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Freedom
Freedom Fried
by Archie Kennedy http://www.aussieseek.com/ We are crossing a line and on the other side of that line there is fascism, totalitarianism, death squads, and crypto security. But in reality there is no security. It is a myth. But there are plenty of despots. Freedom has a price. It is a price that we have been willing to pay for hundreds of years in most Western societies. The cost is a certain degree of necessary anxiety as a result of the unpredictable nature of disparate human impulses. When the citizens and leaders of a society become jittery and fearful enough, they tend to sell their freedom for safety from the unknown and unpredictable. In societies that have cowed to fear, you may be stoned to death for committing adultery, you may be sanctioned for =E2??extremist=E2?? views, or you may be put to death for a crime you have not committed. That is a problem with a secure society. It is, after all, a myth. The upside is that all the trains tend to run on time. To live in a free society we must tolerate known criminals living in our midst. We must tolerate all sorts of political and philosophical opinions that are an affront to our sensibilities. We have to accept the fact that anything can happen. Many unpleasant possibilities are plausible, even the possibility of being killed. But that=E2??s life. Security is a myth and if we take a look around, if we take a look at what happens when societies give in to fear, we can see what happens. Those societies become tyrannical nightmares. There is a border, a clear and distinct line that we cannot cross. We must prosecute a crime AFTER the individual has acted. And no nation can act against another preemptively. That means that we cannot prosecute pedophiles that are likely to harm children before they act. Instead, we have to be awake and aware and take steps to protect them ourselves. The state cannot do it. We cannot prosecute those that will likely murder their spouse before they act. We have to act to protect ourselves and our loved ones. The state cannot do it. In free societies we have always endured this precarious situation. But we have done it. But now all that is changing and what it may mean for us is a future of having to endure the iron shackles of an arbitrary and brutal state apparatus. We have to ask ourselves if we are that cowardly. Are we timid and fearful to the point that we allow the terrorists that slaughtered the people in the twin towers to take away our freedom? They seem to be winning the war that Bush had boldly declared against terrorism. Not so much in the sense that they are managing to create enough carnage and fear in Iraq to be party to the complete terrorizing of that society as much as the effect they are having on American society. This also spills over into British, Canadian, Australian and many other societies. Coincidentally, and fortunately for the terrorists of both stripes (the Arab terrorists and the American terrorists) there were two bombings in London just prior to a vote in the US House of Representatives on renewal of the misnamed and potentially fascistic Patriot Act. Following hours of intense debate they voted 257-171 to permanently extend 14 of 16 provisions that had a four year sunset. The remaining two provisions were given a ten year lease on life. This would not have happened without the London bombings. You'd almost think the Mid-Eastren and Western neo cons were working together. One provision is to permit "roving wiretaps" and the other will allow the state to search individuals library and medical records. If it is the long term plan of the terrorists to destroy individual freedom in the West, they are doing a bang up job. Unfortunately, they are on the same page in this regard as the neo cons that are pushing this cancerous virus against the spirit of freedom through the media, through legislation and through the minds of the timid and fearful fools that buy into this fearful bull****. On this political front, we may have to make uncomfortable bedfellows. There are some conservatives that are vehemently passionate about individual liberty, some liberals and socialists as well. On this matter, we should be prepared to drop the guns we tend to hold at one another's heads and work together against the conservatives, liberals and socialists, that don't give a flying **** about individual liberty and especially the terrorists and neo cons that are working to destroy it |
On 23 Jul 2005 12:57:51 -0700, "AussieSeek.com Political
Messageboards" wrote: Freedom Fried by Archie Kennedy http://www.aussieseek.com/ We are crossing a line and on the other side of that line there is fascism, totalitarianism, death squads, and crypto security. But in reality there is no security. It is a myth. But there are plenty of despots. Freedom has a price. It is a price that we have been willing to pay for hundreds of years in most Western societies. The cost is a certain degree of necessary anxiety as a result of the unpredictable nature of disparate human impulses. Thanks. I prefer real freedom to the illusion of safety. |
David wrote: On 23 Jul 2005 12:57:51 -0700, "AussieSeek.com Political Messageboards" wrote: Freedom Fried by Archie Kennedy http://www.aussieseek.com/ We are crossing a line and on the other side of that line there is fascism, totalitarianism, death squads, and crypto security. But in reality there is no security. It is a myth. But there are plenty of despots. Freedom has a price. It is a price that we have been willing to pay for hundreds of years in most Western societies. The cost is a certain degree of necessary anxiety as a result of the unpredictable nature of disparate human impulses. Thanks. I prefer real freedom to the illusion of safety. Yeah, it's kinda like sanity. Most of us prefer real sanity as opposed to the illusion of sanity which you seem to enjoy, 'tard boy! dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
David:
Hang in there, stiff upper lip man, I know knight you into our order of the "Holy 'Tard", although the dx-dummy has hoisted that title on our order, we shall wear it in pride--as we perform our knightly duties of slaying the dx-dra'GOON-'Tard... onward to death or glory man! grin John "David" wrote in message ... On 23 Jul 2005 12:57:51 -0700, "AussieSeek.com Political Messageboards" wrote: Freedom Fried by Archie Kennedy http://www.aussieseek.com/ We are crossing a line and on the other side of that line there is fascism, totalitarianism, death squads, and crypto security. But in reality there is no security. It is a myth. But there are plenty of despots. Freedom has a price. It is a price that we have been willing to pay for hundreds of years in most Western societies. The cost is a certain degree of necessary anxiety as a result of the unpredictable nature of disparate human impulses. Thanks. I prefer real freedom to the illusion of safety. |
-=jd=- wrote:
On Sat 23 Jul 2005 04:13:57p, David wrote in message : On 23 Jul 2005 12:57:51 -0700, "AussieSeek.com Political Messageboards" wrote: Freedom Fried by Archie Kennedy http://www.aussieseek.com/ We are crossing a line and on the other side of that line there is fascism, totalitarianism, death squads, and crypto security. But in reality there is no security. It is a myth. But there are plenty of despots. Freedom has a price. It is a price that we have been willing to pay for hundreds of years in most Western societies. The cost is a certain degree of necessary anxiety as a result of the unpredictable nature of disparate human impulses. Thanks. I prefer real freedom to the illusion of safety. Real freedom? When have you *ever* earned real freedom or even known real freedom? All the freedoms you currently enjoy have been *given* to you by someone else! You haven't yet repaid your debt, and attending school on the taxpayer's dime does not equate to public service, leech-boy! One does not need to put on a military uniform to earn one's freedom. One can start by standing up to terrorists and their unwitting amen corner who want to destroy freedom. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
This would make perfect sense had Einstein never had invented the nuclear
age. Today, it is very possible and increasingly likely, that a terrorist will use the ultimate terror weapon. It may not happen next week, next month or even within this decade. But it will happen. It's just a matter of time. Then what? Who will you blame? Your freedom loving government which allowed it to occur? Will you blame the intelligence community which is increasing being handstrung by worldwide leftist freedom propaganda. Or will you blame yourself for your short sighted stupidity as you bury your family members and send your son off to war? Or, which I believe is more likely, you will run over to your computer and post more leftist idiotic stupidity in order to further "the cause" by stating it was a government conspiracy to yet again increase the defense and intelligence budget. Which will it be "next time"? Or maybe there won't be anyone around next time. That's what you can call freedom on the day after. Freedom to die! "AussieSeek.com Political Messageboards" wrote in message oups.com... Freedom Fried by Archie Kennedy http://www.aussieseek.com/ We are crossing a line and on the other side of that line there is fascism, totalitarianism, death squads, and crypto security. But in reality there is no security. It is a myth. But there are plenty of despots. Freedom has a price. It is a price that we have been willing to pay for hundreds of years in most Western societies. The cost is a certain degree of necessary anxiety as a result of the unpredictable nature of disparate human impulses. When the citizens and leaders of a society become jittery and fearful enough, they tend to sell their freedom for safety from the unknown and unpredictable. In societies that have cowed to fear, you may be stoned to death for committing adultery, you may be sanctioned for â??extremistâ?? views, or you may be put to death for a crime you have not committed. That is a problem with a secure society. It is, after all, a myth. The upside is that all the trains tend to run on time. To live in a free society we must tolerate known criminals living in our midst. We must tolerate all sorts of political and philosophical opinions that are an affront to our sensibilities. We have to accept the fact that anything can happen. Many unpleasant possibilities are plausible, even the possibility of being killed. But thatâ??s life. Security is a myth and if we take a look around, if we take a look at what happens when societies give in to fear, we can see what happens. Those societies become tyrannical nightmares. There is a border, a clear and distinct line that we cannot cross. We must prosecute a crime AFTER the individual has acted. And no nation can act against another preemptively. That means that we cannot prosecute pedophiles that are likely to harm children before they act. Instead, we have to be awake and aware and take steps to protect them ourselves. The state cannot do it. We cannot prosecute those that will likely murder their spouse before they act. We have to act to protect ourselves and our loved ones. The state cannot do it. In free societies we have always endured this precarious situation. But we have done it. But now all that is changing and what it may mean for us is a future of having to endure the iron shackles of an arbitrary and brutal state apparatus. We have to ask ourselves if we are that cowardly. Are we timid and fearful to the point that we allow the terrorists that slaughtered the people in the twin towers to take away our freedom? They seem to be winning the war that Bush had boldly declared against terrorism. Not so much in the sense that they are managing to create enough carnage and fear in Iraq to be party to the complete terrorizing of that society as much as the effect they are having on American society. This also spills over into British, Canadian, Australian and many other societies. Coincidentally, and fortunately for the terrorists of both stripes (the Arab terrorists and the American terrorists) there were two bombings in London just prior to a vote in the US House of Representatives on renewal of the misnamed and potentially fascistic Patriot Act. Following hours of intense debate they voted 257-171 to permanently extend 14 of 16 provisions that had a four year sunset. The remaining two provisions were given a ten year lease on life. This would not have happened without the London bombings. You'd almost think the Mid-Eastren and Western neo cons were working together. One provision is to permit "roving wiretaps" and the other will allow the state to search individuals library and medical records. If it is the long term plan of the terrorists to destroy individual freedom in the West, they are doing a bang up job. Unfortunately, they are on the same page in this regard as the neo cons that are pushing this cancerous virus against the spirit of freedom through the media, through legislation and through the minds of the timid and fearful fools that buy into this fearful bull****. On this political front, we may have to make uncomfortable bedfellows. There are some conservatives that are vehemently passionate about individual liberty, some liberals and socialists as well. On this matter, we should be prepared to drop the guns we tend to hold at one another's heads and work together against the conservatives, liberals and socialists, that don't give a flying **** about individual liberty and especially the terrorists and neo cons that are working to destroy it |
On 23 Jul 2005 21:47:00 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote: On Sat 23 Jul 2005 04:13:57p, David wrote in message : On 23 Jul 2005 12:57:51 -0700, "AussieSeek.com Political Messageboards" wrote: Freedom Fried by Archie Kennedy http://www.aussieseek.com/ We are crossing a line and on the other side of that line there is fascism, totalitarianism, death squads, and crypto security. But in reality there is no security. It is a myth. But there are plenty of despots. Freedom has a price. It is a price that we have been willing to pay for hundreds of years in most Western societies. The cost is a certain degree of necessary anxiety as a result of the unpredictable nature of disparate human impulses. Thanks. I prefer real freedom to the illusion of safety. Real freedom? When have you *ever* earned real freedom or even known real freedom? All the freedoms you currently enjoy have been *given* to you by someone else! You haven't yet repaid your debt, and attending school on the taxpayer's dime does not equate to public service, leech-boy! -=jd=- Freedom is the natural state of things, bestowed by Nature's God. If you support the current regime you do not embrace Freedom. They are enemies of the Revolution. |
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:22:39 -0500, "SeeingEyeDog" wrote:
This would make perfect sense had Einstein never had invented the nuclear age. Today, it is very possible and increasingly likely, that a terrorist will use the ultimate terror weapon. It may not happen next week, next month or even within this decade. But it will happen. It's just a matter of time. Then what? Who will you blame? Your freedom loving government which allowed it to occur? Will you blame the intelligence community which is increasing being handstrung by worldwide leftist freedom propaganda. Or will you blame yourself for your short sighted stupidity as you bury your family members and send your son off to war? Or, which I believe is more likely, you will run over to your computer and post more leftist idiotic stupidity in order to further "the cause" by stating it was a government conspiracy to yet again increase the defense and intelligence budget. Which will it be "next time"? Or maybe there won't be anyone around next time. That's what you can call freedom on the day after. Freedom to die! Do you really think the enemy is that insane? Do you think they'd nuke us if we were acting more truly generously; less selfishly? Who really runs U.S. foreign policy? Is it being conducted in the best interests of the American people. |
SeeingEyeDog wrote:
This would make perfect sense had Einstein never had invented the nuclear age. Today, it is very possible and increasingly likely, that a terrorist will use the ultimate terror weapon. It may not happen next week, next month or even within this decade. But it will happen. It's just a matter of time. Then what? Who will you blame? Your freedom loving government which allowed it to occur? Will you blame the intelligence community which is increasing being handstrung by worldwide leftist freedom propaganda. Or will you blame yourself for your short sighted stupidity as you bury your family members and send your son off to war? Or, which I believe is more likely, you will run over to your computer and post more leftist idiotic stupidity in order to further "the cause" by stating it was a government conspiracy to yet again increase the defense and intelligence budget. Which will it be "next time"? Or maybe there won't be anyone around next time. That's what you can call freedom on the day after. Freedom to die! In other words, freedom is less important to you than having the "right side" win. It doesn't matter to you whether in the process of winning we've given up our humanity. As long as the US wins, that's all that's important. Freedom is just rhetoric. Well, the US is rapidly becoming like the Communist ruled China that you hate so much, and you and most other Americans don't seem to care, because to you the US is always right. Well, if we become a fascist dictatorship, the Republican Party will be no better than the CCP. All that will be different is the rhetoric. The actions will be the same. And you will be happy, since the "right side" will have won, but the only thing that will have won will be the forces of tyranny. You want to overthrow the tyranny of the CCP and replace it with the tyranny of the GOP. Well, I say bull****. If a man hasn't found a cause for which he is willing to die, then he isn't fit to live. -Martin Luther King Jr. I'm willing to die for freedom. Most people aren't. Most people live in fear of dying in a terrorist attack. Well, I say "bring it on". I'm not afraid of terrorists, Islamic, Communist, or American. "AussieSeek.com Political Messageboards" wrote in message oups.com... Freedom Fried by Archie Kennedy http://www.aussieseek.com/ We are crossing a line and on the other side of that line there is fascism, totalitarianism, death squads, and crypto security. But in reality there is no security. It is a myth. But there are plenty of despots. Freedom has a price. It is a price that we have been willing to pay for hundreds of years in most Western societies. The cost is a certain degree of necessary anxiety as a result of the unpredictable nature of disparate human impulses. When the citizens and leaders of a society become jittery and fearful enough, they tend to sell their freedom for safety from the unknown and unpredictable. In societies that have cowed to fear, you may be stoned to death for committing adultery, you may be sanctioned for â??extremistâ?? views, or you may be put to death for a crime you have not committed. That is a problem with a secure society. It is, after all, a myth. The upside is that all the trains tend to run on time. To live in a free society we must tolerate known criminals living in our midst. We must tolerate all sorts of political and philosophical opinions that are an affront to our sensibilities. We have to accept the fact that anything can happen. Many unpleasant possibilities are plausible, even the possibility of being killed. But thatâ??s life. Security is a myth and if we take a look around, if we take a look at what happens when societies give in to fear, we can see what happens. Those societies become tyrannical nightmares. There is a border, a clear and distinct line that we cannot cross. We must prosecute a crime AFTER the individual has acted. And no nation can act against another preemptively. That means that we cannot prosecute pedophiles that are likely to harm children before they act. Instead, we have to be awake and aware and take steps to protect them ourselves. The state cannot do it. We cannot prosecute those that will likely murder their spouse before they act. We have to act to protect ourselves and our loved ones. The state cannot do it. In free societies we have always endured this precarious situation. But we have done it. But now all that is changing and what it may mean for us is a future of having to endure the iron shackles of an arbitrary and brutal state apparatus. We have to ask ourselves if we are that cowardly. Are we timid and fearful to the point that we allow the terrorists that slaughtered the people in the twin towers to take away our freedom? They seem to be winning the war that Bush had boldly declared against terrorism. Not so much in the sense that they are managing to create enough carnage and fear in Iraq to be party to the complete terrorizing of that society as much as the effect they are having on American society. This also spills over into British, Canadian, Australian and many other societies. Coincidentally, and fortunately for the terrorists of both stripes (the Arab terrorists and the American terrorists) there were two bombings in London just prior to a vote in the US House of Representatives on renewal of the misnamed and potentially fascistic Patriot Act. Following hours of intense debate they voted 257-171 to permanently extend 14 of 16 provisions that had a four year sunset. The remaining two provisions were given a ten year lease on life. This would not have happened without the London bombings. You'd almost think the Mid-Eastren and Western neo cons were working together. One provision is to permit "roving wiretaps" and the other will allow the state to search individuals library and medical records. If it is the long term plan of the terrorists to destroy individual freedom in the West, they are doing a bang up job. Unfortunately, they are on the same page in this regard as the neo cons that are pushing this cancerous virus against the spirit of freedom through the media, through legislation and through the minds of the timid and fearful fools that buy into this fearful bull****. On this political front, we may have to make uncomfortable bedfellows. There are some conservatives that are vehemently passionate about individual liberty, some liberals and socialists as well. On this matter, we should be prepared to drop the guns we tend to hold at one another's heads and work together against the conservatives, liberals and socialists, that don't give a flying **** about individual liberty and especially the terrorists and neo cons that are working to destroy it ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
"David" wrote
Do you really think the enemy is that insane? What enemy David? They are your friends! Do you think they'd nuke us if we were acting more truly generously; less selfishly? Why don't you move there yourself and help them so that you can find out just how "poor' they really are. Who really runs U.S. foreign policy? Is it being conducted in the best interests of the American people. What is it they say? What you don't know CAN hurt you. And you Komrade David, know virtually squat! |
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:59:58 -0500, "SeeingEyeDog" wrote:
"David" wrote Do you really think the enemy is that insane? What enemy David? They are your friends! Do you think they'd nuke us if we were acting more truly generously; less selfishly? Why don't you move there yourself and help them so that you can find out just how "poor' they really are. Who really runs U.S. foreign policy? Is it being conducted in the best interests of the American people. What is it they say? What you don't know CAN hurt you. And you Komrade David, know virtually squat! I know that victory will require sacrifice. |
The Mid Eastern and Western neo cons ARE working together.It is
called,Dealing With The Enemy. cuhulin |
"David" wrote
If you support the current regime you do not embrace Freedom. They are enemies of the Revolution. You say you want a revolution Well, you know We all want to change the world You tell me that it's evolution Well, you know We all want to change the world But when you talk about destruction Don't you know that you can count me out Don't you know it's gonna be all right all right, all right You say you got a real solution Well, you know We'd all love to see the plan You ask me for a contribution Well, you know We're doing what we can But when you want money for people with minds that hate All I can tell is brother you have to wait Don't you know it's gonna be all right all right, all right You say you'll change the constitution Well, you know We all want to change your head You tell me it's the institution Well, you know You better free your mind instead But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow Don't you know it's gonna be all right all right, all right all right, all right, all right all right, all right, all right |
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:13:22 -0500, "SeeingEyeDog" wrote:
Famous Thomas Jefferson Quote "God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." by: Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President Source: November 13, 1787, letter to William S. Smith, quoted in Padover's Jefferson On Democracy Categories: Arms, Death, Despotism, God, Guns, Liberty, Militia, Patriotism, President, Rebellion, Resistance, Tyranny Reader comments about this quote: -- Anonymous -- Ken ********, Aurora I think Americans should pay more attention to the words of our founding fathers than to the talking heads on the media.and to the political poltroons and robots in Washington! -- John-Douglas, Nassau Well the blood of patriots has been shed at places like Waco and Ruby Ridge and who knows where else in the USA - but how come the blood of tyrants has not been shed, not even one drop? Or do Americans prefer slavery to freedom? -- GWDrope, Grimsby, Canada I think we Americans have grown accustomed to the manure of Big Government and Bureaucratic Bull - and we enjoy wallowing in this political filth, just like pigs in the mud. -- JDoN, Michigan -- Chris , Oxford, MS "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants." The blood of patriots and tyrants is being spilled everyday in the name of liberty. God Bless our Troops and God Bless America. -- NYC native, new york city I agree with NYC Native in some sense, but I think you are interpreting the quote incorrectly. Jefferson is speaking on domestic behalfs. This is more a support for 2nd Amendment (RIght to bear arms) than anything else. He is saying Americans inherently will fight for their rights. It is the governments duty to respond. It is also a warning to keep an open government so the people can see what is happening and not rebel. We have minor cases of this called "riots" but other than that, the people are happy enough not to rebel against the govt. He is speaking of civil war and revolt. As for foreign affairs, I believe the ends will justify the means, but that has nothing to do with this quote since we were not attacked by Americans. -- Rob, Raleigh In our vast ignorance, Americans have taken this quote and twisted it to justify our foreign wars in recent years. This quote was talking about REVOLUTION on our own soil, not about going abroad and exerting our will in other peoples' lands. But I do think it's a very appropriate quote for the times, in it's original context. -- EB, Michigan -- James T. Shaw, Sr., New Castle, PA Gun control advocates should read this quote and think about what it really means. -- M, LVNV Freedom - democracy, individual and economic freedom are the only systems worth defending. The only other alternative is Socialism in various forms. -- GWL, MPLS -- Anonymous http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quotes...256cdb000defec |
dxAce wrote:
Yeah, it's kinda like sanity. Most of us prefer real sanity as opposed to the illusion of sanity which you seem to enjoy, 'tard boy! ...but you portray the illusion of sanity so well...even your finely honed version of BORING appears so real and uncontrived...yawnnnn..damn..there it goes again...your version of sanity is rather amusing, in a picayune sort of way.. mike |
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