversations about Ms. Wilson with three other reporters about Ms. Wilson's identity. According to the Washington Post, a "senior administration official" confirmed that "before Novak's column ran on July 14, 2003, two top White House officials called at least six Washington journalists and disclosed the identity and occupation of Wilson's wife."24 According to this official, "Clearly, it was meant purely and simply for revenge."25 Press reports suggest that one of these unidentified reporters may be MSNBC Hardball host Chris Matthews.26 9. The Disclosure by an Unidentified Source to Wall Street Journal Reporter David Cloud On October 17, 2003, Wall Street Journal reporter David Cloud reported that an internal State Department memo prepared by U.S. intelligence personnel "details a meeting in early 2002 where CIA officer Valerie Plame and other intelligence officials gathered to brainstorm about how to verify reports that Iraq had sought uranium yellowcake from Niger."27 This "classified" document had "limited circulation," according to "two people familiar with the memo."28 10. The Disclosure by an Unidentified Source to James Guckert of Talon News On October 28, 2003, Talon News posted on its website an interview with Ambassador Joseph Wilson in which the questioner asked: "An internal government memo prepared by U.S. intelligence personnel details a meeting in early 2002 where your wife, a member of the agency or clandestine service working on Iraqi weapons issues, suggested that you could be sent to investigate the reports. Do you dispute that?"29 Talon News is tied to a group called GOP USA30 and is operated by Texas Republican Robert Eberle.31 Its only reporter, James Guckert (also known as Jeff Gannon), resigned when it was revealed that he gained access to the White House using a false name after his press credentials were rejected by House and Senate press galleries.32 In a March 2004 interview with his own news service, Mr. Guckert stated that the classified document was "easily accessible."33 In a February 11, 2005, interview with Wolf Blitzer of CNN, Mr. Guckert said the FBI interviewed him about "how I knew or received a copy of a confidential CIA memo," but he refused to answer FBI questions because of his status as a "journalist."34 A week later, Mr. Guckert changed his account, claiming he "was given no special information by the White House or by anybody else."35 11. The Disclosure by a "Senior Administration Official" to Washington Post Reporters Mike Allen and Dana Milbank On December 26, 2003, Washington Post reporters Mike Allen and Dana Milbank reported on details about the classified State Department memo, writing that it was authored by "a State Department official who works for its Bureau of Intelligence and Research."36 The Post story was attributed to "a senior administration official who has seen" the memo.37 The Post also reported that the CIA was "angry about the circulation of a still-classified document to conservative news outlets" and that the CIA "believes that people in the administration continue to release classified information to damage the figures at the center of the controversy, former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV and his wife, Valerie Plame."38 NOTES 1 Robert Novak, The Mission to Niger, Chicago Sun-Times (July 14, 2003). 2 Id. 3 Rove Reportedly Held Phone Talk on CIA Officer, New York Times (July 15, 2005). See also Rove Confirmed Plame Indirectly, Lawyer Says, Washington Post (July 15, 2005). 4 Id. 5 Id. 6 Rove Confirmed Plame Indirectly, Lawyer Says, Washington Post (July 15, 2005). 7 Robert Novak, The Mission to Niger, Chicago Sun-Times (July 14, 2003). 8 Columnist Blows CIA Agent's Cover, Newsday (July 22, 2003). 9 Id. 10 Matt Cooper, What I Told the Grand Jury, TIME (July 25, 2005). 11 Id. 12 Id. 13 Id. 14 Id. 15 Id. 16 The When and How of Leak Being Probed, Washington Post (Nov. 26, 2004). 17 Id. 18 Bush Administration Is Focus of Inquiry; CIA Agent's Identity Was Leaked to Media, Washington Post (Sept. 28, 2003). 19 Id. 20 Secrets and Leaks, Newsweek (Oct. 13, 2003) (stating that she "heard in the White House that people were touting the Novak column and that that was the real story"). 21 Bush Administration Is Focus of Inquiry; CIA Agent's Identity Was Leaked to Media, Washington Post (Sept. 28, 2003). 22 Id. 23 Reporter Held in Contempt in CIA Leak Case, Washington Post (Aug. 10, 2004) (describing a July 2003 telephone conversation between Mr. Russert and Mr. Libby). 24 Bush Administration Is Focus of Inquiry; CIA Agent's Identity Was Leaked to Media, Washington Post (Sept. 28, 2003). 25 Id. 26 Secrets and Leaks, Newsweek (Oct. 13, 2003) (reportedly stating to Mr. Wilson, "I just got off the phone with Karl Rove, who said your wife was fair game"). 27 Memo May Aid Leak Probe, Wall Street Journal (Oct. 17, 2003). 28 Id. 29 Leaks Probe Is Gathering Momentum, Washington Post (Dec. 26, 2003). See also Senate Intel Report Discredits Wilson's Claims About Iraq, Niger, Talon News (July 13, 2004) (confirming that Talon reported on the memo in October 2003). 30 Leaks Probe Is Gathering Momentum, Washington Post (Dec. 26, 2003). 31 Democrats Want Investigation of Reporter Using Fake Name, New York Times (Feb. 11, 2005). 32 Id. 33 Id. 34 Rumsfeld Visits Iraq, CNN (Feb. 11, 2005). 35 Anderson Cooper 360, CNN (Feb. 18, 2005). See also Web Site Owner Says He Knew of Reporter's 2 Identities, New York Times (Feb. 20, 2005) (claiming that referring to the memo as though he had it was "merely an interview technique"). 36 Leaks Probe Is Gathering Momentum, Washington Post (Dec. 26, 2003). 37 Id. 38 Id. |
David wrote: [crap snipped yet again] Give it up 'tard... it ain't gonna fly. Continue to tote. dxAce Michigan USA |
dx-tard:
Have you noticed, your posts are repetitious and repetitive? I think you are repeating the same ten words, but rearranging them in different orders to confuse the unwary. Check it out, others may have noticed it too. Suggest you just chuck in a new word now and then, might keep 'em confused a little bit longer... John "dxAce" wrote in message ... David wrote: [crap snipped yet again] Give it up 'tard... it ain't gonna fly. Continue to tote. dxAce Michigan USA |
John Smith wrote: [drivel snipped] Go play with your CB, 'tard boy. LMAO at the totally clueless 'tard. dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
dx-bozo:
I only hang in the chicken band and with the freebanders because they don't have licenses yet. Soon as CW drops I'll introduce you to my buddies, you on 20M? What freq? 10-4 Good Buddy? Roger-Beep-and-a-grin AUDDDDDDDIIIIIIIIOOOOOOO!!!!!! John "dxAce" wrote in message ... John Smith wrote: [drivel snipped] Go play with your CB, 'tard boy. LMAO at the totally clueless 'tard. dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
-=jd=-:
Above and beyond the call of duty, he has demonstrated, with conclusive proof, he is, indeed, a dx-tard. Only a truly retarded American could have preformed such postings without flinching and with such a total disregard for his image and those who would question his sanity. I will attest in the affirmative to the question you pose... he is indeed the finest 'Tard I have ever met... John "-=jd=-" wrote in message . 20... On Sat 23 Jul 2005 09:42:13a, David wrote in message : The Disclosures of Valerie Wilson's Identity {snippage} For the most part reads as the media naming names and claiming that, when an administration offical admits hearing a similar rumor, that admission equates to confirmation. Well, heck! I have heard from a top R.R.S. official that rickets is a 'tard. Has anyone else heard that rumor as well? If I can find one other person that has heard that same rumor, then by journalistic standards, it is a full and unequivocable confirmation. -=jd=- -- My Current Disposable Email: (Remove YOUR HAT to reply directly) |
Hmmm, I was actually pointing at the dx-toid... however, I think the
french pronunciation is "dx-turd" John "-=jd=-" wrote in message . 20... Stop the presses!! rickets confirmed as 'tard! -=jd=- On Sat 23 Jul 2005 10:41:14a, "John Smith" wrote in message : -=jd=-: Above and beyond the call of duty, he has demonstrated, with conclusive proof, he is, indeed, a dx-tard. Only a truly retarded American could have preformed such postings without flinching and with such a total disregard for his image and those who would question his sanity. I will attest in the affirmative to the question you pose... he is indeed the finest 'Tard I have ever met... John "-=jd=-" wrote in message . 20... On Sat 23 Jul 2005 09:42:13a, David wrote in message : The Disclosures of Valerie Wilson's Identity {snippage} For the most part reads as the media naming names and claiming that, when an administration offical admits hearing a similar rumor, that admission equates to confirmation. Well, heck! I have heard from a top R.R.S. official that rickets is a 'tard. Has anyone else heard that rumor as well? If I can find one other person that has heard that same rumor, then by journalistic standards, it is a full and unequivocable confirmation. -=jd=- -- My Current Disposable Email: (Remove YOUR HAT to reply directly) |
On 23 Jul 2005 15:35:43 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote: Stop the presses!! rickets confirmed as 'tard! -=jd=- Laugh as you will. These people have committed an unprecedented act of wreckless disregard for an ongoing intelligence operation, endangering national security and putting dozens of human assetts in danger. While you ignore this, and choose to instead engage in juvenile name calling, we are all put in deeper peril by those we entrusted to make things better. |
John Smith wrote: dx-bozo: I only hang in the chicken band and with the freebanders because they don't have licenses yet. Soon as CW drops I'll introduce you to my buddies, you on 20M? And your call is? dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 07:11:44 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote: dx-tard: Have you noticed, your posts are repetitious and repetitive? I think you are repeating the same ten words, but rearranging them in different orders to confuse the unwary. Check it out, others may have noticed it too. Suggest you just chuck in a new word now and then, might keep 'em confused a little bit longer... John "dxAce" wrote in message ... David wrote: [crap snipped yet again] Give it up 'tard... it ain't gonna fly. Continue to tote. dxAce Michigan USA |
David wrote: On 23 Jul 2005 15:35:43 GMT, "-=jd=-" wrote: Stop the presses!! rickets confirmed as 'tard! -=jd=- Laugh as you will. These people have committed an unprecedented act of wreckless disregard for an ongoing intelligence operation, endangering national security and putting dozens of human assetts in danger. While you ignore this, and choose to instead engage in juvenile name calling, we are all put in deeper peril by those we entrusted to make things better. What law did Rove break? dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
dx-dreamer:
Oh yeah, what was I thinking!??? I can give ya my call, it won't disclose my anonymity or adopted pen name of "John Smith." UR2DMB == good call, don't ya think? grin ROFLOL!!!! John "dxAce" wrote in message ... John Smith wrote: dx-bozo: I only hang in the chicken band and with the freebanders because they don't have licenses yet. Soon as CW drops I'll introduce you to my buddies, you on 20M? And your call is? dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
son:
I support their actions in the middle east, for that matter, any corner of the globe--if such actions final outcome are the defeat of radical muslims... Just way too early to properly critique such at this time. Rummy has just asked for another dozen or so years to give such actions and policies a proper trial, I think we should give him the time. John "David" wrote in message ... On 23 Jul 2005 15:35:43 GMT, "-=jd=-" wrote: Stop the presses!! rickets confirmed as 'tard! -=jd=- Laugh as you will. These people have committed an unprecedented act of wreckless disregard for an ongoing intelligence operation, endangering national security and putting dozens of human assetts in danger. While you ignore this, and choose to instead engage in juvenile name calling, we are all put in deeper peril by those we entrusted to make things better. |
John Smith wrote: dx-dreamer: Oh yeah, what was I thinking!??? You weren't, that's your whole problem 'tard. dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
dxAce wrote:
What law did Rove break? Holy Cow! Stop the presses! The dx (self-appointed) "ace" actually responded without name calling! Credit where it's due... To address your adult question, the grand jury is currently trying to determine what law, if any, was broken. However, in the meanwhile, can you say "ethics" (or rather lack thereof)? 73, Carter K8VT |
Carter-K8VT wrote: dxAce wrote: What law did Rove break? Holy Cow! Stop the presses! The dx (self-appointed) "ace" actually responded without name calling! Credit where it's due... To address your adult question, the grand jury is currently trying to determine what law, if any, was broken. However, in the meanwhile, can you say "ethics" (or rather lack thereof)? So in other words Rove broke no law, correct? Keep trying, 'tard. dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:54:11 -0400, dxAce
wrote: David wrote: On 23 Jul 2005 15:35:43 GMT, "-=jd=-" wrote: Stop the presses!! rickets confirmed as 'tard! -=jd=- Laugh as you will. These people have committed an unprecedented act of wreckless disregard for an ongoing intelligence operation, endangering national security and putting dozens of human assetts in danger. While you ignore this, and choose to instead engage in juvenile name calling, we are all put in deeper peril by those we entrusted to make things better. What law did Rove break? dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm The one that says to not blow it. |
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:26:45 -0400, dxAce
wrote: Carter-K8VT wrote: dxAce wrote: What law did Rove break? Holy Cow! Stop the presses! The dx (self-appointed) "ace" actually responded without name calling! Credit where it's due... To address your adult question, the grand jury is currently trying to determine what law, if any, was broken. However, in the meanwhile, can you say "ethics" (or rather lack thereof)? So in other words Rove broke no law, correct? Keep trying, 'tard. dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm Thus far, lying to the Feds, obstruction of justice, probably violating his Form 312 pledge. |
David wrote: On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:54:11 -0400, dxAce wrote: David wrote: On 23 Jul 2005 15:35:43 GMT, "-=jd=-" wrote: Stop the presses!! rickets confirmed as 'tard! -=jd=- Laugh as you will. These people have committed an unprecedented act of wreckless disregard for an ongoing intelligence operation, endangering national security and putting dozens of human assetts in danger. While you ignore this, and choose to instead engage in juvenile name calling, we are all put in deeper peril by those we entrusted to make things better. What law did Rove break? The one that says to not blow it. If that's the case then you yourself should have been in jail long ago, 'tard boy. dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
On 23 Jul 2005 16:56:07 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote: While you ignore this, and choose to instead engage in juvenile name calling, we are all put in deeper peril by those we entrusted to make things better. "Those we entrusted to make things better" are well on their way to doing so *in spite* of your continued parroting of unsubtantiated, plagiarized, blog-drippings or any messsage posted on usenet. And brace yourself -- We *will* continue to laugh at your expense. You prompt us to do so. -=jd=- By exposing vital secret operations for political revenge? |
David wrote: On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:26:45 -0400, dxAce wrote: Carter-K8VT wrote: dxAce wrote: What law did Rove break? Holy Cow! Stop the presses! The dx (self-appointed) "ace" actually responded without name calling! Credit where it's due... To address your adult question, the grand jury is currently trying to determine what law, if any, was broken. However, in the meanwhile, can you say "ethics" (or rather lack thereof)? So in other words Rove broke no law, correct? Keep trying, 'tard. dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm Thus far, lying to the Feds, obstruction of justice, probably violating his Form 312 pledge. Damn... he's beginning to sound more and more like Kerry with each passing day! Now there's a boy who belongs in jail, right along with his pal Teddy. LMAO dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
"David" wrote in message ... The Disclosures of Valerie Wilson's Identity Who wrote this fine leftist propaganda piece Komrade David? http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publis...le_23080.shtml Rep. Henry A. Waxman - CaliPornia DemoCommunist Henry A. Waxman represents California's 30th Congressional District, which includes the complete cities of Santa Monica, Beverly Hills, Agoura Hills, Calabasas, Hidden Hills, Malibu, Westlake Village and West Hollywood, as well as such areas of Los Angeles as Beverly-Fairfax, Pacific Palisades, Brentwood, Beverlywood, Topanga, Agoura, Chatsworth and Westwood. The HollyWood Communist Actors Guild has kept him in office since the Anti-War movement in the 70's. The Communist organization "Democracy Now" loves Henry Waxman. http://www.discoverthenetwork.com/gr...asp?grpid=6891 Henry Waxman subjects himself to an interveiw with Red diaper baby Amy Goodman, Co-creator of Democracy Now http://www.discoverthenetwork.com/in...asp?indid=1692 http://www.democracynow.org/article..../07/12/1411222 Please notice that the DemoCommunists [Communists undercover] continue to disregard prudent security interests of the United States in order to further their Leftist/Progressive/Socialist/Communists political agenda's. His voting record is interesting: Jul 14, 2005 - House Vote H.R. 3100: East Asia Security Act of 2005 Official Title: To authorize measures to deter arms transfers by foreign countries to the People's Republic of China. Vote Rep. Henry Waxman [D-CA]: Nay Jun 22, 2005 - House Vote H.J.Res. 10: Flag Desecration resolution Vote Rep. Henry Waxman [D-CA]: Nay |
-=jd=-:
At this point, I always lose the conversation. My gov't (public servants, from bush on down--my employees really) have no "rights", other than the simple rights equal to those held by other citizens. In any test, where a balance between "ethics" and the "peoples' right to know" is in question, it always will tip in favor of the people. While "being secure in ones' person" is a valid entitlement, our servants have no expanded or other "rights." Indeed, if they ever behave in any manner which is not beneficial to citizens as a whole, their immediate removal and possible confinement comes into question. While this "controversy" wages, if there is any question, what-so-ever, that this is merely a ruse to hold the public enthralled in disinformation or mechanizations and/or manipulations, those individuals need to immediately be brought before a court and their actions and intentions examined closely--or, such examined by our representatives in congress--if appropriate... John "-=jd=-" wrote in message . 20... On Sat 23 Jul 2005 10:52:06a, David wrote in message : On 23 Jul 2005 15:35:43 GMT, "-=jd=-" wrote: Stop the presses!! rickets confirmed as 'tard! -=jd=- Laugh as you will. These people have committed an unprecedented act of wreckless disregard for an ongoing intelligence operation, endangering national security and putting dozens of human assetts in danger. If by "These people", you mean the journalists involved who mentioned Plame by name, then you may be on to something. If by "These people" you mean the interviewee's who merely admitted to having heard a similar rumor, then you are confused. While you ignore this, and choose to instead engage in juvenile name calling, we are all put in deeper peril by those we entrusted to make things better. "Those we entrusted to make things better" are well on their way to doing so *in spite* of your continued parroting of unsubtantiated, plagiarized, blog-drippings or any messsage posted on usenet. And brace yourself -- We *will* continue to laugh at your expense. You prompt us to do so. -=jd=- -- My Current Disposable Email: (Remove YOUR HAT to reply directly) |
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:30:59 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote: -=jd=-: At this point, I always lose the conversation. My gov't (public servants, from bush on down--my employees really) have no "rights", other than the simple rights equal to those held by other citizens. In any test, where a balance between "ethics" and the "peoples' right to know" is in question, it always will tip in favor of the people. While "being secure in ones' person" is a valid entitlement, our servants have no expanded or other "rights." Indeed, if they ever behave in any manner which is not beneficial to citizens as a whole, their immediate removal and possible confinement comes into question. While this "controversy" wages, if there is any question, what-so-ever, that this is merely a ruse to hold the public enthralled in disinformation or mechanizations and/or manipulations, those individuals need to immediately be brought before a court and their actions and intentions examined closely--or, such examined by our representatives in congress--if appropriate... John Since these people work in the Executive branch, the head of that branch is responsible. If someone is dragging his feet it is that person. |
David wrote: On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:30:59 -0700, "John Smith" wrote: -=jd=-: At this point, I always lose the conversation. My gov't (public servants, from bush on down--my employees really) have no "rights", other than the simple rights equal to those held by other citizens. In any test, where a balance between "ethics" and the "peoples' right to know" is in question, it always will tip in favor of the people. While "being secure in ones' person" is a valid entitlement, our servants have no expanded or other "rights." Indeed, if they ever behave in any manner which is not beneficial to citizens as a whole, their immediate removal and possible confinement comes into question. While this "controversy" wages, if there is any question, what-so-ever, that this is merely a ruse to hold the public enthralled in disinformation or mechanizations and/or manipulations, those individuals need to immediately be brought before a court and their actions and intentions examined closely--or, such examined by our representatives in congress--if appropriate... John Since these people work in the Executive branch, the head of that branch is responsible. If someone is dragging his feet it is that person. I knew it! It's all Bush's fault, isn't it, 'tard boy? LMAO at the left-wing whack job! dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
On 23 Jul 2005 18:08:03 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote: I’m not sure how “vital” and “secret” a desk-job would be; nor am I certain that Rove admitting he heard a similar rumor equates to “political revenge”. But you keep slinging stuff at the wall and perhaps one day you may accidentally get something to stick. Until then, your parroting and plagiarizing of (so far) unsubstantiated, wishful-thinking, “drama-queen” theatrics will only get you gales of derisive laughter! It is fun watching you attempt to spin clear facts into they are not. -=jd=- You are showing your ignorance. Why did the CIA refer charges to the DOJ if no harm was done? |
-=jd=- wrote: On Sat 23 Jul 2005 12:30:59p, "John Smith" wrote in message : -=jd=-: At this point, I always lose the conversation. My gov't (public servants, from bush on down--my employees really) have no "rights", other than the simple rights equal to those held by other citizens. As a general rule, that is the status quo. I do not know of anyone who disputes that. Except, based on their behavior, it might be presumed that the media feels they should be able to violate most any other “right” in their pursuit of the “freedom of the press”. In any test, where a balance between "ethics" and the "peoples' right to know" is in question, it always will tip in favor of the people. While "being secure in ones' person" is a valid entitlement, our servants have no expanded or other "rights." Indeed, if they ever behave in any manner which is not beneficial to citizens as a whole, their immediate removal and possible confinement comes into question. Nor should they be held to a higher degree than those who would judge them. Rove admitting to “hearing a similar rumor as Novak” does not, in my humble opinion, equal any cause for immediate removal and/or confinement. While this "controversy" wages, if there is any question, what-so-ever, that this is merely a ruse to hold the public enthralled in disinformation or mechanizations and/or manipulations, those individuals need to immediately be brought before a court and their actions and intentions examined closely--or, such examined by our representatives in congress--if appropriate... Then target the journalists/media. So far, (it may yet change) this looks to be something they have cooked-up and are perpetuating. The media brought up Plame first. As far as I have seen reported, Rove merely said “I’ve heard that same rumor too”. Then the media (and the Rove-haters) equated that to “confirmation”. Any other reasonable and prudent person would agree that all Rove is guilty of is admitting to hearing the same rumor. Based on that evidence alone, anyone who equates that to confirmation is being patently unreasonable and imprudent. Being patently unreasonable and imprudent is the hallmark of the left-wingers! dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
-=jd=- wrote: On Sat 23 Jul 2005 01:28:00p, David wrote in message : On 23 Jul 2005 18:08:03 GMT, "-=jd=-" wrote: I’m not sure how “vital” and “secret” a desk-job would be; nor am I certain that Rove admitting he heard a similar rumor equates to “political revenge”. But you keep slinging stuff at the wall and perhaps one day you may accidentally get something to stick. Until then, your parroting and plagiarizing of (so far) unsubstantiated, wishful-thinking, “drama-queen” theatrics will only get you gales of derisive laughter! It is fun watching you attempt to spin clear facts into they are not. -=jd=- You are showing your ignorance. Why did the CIA refer charges to the DOJ if no harm was done? Ha! Aren’t you the optimistic one to claim ignorance on anyone else’s behalf! As far as I am aware, they (CIA) did not “refer charges” (You’re probably a cop-show fan, judging by your lingo). It is my understanding that they requested an investigation into the matter. No more, no less. After that request was made, the agency is “hands-off”. The results of the DOJ’s investigation will determine if federal law was violated and/or if the agency needs to tighten up it’s policies & procedures, or patch a loop- hole, or if nothing afoul of the law took place at all. Let me go ahead and make a prediction on *your* reaction, regardless of the outcome: If the DOJ finds no federal law violated, no impropriety -OR- finds the media at fault for the ruckus, you will scream that the investigation was rigged and was actually a massive conspiracy led by Bush to prevent Bush (himself) from being impeached, indicted, tarred, feathered, whatever. However, if the DOJ investigation finds federal law *was* violated and an indictment is sought against some Bush administration staffer, you will scream that the investigation was rigged and was actually a massive conspiracy led by Bush to prevent Bush (himself) from being impeached, indicted, tarred, feathered, whatever. The left-wingers pride themselves on being un-happy no matter what happens. dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
On 23 Jul 2005 19:28:34 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote: Ha! Aren’t you the optimistic one to claim ignorance on anyone else’s behalf! As far as I am aware, they (CIA) did not “refer charges” (You’re probably a cop-show fan, judging by your lingo). It is my understanding that they requested an investigation into the matter. No more, no less. After that request was made, the agency is “hands-off”. The results of the DOJ’s investigation will determine if federal law was violated and/or if the agency needs to tighten up it’s policies & procedures, or patch a loop- hole, or if nothing afoul of the law took place at all. Let me go ahead and make a prediction on *your* reaction, regardless of the outcome: If the DOJ finds no federal law violated, no impropriety -OR- finds the media at fault for the ruckus, you will scream that the investigation was rigged and was actually a massive conspiracy led by Bush to prevent Bush (himself) from being impeached, indicted, tarred, feathered, whatever. However, if the DOJ investigation finds federal law *was* violated and an indictment is sought against some Bush administration staffer, you will scream that the investigation was rigged and was actually a massive conspiracy led by Bush to prevent Bush (himself) from being impeached, indicted, tarred, feathered, whatever. You are too predictable... -=jd=- There should be aCIA report outlining the damages caused by the revelation. Since that report has not been ''leaked'' one must assume that it makes the WH look worse than they already do. |
David wrote: On 23 Jul 2005 19:28:34 GMT, "-=jd=-" wrote: Ha! Aren’t you the optimistic one to claim ignorance on anyone else’s behalf! As far as I am aware, they (CIA) did not “refer charges” (You’re probably a cop-show fan, judging by your lingo). It is my understanding that they requested an investigation into the matter. No more, no less. After that request was made, the agency is “hands-off”. The results of the DOJ’s investigation will determine if federal law was violated and/or if the agency needs to tighten up it’s policies & procedures, or patch a loop- hole, or if nothing afoul of the law took place at all. Let me go ahead and make a prediction on *your* reaction, regardless of the outcome: If the DOJ finds no federal law violated, no impropriety -OR- finds the media at fault for the ruckus, you will scream that the investigation was rigged and was actually a massive conspiracy led by Bush to prevent Bush (himself) from being impeached, indicted, tarred, feathered, whatever. However, if the DOJ investigation finds federal law *was* violated and an indictment is sought against some Bush administration staffer, you will scream that the investigation was rigged and was actually a massive conspiracy led by Bush to prevent Bush (himself) from being impeached, indicted, tarred, feathered, whatever. You are too predictable... -=jd=- There should be aCIA report outlining the damages caused by the revelation. Since that report has not been ''leaked'' one must assume that it makes the WH look worse than they already do. LMAO... you sure do make a lot of assumptions, 'tard boy! dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
On 23 Jul 2005 18:54:42 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote: Then target the journalists/media. So far, (it may yet change) this looks to be something they have cooked-up and are perpetuating. The media brought up Plame first. As far as I have seen reported, Rove merely said “I’ve heard that same rumor too”. Then the media (and the Rove-haters) equated that to “confirmation”. Any other reasonable and prudent person would agree that all Rove is guilty of is admitting to hearing the same rumor. Based on that evidence alone, anyone who equates that to confirmation is being patently unreasonable and imprudent. -=jd=- Your timeline is flawed. The White House requested info about the Wilsons on 7 July 2003. Rove ''leaked'' to Novak on 8 July 2003. Where and when did anyone in the media report that Mrs. Wilson was a CIA UC prior to Novak's piece? |
For just *one* source, see the 230+ line message: Subject: Joseph Wilson's Amazing Left-Wing Dreamland Posted by:"SeeingEyeDog" Citation: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=18868 Partial quote: “...However, Plame's identity was, in the words of Robert Novak, "not much of a secret." Cliff May states he was told of Plame's work - as a desk jockey at Langley, to which job she drove everyday - in a blas‚ manner, as though all Washington insiders knew of it. Perhaps they did; Plame acknowledges she "outed" herself to Joseph Wilson at roughly the time of their first kiss. Given the current dating-and-mating habits of Beltways divorcees, she's likely kissed others, perhaps using her CIA job as foreplay at each rendezvous. As noted above, she also exposed her Agency name and cover job on her political donation to Al Gore in 2000. In fact, other national media outlets had named her as an agent before Karl Rove's disclosure to Novak. Further, the CIA did nothing to prevent Robert Novak from printing her name in his syndicated column, indicating they did not consider the exposure vital - perhaps grudging recognition of the fact that this genie had long been out of the bottle....” -=jd=- So why did Rove and Libby lie to the investigators? Why did they make poor Scotty McLellan lie for them to the press? |
David wrote: On 23 Jul 2005 18:08:03 GMT, "-=jd=-" wrote: I'm not sure how "vital" and "secret" a desk-job would be; nor am I certain that Rove admitting he heard a similar rumor equates to "political revenge". But you keep slinging stuff at the wall and perhaps one day you may accidentally get something to stick. Until then, your parroting and plagiarizing of (so far) unsubstantiated, wishful-thinking, "drama-queen" theatrics will only get you gales of derisive laughter! It is fun watching you attempt to spin clear facts into they are not. -=jd=- You are showing your ignorance. Why did the CIA refer charges to the DOJ if no harm was done? politics |
In philosophy it is called "begging the question".
A lay person may call it "The dog chasing its tail". In David's case it is a perfect example of Communist style propaganda.. "David" wrote in message ... On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:26:45 -0400, dxAce wrote: Thus far, lying to the Feds, obstruction of justice, probably violating his Form 312 pledge. |
From: David Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:12:46 GMT Subject: 11 separate acts of treason committed by the White House =- So why did Rove and Libby lie to the investigators? Why did they make poor Scotty McLellan lie for them to the press? Because McClellan's job is to lie to the press. Regarding your origina1 post, those 11 acts, I heard that too. Ooops! there I go. Treason! Slap the cuffs on me! Greg |
"David" wrote in message ... On 23 Jul 2005 15:35:43 GMT, "-=jd=-" wrote: Stop the presses!! rickets confirmed as 'tard! -=jd=- Laugh as you will. These people have committed an unprecedented act of wreckless disregard for an ongoing intelligence operation, endangering national security and putting dozens of human assetts in danger. While you ignore this, and choose to instead engage in juvenile name calling, we are all put in deeper peril by those we entrusted to make things better. It's a non-issue. The desperation of the left deepens. |
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:40:24 -0500, "MnMikew"
wrote: It's a non-issue. The desperation of the left deepens. Non-issue? Right. |
Can terrorist build the bomb? Popular Science article at
www.worldnetdaily.com which reminds me,I got two snail mail notices last week.I need to renew my subscriptions to Popular Science and Popular Mechanics snail mail magazines.I have been reading those two magazines since back in the 1940's.I used to read Mechanix Illustrated and Science And Mechanics magazines too,but they went belly up years ago. cuhulin |
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