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A rough reconstruction of the flooding based on anecdotal accounts,
interviews, and computer modeling, shows that the huge scale of the overlapping floods – one fast, one slow – should have been clear to some officials by mid-afternoon Monday, when city representatives confirmed that the 17th Street canal floodwall had been breached. At that point areas to the east were submerged from the earlier flooding, trapping thousands, while gradually rising waters stretched from the Lakefront across to Mid City and almost to the Central Business District. Federal officials have referred to the levee breaches as a separate and much later event from the flooding to the east, and said that they were unaware of the gravity of the problem until Tuesday, suggesting valuable response time was lost. “It was midday Tuesday that I became aware of the fact that there was no possibility of plugging the (17th Street canal) gap and that essentially the lake was going to start to drain into the city. I think that second catastrophe really caught everybody by surprise,” Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said Sunday, adding that he believed the breach had occurred Monday night or Tuesday morning. By that time, flooding from at least one of the two breached canals already had been under way all day Monday, evidence shows. Even on Tuesday, as still-rising waters covered most of New Orleans, FEMA official Bill Lokey sounded a reassuring note in a Baton Rouge briefing. “I don't want to alarm everybody that, you know, New Orleans is filling up like a bowl,” Lokey said. “That's just not happening.” Once a levee or floodwall is breached by a hurricane storm surge, engineers say, it often widens and cannot be quickly sealed. Storm surge waters in Lake Pontchartrain may take a day or more to subside, so they keep pouring into the city – most of which lies below sea level – until the levels inside and outside the levee are equal. Experts familiar with the hurricane risks in the New Orleans area said they were stunned that no one had conveyed the information about the breaches or made clear to upper-level officials the grave risk they posed, or made an effort to warn residents about the threat after storm winds subsided Monday afternoon. “I’m shocked. I don’t understand why the response wasn’t instantaneous,” said Louisiana State University geology professor Greg Stone, who studies coastal storm surge dynamics. “They should have been monitoring this and informed people all the way to the top, (and) then they should have warned people,” said Ivor Van Heerden, who uses computer models at the LSU Hurricane Center to study storm surges and provided officials in the Louisiana Office of Emergency Preparedness headquarters with data indicating the potential for flooding that could result from Katrina. www.nola.com |
You have to admit though,cheney (DR.Marble and
cheney,Gulfport,Mississippi) does have a certain amout of decorum. cuhulin |
David wrote: A rough reconstruction of the flooding based on anecdotal accounts, interviews, and computer modeling, shows that the huge scale of the overlapping floods – one fast, one slow – should have been clear to some officials by mid-afternoon Monday, when city representatives confirmed that the 17th Street canal floodwall had been breached. At that point areas to the east were submerged from the earlier flooding, trapping thousands, while gradually rising waters stretched from the Lakefront across to Mid City and almost to the Central Business District. Federal officials have referred to the levee breaches as a separate and much later event from the flooding to the east, and said that they were unaware of the gravity of the problem until Tuesday, suggesting valuable response time was lost. “It was midday Tuesday that I became aware of the fact that there was no possibility of plugging the (17th Street canal) gap and that essentially the lake was going to start to drain into the city. I think that second catastrophe really caught everybody by surprise,” Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said Sunday, adding that he believed the breach had occurred Monday night or Tuesday morning. By that time, flooding from at least one of the two breached canals already had been under way all day Monday, evidence shows. Even on Tuesday, as still-rising waters covered most of New Orleans, FEMA official Bill Lokey sounded a reassuring note in a Baton Rouge briefing. “I don't want to alarm everybody that, you know, New Orleans is filling up like a bowl,” Lokey said. “That's just not happening.” Once a levee or floodwall is breached by a hurricane storm surge, engineers say, it often widens and cannot be quickly sealed. Storm surge waters in Lake Pontchartrain may take a day or more to subside, so they keep pouring into the city – most of which lies below sea level – until the levels inside and outside the levee are equal. Experts familiar with the hurricane risks in the New Orleans area said they were stunned that no one had conveyed the information about the breaches or made clear to upper-level officials the grave risk they posed, or made an effort to warn residents about the threat after storm winds subsided Monday afternoon. “I’m shocked. I don’t understand why the response wasn’t instantaneous,” said Louisiana State University geology professor Greg Stone, who studies coastal storm surge dynamics. “They should have been monitoring this and informed people all the way to the top, (and) then they should have warned people,” said Ivor Van Heerden, who uses computer models at the LSU Hurricane Center to study storm surges and provided officials in the Louisiana Office of Emergency Preparedness headquarters with data indicating the potential for flooding that could result from Katrina. Damn... it's becoming more and more apparent that the officials in Louisiana really screwed up as the first line of defense. dxAce Michigan USA |
I have an old Popular Mechanics (it might be one of my old Popular
Science magazines,h..l,I don't remember which one it is) magazine around here somewhere that dates back to the 1950's.The magazine has a big article with pictures about Engineers shoreing up the Levees along the Mississippi River.Great big steel cables fishnet design nets in the Levees in the banks of the Mississippi River.Did Katrina really cause those breaches in the New Orleans Levees? Convince me!,but I don't think you can! cuhulin |
Roll the Dice! I will flat out say it right NOW! Katrina did NOT! cause
the New Orleans Levees breaches! cuhulin |
What is worse, is that Bush gave them MORE dike money than Clinton, but
Mayor Nagin spent it elsewhere! Nagin's worse than any Mayor Daly.... |
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On 11 Sep 2005 08:14:52 -0700, "
wrote: What is worse, is that Bush gave them MORE dike money than Clinton, but Mayor Nagin spent it elsewhere! Nagin's worse than any Mayor Daly.... And for that the people deserve to be ingored for 4 days? |
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:08:01 -0400, dxAce
wrote: Damn... it's becoming more and more apparent that the officials in Louisiana really screwed up as the first line of defense. dxAce Michigan USA They acknowledged before the storm that they would be overwhelmed. That was FEMA's job. |
David wrote: On 11 Sep 2005 08:14:52 -0700, " wrote: What is worse, is that Bush gave them MORE dike money than Clinton, but Mayor Nagin spent it elsewhere! Nagin's worse than any Mayor Daly.... And for that the people deserve to be ingored for 4 days? Ignored? No one was being ignored, 'tard boy. Unless of course by ignored you mean that each and every affected individual didn't instantaneously have a FEMA official there to take them by the hand and lead them to safety. LMAO at the 'tard yet again! dxAce Michigan USA |
" wrote: What is worse, is that Bush gave them MORE dike money than Clinton, but Mayor Nagin spent it elsewhere! Nagin's worse than any Mayor Daly.... Really. Any thinking person has to realize that help is probably not going to materialize instantaneously from outside the affected area of any disaster. It's up to the folks right there on the scene to have a effective plan, and be able to put that plan into place to be able to weather the storm (no pun intended) until additional help can arrive. As I recall it, they were warned in the past that Federal help may not arrive for several days. They did not heed that warning. dxAce Michigan USA |
David wrote: On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:08:01 -0400, dxAce wrote: Damn... it's becoming more and more apparent that the officials in Louisiana really screwed up as the first line of defense. dxAce Michigan USA They acknowledged before the storm that they would be overwhelmed. Then they should have done MORE prior to the storm, 'tard boy, instead of sitting around picking their dingle-berry's like the typical liberal ****stains that they are waiting for someone else to come along and bail (no pun intended) them out. That was FEMA's job. It's NOT FEMA's job PRIOR to the storm, ****-for-brains, it's FEMA's job to come in AFTER a disaster or catastrophe. Prior to the storm or catastrophe it's up to local or State government to handle their own damn affairs. dxAce Michigan USA |
Decorum means whatever you think you want it to mean,, I equate it
to,niceness and with a sense of humor,, as regarding cheney and Dr.Marble.cheney,FREE MARBLE,the guy was only blowing off some steam. cuhulin |
cheney said,, er,,ahh,,oh forget it.(or something like that) in
Gulfport,Mississippi.cheney is originally from Nebraska,, I will let him slide on that. cuhulin |
"David" wrote in message They acknowledged before the storm that they would be overwhelmed. That was FEMA's job. Well if I knew my balls were going to get kicked sometime in the future , I sure as hell wouldn't wait for FEMA. That city had plenty of decades to prepare for this storm. I doubt they'll be prepared for the next one too and blame everyone for not helping them quick enough. B.H. |
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David wrote: A rough reconstruction of the flooding based on anecdotal accounts, interviews, and computer modeling, shows that the huge scale of the overlapping floods – one fast, one slow – should have been clear to some officials by mid-afternoon Monday, when city representatives confirmed that the 17th Street canal floodwall had been breached. Snip Look this is a very important event but it does not belong in this news group. This event is over and yet you keep posting one article after another about it. It's time to stop. If you feel the need to continue to post about this then find another news group or find a way to associate it with SW such as the posts about the WWL AMBCB station being rebroadcast by World Harvest Radio as an example. These post just incite the Trolls in the news group. Let the Trolling idiots find their own off topic items to argue about. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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David wrote: On 12 Sep 2005 06:53:44 -0700, "RHF" wrote: DaviD - This I heard this first on NPR. . But you know sometimes DaviD even FOX News Gets It Right ! . Pete Wilson on KGO and your favorite Dr. Bill on KGO are also have been saying the same thing about the misappropriation of Flood Control Funds designated for Levee Reconstruction in and around the City of New Orleans. . Pete Wilson @ Monday - Friday: 2:00 PM - 4:00 PM http://www.kgoam810.com/complexshowdj.asp?DJID=4734 . Dr. Bill Wattenburg @ Saturday - Sunday: 10:00 PM - 1:00 AM http://www.kgoam810.com/complexshowdj.asp?DJID=3552 . DaviD - Dr. Bill says you are wrong, Wrong. WRONG ! . david - by pete or re-pete - you are no dr bill ~ RHF . . . . . You're hallucinating again. I haven't said a word about flood control funds. Why not? You've certainly flapped your bat**** crazy 'tard boy jaws on most everything else. dxAce Michigan USA |
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