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[email protected] August 19th 05 06:12 PM

E1 Vs SW77
 
Sony is greedy...there's no doubt about that. The E1 has many more
features than the SW77 and I hope, but will be a bit surprised, if the
E1 is equal to the SW77.


mike0219116 August 19th 05 06:32 PM

Bill wrote:
From what I've read about the new E1 I doubt if Sony will be missed too much
in the SW market. The E1 seems to do everything the SW77 does and much more.
I think the SW77 AC adapter was nearly $100 from Sony. Hopefully Eton won't
be as greedy. I've also read that the E1 Sync is outstanding.

Bill


I always found the audio on the SW77 disappointing. I would think that
the E1 would be better in that regard.


[email protected] August 19th 05 06:35 PM

If you go to www.radiointel.com, there's a review of the E1. The review
is very positive, but a bit strange. The reviewer seems to prefer the
E1, overall, to the Sat 800. However, he *doesn't* seem to think that
it's a knockout and in the closing paragraph he even describes the E1
as "a compact Sat 800 with numerous extra goodies".

Even though the tone of the review is very positive, I don't think this
is the sort of think thing Eton was hoping to hear.

The reviewer also plays up the connection with Drake....the same
connection that everyone seems to play up.....except--curiously--Drake.


Steve


[email protected] August 19th 05 11:16 PM

I just looked at that review again. The name "Drake" is mentioned four
times in that review, and the name "Eton" is never mentioned
anywhere....not once! Someone reading that review would never know that
Eton had any association with this receiver. Am I the only one who
finds this a little weird?

Steve


craigm August 20th 05 01:08 AM

wrote:
I just looked at that review again. The name "Drake" is mentioned four
times in that review, and the name "Eton" is never mentioned
anywhere....not once! Someone reading that review would never know that
Eton had any association with this receiver. Am I the only one who
finds this a little weird?

Steve


While I don't think Drake has an exclusive on the phasing detector and
Drake doesn't indicate that they have had any involvement in the design
of the radio, you need to also look at the positive things in the review.

The review has a significant amount of quantative content(numbers). Too
many review are of the "my new radio is the best radio ever" nature.
Other radio reviews focus too much on the touchy-feely stuff with
nothing of substance to back it up.

The reviewer has gone to the effort to get or find the numeric data
presented. He has also made comparions to other high-end portable radios
in addition to the company's previous high end radio. (I'm referring
to high-end portables and not implying a comparison to much more
expensive table-top radios.)

The reviewer has also given us the best description of the features of
the radio that I have seen. This is much better than re-hashing all the
same stuff we have seen before.

The review contains references the things that some might find as
shortcomings. Many reviewers will only present positive comments.

The review does not answer all my questions about the radio but it does
tell me the radio is worth looking at.

My thanks go to the reviewer.

craigm



[email protected] August 20th 05 01:14 AM

I agree. I don't think it's a bad review, as it has lots of good info.
I just think there's some strangeness about it.

Steve


[email protected] August 20th 05 10:21 PM

I find that I'm willing to accept the numbers the reviewer provides at
face value. I might not accept the reviewer's interpretation of those
numbers or any overall conclusions he draws about the receiver, though.


Whatever the value of this particular reviewers observations, it is
just plain weird that he never mentioned the manufacturer of the E1
even once, while mentioning Drake four times. Someone totally new to
shortwave would walk away from this review thinking the E1 is in fact
the "Drake E1". In that respect it is misleading.

Steve


craigm August 21st 05 05:57 AM

wrote:
I find that I'm willing to accept the numbers the reviewer provides at
face value. I might not accept the reviewer's interpretation of those
numbers or any overall conclusions he draws about the receiver, though.


Whatever the value of this particular reviewers observations, it is
just plain weird that he never mentioned the manufacturer of the E1
even once, while mentioning Drake four times. Someone totally new to
shortwave would walk away from this review thinking the E1 is in fact
the "Drake E1". In that respect it is misleading.

Steve


The radio's manufacturer was mentioned twice on the radiointel page that
links to the radio. So to get to the review one reads the paragraph that
has the manufacturer's name.

If it is so much an issue why not bring up the same point about the
subject of this thread?

RHF August 21st 05 10:23 AM

CM,
..
You are trying to use common sense on RRS.
Please Do Not Try To Confuse Us
.. . . with Logic and the Facts ;-}

RHF August 21st 05 10:39 AM

Steve, Eton E1XM vs Grundig Satellit 800 Review
http://www.radiointel.com/
Here it is the first report of the new and very much awaited Eton E1XM.
Dr Phil, author of the Icom R75 Cookbook, shares his impressions of the
E1XM. We hope to have another review soon of the E1XM. After all for a
radio that has been anticipated for over 10 years deserves at least two
reviews! [click here to download the pdf file of the E1XM vs Satellit
800 Review] Aug 19

Telamon August 21st 05 08:01 PM

In article . com,
"RHF" wrote:

Steve, Eton E1XM vs Grundig Satellit 800 Review
http://www.radiointel.com/ Here it is the first report of the new and
very much awaited Eton E1XM. Dr Phil, author of the Icom R75
Cookbook, shares his impressions of the E1XM. We hope to have another
review soon of the E1XM. After all for a radio that has been
anticipated for over 10 years deserves at least two reviews! [click
here to download the pdf file of the E1XM vs Satellit 800 Review] Aug
19
.
So let me get this straight "Dr Phil" of the Drake R8B -=V=- Icom
IC-R75 Wars is 'pro' Drake - HUMmm !
.
maybe dr phil is a convert to drakeism ~ RHF
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ETON-E1-XM-Radio/
. . . . .


I think this radio has a fine array of features and it could be a good
radio but I'll just have to wait until someone I trust reviews it. I
don't care or will read any comments from someone like "Lucky" who has
proven himself to be full of it on the news group.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

[email protected] August 21st 05 09:07 PM

Yes, RHF, that's the same review I linked to above, earlier in the
thread.

Steve


Telamon August 21st 05 09:30 PM

In article . com,
wrote:

Yes, RHF, that's the same review I linked to above, earlier in the
thread.

I don't join Yahoo groups.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

RHF August 22nd 05 09:24 PM

Steve - Yes that is True.

RHF August 23rd 05 07:22 AM

Bill & Steve,

Well, 'if' we suppose that the general trend of radio design for
these Radios started with the Drake SW1 and then evolved into the
SW2 and then SW8 'portable' Shortwave Radios.

Followed by the Grundig Satellit 800 M (produced by Eton Corp.)
that was claimed to be basically a re-box Drake SW8.

Now we have the Eton E1 Radio which some claim is an up-graded
and improved Grundig Satellit 800 M.

As to what RL Drake Co's specific involvement in the Eton E1;
we may never know for sure. But the evolution of this Radio
Product from : SW1 SW2 SW8 GS800M Eton E1 is a
generally accepted fact.

Eton and Tecsun's role in the development and production of the
Eton E1 may be much greater then Drakes. But most would agree
that the foundation of the design and development knowledge base
is Drakes to start with; and still continues to this day.

A New Question Arises - Who Is the Indian Radio Poduction
"Assembly" Plant 'partner' for the Eton E1 Radio ? ? ?


and that's what i thing about that ~ RHF

David August 23rd 05 02:38 PM

On 22 Aug 2005 23:22:34 -0700, "RHF"
wrote:

Bill & Steve,

Well, 'if' we suppose that the general trend of radio design for
these Radios started with the Drake SW1 and then evolved into the
SW2 and then SW8 'portable' Shortwave Radios.

Followed by the Grundig Satellit 800 M (produced by Eton Corp.)
that was claimed to be basically a re-box Drake SW8.

Now we have the Eton E1 Radio which some claim is an up-graded
and improved Grundig Satellit 800 M.

As to what RL Drake Co's specific involvement in the Eton E1;
we may never know for sure. But the evolution of this Radio
Product from : SW1 SW2 SW8 GS800M Eton E1 is a
generally accepted fact.

Eton and Tecsun's role in the development and production of the
Eton E1 may be much greater then Drakes. But most would agree
that the foundation of the design and development knowledge base
is Drakes to start with; and still continues to this day.

A New Question Arises - Who Is the Indian Radio Poduction
"Assembly" Plant 'partner' for the Eton E1 Radio ? ? ?


and that's what i thing about that ~ RHF
.
E1XM = http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ETON-E1-XM-Radio/



I thought the SW8 came first. Then the 1 and 2.


[email protected] August 23rd 05 04:37 PM

Me neither.I despise yahoo and google and hotmail.Mama didn't raise no
fool.
cuhulin


Ken Ness August 23rd 05 05:05 PM

On 2005-08-23 02:22:34 -0400, "RHF" said:

But the evolution of this Radio
Product from : SW1 SW2 SW8 GS800M Eton E1 is a
generally accepted fact.


Not fact.

The SW8 preceded the SW1 (which, with the addition of selectable
sideband synchronous detection, became the SW2) by two years. The SW1
and 2 constituted Drake's budget line. But your central observation
that the E1 is a knock-on from the 800 and the 2nd version of the SW8
is my understanding as well. The three are to my mind repackagings of
the same core receiver, varying in quality of execution and the
quantity of air included for the purchase price. The E1 adds welcome
memory capabilities, superior display, and pbs.

Ken
/ S53A / SPR-4 / 525 / SW2 / R30CC / . . . / . . . E1?


[email protected] August 23rd 05 07:55 PM

Made in India of chink made parts,e1's,, and five hundred dollars! I
dont want one!
cuhulin


David August 23rd 05 08:44 PM

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:55:43 -0500, wrote:

Made in India of chink made parts,e1's,, and five hundred dollars! I
dont want one!
cuhulin

This is why you have trouble getting MW stations from one county over.


[email protected] August 23rd 05 08:56 PM

Every little scratch on my old radios is plum full of radio stations.I
dont live in California or a great big city.My cheapest hand held radios
easily pick up many more times radio stations than your best radios
do.Islands in the stream,, that is what we arrrr,,,,,,,,, and we gottt
no doubttt,,,,,,,,,,
cuhulin



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