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[email protected] August 3rd 05 11:10 PM

I know it's too early to tell yet,but I wonder how trouble free the
radio will be over the years,perhaps ten to 15 years or more,for that
much money they should last forever.Some radios y'all own and talk
about,it seems to me they have to be sent off somewhere (Sangean radio's
front panels come to mind) too often for repair service and that cost
more money if the radio is out of warranty,or if still in warranty,(dont
forget to fill out the warranty cards and send them in or do it online)
at least for shipping and handling charges.
cuhulin


David August 4th 05 12:05 AM

On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 17:41:12 -0400, "Mark S. Holden"
wrote:

David wrote:


Plus, advertising is tax deductible. Guess who makes up the
difference when businesses write-off expenses.



When you tax a business, you're really using the business to collect a
tax from their customers. Raise the tax, they'll raise their prices.

Without customers, they have no money to pay the tax.

It's popular with folks who like big government, as it helps prevent
people from realizing how much of their income actually goes to taxes.

Most big corporations have laws written so they pay very little if any
taxes.


David August 4th 05 12:06 AM

On 3 Aug 2005 13:41:58 -0700, wrote:


David wrote:
On 3 Aug 2005 12:27:40 -0700,
wrote:



I just want to make sure I understand your position. You're not mad at
corporations for buying politicians, because corporations are required
by law to buy off politicians. You're only angry at the politicians
themselves? Is this right?

Prettymuch...


That's an interesting perspective you have there. Oh, by the way, which
law is it that requires corporations to buy off politicians? If they
don't buy off politicians, are they vulnerable to prosecution?

Not prosecution, shareholder action.


David August 4th 05 12:09 AM

On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 12:11:39 -0400, dxAce
wrote:



David wrote:

On 3 Aug 2005 06:53:07 -0700, wrote:

In that case, all they'd need to get rid of is the interface to the uP
and a mini-USB jack.

Steve

Not going to happen Fetish Boy. People want freedom of choice.

What do you have against a hi-fi feed of the BBC World Service 24
hours a day?


It's not shortwave, 'tard boy, and ostensibly that is what this group is about.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


The waves are about 5 and a quarter inches; that's pretty damn short.


[email protected] August 4th 05 12:17 AM

Well, which is it? Does the law require it or not? You need to get your
story straight.


[email protected] August 4th 05 01:28 AM


David wrote:
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 12:11:39 -0400, dxAce
wrote:



David wrote:

On 3 Aug 2005 06:53:07 -0700, wrote:

In that case, all they'd need to get rid of is the interface to the uP
and a mini-USB jack.

Steve

Not going to happen Fetish Boy. People want freedom of choice.

What do you have against a hi-fi feed of the BBC World Service 24
hours a day?


It's not shortwave, 'tard boy, and ostensibly that is what this group is about.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


The waves are about 5 and a quarter inches; that's pretty damn short.


Sounds great. In fact, sounds like these waves deserve their own
newsgroup.

Don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out.


David August 4th 05 02:21 AM

On 3 Aug 2005 16:17:12 -0700, wrote:

Well, which is it? Does the law require it or not? You need to get your
story straight.

Fiduciary responsibility


[email protected] August 4th 05 02:57 AM

How does buying off politicians constitute f. responsibility?


Lucky August 4th 05 03:09 PM


"David" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:05:19 -0400, "Lucky"
wrote:



I won't pay for the service either. I can find all the music I want on FM
or
on the net. Radio waves were meant to be free for listeners with
commercials
supporting the station. To me, this sat radio business is a created
offspring of radio that has been hyped too much. But from many people who
have the service, they say they'll never go back to "old style FM" again.

I surely won't pay $13 or $15 a month for it. If it was like $3 a month,
I'd
try it.

Lucky

You are indeed ''Lucky'' if you can get clean FM stereo where you
live. I cannot. Like millions of people in the Western part of the
USA, mountains and multipath destroy the FM stereo at my house.

Is this the 11th Commandment, or what:

''Radio waves were meant to be free for listeners with commercials
supporting the station''

The first commercial stations were signed on so stores could sell
radios. Very similar to the satellite radio business model.

Here's the deal: you pay for ****ty radio every time you buy a Coke.
Quit buying Cokes and listen to better radio.




I live In Florida which is basically flat. I get great FM and never had a
problem with it.
Now, there might be a little station just starting out here in Florida, low
powered so it comes in badly but it's usually not a station I want to listen
to.

And as for Coke, I gave up soda about a year or more ago. I don't touch the
stuff unless it's pure seltzer and then only once in a long while. The stuff
does NOTHING for your body and my doctor told me it eats up your stomach
lining slowly but surely.

Lucky



David August 4th 05 03:21 PM

On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:09:21 -0400, "Lucky"
wrote:



I live In Florida which is basically flat. I get great FM and never had a
problem with it.
Now, there might be a little station just starting out here in Florida, low
powered so it comes in badly but it's usually not a station I want to listen
to.

And as for Coke, I gave up soda about a year or more ago. I don't touch the
stuff unless it's pure seltzer and then only once in a long while. The stuff
does NOTHING for your body and my doctor told me it eats up your stomach
lining slowly but surely.

Lucky

It was an example for illustrative purposes.

If you were a Country fan in New York City you'd understand.



MnMikew August 4th 05 04:08 PM


"Lucky" wrote in message
...
And as for Coke, I gave up soda about a year or more ago. I don't touch

the
stuff unless it's pure seltzer and then only once in a long while. The

stuff
does NOTHING for your body and my doctor told me it eats up your stomach
lining slowly but surely.

Lucky

Switch to beer, a porkchop in every can. :-)



[email protected] August 4th 05 04:30 PM

Lucky,did you ever go to Spook Hill in Lake Wales and Coral Castle in
Florida.I have been to those places before.Spook Hill is really an
illusion pertaining to the lay of the land,it only looks like vehicles
roll uphill but really they roll down hill a few feet.That guy who built
Coral Castle must have used a home made crane or hoist to lift those
heavy stones.He certainly didn't use any kind of magic "levitation".I
quit soda pop over twenty years ago and even before I quit that slop,I
rarely ever drank it.I drink tons of coffee and water and V8 juice and
orange juice (Florida orange juice,of course) and one or two six packs
of beer ever couple of weeks.
cuhulin


[email protected] August 4th 05 04:35 PM

Beer,a pork chop in every can.You got that right,I have the big old
double beer belly to prove it too.
cuhulin


Lucky August 4th 05 04:37 PM


"David" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:09:21 -0400, "Lucky"
wrote:



I live In Florida which is basically flat. I get great FM and never had a
problem with it.
Now, there might be a little station just starting out here in Florida,
low
powered so it comes in badly but it's usually not a station I want to
listen
to.

And as for Coke, I gave up soda about a year or more ago. I don't touch
the
stuff unless it's pure seltzer and then only once in a long while. The
stuff
does NOTHING for your body and my doctor told me it eats up your stomach
lining slowly but surely.

Lucky

It was an example for illustrative purposes.

If you were a Country fan in New York City you'd understand.



You said:

"You are indeed ''Lucky'' if you can get clean FM stereo where you
live. I cannot. Like millions of people in the Western part of the
USA, mountains and multipath destroy the FM stereo at my house."

How is that "illustrative " when there are millions of people like me who do
live on the east coast and have no problems?
Or the midwest?

Then, from the western hills you go to NY for another "illustrative" purpose
and choose country music to prove your point.

You know, sometimes I think you don't know WTF you're talking about. It
seems to go in circles. Nothing is clear.....

Lucky



David August 4th 05 05:00 PM

On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:37:17 -0400, "Lucky"
wrote:



"David" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:09:21 -0400, "Lucky"
wrote:



I live In Florida which is basically flat. I get great FM and never had a
problem with it.
Now, there might be a little station just starting out here in Florida,
low
powered so it comes in badly but it's usually not a station I want to
listen
to.

And as for Coke, I gave up soda about a year or more ago. I don't touch
the
stuff unless it's pure seltzer and then only once in a long while. The
stuff
does NOTHING for your body and my doctor told me it eats up your stomach
lining slowly but surely.

Lucky

It was an example for illustrative purposes.

If you were a Country fan in New York City you'd understand.



You said:

"You are indeed ''Lucky'' if you can get clean FM stereo where you
live. I cannot. Like millions of people in the Western part of the
USA, mountains and multipath destroy the FM stereo at my house."

How is that "illustrative " when there are millions of people like me who do
live on the east coast and have no problems?
Or the midwest?

Then, from the western hills you go to NY for another "illustrative" purpose
and choose country music to prove your point.

You know, sometimes I think you don't know WTF you're talking about. It
seems to go in circles. Nothing is clear.....

Lucky


The ''Coke'' example was the illustration.

You are taking this **** way too seriously. This is the internet.
It's all fake.

I was replying to the fact that not everyone is blessed with the rich
cultural bounty that is Florida radio

..I won't pay for the service either. I can find all the music I want
on FM


DeWayne August 5th 05 04:06 AM


"Lucky" wrote in message
...

"rkhalona" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hi Lucky,

I am glad you are happy with the E1. I hope you don't feel bad if I
say
I am a little skeptical, so I will ask this question in the most
innocent way:
What other radios do you have/have you played with?

Many thanks for your informative reviews. They are helpful.

RK


Thanks RK.

I now own 11 radios.

1] Icom R75
2] Lowe HF-150
3] Kenwood R-5000
4] JRC NRD-525
5] FRG-7
6] Ten Tec 320-D
7] FRG-7700
8] Degen 1103
9] Nasa Target HF3 {Nav-Fax 100 in U.S.}
10] Great Cond Kenwood QR-666 that later became the R-300.
11] Eton E1 :)


What, no SAT 800?


So, I have a sense of quality and features etc. But, I'm not a super pro
like some of the other guys in here that have been doing this for years.

Lucky




[email protected] August 5th 05 01:19 PM


David wrote:
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:05:19 -0400, "Lucky"
wrote:


You are indeed ''Lucky'' if you can get clean FM stereo where you
live. I cannot. Like millions of people in the Western part of the
USA, mountains and multipath destroy the FM stereo at my house.


You have three choices. (1) Stop whining about your poor reception; (2)
lay out more wire; or (3) write out a check every month to Big Brother
at Sirius.

So far you've chosen (3).

We all understand that. No one is interested in it.



Is this the 11th Commandment, or what:

''Radio waves were meant to be free for listeners with commercials
supporting the station''

The first commercial stations were signed on so stores could sell
radios. Very similar to the satellite radio business model.

Here's the deal: you pay for ****ty radio every time you buy a Coke.
Quit buying Cokes and listen to better radio.


Yeah, instead he should pay for ****ty radio by writing a check out to
Big Brother every month. Real smart.


dxAce August 5th 05 01:23 PM



wrote:

David wrote:
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:05:19 -0400, "Lucky"
wrote:


You are indeed ''Lucky'' if you can get clean FM stereo where you
live. I cannot. Like millions of people in the Western part of the
USA, mountains and multipath destroy the FM stereo at my house.


You have three choices. (1) Stop whining about your poor reception; (2)
lay out more wire; or (3) write out a check every month to Big Brother
at Sirius.

So far you've chosen (3).

We all understand that. No one is interested in it.


Is this the 11th Commandment, or what:

''Radio waves were meant to be free for listeners with commercials
supporting the station''

The first commercial stations were signed on so stores could sell
radios. Very similar to the satellite radio business model.

Here's the deal: you pay for ****ty radio every time you buy a Coke.
Quit buying Cokes and listen to better radio.


Yeah, instead he should pay for ****ty radio by writing a check out to
Big Brother every month. Real smart.


Isn't he subsidizing 'Whitey' by writing out that check as well?

dxAce
Michigan
USA



[email protected] August 5th 05 01:35 PM


jamulc wrote:

If
it's all it purports to be, then it seems that its performance could
well be a notch or two above the '2010, SW77, and Sat 700.


I'll be surprised if this turns out to be the case, but I'd love to be
surprised! I really hope this is correct.

The $500
price tag might seem a bit much to foot, but let's face it, it's not a
matter of whether or not its performance is superior to a similarly
priced R-75 but rather whether one is in need of a high quality and
truly-portable portable, laden with numerous features not to be found
in the under $200 class that dominates the portable scene.


Given what I've heard so far about its lack of a handle, size and
overall construction, it doesn't sound like something you'd want to lug
around a lot.


Let's face
it, the SW77 retailed at $469.96 in its day (and it only had two
bandwidth filters and certainly had no passband offset).


Very true. And as much as I love the SW77--as it's an excellent
portable--there's no way in *(&^ is should have sold for $469.96. But
note: it wouldn't have been worth more money if it had had more filters
and a passband offset. We think about these features as though they can
be slapped onto just any radio and function properly, but in my
experience this just isn't so. Put four filters on just about any
portable and you will not have a significantly better radio. You have
to have an underlying receiver that can do justice to these features.
This is my beef with the way a lot of portables are marketed and sold.
They have all kinds of junk on them in the way of "features", but all
of these really cool features are attached to....a mediocre radio that
can't even begin to do them justice. Frankly, I'd rather not have all
the bells and whistles if they're just going to be useless appendages;
and if the manufacturer skipped the bells and whistles, they'd probably
be able to sell you the receiver at a reasonable price.

Steve


[email protected] August 5th 05 02:12 PM

It doesn't get any "whiter" than Sirius.


David August 5th 05 02:36 PM

On 5 Aug 2005 05:19:01 -0700, wrote:



Yeah, instead he should pay for ****ty radio by writing a check out to
Big Brother every month. Real smart.

You got something against free enterprise, Trotsky?


David August 5th 05 02:37 PM

On 5 Aug 2005 06:12:23 -0700, wrote:

It doesn't get any "whiter" than Sirius.

I don't count Jews as white people.


[email protected] August 5th 05 02:48 PM


David wrote:
On 5 Aug 2005 06:12:23 -0700, wrote:

It doesn't get any "whiter" than Sirius.

I don't count Jews as white people.


Why do you think we're interested in your attitude toward Jewish
people?

Steve


[email protected] August 5th 05 02:51 PM

Nope, but plenty against throwing money away needlessly.


[email protected] August 5th 05 02:53 PM

Please find a more appropriate newgroup in which to post this twaddle.


[email protected] August 5th 05 02:57 PM

I dont count Canadians as people at all.Speaking of the E1's though.A
previous poster commented they dont have IBOC (I think he said IBOC) and
a few other things that would make the E1's a better radio.I dont know
most of those technical terms some of y'all talk about (it's all Greek
to me) but I think he is right.It's not like I am knocking the E1's
because I am not,but I think (only thinking) they could have made it a
better radio.
cuhulin


[email protected] August 5th 05 03:10 PM

"Dude"? How old are you? Nothing is sadder than an aging hipster.


Michael Lawson August 5th 05 03:16 PM


"DeWayne" wrote in message
.. .

"Lucky" wrote in message
...

"rkhalona" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hi Lucky,

I am glad you are happy with the E1. I hope you don't feel bad

if I
say
I am a little skeptical, so I will ask this question in the most
innocent way:
What other radios do you have/have you played with?

Many thanks for your informative reviews. They are helpful.

RK


Thanks RK.

I now own 11 radios.

1] Icom R75
2] Lowe HF-150
3] Kenwood R-5000
4] JRC NRD-525
5] FRG-7
6] Ten Tec 320-D
7] FRG-7700
8] Degen 1103
9] Nasa Target HF3 {Nav-Fax 100 in U.S.}
10] Great Cond Kenwood QR-666 that later became the R-300.
11] Eton E1 :)


What, no SAT 800?


Ha. I rather don't think he needs one.

I'm curious about comparisons between 1), 3) and 4).
I already know about the audio on 2), and I'm not that
interested on 5) through 11), but the Icom, Kenwood
and JRC are the interesting ones for me.


So, I have a sense of quality and features etc. But, I'm not a

super pro
like some of the other guys in here that have been doing this for

years.

You've still got enough radios, tho. If I had that many
around the house, my wife would probably demand that
I give a few up.

--Mike L.



Lucky August 5th 05 04:08 PM


"David" wrote in message
...
On 5 Aug 2005 06:12:23 -0700, wrote:

It doesn't get any "whiter" than Sirius.

I don't count Jews as white people.


And what exactly do you count them as?

Lucky



Lucky August 5th 05 04:08 PM


"David" wrote in message
...
On 5 Aug 2005 06:12:23 -0700, wrote:

It doesn't get any "whiter" than Sirius.

I don't count Jews as white people.


And what exactly do you count them as?

Lucky




Lucky August 5th 05 04:13 PM


"DeWayne" wrote in message
.. .

"Lucky" wrote in message
...

"rkhalona" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hi Lucky,

I am glad you are happy with the E1. I hope you don't feel bad if I
say
I am a little skeptical, so I will ask this question in the most
innocent way:
What other radios do you have/have you played with?

Many thanks for your informative reviews. They are helpful.

RK


Thanks RK.

I now own 11 radios.

1] Icom R75
2] Lowe HF-150
3] Kenwood R-5000
4] JRC NRD-525
5] FRG-7
6] Ten Tec 320-D
7] FRG-7700
8] Degen 1103
9] Nasa Target HF3 {Nav-Fax 100 in U.S.}
10] Great Cond Kenwood QR-666 that later became the R-300.
11] Eton E1 :)


What, no SAT 800?


So, I have a sense of quality and features etc. But, I'm not a super pro
like some of the other guys in here that have been doing this for years.

Lucky




No Dewayne unfortunately. I heard to much about the terrible quality control
and wobbly knobs that come off and all sorts of other things. So, I didn't
want to take a chance on buying one off Ebay and bought the R75 with the
last $500 allocated for a radio. Perhaps one day I'll buy a brand new one
from Universal.

Right now I need to be a little tight with my money.

Lucky



Lucky August 5th 05 04:20 PM


"Ken Ness" wrote in message
news:2005080315083616807%kness@attnet...
On 2005-08-03 00:03:16 -0400, "mike maghakian"
said:

it sounds like the E1 is better than I thought it would be, this one
could go down in history as a classic.



We're lucky to have Lucky on RRS! Thanks to him we now have a good idea of
what the Satellit 900 --err, E1-- is all about. And thanks also to him for
the pointer to the manual.

From what I can tell from the specs, this is a repackaged Satellit 800
sans the ugliness and empty air. The addition of PBS is useful for SSB.
For AM one simply off-tunes while in SAM mode. I suspect the detector
circuitry is essentially what's in my Drake SW2, so a shift of up to
50-60% of the width of the chosen filter would be possible.

With my Satellit 700 developing a buzz after a few minutes operation, and
with my having to do some repair work on my ancient 2010, the E1 is
looking like the perfect bedside/rooftop radio. Can't wait 'til J&R gets
their shipment!

Like Lucky, I have a thing for radios. In addition to the above units, I
also have the 525, R30 (each feeding a speaker through an SE3 and FL3),
HF150, SPR-4, Sony 5900 & 7600, and Pete's MW receiver as soon as it's
released. Clearly I desperately need another radio!

Thanks again, Lucky.

Ken


Thanks Ken for the kind words. It's actually my pleasure to help people out
if it's in my power to do so. I'm so glad it helped you and I didn't post
all for nothing. if ONE person like you got enjoyment from it, then it makes
my day and I feel more self worth.

So, thank you!
Lucky



jamulc August 5th 05 04:28 PM

hi...

Ultimately, it'll be a matter of waitin' and seein' if the E1 does
indeed perform well in all it aims to do. Because I can help but to
have my own doubt in this regard, I'd be hesitant to be one of the
first to run out and buy one.

As regards the size/portability issue, I can certainly appreciate your
opinion on this matter, Steve, especially given the many compact and
micro-sized portables out there nowadays. For me, the E1's size and
lack of handle is no real issue: I regularly carry an SW8, antenna,
etc to remote areas to get in some quality listening in a less
noise-filled environment. For that matter, I frequently do the same
with the SW77, which I carry in one of those Pelican 1450 cases (nice
fit for the SW77 and accessories). For the E1, it's simply a matter of
getting a new foam insert for the case and picking & plucking for the
E1's size specifications. But then, that won't happen until I'm
assured of the quality and performance of this product.

And, sure, there's no need to give any thought to the various features
if, beneath it all, the radio itself simply isn't up to par. That's
why I'm really keen on seeing some mag reviews, as well as additional
user opinions posted on this receiver. I have to say, though, that
it's good to see a portable receiver being provided with such features
as passband offset and more than two bandwidth filters. I would like
to see more such performance-related features being added to portables.
For too long, it has been a tiresome reality that the only reason to
upgrade from one portable to the next has been that the new model has
an additional 100 or so memories to leave empty. So, in designing the
E2 or whatever successor model there may be (if any at all), it'd be
nice if the Eton folks would consider giving us a notch filter, as
well...

Best,

j.a.mulc.


David August 5th 05 05:27 PM

On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 11:13:32 -0400, "Lucky"
wrote:



"DeWayne" wrote in message
. ..

"Lucky" wrote in message
...

"rkhalona" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hi Lucky,

I am glad you are happy with the E1. I hope you don't feel bad if I
say
I am a little skeptical, so I will ask this question in the most
innocent way:
What other radios do you have/have you played with?

Many thanks for your informative reviews. They are helpful.

RK


Thanks RK.

I now own 11 radios.

1] Icom R75
2] Lowe HF-150
3] Kenwood R-5000
4] JRC NRD-525
5] FRG-7
6] Ten Tec 320-D
7] FRG-7700
8] Degen 1103
9] Nasa Target HF3 {Nav-Fax 100 in U.S.}
10] Great Cond Kenwood QR-666 that later became the R-300.
11] Eton E1 :)


What, no SAT 800?


So, I have a sense of quality and features etc. But, I'm not a super pro
like some of the other guys in here that have been doing this for years.

Lucky




No Dewayne unfortunately. I heard to much about the terrible quality control
and wobbly knobs that come off and all sorts of other things. So, I didn't
want to take a chance on buying one off Ebay and bought the R75 with the
last $500 allocated for a radio. Perhaps one day I'll buy a brand new one
from Universal.

Right now I need to be a little tight with my money.

Lucky


The $400 rebuilt ones from Universal were OK.


[email protected] August 5th 05 06:03 PM

If somebody has money they want to "through away needlessly,Big deal,so
what! I whole heartingly APPROVE.It is their money and they are free to
spend their money in any way they wish.And I APPROVE.
cuhulin


[email protected] August 5th 05 06:11 PM

Enough radios,you say? Honestly,I dont know how many radios I own,I
never counted them before.I have two closets crammed full of old radios
and several footlockers crammed full of old radios and radios scattered
all over in every room in my seven room house and that even includes my
bathroom.I think I own at least 200 old radios and most likely twice or
more old radios.And I am not going to go to the trouble of counting them
either.
cuhulin


[email protected] August 5th 05 06:17 PM

But,will an E1 radio,without an external antenna pick up that radio
station in Monticello,Mississippi from over here on the West side of
Jackson,Mississippi in the daytime? Look it up in a Rand McNalley road
atlas.Monticello isn't that far from Jackson.
cuhulin


[email protected] August 5th 05 06:22 PM


David wrote:


The $400 rebuilt ones from Universal were OK.


If you had one and it was ok, you woudn't be forking all your money
over to Sirius, Inc.


[email protected] August 5th 05 06:44 PM

There are taxes on everything,especially the RIPP OFF sales taxes here
in Mississippi.I guess (only guessing) that we all do indirectly pay for
listening to radio whether we like it or not.Unless one whom is homeless
finds a battery powered radio in a dumpster somewhere.I APPROVE of
that.Some homeless folks are homeless because they want to be homeless
(maybe they know something we dont know) and weirdingly and
interestingly,I APPROVE of that too.Sometimes,I envy them.
cuhulin


[email protected] August 5th 05 07:15 PM

You just can't have too many radios.Throw the wife and kids out and dump
your girlfriends and collect more radios.
cuhulin



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