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SCOTLAND the BRAVE
Why is This ?
tsyia said Scotland the Brave ? A UNITED Nations report has labelled Scotland the most violent country in the developed world, with people three times more likely to be assaulted than in America. England and Wales recorded the second highest number of violent assaults while Northern Ireland recorded the fewest. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...786945,00.html |
On 23 Sep 2005 00:24:22 -0700, "Keith and Phil at AussieSeek.com
Political Messageboards" wrote: Why is This ? A UNITED Nations report has labelled Scotland the most violent country in the developed world, with people three times more likely to be assaulted than in America. England and Wales recorded the second highest number of violent assaults while Northern Ireland recorded the fewest. It's historical. Great Britain (the big UK island; England, Wales and Scotland but not Ireland) was warred over by various different European tribes for several thousand years before the arrival of the Normans (French) in 1066AD which pacified England (England had been previously pacified by the Romans from around 50-400AD but the Romans withdrew to southern Europe to defend their empire against the Turks and Vandals from around 300AD). The native UK tribes (such as mine, the Britons, and others such as the Celts, Danes or Angles) were pushed back into Wales and Scotland. England is *relatively* flat and easy to push armies across; Wales and Scotland are very, very hilly and difficult to march over. In short, warlike behaviour was beneficial for natives' survival. The whole of the UK also suffers from raging alcoholism and alcohol-fuelled violence which is seen as socially acceptable. Again, this is a throwback to tribal culture where drinking to excess was seen as a strength. From an evolutionary standpoint, high alcohol consumption was advantageous in tribal warfare since it allows the drinker to fight on through pain. This became less of an advantage when warfare switched from tribal raids to organised armies; it's useful to fight drunk when in a tribal raid and hand-to-hand combat, it's not useful to fight drunk when trying to stick in formation, ride horses or fire arrows at a target. It should be noted that the Scots tribes continued to kick the French/English arses well into the 1600s. Hand-to-hand fighting in drunken unpredictable rabbles remained a very successful tactic in hilly areas, until the widespread use of firearms meant that drunken raiders could be picked off from a safe distance. Much the same tribal drink/violence culture was also seen in Scandinavia (Viking) and German countries. All in all, probably a good idea we insist Brits have a background check before getting a firearms licence. As for Northern Ireland, this is something that as a Brit I tend to avoid commenting on, since we've already cocked it up enough. -- Andrew Oakley andrew/atsymbol/aoakley/stop/com Gloucestershire, UK |
Andrew Oakley Wrote:
The whole of the UK also suffers from raging alcoholism and alcohol-fuelled violence which is seen as socially acceptable. Again, this is a throwback to tribal culture where drinking to excess was seen as a strength. I think it's all those beer-battered deep-fried candy bars they eat. Bruce Jensen |
Some corrections... On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:00:06 +0100, Andrew Oakley wrote: previously pacified by the Romans from around 50-400AD but the Romans withdrew to southern Europe to defend their empire against the Turks and Vandals from around 300AD). Sorry, got my tribes confused there. It was the Goths, not the Turks. The Turks were involved in the fall of the Roman Eastern Empire (Byzantium and Constantinople/Istanbul) in the 1400s; it was the Goths who spearheaded the fall of the Roman Western Empire in the late 300s. The native UK tribes (such as mine, the Britons, and others such as the Celts, Danes or Angles) And by "native" I mean "nearer than Rome". The Danes and Angles were relative newcommers when compared to the Britons and Celts. The Angles arrived around 200BC in the form of the Belgae, got knocked into shape when the Romans arrived and popped up again as the Anglo-Saxons in the 400s; the Danes (Vikings/Norse) followed in the late 500s. Whereas us Britons had been there for thousands of years (pretty much since the end of the ice age around 10,000BC), the Celts since about 900-500BC (the Celts probably arrived from Spain). Anything beyond 500BC is a bit difficult to trace, though. Us Britions were still shagging sheep and worshiping the Sun whilst the Egyptians were working out the value of Pi, so it wasn't like we were clever enough to write anything down. -- Andrew Oakley andrew/atsymbol/aoakley/stop/com Gloucestershire, UK |
Which is really the most violent,the u.n.(www.devilfinder.com
Michael New) or the countries the article mentions? www.politicalwire.com/aggregator Blackwater Down.(scroll down for the article) www.chuckbaldwinlive.com (Chuck's Archived Essays,Speeches,and Columns) China Preparing For War and Few Notice. Some people think China is our friend,but they are Very,Very mistaken thinking that.Some people think fed govt is our friend,but they are Very,Very Mistaken thinking that. cuhulin |
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Scotland and Ireland have the Best Reasons in the World to be Extremly Violent. cuhulin |
But,but,but,Andrew,, it is only the crazy American "Cowboys" whom are
crazy and violent,,, now isn't that right? cuhulin |
Now give us a rundown on the Scottish Picts.I already know about that,do
you? cuhulin |
And tell us why Scotland is really Ireland and Ireland is really
Scotland.Yep,I know about that too. cuhulin |
Its the combination of booze and the coppers not cracking down more on
guns Aye, people with guns Ban the Booze or Ban Guns? Angus |
Neither one can be banned here in Mississippi.Even the kids have booze
and guns. cuhulin |
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... You didn't spell Whisky right,it is spelled,Whiskey.And I don't believe you are in Scotland either. cuhulin Scotch whisky Irish whiskey I should know. I work for a Scotch whisky company. :-) |
"Keith and Phil at AussieSeek.com Political Messageboards"
wrote in message oups.com... Why is This ? tsyia said Scotland the Brave ? A UNITED Nations report has labelled Scotland the most violent country in the developed world, with people three times more likely to be assaulted than in America. England and Wales recorded the second highest number of violent assaults while Northern Ireland recorded the fewest. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...786945,00.html I completely agree that Scotland has a serious problem with violence. However, it is not the most dangerous place to be. Most of the assaults reported are amongst gangs; basically people who choose to be in a certain place at a certain time. That is not to say there aren't people who get mugged etc. However, the murder rate is much lower than many other "western" nations. England has more than its share of problems too. Anyway, the UN report was based on a telephone poll conducted over 5 years ago! Not the best indicator of what is happening now, and definately not the "big picture". Scotland is a welcoming place for visitors. Few see problems with violence. Many return to experience the hospitality. I have had many drunken nights out in Glasgow (apparently the worst city) without incident over the last couple of years. |
Keith and Phil at AussieSeek.com Political Messageboards wrote:
Its the combination of booze and the coppers not cracking down more on guns Aye, people with guns Ban the Booze or Ban Guns? Angus Actually the crime rate in GB has skyrocketed since the British people were disarmed and lost the ability to defend themselves. When the citizens are armed crime plummets |
Crime in Australia skyrocketed too when the Citizens (decent Citizens)
over there were disarmed. www.jacksoncrime.org cuhulin |
From: KA6UUP Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 03:50:10 GMT Subject: SCOTLAND the BRAVE Keith and Phil at AussieSeek.com Political Messageboards wrote: Its the combination of booze and the coppers not cracking down more on guns Aye, people with guns Ban the Booze or Ban Guns? Angus Actually the crime rate in GB has skyrocketed since the British people were disarmed and lost the ability to defend themselves. When the citizens are armed crime plummets Good thing we are still armed. You don't see much crime in the U.S. Greg |
There are curfews in some towns over here because of hurricane Katrina
and hurricane Rita.Otherwise,you can go into any towns in U.S.A.at any time of the day and night.There are Pubs here in Jackson too,but they all seem safe enough.I do my beer drinking at home because that is my preference.There are four or five stripclubs in Jackson too and they also sell booze,but I haven't been to any of them yet and I probally wont either,at my age,I am not too interesting in looking at them wimmins stripping,although they are topless clubs only.I prefer to be at home before it gets dark because that has always been my preference. cuhulin |
Scotland must be brave -- anybody that eats haggis* has to be...grin
* haggis = A Scottish dish consisting of a mixture of the minced heart, lungs, and liver of a sheep or calf mixed with suet, onions, oatmeal, and seasonings and boiled in the stomach of the slaughtered animal. Yummy! |
Carter-K8VT wrote: Scotland must be brave -- anybody that eats haggis* has to be...grin Poland is brave as well: Jellied Cow's Foot (Called "nozki" in Polish). Buy a cow's foot in a butcher shop, chop it up and cook for hours & hours in water with spices, garlic, salt, pepper, etc. It is a good idea to evacuate the house during cooking time to avoid the overwhelming smell. Then pour this mess into a large flat pan and refrigerate. It sets to a nice translucent grey jelly with a layer of fat on top. Cut into large cubes and serve with lots of horseradish to kill the taste. Yucky dxAce Michigan USA |
That is the real Haggis.I have been knowing for many years there are
different varieties of Haggis that are made/prpared differently than real Haggis for people with more "delicate" stomachs or for people who want to pretend they are eating real Haggis.I must admit I have never tried any kinds of Haggis begore,but as long as it is prepared properly,I don't see anything at all wrong with it.I would like to try some real Haggis myself.There is an Irish Pub (Fenian's Pub on Fortification Street) in down town Jackson,maybe somebody there knows somebody who cooks up some Haggis once in a while,I better check that out pretty soon. www.devilfinder.com Old Southern Haggis Recepies cuhulin |
What do you think is in some of the sausages that we buy at the
foodstores? Don't go knocking Haggis. cuhulin |
"Carter-K8VT" wrote in message . .. Scotland must be brave -- anybody that eats haggis* has to be...grin Can't be too much worse than lutefisk. Is there any Liquid Plum'r or Drano in haggis?? Jackie |
SCOTLAND the BRAVE
Today at 12:55pm, salttwo wrote:Keith,
I spent a month in Scotland in 2003 as my wife's mother was from that wonderful place. I ignored the rubbish he posted about that land of great people with its wonderful past and its many leaders who have believed in concepts and ideas that have changed our world. At no time did I fear the violence that this man tsiya fears in his own country that he calls the USA. I personally think this tsiya man does not exist as I have never read about such irrational fear of his fellow man. What causes such a man to have such irrational outbursts about his need to turn his home into a fort for freedom and the American way. I can only conclude the many in the USA are very insecure people. It is only just dawning on me why the many members of the USA I meet want to stay here and why many are trying to. Keith I do not know how one can respond to a man who has so much fear for his fellow man. He is the most negative soul I have ever run into. He needs a lot of help to just enjoy the wonders of life and remove his fear of his fellow man. You seem able to read all sorts of things into my posts. I will give you credit for a vivid imagination. I do not live in fear, I am well able to take care of my self. The statistics came from a published survey, I did not make them up. Any time you really want to see the "wonders of life", come on, I'll give you a tour, of my neighborhood. http://photobucket.com/albums/v244/tsiya/ |
SCOTLAND the BRAVE
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:13:54 GMT, Andrew Oakley
wrote: British beer is typically 4% alcohol by volume, compared to American beer at 2-3% ABV. Tell that to the usual 5% beer sitting in my refrigerator. |
SCOTLAND the BRAVE
Old Europe and the U.S.: It's about that time.
www.homelandsecurityus.com Take a look at how Europeans view the United States of America.I AGREE with Gary Schneider.In World War Two,Americans were getting weary of War,they wanted it to end.roosevelt gave Eastern Europe to the Russians (he screwed up big time by doing that,go find a picture of the Yalta Conference) but there was NO way America was going to allow the Russians to have all of Europe!,, namely Western Europe (I know why,do you?) and the lower Countries.General George Patton was Right,we should have gone to WAR with Russia! I still have an old World War Two Ration Card from our old home place in Carthage,Mississippi from back in those years. www.thecarthaginian.com cuhulin |
SCOTLAND the BRAVE
I think there are beers sold in most stores in America with a higher
percentage of alcohol than that.Balmy Bai beer in Vietnam was about three percent alcohol.I drank many a one of them before. Un Coc Tui!,G.I.! cuhulin |
SCOTLAND the BRAVE
In Europe,most people start their little chiluns out on weak
wine.Therefore,they are lushes from almost day one. cuhulin |
SCOTLAND the BRAVE
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http://www.aussieseek.com GRAY GHOST SAID SINCE WE INTRODUCED STRICT gun laws IN scotland violence HAS FALLEN I spent a month in Scotland in 2003 as my wife's mother was from that wonderful place. I ignored the rubbish he posted about that land of great people with its wonderful past and its many leaders who have believed in concepts and ideas that have changed our world. At no time did I fear the GUN violence that this man tsiya fears in his own country that he calls the USA. I personally think this tsiya man does not exist as I have never read about such irrational fear of his fellow man. What causes such a man to have such irrational outbursts about his need to turn his home into a fort for freedom and the American way. I can only conclude the many in the USA are very insecure people. It is only just dawning on me why the many members of the USA I meet want to stay here and why many are trying to. Keith I do not know how one can respond to a man who has so much fear for his fellow man. He is the most negative soul I have ever run into. He needs a lot of help to just enjoy the wonders of life and remove his fear of his fellow man. Unfortuneately for Mr Scotland as Utopia: Jamieson vows to tackle violence The justice minister has repeated her pledge to tackle the "booze and blade culture" after a survey pointed to a high level of violence in Scotland. The UN survey said that people in Scotland were most likely to be the victims of assault. Cathy Jamieson said Scotland remained a safe place and she would continue to try to reduce the crime rate. Responding to criticism of the study, a UN researcher said the findings were likely to be repeated in a new survey. Ms Jamieson told BBC Radio's Good Morning Scotland programme: "I don' t think we want to give a message within Scotland or even beyond Scotland that this a place where it's not safe to walk the streets and that people are routinely being attacked, because that's simply not people's experience. "We do know from recorded crime figures that crimes of violence, apart from those with a sexual element, have dropped. It's highly unlikely that we will find that England, Wales and Scotland are no longer on top in Europe for this particular type of crime Jan Van Dijk Head of analysis "But we also know that in some parts of Scotland there is what's been described as the booze and blade culture where young men in particular are involved in violence that is completely unacceptable." The international study was based on telephone interviews conducted between 1991 and 2000. It suggested that 3% of people in Scotland had suffered an assault, with England and Wales second highest at 2.8%. Fife Chief Constable Peter Wilson, the president of the Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland (Acpos) criticised the report and insisted that the general perception of Scotland was "not one of a violent country". He questioned whether useful comparisons could be drawn between various countries with differing reporting practices, including the US, Poland and Japan. However, Jan Van Dijk, head of analysis at the UN Inter- regional Crime and Justice Research Institute, defended the study and said the findings looked set to be repeated when the results of a new study were published on 14 November. He said: "It's highly unlikely that we will find that England, Wales and Scotland are no longer on top in Europe for this particular type of crime. "It's my experience that the levels of common crime don't change so much in the course of just a few years. "These are fairly stable patterns and it has been obvious for many years that the level of violence, not necessarily homicides but ordinary violence, has been comparatively elevated in the United Kingdom." |
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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 19:14:19 -0400, Tony Meloche
wrote: wrote: On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:13:54 GMT, Andrew Oakley wrote: British beer is typically 4% alcohol by volume, compared to American beer at 2-3% ABV. Tell that to the usual 5% beer sitting in my refrigerator. Yup. The great majority of ordinary American "beers" (if that's what you want to call the alcohol flavored barley water sold as "beer" by the big concerns) weighs in right around 5% alcohol, give-or-take. "Three Two beer" (3.2% alcohol) was commonly known as "near beer". A wise man once observed that whoever naemd it "near beer" was a damned poor judge of distance. A draft of Guiness Stout has a lower absolute alcohol percentage than a can of Budweiser. Most foreign beers are 5% alcohol or higher - sometimes much higher - and a few are lower than that, like the above-mentioned Guinness. But you'll look awhile to find a name-brand American beer as *low* as 4% ABV. Tony (Samuel Adams drinker) ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- My favorite beer joke, heard from an aussie is; Q. Why do Americans like their beer ice cold? A. So they can tell it from ****. |
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